I'm proposing a shake-up to the current ranking system. Comments requested. --Bob (talk) 22:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-29T22:18:00.000Z","author":"Grcampbell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grcampbell-2008-10-29T22:18:00.000Z-New_standards_needed_to_help_improve_article_hierarchy","replies":[],"displayName":"Bob"}}-->
It might interest parties here that Londo06 (talk · contribs)=Fronsdorf (talk · contribs)= GarethHolteDavies (talk · contribs)= CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk · contribs) = MortonStalker (talk · contribs) = Mortonstalker (talk · contribs) (lower case 's') = Alexsanderson83 (talk · contribs) = christ only knows how many other socks. It was mentioned above by Sticks66 but I thought I would be less subtle about it. Any consensus votes involving this user should thus probably be revisited and amended accordingly. The filing can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Fronsdorf. Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby league have already taken action. --Bob (talk) 21:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-09T21:34:00.000Z","author":"Grcampbell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grcampbell-2008-11-09T21:34:00.000Z-User:Londo6","replies":[],"displayName":"Bob"}}-->
I keep a vague eye on Munster Rugby articles and try to keep the whole ensemble vaguely up to date. I went to a fair amount of work a while back to update the squad template Template:Munster Rugby squad, and found that Londo06 (talk · contribs) had made a duplicate template at Template:Munster squad which was now out of date and didn't use the Rugby union squad template, instead was a custom made Navbox. I marked the custom, out of date one for deletion and tried to contact him for discussion (User_talk:Londo06, Template_talk:Munster_squad), but he reverted the deletion flag and then over-wrote the template I had updated with his custom version, claiming that his version was up to the 'club MOS'.
I had a look at some of the clubs he pointed me at to demonstrate the 'style' Template_talk:Munster_Rugby_squad, and as far as I could tell, they were all created by him or his sock-puppets, which leads me to believe that there was no consensus on this issue? Can I propose a 'new' consensus of just using the Template:Rugby union squad template?
Cheers, Martinicus (talk) 18:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-10T18:49:00.000Z","author":"Martinicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinicus-2008-11-10T18:49:00.000Z-Discussion_of_use_of_standardised_vs_non-standardised_templates","replies":["c-Noq-2008-11-10T19:15:00.000Z-Martinicus-2008-11-10T18:49:00.000Z","c-Grcampbell-2008-11-10T20:20:00.000Z-Martinicus-2008-11-10T18:49:00.000Z","c-Londo06-2008-11-11T08:27:00.000Z-Martinicus-2008-11-10T18:49:00.000Z","c-Grcampbell-2008-11-10T22:44:00.000Z-Martinicus-2008-11-10T18:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
I have since reverted the edits, reason being that I think that it should be brought it to a vote. I seems to me a situation of "Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face." My sock-puppetry; using the account CorleoneSerpicoMontana to gain influence should obviously be taken into account. But I would hope to assuade you that we did move to a better system, one kept up-to-date by a number of editors, and also kept us in line with all the major team sports out there.Londo06 08:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-11T08:27:00.000Z","author":"Londo06","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Londo06-2008-11-11T08:27:00.000Z-Discussion_of_use_of_standardised_vs_non-standardised_templates","replies":["c-Gnevin-2008-11-11T10:07:00.000Z-Londo06-2008-11-11T08:27:00.000Z","c-Cometstyles-2008-11-11T11:07:00.000Z-Londo06-2008-11-11T08:27:00.000Z","c-Noq-2008-11-11T13:35:00.000Z-Londo06-2008-11-11T08:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Londo"}}-->
I'm not a big fan of colour in the template headers - could we do something different to give it 'class'? Put the club crests in club templates and national flags in national team templates perhaps? Martinicus (talk) 12:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-11T12:13:00.000Z","author":"Martinicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinicus-2008-11-11T12:13:00.000Z-Discussion_about_colour_in_squad_templates","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2008-11-11T13:55:00.000Z-Martinicus-2008-11-11T12:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
I do not understand how they are different. They all look the same to me, except some are thinner, is that what this is about? I don't know what is being discussed, the width or the colours. I want them big and colourful. Wasps FC (talk) 15:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-11T15:29:00.000Z","author":"Wasps FC","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wasps_FC-2008-11-11T15:29:00.000Z-Discussion_about_colour_in_squad_templates","replies":[]}}-->
Why? Wasps FC (talk) 09:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-12T09:01:00.000Z","author":"Wasps FC","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wasps_FC-2008-11-12T09:01:00.000Z-Discussion_about_colour_in_squad_templates","replies":["c-Grcampbell-2008-11-11T17:17:00.000Z-Wasps_FC-2008-11-12T09:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
So the first vote is for the purple navboxes and uniformity, and the second is for colour coordination and no uniformity. Is the option for colour coordination and uniformity in the standard template; ie formatting, width, etc.Londo06 18:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-11T18:19:00.000Z","author":"Londo06","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Londo06-2008-11-11T18:19:00.000Z-Discussion_about_colour_in_squad_templates","replies":["c-Londo06-2008-11-11T18:22:00.000Z-Londo06-2008-11-11T18:19:00.000Z","c-Cometstyles-2008-11-11T23:09:00.000Z-Londo06-2008-11-11T18:19:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Londo"}}-->
For me there really is only one debate. Colour or no colour. A standard version to allow colours would the result if it is voted in, and the purple RWC version would become the standard were that to be voted in. Unity of coding is something I believe we would all want.Londo06 07:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-12T07:09:00.000Z","author":"Londo06","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Londo06-2008-11-12T07:09:00.000Z-Discussion_about_colour_in_squad_templates","replies":["c-Martinicus-2008-11-12T11:25:00.000Z-Londo06-2008-11-12T07:09:00.000Z","c-Cometstyles-2008-12-11T05:12:00.000Z-Londo06-2008-11-12T07:09:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Londo"}}-->
No options yet.
