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Please do not remove the red-links there porpuse is for the creation of those pages since Characters of Naruto page is to large --Croatnik December,18,2005

On a minor note, wouldn't this info box be better placed at the very bottom of the page, rather than at the top of the See Also section? --Pentasyllabic 00:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-12-21T00:12:00.000Z","author":"Pentasyllabic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pentasyllabic-2005-12-21T00:12:00.000Z-Something_2","replies":[]}}-->

would it be better to sort characters by country/village instead of by ally/enemy status? --Pentasyllabic 22:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-12-19T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Pentasyllabic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pentasyllabic-2005-12-19T22:25:00.000Z-categories","replies":["c-JadziaLover-2005-12-19T22:58:00.000Z-Pentasyllabic-2005-12-19T22:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

I agree, country/village seems better then ally/enemy. I also don't think the ranks (Jōnin, Chūnin, Genin, Anbu) should be among the characters. Nor do I think there should be articles for 'Lesser enemies' and 'Chūnin examinees.'

On a side-note, should all main/secondary characters be in here, or should only the ones with their own pages be mentioned?--JadziaLover 22:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-12-19T22:58:00.000Z","author":"JadziaLover","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JadziaLover-2005-12-19T22:58:00.000Z-Pentasyllabic-2005-12-19T22:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Itachi needs to have his own page, not just be part of the akatsuki page, and You should have every person you can think of on the website no matter how little importance they have. BIYAA

That's something for a specialized wiki, not this one. Only characters that have the info for a page need one. Nemu 01:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-01T01:40:00.000Z","author":"TTN","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TTN-2006-12-01T01:40:00.000Z-categories","replies":[],"displayName":"Nemu"}}-->

I think that linking to Genin, Chuunin and Jounin is unnecessary, since there is a link to the Ninja Ranks page. The Ninja rank page is not nearly as long as the Technique page (for which is makes sense to have links to the seperate parts of it). Also, why are there links to seperate articles for each rank? As it stands, there is not enough material on the Ninja Rank page to justify having seperate articles. Comments? ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 23:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-12-20T23:33:00.000Z","author":"Mdd4696","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mdd4696-2005-12-20T23:33:00.000Z-Ninja_Ranks","replies":["c-Pentasyllabic-2005-12-21T00:06:00.000Z-Mdd4696-2005-12-20T23:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think Croatnik is planning to migrate the Konoha ninja by rank, as he's done with (Konoha) Jonin, they're not supposed to be articles on the actual ranks. --Pentasyllabic 00:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-12-21T00:06:00.000Z","author":"Pentasyllabic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pentasyllabic-2005-12-21T00:06:00.000Z-Mdd4696-2005-12-20T23:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mdd4696-2005-12-21T02:48:00.000Z-Pentasyllabic-2005-12-21T00:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, that makes a lot more sense. ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-12-21T02:48:00.000Z","author":"Mdd4696","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mdd4696-2005-12-21T02:48:00.000Z-Pentasyllabic-2005-12-21T00:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I think that there should be a special section (possibly under the techniques) that talks about the hand signs used. It is an important topic to Naruto seeing as the jutsus can't be performed with out them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.234.159 (talk)

First, what does this have to do with Ninja Ranks? Second, walk up to some random average person on the street and ask, "What's the hand sign for the horse?" 101% of the time they won't know what you're talking about, and thus the phrase "horse hand sign" has no meaning to random average people. Next, walk up to some random Naruto viewer/reader and ask the same question. 99.999% of the time you will get the same reaction, and thus it has no meaning to the type of person that would know. Are my percentages off? Maybe, but most people will find no value in knowing the hand signs of some Naruto jutsu. ~SnapperTo 05:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T05:14:00.000Z","author":"Snapper2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Snapper2-2006-11-07T05:14:00.000Z-Ninja_Ranks","replies":[],"displayName":"Snapper"}}-->

Though sorting by country affiliation does make sense, I think it rather problematically collides with how the average viewer would intuitively categorise the members of the roster. Team 7 is obviously supposed to be one unit, even if Sasuke happens to currently be in Otogakure. Similarly the rest of the rookie 9 and team Gai are also one unit, as the anime team constantly cares to remind us ("Discord Satellite" opening and "Ima Made Nando Mo" ending come to mind). So I changed the template to reflect the way I think people intuitively perceive the cast, which should be conductive to navigation (the template's purpose). --AceMyth 01:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-12-25T01:21:00.000Z","author":"AceMyth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AceMyth-2005-12-25T01:21:00.000Z-Categorisation_Change","replies":[]}}-->

How is he any less important than Zabuza, Haku, Tenten and the other couple of unimportant characters? Nemu 20:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-09-19T20:18:00.000Z","author":"TTN","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TTN-2006-09-19T20:18:00.000Z-Sasori","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-09-20T02:46:00.000Z-TTN-2006-09-19T20:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nemu"}}-->

Sasori is not important by himself, but rather for the information he gives. I would consider Deidara far more important if we're going to be including individual members of Akatsuki. Sasori only existed as a clue to Sasuke's whereabouts. He does little on his own. Deidara, on the other hand, manages to defeat Gaara, fights Kakashi and Naruto, and is still alive to tell the tale. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-09-20T02:46:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-09-20T02:46:00.000Z-TTN-2006-09-19T20:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tjstrf-2006-09-21T17:23:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-09-20T02:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

