I happened to see a link that led to WikiProject Jazz/Popular pages: "This is a list of pages in the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Jazz along with pageviews." This is list of jazz musicians sorted by the number of views that get in one day. I have some doubts about the names included on this list. Why is Diana Ross within the scope of Wikiproject Jazz? Or Barbara Streisand? As far as I know Amy Winehouse recorded one song with Tony Bennett. That doesn't make her a jazz singer. Steely Dan isn't jazz as Donald Fagen and Walter Becker. Here are some entries I have doubts about.–Vmavanti (talk) 01:23, 25 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-25T01:23:00.000Z","author":"Vmavanti","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vmavanti-2017-12-25T01:23:00.000Z-Popular_pages","replies":[]}}-->
I created the Talk page for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jazz/Popular pages and added the first post about jazz/not jazz. My conclusions about the top ten:
It was not my intent to derail the conversation by creating the Talk Page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Jazz/Popular_pages, so I'll keep my comments here. To the subject: That page tells me what readers are looking up, and it tells me that they are being given a false idea of what jazz is. Not the end of the world, but it's a disservice to the real jazz musicians. I wonder what names would be on that list after removing Diana Ross and Barbara Streisand and so on. Readers might want to know. A better list would make for more fruitful searches.–Vmavanti (talk) 16:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-03T16:01:00.000Z","author":"Vmavanti","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vmavanti-2018-01-03T16:01:00.000Z-Popular_pages_continued","replies":["c-AllyD-2018-01-04T09:41:00.000Z-Vmavanti-2018-01-03T16:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
There are a lot of what I feel are misplaced jazz templates on this article. While many of these musicians individually were jazz musicians the music that they played collectively as (has been named years later) the Wrecking Crew is not jazz. I would just remove them but, especially seeing the discussions happening here, thought I'd bring it up first. I might also weigh in as to who is and is not a jazz musician, after checking the sources, of course. Carptrash (talk) 19:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-04T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Carptrash","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carptrash-2018-01-04T19:45:00.000Z-The_Wrecking_Crew","replies":["c-AllyD-2018-01-10T10:35:00.000Z-Carptrash-2018-01-04T19:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
Can someone check the article 1952 in jazz for the information on Michael Wolff. I've come across Michael Wolff (musician), where the citizenship is American and birth date is 31 July 1952, both contradicting what is provided under 1952 in jazz. Thanks, MT TrainDiscuss 13:59, 9 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-09T13:59:00.000Z","author":"Mark the train","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mark_the_train-2018-01-09T13:59:00.000Z-Michael_Wolff","replies":["c-Vmavanti-2018-01-10T18:23:00.000Z-Mark_the_train-2018-01-09T13:59:00.000Z"],"displayName":"MT Train"}}-->
Determining whether a person is a jazz musician might seem like a hair-splitting, academic task, but it's simple most of the time. My approach is to ask questions such as
These questions are aimed at defining a body of work. I try to find representative characteristics rather than exceptions. Barbara Streisand at the beginning of her career sang standards. But most of her career has been spent in pop, rock, musicals, and so on. Diana Ross portrayed Billie Holiday in the movie Lady Sing the Blues. But most of her career has been in pop, rock, and R&B.–Vmavanti (talk) 18:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-10T18:49:00.000Z","author":"Vmavanti","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vmavanti-2018-01-10T18:49:00.000Z-Jazz?_Not_jazz?","replies":[]}}-->
I've been caught in a no-win situation in my attempt to learn and then analyze what articles are within the purview of Wikiproject Jazz. On one hand, some have said to me that I need to use sources to decide what articles to include or exclude from the project. Others have said, like one person today, that "the scope of a project is something that's decided by the participants themselves, and not by sources." If that's true, that's great news. That means I get to use my judgment rather than sources, which I can do but it takes a lot more time. I would love to use my own judgment, but I have been repeatedly criticized for it.