One thing that would be really useful to add to the standard squad template would be the season, so that, for example, you would know at a glance if a squad list had been updated to the 'current' one or represented last years. This could display something like '<Team name> squad - season 2006/2007'. What do people think? Martinicus (talk) 12:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-11T12:13:00.000Z","author":"Martinicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinicus-2008-11-11T12:13:00.000Z-Season_indicator","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2008-11-11T13:55:00.000Z-Martinicus-2008-11-11T12:13:00.000Z-1"]}}-->
How about someone keeping them up to date, wouldn't that solve the problem. Wasps FC (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-11T16:36:00.000Z","author":"Wasps FC","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wasps_FC-2008-11-11T16:36:00.000Z-Season_indicator","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2008-11-11T16:53:00.000Z-Wasps_FC-2008-11-11T16:36:00.000Z"]}}-->
I don't see the point in it either. If people want it just get someone with the know how to add it, how hard can it be. Wasps FC (talk) 16:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-11T16:57:00.000Z","author":"Wasps FC","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wasps_FC-2008-11-11T16:57:00.000Z-Season_indicator","replies":["c-Londo06-2008-11-11T18:26:00.000Z-Wasps_FC-2008-11-11T16:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
With regards to the 2007-2008 idea, the community moved away from an idea similar to that about a year ago. The way I look at it is that being an encyclopaedia, current squad should be taken to mean that. I have no great intention to touch the Super 14 clubs as their season is a way off, but the others are easily updated, but probably better left until this issue is resolved.Londo06 18:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-11T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Londo06","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Londo06-2008-11-11T18:30:00.000Z-Season_indicator","replies":["c-Wasps_FC-2008-11-12T09:00:00.000Z-Londo06-2008-11-11T18:30:00.000Z","c-Martinicus-2008-11-12T11:31:00.000Z-Londo06-2008-11-11T18:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Londo"}}-->
ATTENTION WP:ATHLETE is being re-written. There is a very big discussion here. The re-writing is focusing mainly on amateur athletes. You may well wish to participate.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-26T16:52:00.000Z","author":"Paulmcdonald","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paulmcdonald-2008-11-26T16:52:00.000Z-Major_Notability_Discussion","replies":[],"displayName":"Paul McDonald"}}-->
I've listed all the UK players who appeared in the Home Nations Tests of the 1984 Wallaby Tour of Britain here, Could one of my northern colleagues please have a look at which can be currently linked to existing articles. -Sticks66 12:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-18T12:50:00.000Z","author":"Sticks66","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sticks66-2008-11-18T12:50:00.000Z-Wallaby_1984_Grand_Slam","replies":["c-Bcp67-2008-11-18T19:35:00.000Z-Sticks66-2008-11-18T12:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Sticks"}}-->
I know but due to Londo's socking of nearly every discussion here I think this should be relisted . Reason for the move include
Gnevin (talk) 15:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z-Move_All_blacks_to_New_Zealand_national_rugby_union_team","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2008-11-19T16:38:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","c-Grcampbell-2008-11-21T17:48:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","c-Bcp67-2008-11-21T21:06:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","c-FruitMonkey-2008-11-24T21:27:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","c-Dramatic-2008-11-24T22:19:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","c-Noq-2008-11-27T00:29:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","c-Noq-2008-11-28T00:35:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","c-Hippo43-2008-11-27T01:26:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","c-MarkFD-2008-11-30T18:39:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z","c-Stevebritgimp-2008-11-30T20:02:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-19T15:47:00.000Z"]}}-->
Articles with the term All Black in the title also be moved. Such as History of rugby union matches between All Blacks and France be moved to History of rugby union matches between France and New Zealand. --Bob (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-26T22:56:00.000Z","author":"Grcampbell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grcampbell-2008-11-26T22:56:00.000Z-Articles_with_the_term_All_Black_in_the_title_be_moved_to_New_Zealand_in_the_tit","replies":["c-Grcampbell-2008-11-26T22:56:00.000Z-Grcampbell-2008-11-26T22:56:00.000Z","c-PeeJay2K3-2008-11-27T01:12:00.000Z-Grcampbell-2008-11-26T22:56:00.000Z","c-Stevebritgimp-2008-11-30T20:03:00.000Z-Grcampbell-2008-11-26T22:56:00.000Z","c-Djln-2009-01-17T17:24:00.000Z-Grcampbell-2008-11-26T22:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Bob"}}-->
I have now formally requested that All Blacks be moved to New Zealand national rugby union team. Now, I cannot stress this enough, but I must ask everyone to contribute to the RM discussion (to be found here), or else all of this discussion above will be for nought. – PeeJay 19:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-19T19:59:00.000Z","author":"PeeJay2K3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PeeJay2K3-2008-12-19T19:59:00.000Z-All_Blacks_RM","replies":["c-Gnevin-2009-01-26T23:19:00.000Z-PeeJay2K3-2008-12-19T19:59:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Pee"}}-->
Myself and User:Andrwsc are involved in a discussion of the removal of the flags/icons from {{BILru}} and {{PIru}} . It is my contention that Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Inventing_new_icons is very clear The practice of inventing a new icon to fill a perceived need for one is not simply deprecated but expressly forbidden by policy, as it constitutes original research. However if I am understanding Andrwsc correctly the user believes they are not flags. However I would contend that the mos covers all icons which are WP:OR and should be removed . Any opinions ? Gnevin (talk) 14:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-21T14:28:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2008-11-21T14:28:00.000Z-Wider_opinion_needed_regarding_banner_and_flag_use","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2008-11-21T14:48:00.000Z-Gnevin-2008-11-21T14:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
The image used for the PI team is NOT an invented flag or icon. It is a composite image combining three flags hung vertically side-by-side. It is not WP:OR, as nothing has been originally researched and it is not an invented icon. It is three flags hung vertically and composed within one file. The argument can almost also be used for the image within the Lions template were it not for one of the images used being original research. The Shamrock in that image should be replaced by the 4prov of Ireland. On another note, and can someone please profer an opinion, the Shamrock that is being used to represent Ireland is def. WP:OR, and the flag of the Maori movement being used to represent the Maori are WP:OR does not represent the Maori team correctly and def. falls into WP:OR as it is not ever used to represent said team. They should be replaced with the 4prov flag and the New Zealand flag respectively. Besides that, there was a tfd for the templates only 1 month ago and it was decided to keep. --Bob (talk) 01:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-26T01:17:00.000Z","author":"Grcampbell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grcampbell-2008-11-26T01:17:00.000Z-Wider_opinion_needed_regarding_banner_and_flag_use","replies":["c-Andrwsc-2008-11-26T17:01:00.000Z-Grcampbell-2008-11-26T01:17:00.000Z","c-Grcampbell-2008-11-28T19:38:00.000Z-Grcampbell-2008-11-26T01:17:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Bob"}}-->
Comment: I'd rather see no flag at all than the Republic's flag only used in the various rugby templates. While I have no "dog in the fight" between the North and South, since I'm an American, it's VERY misleading to use the Republic's flag to represent an All-Ireland national team. — Dale Arnett (talk) 20:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-14T20:52:00.000Z","author":"Dale Arnett","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dale_Arnett-2009-02-14T20:52:00.000Z-Wider_opinion_needed_regarding_banner_and_flag_use","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-02-14T21:06:00.000Z-Dale_Arnett-2009-02-14T20:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
Am starting to see some blow back on the flag issue with a couple of flags being used for Ireland, can all user keep an eye out for incorrect Ireland flags Gnevin (talk) 21:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-17T21:52:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2009-02-17T21:52:00.000Z-Wider_opinion_needed_regarding_banner_and_flag_use","replies":[]}}-->
I noticed yet again that there was no symbol/icon/emblem for Ireland rugby - as most people have no objection to the IRFU symbol I have uploade my own "public domian" version. I think that this should keep all but one peroson happy. Bloodholds (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added on 10:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC).__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-18T10:11:00.000Z","author":"Bloodholds","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bloodholds-2009-02-18T10:11:00.000Z-Wider_opinion_needed_regarding_banner_and_flag_use","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-02-18T10:19:00.000Z-Bloodholds-2009-02-18T10:11:00.000Z"]}}-->
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I must say I've alwways hated flagicons. they do nothing but slow down page loading. I don't see them adding anything to most articles they are used on. Particularly in a commonwealth-dominated sport, when there is so little difference between Australia and New Zealand. dramatic (talk) 08:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-01T08:32:00.000Z","author":"Dramatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dramatic-2009-03-01T08:32:00.000Z-Drop_them_completely?","replies":["c-Gnevin-2009-03-01T16:47:00.000Z-Dramatic-2009-03-01T08:32:00.000Z"]}}-->
(Deindent) This is really getting off the point but a knowledge of worlds flags isn't required learning in any nation that I know off and if you seen would you know what it is? Most people wouldn't. Ireland is that special. Yes a lot of people viewing our articles will not knows how the tricolour looks like, even know what Ireland is, or what Rugby is, or what a rugby ball is Gnevin (talk) 14:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-02T14:38:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2009-03-02T14:38:00.000Z-Drop_them_completely?","replies":["c-Chandler-2009-03-02T15:11:00.000Z-Gnevin-2009-03-02T14:38:00.000Z"]}}-->
De flagged Six nations article De flagged Six nations article but with infobox with flagsGnevin (talk) 18:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-01T18:15:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2009-03-01T18:15:00.000Z-Examples","replies":["c-Dramatic-2009-03-02T23:14:00.000Z-Gnevin-2009-03-01T18:15:00.000Z"]}}-->
As an aside from the discussion above i think this project should rapidly remove the giant flags in starting to creep in to RU articles. Example 1,Example 2. What ever about the need for flags in general their is zero need for 2 100px flags before each team.