And yet Zabuza stays? --tjstrf 17:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-09-21T17:23:00.000Z","author":"Tjstrf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tjstrf-2006-09-21T17:23:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-09-20T02:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-09-21T17:30:00.000Z-Tjstrf-2006-09-21T17:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

He's the first real villian, something of a milestone to be sure. He fought the whole of Team 7 over a protracted period, not a single battle. Additionally, he's included with Haku, who's the subject of a ridiculous number of flashbacks (they really need to drop it). I disagree with including Sasori on his own because his appearance is insubstantial at best, and half of his duo remains alive. It also makes it seem as if his motives are somehow separate from Akatsuki, when they weren't. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 17:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-09-21T17:30:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-09-21T17:30:00.000Z-Tjstrf-2006-09-21T17:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tjstrf-2006-09-29T03:26:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-09-21T17:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Really, what we need to do is write the article on Itachi, (possibly Hidan as well in a couple weeks), make Akatsuki a sub-category of villians, and list them both there. --tjstrf 03:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-09-29T03:26:00.000Z","author":"Tjstrf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tjstrf-2006-09-29T03:26:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-09-21T17:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-10-03T02:41:00.000Z-Tjstrf-2006-09-29T03:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

I won't remove him for now, but I don't see his notability beyond his organization. I still think we should lump them so this doesn't result in too much in one section. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-03T02:41:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-10-03T02:41:00.000Z-Tjstrf-2006-09-29T03:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Geg-2006-10-03T18:19:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-10-03T02:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Bleh, but I will. Having Sasori by himself on the template makes it seem as if he's the most important member of Akatsuki or something. The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-03T18:19:00.000Z","author":"Geg","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Geg-2006-10-03T18:19:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-10-03T02:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tjstrf-2006-10-03T18:26:00.000Z-Geg-2006-10-03T18:19:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The Splendiferous Gegiford"}}-->

If it made you feel better, we could redlink the others for you. Not sure that would really help though. --tjstrf 18:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-03T18:26:00.000Z","author":"Tjstrf","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Tjstrf-2006-10-03T18:26:00.000Z-Geg-2006-10-03T18:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I decided to add Masashi Kishimoto to the header, for general purposes. - Malomeat 04:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-01T04:43:00.000Z","author":"Malomeat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malomeat-2006-10-01T04:43:00.000Z-Author's_name","replies":[]}}-->

Isn't this box a bit tall and skinny? On lower resolution screens I fear what it would look like with a width of 50 percent. Does the width need to be their to function properly or can it be let to autofit the table to the page width as it fits the screen? Just checked, it does look REALLY bad at 800x600. shadzar|Talk|contribs 23:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-05T23:23:00.000Z","author":"Shadzar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shadzar-2006-10-05T23:23:00.000Z-skinny","replies":["c-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:29:00.000Z-Shadzar-2006-10-05T23:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

I agree. It should be widened, like Template:JJBA. - Malomeat 23:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-05T23:29:00.000Z","author":"Malomeat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:29:00.000Z-Shadzar-2006-10-05T23:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-10-05T23:30:00.000Z-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:29:00.000Z","c-Shadzar-2006-10-05T23:32:00.000Z-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:29:00.000Z","c-Shadzar-2006-10-06T00:15:00.000Z-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's skinny because the fileds are disproportionate. it creates excess whitespace if it gets much larger. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-05T23:30:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-10-05T23:30:00.000Z-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

It already has excess whitespace on its sides from its height. Or do you mean whitespace within the box itself? shadzar|Talk|contribs 23:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-05T23:32:00.000Z","author":"Shadzar","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Shadzar-2006-10-05T23:32:00.000Z-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-10-05T23:40:00.000Z-Shadzar-2006-10-05T23:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Within the box itself. Here's an example with no width delimiter.

This is why it's only at fifty percent. It evens out the fields. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-05T23:40:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-10-05T23:40:00.000Z-Shadzar-2006-10-05T23:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:49:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-10-05T23:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

We can center it, like Template:Dragon Ball games - Malomeat 23:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-05T23:49:00.000Z","author":"Malomeat","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:49:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-10-05T23:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-10-05T23:54:00.000Z-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Eh, I don't know. I'd like other views before reworking this template into that style. I like the segmented sectioning instead of too much html formatting. Plus, most people don't pay attention to how wide the boxes are unless they get really small. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-05T23:54:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-10-05T23:54:00.000Z-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

How about removing the surnames and the duplicate Land of's. Does it even need the adults anyway since they are listed in sections like Jonin. And the Clans are only two mentioned in detail over MANY mentioned in the series.

