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I received this on my talk page:

You are one of a handful of editors who has made at least 25 edits to George Frideric Handel. I am not a musical scholar or student and was hoping you might be able to help me organize {{George Frideric Handel}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:42, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-12T04:42:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2013-03-12T04:42:00.000Z-Request_for_help","replies":[]}}-->

Can you explain what is needed in your opinion? --Klein zach 09:03, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-12T09:03:00.000Z","author":"Kleinzach","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kleinzach-2013-03-12T09:03:00.000Z-Request_for_help","replies":["c-Mscuthbert-2013-03-13T02:58:00.000Z-Kleinzach-2013-03-12T09:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Klein"}}-->

Good work on organizing a start -- I'd suggest that "Opus" isn't a good category; keyboard work would be better. The Gloria should be under church music. Some of the oratorios are duplicates in Italian and English versions. Works encompasses almost everything below except the last three categories. I sort of feel like the template though is a bit big to use at the bottom of articles. Perhaps a smaller template just including the categories of works, a prominent link to the list of works (perhaps by category but not with every work listed) would be better? Handel wrote dozens (hundreds?) of works that do not yet have WP articles; if those works ever get articles, the template could quickly become quite unwieldy. Best, -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 02:58, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-13T02:58:00.000Z","author":"Mscuthbert","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mscuthbert-2013-03-13T02:58:00.000Z-Kleinzach-2013-03-12T09:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kleinzach-2013-03-13T03:48:00.000Z-Mscuthbert-2013-03-13T02:58:00.000Z","c-GFHandel-2013-03-13T03:27:00.000Z-Mscuthbert-2013-03-13T02:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Michael Scott Cuthbert"}}-->

Perhaps we could make the template info hidden by default? --Klein zach 03:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-13T03:48:00.000Z","author":"Kleinzach","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kleinzach-2013-03-13T03:48:00.000Z-Mscuthbert-2013-03-13T02:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Klein"}}-->

Thanks for starting this. In response to the same request, I made some suggestions on my talk page. Cheers. GFHandel ♬ 03:27, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-13T03:27:00.000Z","author":"GFHandel","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GFHandel-2013-03-13T03:27:00.000Z-Mscuthbert-2013-03-13T02:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kleinzach-2013-03-13T03:44:00.000Z-GFHandel-2013-03-13T03:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Can we keep this all here? I think that will work better. Klein zach 03:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-13T03:44:00.000Z","author":"Kleinzach","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kleinzach-2013-03-13T03:44:00.000Z-GFHandel-2013-03-13T03:27:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Klein"}}-->

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Category "Coronation anthems"

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There is no category for "anthems' except "Coronation anthems" which already included "The ways of Zion do mourn" which is not a coronation anthem, and I added an article I created for the Wedding Anthem for Frederick, Prince of Wales. It is my intention sometime fairly soon to create an article on the Chandos anthems, and they are not coronation anthems either. Should that category be changed to just "anthems"?Smeat75 (talk) 05:42, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-21T05:42:00.000Z","author":"Smeat75","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smeat75-2013-09-21T05:42:00.000Z-Category_\"Coronation_anthems\"","replies":["c-Michael_Bednarek-2013-09-21T11:48:00.000Z-Smeat75-2013-09-21T05:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

I suppose so (in line with Category:Anthems by George Frideric Handel). Do we really need a navigation template which contains all his works which have articles here? What's the advantage over Category:Compositions by George Frideric Handel? Can the box at least be collapsed by default? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:48, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-21T11:48:00.000Z","author":"Michael Bednarek","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Michael_Bednarek-2013-09-21T11:48:00.000Z-Smeat75-2013-09-21T05:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Smeat75-2013-10-01T02:35:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2013-09-21T11:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

I went ahead and changed it to "anthems" and I have created an article Chandos Anthem No.1 /Jubilate in D Major "O, be joyful in the Lord". I plan to create single articles on all eleven Chandos anthems, and then one article on all of them. Yes, it will make this template too big. I'm afraid I can't answer your questions about whether we need it or not or if it can be collapsed by default, I don't know, but as long as it is there it seems wrong not to keep it comprehensive. Smeat75 (talk) 02:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-01T02:35:00.000Z","author":"Smeat75","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Smeat75-2013-10-01T02:35:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2013-09-21T11:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->