I think the File:IRFU Flag of Ireland.svg flag should be the flag for the Ireland rugby union team. Mr Hall of England (talk) 11:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-03T11:51:00.000Z","author":"Mr Hall of England","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr_Hall_of_England-2009-03-03T11:51:00.000Z-IRFU_Flag","replies":["c-Chandler-2009-03-03T11:57:00.000Z-Mr_Hall_of_England-2009-03-03T11:51:00.000Z"]}}-->
Images Some copyrighted images may be used on Wikipedia, providing they meet both the legal criteria for fair use, and Wikipedia's own guidelines for non-free content. Copyrighted images that reasonably can be replaced by free/libre images are not suitable for Wikipedia.
more examples are listed below that.
The IRFU flag is a team logo is it not?Kwib (talk) 14:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-05T14:59:00.000Z","author":"Kwib","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kwib-2009-03-05T14:59:00.000Z-IRFU_Flag","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-03-05T15:14:00.000Z-Kwib-2009-03-05T14:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
Why can't we use the Four Provinces Flag which is completely copyright free and is used by the IRFU as a flag at matches ? ManfromDelmonte (talk) 21:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-06T21:41:00.000Z","author":"ManfromDelmonte","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ManfromDelmonte-2009-03-06T21:41:00.000Z-IRFU_Flag","replies":["c-2008Olympian-2009-03-18T20:03:00.000Z-ManfromDelmonte-2009-03-06T21:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
Not enough weight for Ireland is undue weight for the other teams. I agree with your point about not inventing images, particularly those that are basic copy-violations (one such image was deleted). I would prefer no flags to one where one nation had no flag as this is inconsistant, however, having no flags would be inconsistant with other sports. If it is possible to reference that the IRFU do use the four province flag then I suggest we adopt it.GordyB (talk) 14:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-20T14:24:00.000Z","author":"GordyB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GordyB-2009-03-20T14:24:00.000Z-IRFU_Flag","replies":["c-Hippo43-2009-03-20T15:43:00.000Z-GordyB-2009-03-20T14:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
I really don't know much about the subject regarding the Irish flag, but as an outside idea, has anybody thought of contacting the IRFU to optain permission to use the flag here? I don't know whether thats possible but as Wikipedia is a pretty well known institution, they may be inclined to permit us to use it. EA210269 (talk) 07:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-19T07:10:00.000Z","author":"EA210269","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EA210269-2009-03-19T07:10:00.000Z-IRFU_Flag","replies":["c-GordyB-2009-03-19T10:17:00.000Z-EA210269-2009-03-19T07:10:00.000Z"]}}-->
This is my first experience of a Wikipedia dispute and I must admit that I am disappointed and surprised by poverty of the decision making involved. PeeJay tells me I am in a minority on the rugby union WikiProject page on this issue, but when I read the discussion I just see the same 4 guys tossing around opinions to one another (and several others disagreeing with them) and then settling it between themselves; I guess everyone else is the "minority".
I think that the treatment of Irish teams in these pages is biased and, possibly, racist. There is a real colonial snap to a couple of guys (who all appear to be in Britain) making decisions about how Irish rugby is presented, with all this legalistic twaddle about copyrights and fair use. The end set of decisions are poor and fly in the face of all common sense. So, before I unleash my minority let me point how how many ways you are wrong.
First, it is a mistake to plaster flags all over these pages. That's the original sin. If you want to put an icon beside the country/nations/teams taking part then you should use the symbols of the rugby unions. That is way it is done on the RBS site (not national flags), on TV when the matches are televised and on the players shirts. [Ironically, you use this fact to exclude the tricolour saying that we should use the IRFU flag because it is the flag covering NI and the Republic. Can I applaud your inconsistency here.] If you cannot use these icons because of copyright then no icon should be entered; putting in flags is a poor second.Second, the template you have designed is wrong. The idea of a template is that it covers all the possibilities you want to cover. You have designed a template that doesn't work; by your own admission it does not handle Ireland. By you own reasoning, it should be dumped or modified to a point where it covers all the cases. Third, lets assume that we want to use flags, that you don't want to re-cant the original sin. Then, the logical choice is the 4-provinces one; this is the one created by the authorities to indicate the all-ireland unit. It, therefore, has an authority way beyond you four guys. Several people have pointed out that this is used at the games, several comments on the discussion have made this point but in your wisdom you have batted these comments aside with arbitrary asides (e.g., it is too small, you cant see what it is, do we want to have a flag for the sake of a flag). This is very sloppy reaoning on your part. [and don't re-run the argument that it has to have the copyrighted IRFU logo in it, because you have already rejected that idea yourself by opting not to use the rugby union icons]. Fourth, in all of this you have lost sight of the common sense import of the activity. If you go to these matches you see people with national flags. In Wales the welsh flag, in France their flag and so on. When you go to a Munster match you will see tricolours, same with Leinster and Connaught. In Ulster, you will see a variety of things that reflect the history (probably notably, the now defunct Red-hand flag). These are the flag icons that people use, in common use, to indicate the national alignment of these teams. So, by use, at the very least the teams should have the appropriate flag beside them (if you want to indicate national alignment). In saying this, I recognise that there are problems putting the tricolour next to Ireland and Ulster; but at least we have contained the amount of idiocy in the page.