Something like this. shadzar|Talk|contribs 00:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-06T00:15:00.000Z","author":"Shadzar","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Shadzar-2006-10-06T00:15:00.000Z-Malomeat-2006-10-05T23:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Snapper2-2006-10-06T00:27:00.000Z-Shadzar-2006-10-06T00:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

To not list the "Adults" because they're listed under Konoha Jonin doesn't really work as most of the "Supporting" characters are listed under Konoha Chunin. If the adult section is getting long, Asuma, Kurenai, and Guy could all be listed with their students in order to shorten the section. I'd also argue that some of the other adults probably don't need their own article, but that discussion is for another day. ~SnapperTo 00:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-06T00:27:00.000Z","author":"Snapper2","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Snapper2-2006-10-06T00:27:00.000Z-Shadzar-2006-10-06T00:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Snapper"}}-->

What we need to do is divide that box in half, put the characters into their own info template, and only use the relevant one on each page. That would remove half the box on 90% of the pages, since the OVA lists and main article wouldn't have to contain a templated link to Neji, for instance, and Neji wouldn't have to have a link to Land of Water in his info template. --tjstrf 00:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-06T00:56:00.000Z","author":"Tjstrf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tjstrf-2006-10-06T00:56:00.000Z-skinny","replies":[]}}-->

I made this stretched uot version, but the whitespace still irks me. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-06T01:49:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-10-06T01:49:00.000Z-skinny","replies":[]}}-->

I have included an "other" category in the box. Those in the "other" category are enemy's that have done favors and help that have prooved invaluable to hero characters. If there are any objections, please say so below. -Count Mall

I think it would be a good idea to move Sasuke from the "Main Characters" section to the "Enemies" section. He's no longer a main character as much as he is a villain, especially in contrast with all the other characters in that section. Anyone agree? Treima 04:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T04:22:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Treima-2006-11-07T04:22:00.000Z-Sasuke_to_enemies?","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T04:25:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-07T04:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

We have to remember the poor American viewers. They won't know that. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T04:25:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T04:25:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-07T04:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Treima-2006-11-07T04:28:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T04:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

I thought it was preferred if we treated the series in its most up-to-date form, not as VIZ and Toonami care to release it. I mean, we have Akatsuki, Tsunade, and Shizune up there, and they are not in the English series yet either. Treima 04:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T04:28:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Treima-2006-11-07T04:28:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T04:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T04:43:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-07T04:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

True, but they're also in Part 1, if not quite up to the English point yet. Better not to confuse a potential reader. Someone looking for Sasuke will more tha likely check the main characters. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T04:43:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T04:43:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-07T04:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Treima-2006-11-07T05:01:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T04:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Technically Sasuke defected and made himself an enemy in part 1, but I agree with you on your last statement. The average user might have a little trouble, but the template isn't so large and unwieldy that one couldn't merely scan over it and find Sasuke's name alongside Orochimaru and Kabuto. Treima 05:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T05:01:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Treima-2006-11-07T05:01:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T04:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T05:04:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-07T05:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hm... true, but I'm still unsure. They are activitely trying to retrieve him and do still consider him a friend. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T05:04:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T05:04:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-07T05:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Treima-2006-11-08T01:20:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T05:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

And he is just as actively trying to harm them or at the least drive them away. Compared to the others on that list he's the one that belongs the least, really (Sai is second, I'll bring that up another day). What matters is, right now, he is more of an antagonist than a main character, and would fit better with his Sound "friends" down in the enemies section. One could argue that right now he is the primary antagonist. Although certainly not the obvious threat, he is the one guy driving the story and wishing to actively do harm to the protagonists. Treima 01:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T01:20:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Treima-2006-11-08T01:20:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-07T05:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-11-08T01:26:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T01:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Very well. He's moved. We'll see if anyone objects. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T01:26:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-11-08T01:26:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T01:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

At the least, I'm sure someone will comment about it.

To those with objections to the move: I'm not trying to provoke an edit war, I am simply doing my job and improving the template by keeping it up-to-date. I am not a Sasuke hater nor do I believe that this change is an attempt to impose my POV over the encyclopedia. If you don't like the change, discuss it, don't just revert it without thinking. Treima 01:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T01:34:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Treima-2006-11-08T01:34:00.000Z-Sasuke_to_enemies?","replies":["c-TTN-2006-11-08T01:40:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T01:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Why move him? He may be an enemy, but he's still a main character. I would just say leave him in the place he belongs in most, which is definitely a main character position. Nemu 01:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T01:40:00.000Z","author":"TTN","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TTN-2006-11-08T01:40:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T01:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Treima-2006-11-08T01:47:00.000Z-TTN-2006-11-08T01:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nemu"}}-->

He's a main character, but compared to the others in that list (Kakashi, Sai, Naruto and Sakura) he's the odd man out because, as I said before, he is actively attempting to drive away and (in Naruto's case) kill the others. He is currently allied with the most malevolent character in the series and is in opposition to the heroes. That's why I requested a move. Treima 01:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T01:47:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Treima-2006-11-08T01:47:00.000Z-TTN-2006-11-08T01:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-TTN-2006-11-08T01:49:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T01:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Just because he's acting in his own interests, doesn't make him any less of a main character. I would say being a main character should come before being a villain. Nemu 01:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T01:49:00.000Z","author":"TTN","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TTN-2006-11-08T01:49:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T01:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Treima-2006-11-08T01:56:00.000Z-TTN-2006-11-08T01:49:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nemu"}}-->

