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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Eminent Jay Jay Johnson, Vols. 1 & 2#Requested move 6 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240107194900","author":"Vanderwaalforces","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vanderwaalforces-20240107194900-Requested_move_at_Talk:The_Eminent_Jay_Jay_Johnson,_Vols._1_&_2#Requested_move_6","replies":[]}}-->

I'm trying to follow the advice of Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice, but I don't quite know how to follow the spirit of the rule.

If I may use an example from Triplicate, I recently edited this track listing:

As Holland, Coleman, and DeJohnette are named and linked in the lead, I unlinked them, and removed the first names in the track listing, while keeping the full name and link in the personnel section.

Am I in the wrong? Should the trio's names be linked with full names on first appearances in the section?

And, if so, would the mention of Holland as writer preclude the the full name on his arrangement credited? TlonicChronic (talk) 19:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231214190100","author":"TlonicChronic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TlonicChronic-20231214190100-Track_listing:_linking_and_naming","replies":["c-Amojobim-20240108012400-TlonicChronic-20231214190100"]}}-->

I think that's right since links should appear at most once per page. Amojobim (talk) 01:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240108012400","author":"Amojobim","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Amojobim-20240108012400-TlonicChronic-20231214190100","replies":["c-TlonicChronic-20240108013800-Amojobim-20240108012400"]}}-->

Does that apply to the the names of publications in the rating box and musicians in the personnel section? (I'm fine applying the guidelines, whatever they are, but as a user, I kinda like the double linking.) And if so, which links take precedent? I would assume lead for musicians and rating box for publications? TlonicChronic (talk) 01:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240108013800","author":"TlonicChronic","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TlonicChronic-20240108013800-Amojobim-20240108012400","replies":[]}}-->

Talk:Jimmy Smith (musician)#Discography

Does the Jimmy Smith discography merit its own page? TlonicChronic (talk) 17:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240108175300","author":"TlonicChronic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TlonicChronic-20240108175300-Jimmy_Smith_discography","replies":["c-Amojobim-20240111155100-TlonicChronic-20240108175300"]}}-->

It does look like there is critical mass for a separate article, but I am not sure what the policy is exactly. Amojobim (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240111155100","author":"Amojobim","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Amojobim-20240111155100-TlonicChronic-20240108175300","replies":["c-Mach61-20240111161500-Amojobim-20240111155100"]}}-->

The policy is WP:LISTN, which is easily met for Smith. Do it. Mach61 (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240111161500","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mach61-20240111161500-Amojobim-20240111155100","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, recently started contributing. I just added a missing album that was released recently. Can anybody approve the addition please? Amojobim (talk) 15:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240111155000","author":"Amojobim","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amojobim-20240111155000-Added_album","replies":["c-Mach61-20240111174200-Amojobim-20240111155000"]}}-->

 Done, declined unfortunately Mach61 (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240111174200","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mach61-20240111174200-Amojobim-20240111155000","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Incredible Jimmy Smith at the Organ#Requested move 16 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240116211300","author":"Vanderwaalforces","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vanderwaalforces-20240116211300-Requested_move_at_Talk:The_Incredible_Jimmy_Smith_at_the_Organ#Requested_move_16","replies":[]}}-->

You may be interested in participating in this deletion discussion. Mach61 (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240119155400","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mach61-20240119155400-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Jazz_Recital","replies":["c-EddieHugh-20240120201200-Mach61-20240119155400"]}}-->

Thanks. I improved that one after seeing this alert. EddieHugh (talk) 20:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240120201200","author":"EddieHugh","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-EddieHugh-20240120201200-Mach61-20240119155400","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Early Years of a Genius, 44–48#Requested move 19 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240119225100","author":"Vanderwaalforces","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vanderwaalforces-20240119225100-Requested_move_at_Talk:Early_Years_of_a_Genius,_44\u201348#Requested_move_19_Januar","replies":[]}}-->

I was kindly provided with this list of unreferenced jazz articles, in case you would like a pointer. Cheers, Mach61 (talk) 05:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240202054200","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mach61-20240202054200-Would_anyone_like_to_participate_in_the_uncited_articles_backlog_drive?","replies":[]}}-->

Could someone other than the original author explain why there is a need to have three separate articles for:

• The Amazing Bud Powell
• The Amazing Bud Powell, Vol. 2
• The Amazing Bud Powell, Vols. 1 & 2

If there are different releases, variations, or formats, couldn't that explanation be done within the individual articles for each volume? The combined article treats them as distinct using many of the same sources, so why confuse the matter? Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 01:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240122013800","author":"Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20240122013800-The_Amazing_Bud_Powell","replies":["c-Mach61-20240122014600-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20240122013800","c-TlonicChronic-20240213155800-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20240122013800"]}}-->

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars I'd actually prefer to delete the article on the combined release, disambiguate "The Amazing Bud Powell" with vol.1, and create a dab page at that title between the two volumes and the CD release. I see no evidence the combined release is notable, while each of the individual volumes definitely are, and I don't think a merger is more helpful to the readers. Mach61 (talk) 01:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240122014600","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mach61-20240122014600-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20240122013800","replies":[]}}-->

I never saw this post, sorry!

There are four separate albums here: two 10" studio albums (5003 and 5041), and two 12" compilation albums (1503/04). Most sources deal primarily with the latter two, very few deal with the former. Compare with BLP 1501/02, BLP 1505/06, BLP 1510/11, BLP 1521/22. TlonicChronic (talk) 15:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240213155800","author":"TlonicChronic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TlonicChronic-20240213155800-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20240122013800","replies":[]}}-->

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Henry Mancini § Piccolo in infobox. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:34, 22 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240222053400","author":"Sjones23","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sjones23-20240222053400-Discussion_at_Talk:Henry_Mancini_\u00a7_Piccolo_in_infobox","replies":[],"displayName":"Lord Sjones23"}}-->