In conclusion, if you want flags (which are not necessarily warranted at all) then I would suggest (i) the 4-provinces flag for Ireland, (ii) the red-hand flag or 4-provinces one for Ulster, and (iii) that the tricolour goes everywhere else. This solution maintains the coherence of the template and is most accurate in reflecting the common view of what all of these things mean, taking divergent sensibilities into account. Muk Den
A careful look at the copyright section of the file for the IRFU Flag would seem to suggest that its use for articles within the Rugby Union category where the team referred to is the IRFU is fair use. I'm going to have a copyright lawyer take a look at this. If anyone else has an idea of the legal copyright issues here it would be good to find out what's exactly going on here. Also, it may actually follow all rules and legal issues to use the following flag: . It's similar to when North Korea and South Korea competed in the Sydney 2000 Summer Olympics under one flag. It was a simple white flag with an image of the Korean peninsula in blue. It was not an official flag used by any athlete's association from either North or South Korea, but was reasonably used to represent all the athletes competing under one Olympic team.Brendan OhUiginn (talk) 02:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-24T02:21:00.000Z","author":"Bohuiginn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bohuiginn-2009-03-24T02:21:00.000Z-The_use_of_the_IRFU_flag_in_general","replies":["c-Hippo43-2009-03-24T02:50:00.000Z-Bohuiginn-2009-03-24T02:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Brendan OhUiginn"}}-->
The shamrock logo has been used; I honestly prefer the four provinces flag, but for the love of God, get some sort of flag put back on the articles because this is now a complete bureaucratic farce. If needs be, contact the IRFU and ask them to confirm the status of the logo and if it's not compatitable with the GNU, then ask if they would allow it's use on Wikpeadia. I know it's been tried before, but since there's been no response there's no agreed basis to move on from. I'm sure the IRFU has a press secretary - at this stage, even e-mailing a journalist from a national newspaper and asking them nicely to request confirmation would be palatable. It's a much better option than the round-about arguments that have been going on here for years now.Syferus (talk) 11:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-12T11:57:00.000Z","author":"Syferus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syferus-2009-04-12T11:57:00.000Z-The_use_of_the_IRFU_flag_in_general","replies":["c-MacRusgail-2009-04-12T14:38:00.000Z-Syferus-2009-04-12T11:57:00.000Z","c-MacRusgail-2009-04-26T17:49:00.000Z-Syferus-2009-04-12T11:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
In conclusion, if you want flags (which are not necessarily warranted at all) then I would suggest (i) the 4-provinces flag for Ireland, (ii) the red-hand flag or 4-provinces one for Ulster, and (iii) that the tricolour goes everywhere else. This solution maintains the coherence of the template and is most accurate in reflecting the common view of what all of these things mean, taking divergent sensibilities into account. Muk Den —Preceding undated comment added 14:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC).__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-26T14:08:00.000Z","author":"Mukden","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mukden-2009-05-26T14:08:00.000Z-The_use_of_the_IRFU_flag_in_general","replies":[],"displayName":"Muk Den"}}-->
What was the link to the old Irish Rugby Flag you know the one with the white background and the three leaf clover. Mr Hall of England (talk) 12:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-30T12:04:00.000Z","author":"Mr Hall of England","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr_Hall_of_England-2009-05-30T12:04:00.000Z-The_use_of_the_IRFU_flag_in_general","replies":[]}}-->
I've reverted some edits which I believe to be humourous vandalism mixed with a probable conflict of interest. I'd be interested if someone who knows more about Carling could review the article edit history and suggest a way forward -- Blue Square Thing (talk) 22:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-02T22:28:00.000Z","author":"Blue Square Thing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blue_Square_Thing-2008-12-02T22:28:00.000Z-Will_Carling","replies":[]}}-->
Hi. I don't know too much about rugby, but this source claims that Doug Yeabsley, whose article I'm working on, played in the back row for Quins and Saracens. Is there some kind of rugby archive site or book that you can confirm this from? I'm worried he may not have played for the first XV, so haven't included the claim. If true, I'd like to add it + any useful stats, e.g. an info box, if you guys do that. (The cricket one is on the way) Help gratefully received. --Dweller (talk) 10:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-08T10:56:00.000Z","author":"Dweller","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dweller-2008-12-08T10:56:00.000Z-How_do_I_find_stats_for_an_old_Harlequins_or_Saracens_player?","replies":[]}}-->
It doesn't seem like anyone actually visits here any more, judging by the amount of activity, but here goes nothing... I've just nominated Category:Llanelli Scarlets and its subcategories to be renamed to Category:Scarlets, in line with the renaming of the article about the team. If you have any comments about this move, please raise them here. – PeeJay 00:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-11T00:23:00.000Z","author":"PeeJay2K3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PeeJay2K3-2009-01-11T00:23:00.000Z-Category:Llanelli_Scarlets","replies":["c-FruitMonkey-2009-01-11T00:35:00.000Z-PeeJay2K3-2009-01-11T00:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Pee"}}-->
Hello there, the article Frank Hadden which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the WP:GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.--Jackyd101 (talk) 01:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-13T01:03:00.000Z","author":"Jackyd101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jackyd101-2009-01-13T01:03:00.000Z-Frank_Hadden_under_GA_review","replies":[]}}-->
I've put Category:University and college rugby football clubs up for renaming to Category:University and college rugby union teams as it is not Wikipedia policy to have categories that straddle union and league.
There has been a lack of votes on the issue. To express your opinion please follow the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_January_30 GordyB (talk) 10:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-31T10:10:00.000Z","author":"GordyB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GordyB-2009-01-31T10:10:00.000Z-Category_up_for_deletion","replies":[]}}-->
After moving the New Zealand articles I noticed their was alot of History of New Zealand V x . So i decided to make a template
. As you can see the New Zealand list is incomplete( and I gave up half way ) and all other nations have none. Are these articles something the project should have a drive toward creating ? Gnevin (talk) 23:26, 4 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-04T23:26:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2009-02-04T23:26:00.000Z-History_of_Tier_1_nations","replies":[]}}-->
Interesting idea - but do the Lions belong in a list of tier one nations? noq (talk) 00:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-05T00:55:00.000Z","author":"Noq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Noq-2009-02-05T00:55:00.000Z-History_of_Tier_1_nations","replies":["c-Gnevin-2009-02-05T08:54:00.000Z-Noq-2009-02-05T00:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
Some matches like All Blacks v Argentina might not be non-capped matches. Mr Hall of England (talk) 20:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-14T20:40:00.000Z","author":"Mr Hall of England","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr_Hall_of_England-2009-03-14T20:40:00.000Z-History_of_Tier_1_nations","replies":[]}}-->
"do the Lions belong in a list of tier one nations?" - No, because they are a multinational team, and are not tier one, because they play at irregular intervals, and don't enter the world cup qualifying. (Although I'm sure Gordon Brown probably wishes they did!) They're really a touring side, IMHO, like the Pacific Islanders.
However, there's no reason why a series of articles along the same lions e.g. Lions vs SA/NZ/Oz couldn't be done.--MacRusgail (talk) 18:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-23T18:24:00.000Z","author":"MacRusgail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MacRusgail-2009-03-23T18:24:00.000Z-History_of_Tier_1_nations","replies":["c-MacRusgail-2009-03-29T16:43:00.000Z-MacRusgail-2009-03-23T18:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
Can I also suggest that for this history template, that the left side bar links to the history of the sport in that particular country?--MacRusgail (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-26T17:51:00.000Z","author":"MacRusgail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MacRusgail-2009-04-26T17:51:00.000Z-History_of_Tier_1_nations","replies":[]}}-->
I've started to remove Ireland flags I am replacing
Why not use both the Northern Irish and Republic of Ireland flags together, like its been done for the Irish football league FAI League of Ireland, the team consists of both nationalities and the IRFU is from one of the countries, so there shouldn't be a problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.124.64.142 (talk) 13:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-09T13:04:00.000Z","author":"89.124.64.142","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-89.124.64.142-2009-02-09T13:04:00.000Z-Removing_Ireland_flags","replies":["c-Bohuiginn-2009-03-01T02:59:00.000Z-89.124.64.142-2009-02-09T13:04:00.000Z","c-MacRusgail-2009-03-29T16:47:00.000Z-89.124.64.142-2009-02-09T13:04:00.000Z"]}}-->
I think you should restore the Irish rugby flags and the flag you should use is the IRFU Flag. Mr Hall of England (talk) 11:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-03T11:59:00.000Z","author":"Mr Hall of England","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr_Hall_of_England-2009-03-03T11:59:00.000Z-Removing_Ireland_flags","replies":["c-GordyB-2009-03-03T12:03:00.000Z-Mr_Hall_of_England-2009-03-03T11:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
I suggest removing all flags, there isn't really a need for them anyway and consistancy should be the thing.12:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I think you should restore the Irish rugby flags and the flag you should use is the 4 Provinces. Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-03T19:12:00.000Z","author":"Mr Hall of England","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr_Hall_of_England-2009-03-03T19:12:00.000Z-Removing_Ireland_flags","replies":[]}}-->
How do you correct the hyperlink on the flag? Beacuse when you put the cursor on the Ireland is is Ireland (island) Mr Hall of England (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-03T19:14:00.000Z","author":"Mr Hall of England","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr_Hall_of_England-2009-03-03T19:14:00.000Z-Removing_Ireland_flags","replies":["c-Chandler-2009-03-20T02:17:00.000Z-Mr_Hall_of_England-2009-03-03T19:14:00.000Z"]}}-->
Seems to have been started here Archive 1 - Flag of Ireland then started again here Archive 4 - IRB vs. IRFU all-Ireland flags before restarting here Wider opinion needed regarding banner and flag use, here IRFU Flag and now below. Also a long and helpful discussion on the 2009 six nations discussion page.