There are a number of characters acting in their own interests, though, most notably Orochimaru who also plays an integral role in the series. I don't see him being included in the main characters' section, because he is an enemy. Since Sasuke has:

• sought out Orochimaru for training
• converted to Orochimaru's mindset
• fought at Orochimaru's side against the protagonists listed in that section, and
• is no longer being portrayed in any sort of positive light by Kishimoto,

I believe he is a better fit for the enemies section. Treima 01:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T01:56:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Treima-2006-11-08T01:56:00.000Z-TTN-2006-11-08T01:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-11-08T01:59:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T01:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

But he's still a main character in the series at large, enemy or not. Orochimaru, not so much, since he's usually mentioned in passing. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T01:59:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-11-08T01:59:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T01:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-TTN-2006-11-08T02:01:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-08T01:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Even if Orochimaru wasn't a villain, he wouldn't be a main character. He has a large role, but it's no where near the main characters. Sasuke is one of the four main characters(I really have no idea why Sai is listed there). That should supersede being evil. And one can be evil, but still a main character, so I don't see why he needs to be there just because he's evil. Nemu 02:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T02:01:00.000Z","author":"TTN","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-TTN-2006-11-08T02:01:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-08T01:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Treima-2006-11-08T02:17:00.000Z-TTN-2006-11-08T02:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nemu"}}-->

...You win. Put it back the way it was if you want. It looks kinda empty, and I prefer it the way it is now, but Sasuke is a main character, not just an antagonist. Treima 02:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T02:17:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Treima-2006-11-08T02:17:00.000Z-TTN-2006-11-08T02:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Power_level_(Dragon_Ball)-2006-11-08T02:48:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T02:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Put him back in the main character's list because he still appears in the manga after 2.5 years. Power level (Dragon Ball) 02:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T02:48:00.000Z","author":"Power level (Dragon Ball)","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Power_level_(Dragon_Ball)-2006-11-08T02:48:00.000Z-Treima-2006-11-08T02:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Xeago-2006-12-05T02:58:00.000Z-Power_level_(Dragon_Ball)-2006-11-08T02:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

I wouldn't say that Sasuke is a main character right now. He is the main focus right now, as he is the driving force in Naruto's ambition, but he does not appear on a regular enough basis to be clasified as a main character. He's part of the story, but since the failure of the last attempt to "rescue" him, Shikamaru has been more of a "main character" than Sasuke is. The current focus is the Akatsuki and the encounters with Hidan and Kakuzu, Sasuke isn't part of that. And, it's doubtful that he will be in anything any time soon. Sasuke should be considered an enemy, until the point that he returns to Konoha. However, it should be stated explicitly some where that it is his relationship with Naruto that drives N to reach higher limits, and that his unwaivering dedication to his retrieval is what fules N's passion now. His focus is no longer to become Hokage (while I am certain that that is still a huge part, right now its on the back burner), it is now to save Sasuke from the influnces of Orochimaru. Xeago 02:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-05T02:58:00.000Z","author":"Xeago","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Xeago-2006-12-05T02:58:00.000Z-Power_level_(Dragon_Ball)-2006-11-08T02:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Given the recent happenings, would it be right to place him there temporarily? - Malomeat 05:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-17T05:20:00.000Z","author":"Malomeat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malomeat-2006-11-17T05:20:00.000Z-Kakashi_to_team_Asuma?","replies":[]}}-->

Well since it's temporary i see no need to do it. - Effinnewguy

? --TheYmode 09:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-17T09:48:00.000Z","author":"TheYmode","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheYmode-2006-11-17T09:48:00.000Z-Team_Guy_=_Team_9???","replies":[]}}-->

I agree, team Guy is 1 year ahead of the rest of the crew. I never knew they had a number it was never acknowledged in the manga/anime. If there's a source the it be known.

What's with the empty Chakra articles.Sam ov the blue sand 04:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:09:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:09:00.000Z-Chakra","replies":["c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:22:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

What's with the empty Chakra articles - they were put up to A. incurage information to be added and B. to serve as the template for the creation of new pages with information that was being added. someguy0830 removed them....instead of adding information.photodude 04:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:22:00.000Z","author":"Photodude","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:22:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:29:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

I believe they should be added though but under one article not four it would be some useful info. And don't worry you're not the only one who has a problem with Someguy.Sam ov the blue sand 04:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:29:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:29:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-TTN-2006-11-26T04:37:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:29:00.000Z","c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:32:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

There is no need for a separate article on it. It's fine being mentioned in others. Also, don't just copy and paste info from a site. That's plagiarism. Nemu 04:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:37:00.000Z","author":"TTN","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TTN-2006-11-26T04:37:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:35:00.000Z-TTN-2006-11-26T04:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nemu"}}-->

I disagree with you based on the shear volume of information on chakra in the naruto world, and how importaint it is to jutsu's. what you suggest is like saying there is no need for a seperate article on each type of jutsu. photodude 04:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:35:00.000Z","author":"Photodude","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:35:00.000Z-TTN-2006-11-26T04:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I will try to get a chakra guide up (I've been working on one for 3 year as part of a NarutoRPG WOD type game) that is if someone doesn't delete the information and links before I can post it. I agree 4 articles might be a bit much (but there is a lot of info on Chakra in naruto almost as much as there is on jutsu's) I wouldn't have tried for 4 articles if I knew how to link to sections of an article. I'm not well versed in writing whole articles for wiki.photodude 04:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:32:00.000Z","author":"Photodude","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:32:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:44:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

