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Does anyone in this project have a list of notable paralympic athletes? Thanks! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:29, 21 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-21T17:29:00.000Z","author":"Megalibrarygirl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-21T17:29:00.000Z-Paralympic_athletes","replies":["c-Dodger67-2017-08-21T18:29:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-21T17:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Megalibrarygirl ask at Paralympics task force, though the short answer is that per WP:NOLYMPICS all Paralympians who have won a medal are presumed notable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:29, 21 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-21T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2017-08-21T18:29:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-21T17:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-21T20:40:00.000Z-Dodger67-2017-08-21T18:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

@Dodger67: Awesome, I'll check it out! Women in Red is doing an editathon on Olympic athletes, and I thought adding paralympic athletes to our lists would be appropriate. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:40, 21 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-21T20:40:00.000Z","author":"Megalibrarygirl","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-21T20:40:00.000Z-Dodger67-2017-08-21T18:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2017-08-22T06:23:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-21T20:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Megalibrarygirl it's great to see how often a WIR project intersects with disability. Perhaps we should plan something that intentionally intersects instead of just an occasional co-incidence. When I get a good stretch of free time I want to really get stuck into Draft:Disability and women's health. I've managed to collect a bunch of good sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:23, 22 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-22T06:23:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dodger67-2017-08-22T06:23:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-21T20:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-22T16:55:00.000Z-Dodger67-2017-08-22T06:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I suspect that since many of us on WiR are working to keep people from being erased from history that the goals of WP:Disability are similar to ours: people living with disability are also often erased or ignored in history. I think that's why it intersects so often. At WiR, we'd love to do an editathon of women with disabilities or disability activists in the future. I've suggested it tentatively for November 2017. Would that work for you, Dodger67? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-22T16:55:00.000Z","author":"Megalibrarygirl","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-22T16:55:00.000Z-Dodger67-2017-08-22T06:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2017-08-22T19:29:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-22T16:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

November's good for me, my university exams will be over by then. Is there a planning sandbox yet where we can discuss some ideas? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:29, 22 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-22T19:29:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Dodger67-2017-08-22T19:29:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2017-08-22T16:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I have created these articles with relevant to deafness,relating to a particular nation at Deaflympics.These articles also categorised under disability.These articles are stub classed and needed to be improved. Abishe (talk) 11:20, 23 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-23T11:20:00.000Z","author":"Abishe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Abishe-2017-08-23T11:20:00.000Z-United_States_at_the_Deaflympics_and_South_Africa_at_the_Deaflympics","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Friends! Here is the current draft of my project proposal: Investigating the Impact of Implicit Bias on Wikipedia. I value your input and would greatly appreciate your feedback. Please share it on the project proposal discussion page. Thank you in advance! Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 21:53, 7 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-07T21:53:00.000Z","author":"Jackiekoerner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jackiekoerner-2017-10-07T21:53:00.000Z-Feedback_needed_on_project_proposal:_Investigating_the_Impact_of_Implicit_Bias_o","replies":[]}}-->

Could someone from WP:DISAB take a look at Glasgow Gladiators Powerchair FC and assess it? It's newly created (possibly by a person or persons connected to the team) and it does not appear to meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG. It guess might be notable as a "wheelchair football team", but I am not sure if there any specific guidelines for such teams. I did find this, but again I'm not sure if even something such as the Scottish Powerchair Football Association is Wikipedia notable. There's also this and this which may be helpful in showing notability, but which can most likely be used to cite article content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:19, 30 November 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-30T04:19:00.000Z","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marchjuly-2017-11-30T04:19:00.000Z-Glasgow_Gladiators_Powerchair_FC","replies":[]}}-->

There is a discussion going on at Talk:Spoon theory which is relevant to WikiProject Disability. There has been mention of redirecting the page. Your input would be appreciated.- Nocowardsoulismine (talk) 17:18, 1 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-01T17:18:00.000Z","author":"Nocowardsoulismine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nocowardsoulismine-2017-12-01T17:18:00.000Z-Spoon_theory","replies":[]}}-->