Although all other six nation teams are represented by their national flag and it seems the irish team does in fact sometimes use this flag at tests as well. However there seems to exist reasons for some wikipedia editors to believe this may not be appropriate. Sadly I am largely ignorant of the more practical aspects of Irish history as they relate to flags and their national teams - however Irish Rugby Football Union#Hisotry gives a good consise explanation. Anyway on first appearance it is strange not to see the national flag icon but I get it now. Nevertheless the 2009 six nations article employed all three alternatives on one page for the same team - no flag, irish flag and IRFU flag!!! I guess this page suggests that as yet no clear and generally accepted consensus has been reached. Just as a tidying up exercise I put the Ireland in rather than blank, or 25px or , and only then discovered the above long-running debate and issues. ROxBo (talk) 04:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-22T04:27:00.000Z","author":"ROxBo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ROxBo-2009-03-22T04:27:00.000Z-History_of_this_discussion","replies":[]}}-->
Is there consensus?
The shamrock was also used by articles on rugby league and the deletion of the flags has caused them to be replaced by [[IRFU|Ireland]] tags which is really not appropriate. The equivalent body would be Rugby League Ireland.GordyB (talk) 18:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-06T18:28:00.000Z","author":"GordyB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GordyB-2009-02-06T18:28:00.000Z-Unforseen_side_effect_of_Irish_flag_deletion","replies":["c-Gnevin-2009-02-06T18:58:00.000Z-GordyB-2009-02-06T18:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
I know this was discussed before but Leinster_Rugby#Leinster_Squad to me looks so much better and more functional with out the flags. Instead of a flag which can be can to make out. You offer the user a click-able link to the union the player is associated with . This could also be use for sortable tables. What would user feeling be on removing the flags from this templates Gnevin (talk) 02:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-07T02:31:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2009-02-07T02:31:00.000Z-Roll_out_changes_to_all_nationality_for_{{Rugby_squad_player}}","replies":["c-Chandler-2009-02-07T03:06:00.000Z-Gnevin-2009-02-07T02:31:00.000Z"]}}-->
OK, bit of a discussion going on over at 2009 Six Nations Championship about the location of the Stade de France. According to the stadium's official website (http://www.stadefrance.com/), the IRB (http://www.rwc2007.irb.com/destinationFrance/venues/venue=2022/index.html) and FIFA (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=1013/results/matches/match=8788/report.html), it is located in Saint-Denis, but User:Jimmy Pitt, User:Schcambo and User:Nouse4aname think that, because Saint-Denis is (technically) a suburb of Paris, we should describe the Stade de France's location as "Paris". Opinions please. – PeeJay 12:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-10T12:10:00.000Z","author":"PeeJay2K3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PeeJay2K3-2009-02-10T12:10:00.000Z-Stade_de_France_location?","replies":["c-Nouse4aname-2009-02-10T15:17:00.000Z-PeeJay2K3-2009-02-10T12:10:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Pee"}}-->
I'm not sure that there is a need to be this precise on the Six Nations page, Paris is enough, the exact suburb is probably something best left for the stadium's article.GordyB (talk) 23:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-10T23:16:00.000Z","author":"GordyB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GordyB-2009-02-10T23:16:00.000Z-Stade_de_France_location?","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-02-10T23:33:00.000Z-GordyB-2009-02-10T23:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
Can someone remove the flags from this File:Tournoi.svg and replace with area of control, perhaps highlighted by colour? Gnevin (talk) 18:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-11T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2009-02-11T18:04:00.000Z-Image_editors","replies":["c-Gnevin-2009-02-17T21:52:00.000Z-Gnevin-2009-02-11T18:04:00.000Z"]}}-->
See Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2009_February_11#Flag_of_Ireland_rugby.svg Gnevin (talk) 19:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-11T19:05:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2009-02-11T19:05:00.000Z-FFD_\"flag\"_of_Ireland","replies":[]}}-->
Another cross-code category up for deletion. Please vote.GordyB (talk) 12:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-16T12:01:00.000Z","author":"GordyB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GordyB-2009-02-16T12:01:00.000Z-Rugby_films","replies":["c-MacRusgail-2009-04-06T17:31:00.000Z-GordyB-2009-02-16T12:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
Are either of these codes derived from Rugby football? Surely Water polo , has more shared roots than these sports ? Can I remove them from Category:Rugby football Gnevin (talk) 21:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-16T21:02:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2009-02-16T21:02:00.000Z-Wheelchair_rugby_and_Underwater_rugby","replies":["c-GordyB-2009-02-16T21:10:00.000Z-Gnevin-2009-02-16T21:02:00.000Z"]}}-->
I am sceptical of the connection with rugby - but they should still be categorised under rugby cats IMHO - that's where people may come looking for them. It would be very difficult for a wheelchair bound person to play anything much like rugby, because of the kicking, tackling and scrum aspects. The only possible similarities would be in ball shape, formation and passing, but these don't seem to exist... however if the Irish are taking an interest, then the case for retaining the cats is stronger.