What if I was to help make it I wouldn't copy and paste anything. I know how to (see X-49 Night Raven for example). Please.Sam ov the blue sand 04:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:44:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:44:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:45:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'll even supply Sam ov the blue sand with all the info and images I have. that is if Sam ov the blue sand wants them photodude 04:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:45:00.000Z","author":"Photodude","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:45:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:54:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Of course I'll help and just call me Sam it's better than typing Sam ov the blue sand everyone else does.Sam ov the blue sand 04:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:54:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:54:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:58:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

ok Sam how should I send u the information. I can set up a FTP site or a http access page or email MSNim it to you photodude 04:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T04:58:00.000Z","author":"Photodude","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:58:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T04:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:09:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Can you put it on my userpage?Sam ov the blue sand 05:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T05:09:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:09:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T04:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Photodude-2006-11-26T05:27:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

done and posted to your user page photoguy 05:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T05:27:00.000Z","author":"Photodude","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Photodude-2006-11-26T05:27:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:40:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T05:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"photoguy"}}-->

The Controlling.doc chakra2 doesn't come up why? try posting it again.Sam ov the blue sand 05:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T05:40:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:40:00.000Z-Photodude-2006-11-26T05:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Photodude-2006-11-26T05:53:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nameing error. the link should be fixed now photoguy 05:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T05:53:00.000Z","author":"Photodude","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Photodude-2006-11-26T05:53:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"photoguy"}}-->

Sorry to say but this too much info and we can't use all of it we will have to cut some (alot) of it down. Where do you get all of this stuff?Sam ov the blue sand 05:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T05:57:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:57:00.000Z-Chakra","replies":["c-Photodude-2006-11-26T06:05:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've copied or wrote all of it since about 3 months after I started watching Naruto and started adding more when I started reading the manga. that was over 3 years ago. I had intended to produce a RPG game based on WOD rules so I have been anal about gathering data on all aspects of naruto. Cut what has to be cut to make an article (this is why i started making 4 or 5 articles) I'll put in what I can tonight; until I end my night and take care of my 6 stiches (read my blog for details and pictures) photoguy 06:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-26T06:05:00.000Z","author":"Photodude","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Photodude-2006-11-26T06:05:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-26T05:57:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"photoguy"}}-->

Look I'm going to delete the Rookie Nine article I've asked about on the talk page and no answer. Objections anyone (I'm working on my spelling, yah).Sam ov the blue sand 00:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-28T00:22:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-28T00:22:00.000Z-Rookie_Nine","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-11-28T00:28:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-28T00:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

You're not an admin. You can't delete anything. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-28T00:28:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-11-28T00:28:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-28T00:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-28T00:33:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-28T00:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

I didn't mean delete I meant get rid of it off of the template. And I know I'm not an admin and I will never be one.Sam ov the blue sand 00:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-28T00:33:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-28T00:33:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-11-28T00:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Snapper2-2006-11-28T04:53:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-28T00:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

Until the article itself is deleted, there's no reason for it to be removed from the template. ~SnapperTo 04:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-28T04:53:00.000Z","author":"Snapper2","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Snapper2-2006-11-28T04:53:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-28T00:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-28T22:54:00.000Z-Snapper2-2006-11-28T04:53:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Snapper"}}-->

I agree I'm sorry but I'm a new person for the better, I swear.Sam ov the blue sand 22:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-28T22:54:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-11-28T22:54:00.000Z-Snapper2-2006-11-28T04:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I think since this is the English wiki show titles should be in English

Yes I agree all the jutsu names are English so why not NHC?Sam ov the blue sand 23:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-04T23:16:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-12-04T23:16:00.000Z-Naruto:_Shipp\u016bden_or_Hurricane_Chronicles?","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-12-05T01:09:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-12-04T23:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wait never mind just looked at the Naruto Shippūden talk page wow talk about Talk Page War 1!!! Man that's alot of posts!Sam ov the blue sand 01:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-05T01:09:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-12-05T01:09:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2006-12-04T23:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I've moved some of the Stuff in the characters section of the box, just to make it flow better. But, I've also moved Sasuke back to Enemies, as per the discussion a couple itmes up. I think the box needs more work, but it might require some heavier editting than I am used to. Any ideas? Xeago 00:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T00:53:00.000Z","author":"Xeago","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Xeago-2006-12-14T00:53:00.000Z-Moves--","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T00:58:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-14T00:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

The discussion went in favor of him being main. Student of Orochimaru, avenger, whatever; he has enough importance in the storyline to supercede him being a villian. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T00:58:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T00:58:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-14T00:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:02:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T00:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

He is a secondary character now. Still important, but not part of the main story. The only ones who continue to be in the main plot are Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura. He should be included with the Orochimaru and Kabuto, thats where his aligence lies. Xeago 01:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T01:02:00.000Z","author":"Xeago","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:02:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T00:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-TTN-2006-12-14T01:05:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