The subcategories under Category:Disability culture appear to be somewhat repetitive and sometimes even "circular" instead of hierarchical as category trees are meant to be. Some careful pruning, by merging and/or splitting various subcategories, is needed to tidy up the tangle. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:45, 15 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-15T14:45:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2018-01-15T14:45:00.000Z-Category:Disability_culture_needs_some_attention","replies":["c-Jackiekoerner-2018-01-16T22:13:00.000Z-Dodger67-2018-01-15T14:45:00.000Z","c-Dodger67-2018-01-24T12:42:00.000Z-Dodger67-2018-01-15T14:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I'll look at it this week, Dodger67. I am sure others will too! Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 22:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-16T22:13:00.000Z","author":"Jackiekoerner","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jackiekoerner-2018-01-16T22:13:00.000Z-Dodger67-2018-01-15T14:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi all, I've spent some time in hospital with limited internet access, hence no movement on this from me yet. My main concern about the subcategories of Disability Culture is the substantial overlap/duplication/circularity between Category:Disability in the arts, Category:Disability media and Category:Works about disability. However, the boundary between arts and media is inherently fuzzy at best, so some overlap should be expected. I suspect we might find that the "Works about disability" category is largely - or even entirely - redundant, but I am not willing to make that determination all by myself. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:42, 24 January 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-24T12:42:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2018-01-24T12:42:00.000Z-Dodger67-2018-01-15T14:45:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

If anyone is interested in collaborating on the Special Hockey article, please message me on my talk page. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-14T19:12:00.000Z","author":"Flibirigit","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Flibirigit-2018-03-14T19:12:00.000Z-Request_for_collaboration_from_WikiProject_Ice_Hockey","replies":["c-Flibirigit-2018-03-15T01:10:00.000Z-Flibirigit-2018-03-14T19:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have rewritten the Special Hockey article, and spun off the Special Hockey International article. Any help is appreciated. Flibirigit (talk) 01:10, 15 March 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-15T01:10:00.000Z","author":"Flibirigit","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Flibirigit-2018-03-15T01:10:00.000Z-Flibirigit-2018-03-14T19:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2018-03-18T12:40:00.000Z-Flibirigit-2018-03-15T01:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've done a few tweaks. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:40, 18 March 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-18T12:40:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dodger67-2018-03-18T12:40:00.000Z-Flibirigit-2018-03-15T01:10:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I have proposed deletion of the article PhoneCaption.com. The article appears to fail notability criteria at WP:WEBCRIT. Its sole source is currently a nearly-blank page on subject's own domain. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 10:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-15T10:26:00.000Z","author":"Matt Fitzpatrick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Matt_Fitzpatrick-2018-05-15T10:26:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_PhoneCaption.com","replies":[]}}-->

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

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At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

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Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   07:34, 30 May 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-30T07:34:00.000Z","author":"The Transhumanist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Transhumanist-2018-05-30T07:34:00.000Z-Background","replies":[]}}-->

This section makes unsubstantiated claims about F.C.Rein & the so-called acoustic throne & needs revision. As I did some research on that I am unable to edit the pageHStiles1 (talk) 09:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-12T09:31:00.000Z","author":"HStiles1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HStiles1-2018-10-12T09:31:00.000Z-History_of_Hearing_Aids","replies":["c-Dodger67-2018-10-12T09:49:00.000Z-HStiles1-2018-10-12T09:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's about the History of hearing aids page. HStiles1 thanks for giving the details on the talk page. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:49, 12 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-12T09:49:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2018-10-12T09:49:00.000Z-HStiles1-2018-10-12T09:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

There's a question about at whether TTY is still common/useful/used at voy:en:Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub#TTY, TDD - w:Telecommunications device for the deaf. Please reply there. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:22, 24 December 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-24T01:22:00.000Z","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-2018-12-24T01:22:00.000Z-TTY","replies":[]}}-->