By the way, where are the articles on "new image rugby" and "mini rugby"? Both of these are genuine rugby derivatives. Did anyone play table rugby at school? We used to use coins. The rules were a bit complicated.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-29T16:57:00.000Z","author":"MacRusgail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MacRusgail-2009-03-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wheelchair_rugby_and_Underwater_rugby","replies":["c-GordyB-2009-03-31T12:23:00.000Z-MacRusgail-2009-03-29T16:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
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Does anyone have some information they can quickly add to the prose part of History of rugby union matches between Argentina and France? It is nominated for Did You Know?, but is about 400 characters too short of the guideline. dramatic (talk) 01:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-05T01:43:00.000Z","author":"Dramatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dramatic-2009-03-05T01:43:00.000Z-History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_Argentina_and_France","replies":["c-Chandler-2009-03-05T01:55:00.000Z-Dramatic-2009-03-05T01:43:00.000Z","c-Dramatic-2009-03-05T09:27:00.000Z-Dramatic-2009-03-05T01:43:00.000Z"]}}-->
I have found various references to (but no comprehensive history of) a Latin Cup (rugby union), but we don't have an article on it. Any volunteers to write one? www.lassen.co.nz/pickandgo.php shows matches in 1995 and 1997, with France, Italy, Argentina and Romania involved. However, it lists insufficient results for the round-robins mentioned (possibly because the site does not document all games for Romania?) dramatic (talk) 00:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-11T00:49:00.000Z","author":"Dramatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dramatic-2009-03-11T00:49:00.000Z-Latin_Cup?","replies":["c-GordyB-2009-03-11T08:56:00.000Z-Dramatic-2009-03-11T00:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
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Thanks. — Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:37, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)
Does this project have any specific guideline on the notability of clubs? I removed a WP:PROD tag from Reading R.F.C. because the team playes at level 4 of the English pyramid system. From my rather limited knowledge of rugby union it would seem to me that this is at least equivalent to an association football team playing at level 10, which is considered the notability cut-off point by WikiProject Football. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-17T15:58:00.000Z","author":"Phil Bridger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Phil_Bridger-2009-03-17T15:58:00.000Z-Notability_of_clubs","replies":["c-Gnevin-2009-03-17T16:04:00.000Z-Phil_Bridger-2009-03-17T15:58:00.000Z"]}}-->
Where the {{ru}} template is used with the New Zealand Māori parameter we see this: Māori. I have issue with the use of the Tino rangatiratanga flag along the same lines as the problems with the flags used for the Irish and the Lions. This flag being shown is never used as an official flag by the Māori rugby team. The flag that is used by the Nez Zealand Rugby Union is NOT the Tino rangatiratanga flag but the Flag of New Zealand, a defaced Blue Ensign with the Union Jack in the canton, and four red stars with white borders to the right and can be seen here and here. --Bob (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC) Not a problem any more. --Bob (talk) 07:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-23T20:56:00.000Z","author":"Grcampbell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grcampbell-2009-03-23T20:56:00.000Z-New_Zealand_M\u0101ori_flag_use","replies":["c-GordyB-2009-03-23T21:12:00.000Z-Grcampbell-2009-03-23T20:56:00.000Z","c-Grcampbell-2009-03-24T01:14:00.000Z-Grcampbell-2009-03-23T20:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Bob"}}-->
There has been a template for a while, implemented across the board using a flag that was only created in 1990 and is not even recognized by the NZRU. It was protected like all country data templates and I didn't realise that they have been unprotected recently. As this is a wiki, I modified it. Only reason I first posted here is because I though it was still protected. Otherwise I wouldn't have even posted here. You obviously didn't even realise that it has been in use for over a year now, so it isn't like you even care about it. As the flag used was incorrect, no consensus was required. Look at the matches between Maori and international teams. The flag of New Zealand is placed on the field before the match. It is an international team inasmuch as the emerging springboks, saxons, junior AB or any other "A" side. Oh, and I wasn't looking for a consensus vote.--Bob (talk) 07:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-24T07:40:00.000Z","author":"Grcampbell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grcampbell-2009-03-24T07:40:00.000Z-New_Zealand_M\u0101ori_flag_use","replies":[],"displayName":"Bob"}}-->
Disagree, there is a fairly widely recognised Maori flag, just as there is a fairly well recognised Australian native flag. As for whether they are a national team - that depends on whether you consider Maoris a nation...--MacRusgail (talk) 16:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-29T16:59:00.000Z","author":"MacRusgail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MacRusgail-2009-03-29T16:59:00.000Z-New_Zealand_M\u0101ori_flag_use","replies":["c-GordyB-2009-03-31T12:26:00.000Z-MacRusgail-2009-03-29T16:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
The above-mentioned user is currently reverting all of my attempts to remove the IRFU flag from pages where it is not deemed to be in Fair Use. Can someone please have a word with him/her and confirm what I have been trying to tell them. – PeeJay 18:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-27T18:27:00.000Z","author":"PeeJay2K3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PeeJay2K3-2009-03-27T18:27:00.000Z-User:MusicInTheHouse","replies":["c-MusicInTheHouse-2009-03-27T18:42:00.000Z-PeeJay2K3-2009-03-27T18:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Pee"}}-->
And you are the fore bringer of all that is correct and right to do on Wikipedia? Please get a grip! Thank you. MusicInTheHouse (talk) 19:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-27T19:22:00.000Z","author":"MusicInTheHouse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MusicInTheHouse-2009-03-27T19:22:00.000Z-User:MusicInTheHouse","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-03-27T19:25:00.000Z-MusicInTheHouse-2009-03-27T19:22:00.000Z","c-GordyB-2009-03-27T22:51:00.000Z-MusicInTheHouse-2009-03-27T19:22:00.000Z"]}}-->
Have tried to integrate this into the main RWC template, but you can see by this template there are still plenty of red links (including winners South Africa!!!), and those on many of the major nations such as Australia have poor articles.
--MacRusgail (talk) 17:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-29T17:20:00.000Z","author":"MacRusgail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MacRusgail-2009-03-29T17:20:00.000Z-X_at_the_world_cup","replies":[]}}-->
I remove the tricolour from beside Kidney at Ireland national rugby union team ,Eddie O'Sullivan while at United_States_national_rugby_union_team has none.
Should Irish coaches from the Republic use the tricolour and Northern Irish coaches use the Ulster Banner. Gnevin (talk) 14:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-03T14:41:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2009-04-03T14:41:00.000Z-Ireland_again,_non_players_flags","replies":["c-MusicInTheHouse-2009-04-03T14:49:00.000Z-Gnevin-2009-04-03T14:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
I don't know what you mean by "Ulster banner". This is the proper flag of all Ulster -
A third of Ulster is in the Irish Republic, Cavan, Donegal, and Monaghan are all in Ulster, but all in the Republic. The Northern Irish flag has not been officially recognised since the 1970s. It is also blatantly sectarian in several respects. (The Irish tricolour, for all of its misuse at least attempts to represent both the RC (green) and Protestant (orange) communities of the island)
The logical answer is to either restore the four provinces banner () or to use a minature map of Ireland. --MacRusgail (talk) 16:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-06T16:57:00.000Z","author":"MacRusgail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MacRusgail-2009-04-06T16:57:00.000Z-Ireland_again,_non_players_flags","replies":["c-MusicInTheHouse-2009-04-06T18:04:00.000Z-MacRusgail-2009-04-06T16:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
I would have to sat I can see where MITH is coming from on this one. The flag has been used in the past to represent the Ireland. Its representative of the 4 provinces and the IRFU flag is merely a derivative of it. There is also an argument for the use of this but its not really a flag. GainLine ♠ 19:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I know this has been suggested before, but has anyone thought of contacting the IRFU and asking their permission to use their flag? GainLine ♠ 20:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not so sure, the last time the union jack was used to represent Irish Rugby players was in Ravenhill years ago and wasn't used the last time there was a match there in 2007. I would agree that maybe thats technically correct but not in this context. Is it possible to use the individual province flags or a combination of both? GainLine ♠ 20:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Lot of truth in what Hippo says about it only serving editors. Similar situation arose with Eddie Irvine. Check out nationality section on his page to see how it was dealt with. GainLine ♠ 21:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