He's still a very main focus. Just because he's not directly in the story due to the plot, it doesn't destroy his status. Even if it did, he served enough of a role in the first part to stat. Nemu 01:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T01:05:00.000Z","author":"TTN","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TTN-2006-12-14T01:05:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:07:00.000Z-TTN-2006-12-14T01:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nemu"}}-->

I just thought of something. Perhaps "Main" is not the proper classification of these characters. Perhaps we should consider them Initial characters, as each has contributes to the "main plot", but are not consistently reoccuring. I will move Sauske back, and rename the section, as I find it more suitable and appropriat. Xeago 01:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T01:07:00.000Z","author":"Xeago","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:07:00.000Z-TTN-2006-12-14T01:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T01:13:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, they're main characters. They do not lose focus over the course of the series. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T01:13:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T01:13:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:26:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T01:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

SomeGuy, You're mistaken. The focus of the manga moves with Naruto with the random chapter not including him in favour of rmajor action. This happens mostly with big battles like the current Kakuzu/Hidan vs Konohanin and, the Sasori vs. Sakura confrontation. If you are looking for the main characters, it is simply Naruto. No more, no less. Each other character is there for him. We have not seen Sasuke in twenty chapters. Thats twenty weeks. 5 months.

Yes, Sasuke is the focus of the character Naruto, and he is the major force driving the plot. But in abstentia. He's not here to participate, he won't be seen in at least another half dozen chapters, he's not a main character any more. We know I want him in the villians, but seems most of you would rathe have hell freeze over than tag him as such. Thus, the compromise. Xeago 01:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T01:26:00.000Z","author":"Xeago","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:26:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T01:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T01:37:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

We perfectly acknowledge that he is a villian. What you fail to understand is the purpose of the infobox. The purpose of the infobox is to arrange information in such a manner as to make it easily locatable by any regular viewer of the show. Consider the fact that the American dub has yet to get past the Chunin exam, so your casual viewer will not know Sasuke's an enemy. Technically, they won't know have of the information in the box, but that's a moot point. The focus characters are the original Team 7, and they remain as the focus because that is what they will be recognized as. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T01:37:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T01:37:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-14T01:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Treima-2006-12-14T02:27:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T01:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

So does this mean that, once the American dub gets to Sasuke's defection, we can throw him under Enemies finally? Treima 02:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T02:27:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Treima-2006-12-14T02:27:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T01:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T02:30:00.000Z-Treima-2006-12-14T02:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

In a word, yes. Wait, that's four words. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T02:30:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T02:30:00.000Z-Treima-2006-12-14T02:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Xeago-2006-12-16T03:54:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T02:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Where are the American dubs now? Xeago 03:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-16T03:54:00.000Z","author":"Xeago","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Xeago-2006-12-16T03:54:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2006-12-14T02:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2006-12-16T03:57:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-16T03:54:00.000Z","c-Leader_of_Darkness-2006-12-19T12:43:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-16T03:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

68? Something like that. I'm lazy and don't want to look up the number. Suffice it to say that it will be quite some time. 77 weeks, give or take some from breaks and doubled episodes. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-16T03:57:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2006-12-16T03:57:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-16T03:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Actually its going to be at 67 this Saturday and it would be more like 68 weeks until it reaches the end of their fight and his band cracks.Leader of Darkness 12:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-19T12:43:00.000Z","author":"Leader of Darkness","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Leader_of_Darkness-2006-12-19T12:43:00.000Z-Xeago-2006-12-16T03:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I believe someone should remove Baki from the supporting character list and just list Gaara, Kankurou, and Temari simply as the "Sand Siblings" instead of the team. The team also could've been just for that mission they had of infiltration anyways. I would change it myself but I would like everyone's opinions and also it seems too complicated for me to remove it (I'm not a good editor).

Its quite simple acually, but I won't tell you because it does belong there becuase it is a team just like Team 7,8,9, and Guy.Sam ov the blue sand 01:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T01:13:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-03T01:13:00.000Z-Baki","replies":["c-TheYmode-2007-01-03T10:41:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-03T01:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

I agree, they are a team for a large proportion of the time in part one and as such should stay. TheYmode 10:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T10:41:00.000Z","author":"TheYmode","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheYmode-2007-01-03T10:41:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-03T01:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheYmode-2007-01-08T13:02:00.000Z-TheYmode-2007-01-03T10:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

I know they are a team, it's just that I don't see Baki as a supporting character at all.

Why on earth not? Kurenai and Asuma doesn't appear much either and they do? --TheYmode 13:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-08T13:02:00.000Z","author":"TheYmode","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TheYmode-2007-01-08T13:02:00.000Z-TheYmode-2007-01-03T10:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheYmode-2007-01-09T15:39:00.000Z-TheYmode-2007-01-08T13:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

For one it's because he's more than likely not going to make a big impact in Part II and he hardly made one in Part 1.