I would like to propose that we as a Wikiproject collectively make a serious attempt to complete the Disability in <Country> set of articles by the end of 2019. These articles are meant to be summaries of the full range of disability-related issues and topics in each country. Some fairly good examples of such articles are Disability in Australia, Disability in South Africa, Disability in China and Disability in the Philippines, try to follow them as examples for starting new articles or improving other existing ones. Do also post to the relevant country wikiproject when starting an article to invite interested editors outside of this project to participate. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:27, 7 January 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-07T13:27:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2019-01-07T13:27:00.000Z-Project_proposal_for_2019","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Hallo, I've just been doing some work on "India's blade runner" Kiran Kanoji and can't find an article about running blades in general - there's Mechanics of Oscar Pistorius's running blades about OP's blades in particular, and the general Prosthesis which has a section Prosthesis#Oscar_Pistorius within Prosthesis#Prosthetic_enhancement, although that section is more about robotics etc rather than sophisticated blades. There doesn't seem to be anything in the encyclopedia about running blades in general. Am I missing something, or would someone here like to start an article? I've put a similar message at Talk:Mechanics of Oscar Pistorius's running blades. PamD 11:12, 11 March 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-11T11:12:00.000Z","author":"PamD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PamD-2019-03-11T11:12:00.000Z-Running_blades","replies":["c-Dodger67-2019-03-18T21:19:00.000Z-PamD-2019-03-11T11:12:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Pam"}}-->

Hi PamD, post a note about this to WT:WikiProject Paralympics too. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-18T21:19:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2019-03-18T21:19:00.000Z-PamD-2019-03-11T11:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2019-03-18T21:22:00.000Z-Dodger67-2019-03-18T21:19:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Nevermind, I see you've already done that. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:22, 18 March 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-18T21:22:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dodger67-2019-03-18T21:22:00.000Z-Dodger67-2019-03-18T21:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

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The overwhelming majority of persons listed on the People with Dyslexia page are white. I recognized about 70% of the names on the list, and could only identify a handful not of Caucasian descent. Is anyone able to research and add notable people of color to this list, to make representation more accurate and equitable? Jlukechitwood (talk) 14:50, 9 July 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-07-09T14:50:00.000Z","author":"Jlukechitwood","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jlukechitwood-2019-07-09T14:50:00.000Z-Why_are_people_of_color_not_better_represented_on_the_People_with_Dyslexia_page?","replies":["c-Dodger67-2019-08-28T17:10:00.000Z-Jlukechitwood-2019-07-09T14:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Jlukechitwood The general WP:systemic bias of the English Wikipedia is partly to blame of course. Dyslexia also does not exist in languages with logographic writing systems, such as Chinese, so that automatically excludes a large proportion of the world's "other than white" population. In many developing countries with low literacy rates and/or underdeveloped education systems dyslexia is only rarely diagnosed, which excludes another large chunk of the global population. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-08-28T17:10:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2019-08-28T17:10:00.000Z-Jlukechitwood-2019-07-09T14:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

The current talkpage template, {{WikiProject Disability}}, uses . I propose switching to the more modern as per http://accessibleicon.org. Any opinions? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 03:42, 6 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-06T03:42:00.000Z","author":"Evolution and evolvability","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Evolution_and_evolvability-2019-05-06T03:42:00.000Z-WikiProject_talk_page_symbol_update","replies":["c-Dodger67-2019-06-20T16:45:00.000Z-Evolution_and_evolvability-2019-05-06T03:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)"}}-->

Evolution and evolvability Only if/when it actually becomes an ISO 7001 standard symbol. Currently the symbol is the subject of quite a lot of advocacy and campaigning to become a new global standard, but it has not happened yet. Using it would violate the neutrality policy of WP, redardless of how much we might like the new symbol (I do). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:45, 20 June 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-06-20T16:45:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2019-06-20T16:45:00.000Z-Evolution_and_evolvability-2019-05-06T03:42:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I'm for updating it to the new more active one. I tend to believe that it's better to represent PwD well and actively than wait until ISO changes something that may or may not affect them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgifford (talk • contribs) 03:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-07-12T03:03:00.000Z","author":"Mgifford","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mgifford-2019-07-12T03:03:00.000Z-WikiProject_talk_page_symbol_update","replies":["c-WhatamIdoing-2019-09-03T15:41:00.000Z-Mgifford-2019-07-12T03:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