oh yeh for sure youre right there, just thought I'd mention it to see what everyone thought of the politically neutral answer to the nationality issue GainLine ♠ 22:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm gonna say no flags, I think the provinces flag, a map of ireland or a shamrock could be possible but maybe messy and unworkable solutions GainLine ♠ 08:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Using the Union flag to represent (Northern) Irish players could actually be incredibly offensive, particularly if that person comes from a certain background. The NI flag is even worse, and has not even been recognised by the UK government since the 1970s. Likewise it would be stupid to use the Union Jack for Lions players (since not all come from the UK) or for players from the UK, since rugby has always been played and administered along national lines (England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland) not UK ones.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-07T16:52:00.000Z","author":"MacRusgail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MacRusgail-2009-04-07T16:52:00.000Z-Ireland_again,_non_players_flags","replies":[]}}-->
As a sideline, which flag should be used for the "Arabian [sic] Gulf" side? I know they are not a major team, but they do compete in Asian tournaments. A mini-map seems the only logical solution. The Gulf Co-Operation flag is copyrighted, as I understand it.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-07T16:56:00.000Z","author":"MacRusgail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MacRusgail-2009-04-07T16:56:00.000Z-Ireland_again,_non_players_flags","replies":["c-Gnevin-2009-04-07T17:29:00.000Z-MacRusgail-2009-04-07T16:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
McRusgail does have a point on the provinces flag, it has been used in the past to represent Ireland in Rugby, why not now? Am playing devils advoccate here, not trying to start a row or anything but debate couldn't hurt GainLine ♠ 16:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I really don't see why we don't use the IRFU flag. The IRB uses that flag, most newspapers use that flag, blogs use that flag. That's the exact reason why this flag was created, so people wouldn't have to debate which flag to use when refering to the Irish national rugby team. I mean seriously, the International Rugby Board uses that flag on their website, in the little world of Rugby Union it doesn't get more official than this. Let's use the IRFU flag already! Saebhiar Adishatz 02:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-13T02:07:00.000Z","author":"Saebhiar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saebhiar-2009-04-13T02:07:00.000Z-Ireland_again,_non_players_flags","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-04-13T02:40:00.000Z-Saebhiar-2009-04-13T02:07:00.000Z"]}}-->
Just a heads up, I'm beginning to replace all Rugby Unions JPG logos with SVGs. So far I've done South-Africa 50px and Japan 50px most other important nations should also be up in the next couple of days. That is all. Saebhiar Adishatz 16:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-10T16:28:00.000Z","author":"Saebhiar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saebhiar-2009-04-10T16:28:00.000Z-Replacing_JPG_logos_with_SVG_versions","replies":["c-MacRusgail-2009-04-10T17:23:00.000Z-Saebhiar-2009-04-10T16:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
Two new beauties, Fiji and Samoa. I'm trying to find a vectorised version of Argentina's but it's one elusive little bugger. Saebhiar Adishatz 02:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-11T02:31:00.000Z","author":"Saebhiar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saebhiar-2009-04-11T02:31:00.000Z-Replacing_JPG_logos_with_SVG_versions","replies":["c-Saebhiar-2009-04-11T17:28:00.000Z-Saebhiar-2009-04-11T02:31:00.000Z"]}}-->
Ok, I've contacted the IRFU by email and I've got a reply (yay, I knew paying subs as a player for the last 10 years would help some day). Barry C, their website manager said it was ok to use their logo. I'm going to reply to him with the IRFU flag we have here, just to confirm they are okay with us using that particular flag. Hopefully (knock on wood) this madness will be resolved in the next couple of days. Saebhiar Adishatz 15:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-14T15:48:00.000Z","author":"Saebhiar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saebhiar-2009-04-14T15:48:00.000Z-The_Irish_flag_saga,_finally_a_breakthrough...","replies":[]}}-->
Fair play man! GainLine ♠ 16:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
We're one step closer, they seem open to the idea. I'm sending a cc-by-sa form to their marketing dept and hopefully this will be resolved soon. Saebhiar Adishatz 15:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-15T15:40:00.000Z","author":"Saebhiar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saebhiar-2009-04-15T15:40:00.000Z-The_Irish_flag_saga,_finally_a_breakthrough...","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-04-15T16:49:00.000Z-Saebhiar-2009-04-15T15:40:00.000Z","c-Kwib-2009-04-15T17:14:00.000Z-Saebhiar-2009-04-15T15:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
Bad news, they refused. For a moment I thought we had them but they said no. We're back to square one. Leave it to the Irish to come up with a flag and not allow anybody to use it. This country drives me nuts sometimes. Saebhiar Adishatz 16:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-29T16:01:00.000Z","author":"Saebhiar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saebhiar-2009-04-29T16:01:00.000Z-The_Irish_flag_saga,_finally_a_breakthrough...","replies":[]}}-->
Fairplay for trying GainLine ♠♥ 16:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-29T16:27:00.000Z","author":"GainLine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GainLine-2009-04-29T16:27:00.000Z-The_Irish_flag_saga,_finally_a_breakthrough...","replies":[]}}-->
About using the flag: "The IRFU Flag is the official flag of the Union and represents the Union and four provincial branches. The protocols vary for home and away matches but the IRFU Flag is always flown and is the one that can be used for information purposes in Wikipedia." About releasing it under license: "We would not be happy to grant such rights I’m afraid. The flag and our logo remain copyrighted to the IRFU and any and all usages of it must be sanctioned by us." So here we are, they're okay with us using the flag here, they just don't want to release it under license... Saebhiar Adishatz 03:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-30T03:56:00.000Z","author":"Saebhiar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saebhiar-2009-04-30T03:56:00.000Z-The_Irish_flag_saga,_finally_a_breakthrough...","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-04-30T09:21:00.000Z-Saebhiar-2009-04-30T03:56:00.000Z","c-Dramatic-2009-04-30T05:11:00.000Z-Saebhiar-2009-04-30T03:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
There's something odd here with Pool 3 - Saracens are shown as winning on points difference, but it's Cardiff who qualified for the quarter finals. Can anyone shed any light? — sjorford++ 16:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-18T16:03:00.000Z","author":"Sjorford","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sjorford-2009-04-18T16:03:00.000Z-2000\u201301_Heineken_Cup","replies":["c-Bcp67-2009-04-18T18:48:00.000Z-Sjorford-2009-04-18T16:03:00.000Z"]}}-->
I've eventually found the tables - from an archive of the BBC's website! [12] It doesn't explain the tie-breakers but it does show Cardiff top, which is enough for me to change the article. (It also shows Edinburgh above Leinster, presumably for the same reason.) — sjorford++ 08:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-19T08:14:00.000Z","author":"Sjorford","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sjorford-2009-04-19T08:14:00.000Z-2000\u201301_Heineken_Cup","replies":[]}}-->
I have nominated the above article for deletion. Please feel free to make your opinions about this article known at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008–09 Heineken Cup semi-final: Munster v Leinster. – PeeJay 18:46, 3 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-03T18:46:00.000Z","author":"PeeJay2K3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PeeJay2K3-2009-05-03T18:46:00.000Z-2008\u201309_Heineken_Cup_semi-final:_Munster_v_Leinster","replies":[],"displayName":"Pee"}}-->
On a related note, I have also nominated Ireland v Wales at 2009 Six Nations for deletion. Leave comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ireland v Wales at 2009 Six Nations. – PeeJay 02:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-08T02:19:00.000Z","author":"PeeJay2K3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PeeJay2K3-2009-05-08T02:19:00.000Z-2008\u201309_Heineken_Cup_semi-final:_Munster_v_Leinster","replies":[],"displayName":"Pee"}}-->