He made more impact in part one then Kurenai and already appare in part two. I don't have my crystal ball so I can't predict the future, can you lend me yours? TheYmode 15:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-09T15:39:00.000Z","author":"TheYmode","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-TheYmode-2007-01-09T15:39:00.000Z-TheYmode-2007-01-08T13:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-68.154.207.209-2007-01-09T22:51:00.000Z-TheYmode-2007-01-09T15:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, if he's such an important character why don't you go ahead and make a main article for him?And then after that remove Kurenai's. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.154.207.209 (talk) 22:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-09T22:51:00.000Z","author":"68.154.207.209","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-68.154.207.209-2007-01-09T22:51:00.000Z-TheYmode-2007-01-09T15:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-18T23:11:00.000Z-68.154.207.209-2007-01-09T22:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

Don't get smart, nobody likes that.Sam ov the blue sand 23:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-18T23:11:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-18T23:11:00.000Z-68.154.207.209-2007-01-09T22:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-68.17.225.83-2007-01-19T23:15:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-18T23:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

He's apparently saying Baki is important, so he must need a main article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.17.225.83 (talk) 23:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-19T23:15:00.000Z","author":"68.17.225.83","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-68.17.225.83-2007-01-19T23:15:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-18T23:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-22T23:07:00.000Z-68.17.225.83-2007-01-19T23:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

No he's not he's saying that he shouldn't be removed because he is a team leader.Sam ov the blue sand 23:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-22T23:07:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-22T23:07:00.000Z-68.17.225.83-2007-01-19T23:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-68.17.225.83-2007-01-27T16:41:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-22T23:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, he was a team leader and my point earlier is that he doesn't seem to be much of a supporting character. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.17.225.83 (talk) 16:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-27T16:41:00.000Z","author":"68.17.225.83","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-68.17.225.83-2007-01-27T16:41:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-01-22T23:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

What is going on?The template's been put into two seperate parts!I think it should be put back the way it was! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shonen Jump Master (talk • contribs) 03:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-30T03:08:00.000Z","author":"Shonen Jump Master","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shonen_Jump_Master-2007-01-30T03:08:00.000Z-What_happened?","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2007-01-30T03:13:00.000Z-Shonen_Jump_Master-2007-01-30T03:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Deed's done. This is easier. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-30T03:13:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2007-01-30T03:13:00.000Z-Shonen_Jump_Master-2007-01-30T03:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Smertios-2007-01-31T16:33:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2007-01-30T03:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, I also am one who thinks the old version was better. It could be good, but it was more complete and easier to understand.Smertios 16:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-31T16:33:00.000Z","author":"Smertios","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Smertios-2007-01-31T16:33:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2007-01-30T03:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Shonen_Jump_Master-2007-01-31T21:50:00.000Z-Smertios-2007-01-31T16:33:00.000Z","c-Snapper2-2007-01-31T22:34:00.000Z-Smertios-2007-01-31T16:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

I agree.Shonen Jump Master 21:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-31T21:50:00.000Z","author":"Shonen Jump Master","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Shonen_Jump_Master-2007-01-31T21:50:00.000Z-Smertios-2007-01-31T16:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

And what exactly makes the current version more difficult to understand? ~SnapperTo 22:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-31T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Snapper2","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Snapper2-2007-01-31T22:34:00.000Z-Smertios-2007-01-31T16:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-207.236.93.210-2007-01-31T22:43:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-01-31T22:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Snapper"}}-->

It's not more difficult to understand, but more difficult to navigate. Before, one could go right to where they wanted to go, be it the Akatsuki, or the Summons, or what have you. Now its all like, bleh, where the hell do I want to go? [email protected] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.236.93.210 (talk) 22:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-31T22:43:00.000Z","author":"207.236.93.210","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-207.236.93.210-2007-01-31T22:43:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-01-31T22:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Snapper2-2007-01-31T22:53:00.000Z-207.236.93.210-2007-01-31T22:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

The only real difference is that the characters aren't all included, so there's an extra step involved when looking for a specific character. While I realize it's an inconvenience, the template is now only half the size it once was, which seems like an acceptable compromise. ~SnapperTo 22:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-31T22:53:00.000Z","author":"Snapper2","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Snapper2-2007-01-31T22:53:00.000Z-207.236.93.210-2007-01-31T22:43:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Snapper"}}-->

For what it's worth, I, too, prefer the previous template. It was more helpful. What, if I may ask, was the purpose of cutting it? Just to make the infobox shorter? -- Byakuren 23:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-01T23:11:00.000Z","author":"Byakuren","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Byakuren-2007-02-01T23:11:00.000Z-What_happened?","replies":["c-Snapper2-2007-02-02T00:04:00.000Z-Byakuren-2007-02-01T23:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Basically. ~SnapperTo 00:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Snapper2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Snapper2-2007-02-02T00:04:00.000Z-Byakuren-2007-02-01T23:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2007-02-02T00:07:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-02-02T00:04:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Snapper"}}-->

It's better to have shorter templates. They become eyesores when they're larger. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T00:07:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2007-02-02T00:07:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-02-02T00:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Malomeat-2007-02-02T00:17:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2007-02-02T00:07:00.000Z","c-ScotchMB-2007-02-02T02:09:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2007-02-02T00:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

What about giving it a [show] button? - !Malomeat 00:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T00:17:00.000Z","author":"Malomeat","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Malomeat-2007-02-02T00:17:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2007-02-02T00:07:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"!Malomeat"}}-->