This raises the question: Who are the participants in Wikiproject Jazz? There's a list on the project page. But they don't comment on the project's Talk Page except for EddieHugh and AllyD. If the participants want to include articles in the jazz project which are on the fringes of jazz, or which are not jazz at all, then they have to let me know. There ought to be some mechanism for participants to let their feelings known—instead of after the fact, after I've removed the template and incurred the Wrath of Khan because someone's hero is Frank Zappa or Van Morrisson. I know all about Wikipedian flux, but spinning wheels endlessly doesn't interest me. I want to get something done. Let's clean up these articles.–Vmavanti (talk) 23:52, 16 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-16T23:52:00.000Z","author":"Vmavanti","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vmavanti-2018-01-16T23:52:00.000Z-Who_decides?","replies":["c-NeilN-2018-01-17T14:54:00.000Z-Vmavanti-2018-01-16T23:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hey all - I just approved this article at AfC and I really can't figure out if this group is appropriately experimental or avante. They're regularly referred to as avante but I wonder if it's appropriate to add experimental too? (The article is currently undergoing a significant edit back-and-forth between two editors so it may be easier to read this prose version of the page until it settles down - it was recently turned into a list). Chetsford (talk) 21:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-17T21:56:00.000Z","author":"Chetsford","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chetsford-2018-01-17T21:56:00.000Z-Experimental_or_Avante?","replies":["c-Vmavanti-2018-02-06T17:40:00.000Z-Chetsford-2018-01-17T21:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
Category:Solo piano jazz albums has been revived. There are more than 200 albums in there now and I'm creating more, but please add the category to any album you know of that fits the description (I opt for "most of the tracks are solo piano jazz"). Or create more solo piano jazz album articles! EddieHugh (talk) 20:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-02T20:56:00.000Z","author":"EddieHugh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EddieHugh-2018-01-02T20:56:00.000Z-Solo_piano_jazz_albums","replies":["c-EddieHugh-2018-02-12T19:34:00.000Z-EddieHugh-2018-01-02T20:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
A discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RfC:_Ending_the_system_of_portals may be of interest. Looking at Portal:Jazz, the page itself has had a couple of active editors, mainly in 2007 and 2014, but looks a relatively stable view, providing some random selected content and some article stats. It seems to average around 30 page views per day. It is also worth noting that Portal talk:Jazz has attracted a few notifications which would have been better placed here. AllyD (talk) 07:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-09T07:17:00.000Z","author":"AllyD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AllyD-2018-04-09T07:17:00.000Z-Portal:Jazz_etc.","replies":[]}}-->
The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.
Portals are being redesigned.
The new design features are being applied to existing portals.
At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.
The discussion about this can be found here.
Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.
There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.
Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.
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If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.
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Thank you. — The Transhumanist 07:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-30T07:43:00.000Z","author":"The Transhumanist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Transhumanist-2018-05-30T07:43:00.000Z-Background","replies":[]}}-->
Hello fellow Wikipedians and jazz enthusiasts! I've recorded several audio clips of the infamous "The Lick" cliché on guitar and bass (from jazzy to completely metal - my own interpretation). I'm sure some of you will find it useful to illustrate The Lick (music) (@Wpgbrown: who maintains this article). Skimel (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-06-24T21:28:00.000Z","author":"Skimel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Skimel-2018-06-24T21:28:00.000Z-The_Lick","replies":["c-Wpgbrown-2018-06-24T21:29:00.000Z-Skimel-2018-06-24T21:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
So, I have been working on a jazz piece, and I came across some terms that I don't know. Like, swing in eighth notes, and swing in sixteenth notes or ballad tempo,ans lastly, double time. Could someone please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C2:400:190:8D10:FB8F:7EA9:DD4D (talk) 18:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-08-14T18:08:00.000Z","author":"2601:2C2:400:190:8D10:FB8F:7EA9:DD4D","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:2C2:400:190:8D10:FB8F:7EA9:DD4D-2018-08-14T18:08:00.000Z-Jazz_questions_and_answers","replies":["c-EddieHugh-2018-08-15T13:35:00.000Z-2601:2C2:400:190:8D10:FB8F:7EA9:DD4D-2018-08-14T18:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
I am concerned about AllMusic reviews in jazz articles. I read articles on jazz every day and, in nearly every article, there is one AllMusic review, usually by the same few critics. To me, the critical perspective from AllMusic seems one-sided and needs to be balanced with other views to represent the topic fairly. Also, the review usually does not offer something analytical or historic to the article but rather one critic's feeling that the music is good or bad. I suspect that AllMusic has edited all of these articles for the sake of promoting their brand. I would suggest removing the AllMusic review when no other reviews from different sources are offered. I've tried this and moderators reversed my change, suggesting that I add another source rather than removing the AllMusic review. However, since I couldn't possibly research and edit such an enormous number of articles, what other way is the most effective way to deal with this issue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMendelssohn (talk • contribs) 04:07, 7 September 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-07T04:07:00.000Z","author":"AMendelssohn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AMendelssohn-2018-09-07T04:07:00.000Z-AllMusic_reviews","replies":["c-EddieHugh-2018-09-07T10:43:00.000Z-AMendelssohn-2018-09-07T04:07:00.000Z","c-AllyD-2018-09-07T11:10:00.000Z-AMendelssohn-2018-09-07T04:07:00.000Z","c-AllyD-2018-09-07T11:21:00.000Z-AMendelssohn-2018-09-07T04:07:00.000Z"]}}-->
I noticed this ongoing discussion whch may be of interest to participants here. AllyD (talk) 12:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-04T12:20:00.000Z","author":"AllyD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AllyD-2018-10-04T12:20:00.000Z-Discussion_regarding_genres","replies":[]}}-->
This section has a restrained or doubtful tone which does not accord with other sources I have found, which indicate a vibrant jazz scene in Warsaw.