I'm thinking that (eventually) we need a series of annual articles covering domestic competitions in New Zealand prior to the establishement of the NPC in 1975. I don't know if there are any naming precedents, but how does (for example) 1922 domestic rugby union season in New Zealand sound? At the very least the articles would cover Ranfurly shield and Interisland games, but there should be sources somewhere for most interprovincial matches plus the champions of club competition in each union. dramatic (talk) 11:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-07T11:27:00.000Z","author":"Dramatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dramatic-2009-05-07T11:27:00.000Z-New_articles","replies":[]}}-->
Does anyone have a source for New Zealand's North vs South rugby union match fixtures from 1985 until the game was discontinued (which was 1995 at earliest - I think it died when Super Rugby was introduced.dramatic (talk) 02:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-08T02:26:00.000Z","author":"Dramatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dramatic-2009-05-08T02:26:00.000Z-Help_-_North_vs_South","replies":["c-Stormie-2009-05-08T02:51:00.000Z-Dramatic-2009-05-08T02:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
Does anyone know of we can use players photos off their club/country profile etc here? GainLine ♠ ♥ 22:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-14T22:48:00.000Z","author":"GainLine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GainLine-2009-05-14T22:48:00.000Z-Player_Profile_pics","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-05-15T00:23:00.000Z-GainLine-2009-05-14T22:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
Cheers for that GainLine ♠ ♥ 12:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-15T12:52:00.000Z","author":"GainLine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GainLine-2009-05-15T12:52:00.000Z-Player_Profile_pics","replies":[]}}-->
I've just finished the donkey-work on History of rugby union matches between Australia and South Africa. But i'm sure that there must be at least one good book on the history of this rivalry that someone could use to expand the prose section (except it isn't in New Zealand libraries :-) It would be good if we could find a good DYK hook as well - and a photo or two! It would be worth mentioning the "altitude advantage" in this article, too. Anything I could write about it would be original research, but the figures are there: Australia has won 6 from 19 (31%) at sea-level and only 2 from 17 (12%) up on the veldt. dramatic (talk) 08:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-16T08:41:00.000Z","author":"Dramatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dramatic-2009-05-16T08:41:00.000Z-History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_Australia_and_South_Africa","replies":["c-Sticks66-2009-05-18T08:17:00.000Z-Dramatic-2009-05-16T08:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
This template has been proposed for deletion. See discussion about the future of this template at Template talk:Sin bin. – PeeJay 09:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-16T09:58:00.000Z","author":"PeeJay2K3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PeeJay2K3-2009-05-16T09:58:00.000Z-Template:sin_bin","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-05-24T00:34:00.000Z-PeeJay2K3-2009-05-16T09:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Pee"}}-->
There is conflict over the hosts of the Rugby World Cup in the table on that page, specifically with regard to the 1991 tournament. Please could this project cast an eye over it. Discussion is Talk:Rugby World Cup#1991. Thanks. wjematherbigissue 16:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-19T16:33:00.000Z","author":"Wjemather","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wjemather-2009-05-19T16:33:00.000Z-Rugby_World_Cup","replies":[]}}-->
I have nominated this article for deletion. Please make comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grant Gilchrist. – PeeJay 23:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-27T23:20:00.000Z","author":"PeeJay2K3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PeeJay2K3-2009-05-27T23:20:00.000Z-Grant_Gilchrist","replies":[],"displayName":"Pee"}}-->
I've proposed the deletion of Hong Kong Scots Rugby Club - can anyone find evidence of its notability? There's nothing on Google, which makes me wonder if it's a complete hoax; even if it's not it will be a struggle to provide verifiable information about it. FlagSteward (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-31T12:19:00.000Z","author":"FlagSteward","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FlagSteward-2009-05-31T12:19:00.000Z-Hong_Kong_Scots_Rugby_Club","replies":["c-Grcampbell-2009-05-31T19:30:00.000Z-FlagSteward-2009-05-31T12:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
Please contribute to the discussion on article name at Talk:Auckland_1st_XV#Requested_Move. dramatic (talk) 06:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-16T06:39:00.000Z","author":"Dramatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dramatic-2009-06-16T06:39:00.000Z-Auckland_1st_XV","replies":[]}}-->
Folks, this article is in serious need of some references to reliable sources to support notability per WP:CLUB. – ukexpat (talk) 20:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-16T20:09:00.000Z","author":"Ukexpat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ukexpat-2009-06-16T20:09:00.000Z-Royal_Free,_University_College_and_Middlesex_Medical_Students_RFC","replies":[]}}-->
A discussion has arisen over whether rugby sevens ought to be moved to rugby union sevens. See Talk:Rugby_sevens.GordyB (talk) 19:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-18T19:57:00.000Z","author":"GordyB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GordyB-2009-06-18T19:57:00.000Z-Sevens","replies":[]}}-->
Coincidentally, with regard to the previous section, I recently substantially expanded the article 1993 Rugby World Cup Sevens to include a Background/History (because it was the first one), summary of the tournament (narrative); infobox; summary of qualifying tournaments and a full rundown of results (all rounds, finals, plate and bowl. Is this the right place to request a review as to quality (currently it is “stub” class)? Additionally, I have been quite careful about the flags used (Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Africa etc). But, lo and behold, the Ireland flag concerns me, because in the official programme the tricolor was used. Therefore, should the tricolor be used for this article? Kwib (talk) 12:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-22T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Kwib","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kwib-2009-06-22T12:01:00.000Z-1993_Rugby_World_Cup_Sevens","replies":["c-GainLine-2009-06-22T17:52:00.000Z-Kwib-2009-06-22T12:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
This chap played both rugby union (including earning one cap for Scotland) and rugby league. I have created a basic stub, but as a WP:FOOTY member, my knowledge of rugby is embarrasingly lacking, and any improvement would be appreciated! Cheers, GiantSnowman 17:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-22T17:12:00.000Z","author":"GiantSnowman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GiantSnowman-2009-06-22T17:12:00.000Z-Alex_Laidlaw","replies":[],"displayName":"Giant"}}-->
Hi, not a member of this WikiProject but a big fan of rugby. I saw that the Cricket WikiProject has started using a blank flag with a question mark to represent the unified Irish cricket team, so that "{{Cr|Ireland}}" appears as " Ireland". You can see a usage of that in a table here. I can't see how it would violate copyright or Wikipedia's policies to do the same with the Irish rugby team. It would certainly look a lot less awkward than having nothing. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 20:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-25T20:07:00.000Z","author":"YeshuaDavid","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-YeshuaDavid-2009-06-25T20:07:00.000Z-Ireland_flag_suggestion","replies":["c-PeeJay2K3-2009-06-25T21:46:00.000Z-YeshuaDavid-2009-06-25T20:07:00.000Z"]}}-->
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I would have thought that it shows the flag is disputed GainLine ♠ ♥ 22:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-25T22:02:00.000Z","author":"GainLine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GainLine-2009-06-25T22:02:00.000Z-Ireland_flag_suggestion","replies":["c-Andrwsc-2009-06-25T22:09:00.000Z-GainLine-2009-06-25T22:02:00.000Z"]}}-->
Sorry thats not what I meant, I would have thought that it signifies that there is a reason another flag can't be used. Theres good precedent for its use. I dont believe its an "invented" flag either GainLine ♠ ♥ 22:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-25T22:36:00.000Z","author":"GainLine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GainLine-2009-06-25T22:36:00.000Z-Ireland_flag_suggestion","replies":["c-Andrwsc-2009-06-25T22:43:00.000Z-GainLine-2009-06-25T22:36:00.000Z"]}}-->
My apolgies, I didnt think it was a flag, just a signifier for where a flag couldnt be used GainLine ♠ ♥ 22:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-25T22:48:00.000Z","author":"GainLine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GainLine-2009-06-25T22:48:00.000Z-Ireland_flag_suggestion","replies":["c-Andrwsc-2009-06-25T23:10:00.000Z-GainLine-2009-06-25T22:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
Probably not the way things aer looking :( GainLine ♠ ♥ 09:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-26T09:13:00.000Z","author":"GainLine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GainLine-2009-06-26T09:13:00.000Z-Ireland_flag_suggestion","replies":[]}}-->
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