True, having the show button will allow people to see all the content when they want too. I really think the old template should be restored and the show button should be added. It is like a compromise. -ScotchMB 02:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T02:09:00.000Z","author":"ScotchMB","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ScotchMB-2007-02-02T02:09:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2007-02-02T00:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:18:00.000Z-ScotchMB-2007-02-02T02:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

There's a link to "List of Naruto characters" in the template as it is; what is so hard about one more click? Additionally, with a cast as large as Naruto's, it would make sense to have one template about the series in general, and another for the characters in the series. Bleach does this as well, as well as a number video game series' entries (see Street Fighter (series) for an example). NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 02:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T02:18:00.000Z","author":"NeoChaosX","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:18:00.000Z-ScotchMB-2007-02-02T02:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Treima-2007-02-02T02:20:00.000Z-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:18:00.000Z","c-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:21:00.000Z-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

But the List of Characters in Naruto page has THIS template on it, not the characters' one. Treima 02:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T02:20:00.000Z","author":"Treima","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Treima-2007-02-02T02:20:00.000Z-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Then we can just add the characters template along with it. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 02:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T02:21:00.000Z","author":"NeoChaosX","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:21:00.000Z-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:25:00.000Z-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:21:00.000Z","c-Snapper2-2007-02-02T03:54:00.000Z-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, and for those who suggested the show/hide feature: it doesn't work in all browsers according to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games/Navboxes. That page also has a better explanation why it isn't a wise idea to list individual characters on a series template. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 02:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T02:25:00.000Z","author":"NeoChaosX","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:25:00.000Z-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Why does a list of every character in Naruto need a template listing every character in Naruto? Doesn't that seem fairly redundant? ~SnapperTo 03:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T03:54:00.000Z","author":"Snapper2","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Snapper2-2007-02-02T03:54:00.000Z-NeoChaosX-2007-02-02T02:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-02-02T23:31:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-02-02T03:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Snapper"}}-->

I'm neutrel on this one I like because it's smaller and I don't like it because I'm lazy and don't feel like clicking one more time.Sam ov the blue sand 23:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-02T23:31:00.000Z","author":"Sam ov the blue sand","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-02-02T23:31:00.000Z-Snapper2-2007-02-02T03:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-141.213.198.142-2007-03-17T14:34:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-02-02T23:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't care about the size. Who cares about size? If the larger one is easier to navigate, then go with that one. Most people will agree with me.--141.213.198.142 14:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-17T14:34:00.000Z","author":"141.213.198.142","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-141.213.198.142-2007-03-17T14:34:00.000Z-Sam_ov_the_blue_sand-2007-02-02T23:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2007-03-31T22:13:00.000Z-141.213.198.142-2007-03-17T14:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

I agree. Is there any reason for cutting the previous navigation template? LionheartX

Read what NeoChaosX wrote. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-31T22:13:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2007-03-31T22:13:00.000Z-141.213.198.142-2007-03-17T14:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tjstrf-2007-03-31T22:29:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2007-03-31T22:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

There is no consensus to remove this section. It should be restored until there is consensus to delete it. LionheartX

This is a wiki, my good man. A decision which has been proposed, not met objections, and been implemented has consensus by default. This change was proposed literally months ago, and implemented after a discussion of interested parties, it therefore has consensus. You must build consensus for reversion if you wish to go back to the previous (far inferior) version. --tjstrf talk 22:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-31T22:29:00.000Z","author":"Tjstrf","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Tjstrf-2007-03-31T22:29:00.000Z-Someguy0830-2007-03-31T22:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Someguy0830-2007-03-31T22:31:00.000Z-Tjstrf-2007-03-31T22:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Aside from random complaints, there isn't consensus to change it back. You tried this very same action about a month ago and accomplished nothing. You don't get to come in months after the fact and complain about a lack of consensus. That only works if you get there within a day. We have two templates: one for characters, one for genereal info. We're not doubling up the info simply because you're displeased. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-31T22:31:00.000Z","author":"Someguy0830","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Someguy0830-2007-03-31T22:31:00.000Z-Tjstrf-2007-03-31T22:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I think all noticable characters should have a link. That would include characters who are important, have put a major impact on the series, or have appeared several times throughout the series. This would include characters like Konohamaru, Iruka, Dosu, Zaku, Kimimaro, Suigetsu, Tobi, Baki, etc. I understand that we are all wondering if we should keep only the most important characters, or if we should keep all noticable characters. I think we should keep all noticable characters. That way, everyone will know which characters to keep in mind. The examples I listed above are definately characters that all Naruto fans should know about. What do you guys think?

We can't add every "noticable" character to the template; we have links to character lists for a reason. // DecaimientoPoético 03:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-09T03:07:00.000Z","author":"Poetic Decay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Poetic_Decay-2007-08-09T03:07:00.000Z-Noticable_Characters","replies":[]}}-->

You're right. I guess it really would be too much. But wait. Would a single page for these characters be better? It looks really wierd seeing characters like Haku (one who is clearly noticable) to be on the same page as characters like the Demon Brothers (definately NOT noticable). Would that be a better idea?