One such source is the book "Warsaw 1944: Hitler, Himmler, and the Warsaw Uprising," by Alexandra Richie https://books.google.com/books?id=_RoKAgAAQBAJ "Warsaw: 1944"
See in particular, pages 112-115: "Above all, Warsaw revelled in all things from across the Atlantic.... Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington were popular ..."
Also see this article online, "A History of Jazz in Poland," based on information from polishjazz.com:
"It was also after the First World War that jazz began to spread to Europe and in 1923 the first Polish jazz band was formed by saxophonist Zygmunt Karasinski, pianist/clarinettist Szymon Kataszek, pianist Jerzy Petersburski and drummer Sam Salvano. It was called The Karasinski and Kataszek Jazz – Tango Orchestra and played music in the style of Paul Whiteman and Red Nichols. The band was so successful it toured Europe and the Middle East in 1934-35. Other bands were formed, playing for movies and recording and in 1934, the Polish National Opera staged the opera ‘Jazz Band, Negro and Woman’.
"The growth of jazz was enhanced by many Jewish musicians who left neighbouring Germany for Poland in the early 1930s. Trumpeter Ady Rosner was one of those who arrived to form a swinging orchestra with Polish musicians. When Poland was again invaded in 1939, Rosner escaped to Russia where he went from being the highest paid musician to being made a gulag prisoner before re-emerging to become a driving force in Soviet Jazz.
"As the 1930s came to an end, swinging big bands were as popular in Poland as they were elsewhere and the magazines Melody Maker, Down Beat and Metronome were arriving together with more American recorded music." https://www.sandybrownjazz.co.uk/forumpolishjazz.html
Michael Hurwicz (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-10T19:17:00.000Z","author":"Michaelhurwicz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Michaelhurwicz-2018-11-10T19:17:00.000Z-Before_communism_(1930\u201339)","replies":["c-EddieHugh-2018-11-10T20:01:00.000Z-Michaelhurwicz-2018-11-10T19:17:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Michael Hurwicz"}}-->
The album releases under the 1991 section of the "1990s in jazz" article are different from the album releases in the 1991 in jazz article. I already fixed the 1990 problem by combining the lists together. Are the listed albums arbitrarily picked, or is it possible to standardize it by only listing the top 25 most popular albums from each year for example? I think the billboard jazz lists don't go further back than the 1990s. MDaxo (talk) 23:20, 16 November 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-16T23:20:00.000Z","author":"MDaxo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MDaxo-2018-11-16T23:20:00.000Z-I_noticed_that_there_are_inconsistencies_between_album_release_lists_in_each_yea","replies":["c-AllyD-2018-11-17T09:03:00.000Z-MDaxo-2018-11-16T23:20:00.000Z"]}}-->
I recently wrote an article on Noah K and wanted to suggest its inclusion in WikiProject Jazz. Thank you Artaria195 (talk) 15:31, 19 November 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-19T15:31:00.000Z","author":"Artaria195","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Artaria195-2018-11-19T15:31:00.000Z-Inclusion_of_article_on_Noah_K","replies":["c-EddieHugh-2018-11-19T21:00:00.000Z-Artaria195-2018-11-19T15:31:00.000Z"]}}-->
There is an RFC at Talk:Stéphane_Grappelli#RFC:_Gay regarding whether or not the article should state that the subject was gay. Please provide your perspective! –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-26T04:06:00.000Z","author":"Roscelese","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Roscelese-2018-11-26T04:06:00.000Z-RFC_at_St\u00e9phane_Grappelli","replies":[]}}-->
I told EddieHugh I was going to look at assessments, something I have spent almost no time addressing. Fairly quickly I wrote a list of musicians I thought deserved to be ranked "High" on the importance scale. A list like this will of course be subjective and debatable. I hope the entries are uncontroversial. Nothing is chiseled in stone, and neither my life nor my ego are riding on being "right". I tried to keep the list short. I posted it here because I was uncertain where else to put it. The purpose is guidance, orientation, help for anyone contributing to Wikproject Jazz.–Vmavanti (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-27T20:41:00.000Z","author":"Vmavanti","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vmavanti-2018-11-27T20:41:00.000Z-Assessment","replies":[]}}-->
There is a discussion at Talk:Great American Songbook#The future of this article as to how to deal with the uncited lists of songwriters, songs, and singers in that article. Please join the discussion if it interests you. Softlavender (talk) 02:43, 20 December 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-20T02:43:00.000Z","author":"Softlavender","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Softlavender-2018-12-20T02:43:00.000Z-The_Great_American_Songbook","replies":[]}}-->
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