Articles are required to be neutral. This group isn't. If you all like a different symbol better, then use it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-09-03T15:41:00.000Z","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-2019-09-03T15:41:00.000Z-Mgifford-2019-07-12T03:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Delaneyjlindsay (talk) 18:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-18T18:18:00.000Z","author":"Delaneyjlindsay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Delaneyjlindsay-2019-11-18T18:18:00.000Z-Hale_Zukas_disability_activist","replies":["c-Dodger67-2019-11-19T21:48:00.000Z-Delaneyjlindsay-2019-11-18T18:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Delaneyjlindsay Why have you pasted a copy of a draft article here? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-19T21:48:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2019-11-19T21:48:00.000Z-Delaneyjlindsay-2019-11-18T18:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Dear ladies and gentlemen, after watching the award-winning disability short film Draft:Malou (film) in Basel I was searching for its English wikipedia article and found a draft that is under review for more than two months. According to the help information I kindly would like to ask the possibility of a review. I think that would be an enrichment for all searching users. The given plot is currently concealing the story twist at its end, but Malou sets an important message in favor of all disabled human beings in order to embolden them pursuing their dreams and to turn the public spotlight on the unequal opportunities. Thank you very much! Kind regards Sly.bourbon (talk) 13:38, 4 November 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-04T13:38:00.000Z","author":"Sly.bourbon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sly.bourbon-2019-11-04T13:38:00.000Z-Request_for_review_of_article_about_disability_film_\"Malou\"","replies":["c-Dodger67-2019-11-19T22:05:00.000Z-Sly.bourbon-2019-11-04T13:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Sly.bourbon the AFC process is currently severely backlogged, so there's nothing to do but wait. However while you wait you could certainly expand the plot description - and please don't hide the ending. If you can find a few published professional reviews that might also help the draft's chance of being accepted. I didn't find any in English, but if you understand German you might have better luck. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:05, 19 November 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-19T22:05:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2019-11-19T22:05:00.000Z-Sly.bourbon-2019-11-04T13:38:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

This is a bit of an aide-mémoire, but I have just run across a categorization system for describing disability that I think will be useful to us. It divides the broad concept of disability into these three categories:

Inherent

The isolated medical differences: inability to see, hear, walk, breathe, etc. independently; the need for medical care; short lifepsans; pain and the problems of treating pain; and so forth.

Access

The mostly physical problems that laws usually address: stairs vs ramps vs elevators, providing Braille or electronic alternatives to books for blind people, that sort of thing.

Social

The attitude problem: patronizing attention, inappropriate assumptions, staring at people who look different, etc.

If we can get a couple of good sources, then I think this might help us organize some of our content better. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:53, 3 September 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-09-03T15:53:00.000Z","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-2019-09-03T15:53:00.000Z-On_disability","replies":["c-Dodger67-2019-11-19T22:21:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2019-09-03T15:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi WhatamIdoing, apologies for the very slow response, I've had a pretty rough time lately in terms pf health and work, so I've done very little on WP lately. It's an interesting concept , I can see how it could potentially be a useful "layer" in the category tree, perhaps we could work on a few implementation ideas. The terminology used for the "labels" are rather unusual, the more common terminology is: "Impairment" "Accessibility" and "Societal attitudes about disability" - though accessibility is closely interwoven with social attitudes, so the boundary between them gets quite blurry. Do you remember anything about the source where you found this? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:21, 19 November 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-19T22:21:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2019-11-19T22:21:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2019-09-03T15:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-WhatamIdoing-2019-11-20T17:30:00.000Z-Dodger67-2019-11-19T22:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Thanks for the ping. I think it was an op-ed that explained this in passing. It wasn't really useful as a source.

I agree that the boundaries can be blurry. Society enables access to some people and not others, e.g., providing cheap eyeglasses to some people, but refusing to replace or bypass staircases in some old buildings for others, or prioritizing the needs of blind people (who need to know where the sidewalk stops and the parking lot starts) over the needs of people who find it painful to walk or ride over those yellow bumpy panels, or who are at risk of slipping and falling on the uneven surface.

Thank you for sharing the usual terms for this concept (and incidentally for confirming that it wasn't made up by the one author). I think that "inherent" might have a more neutral tone than "impairment", since some autistic people don't think of their differences as being unwanted, but the others sound better.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-20T17:30:00.000Z","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-2019-11-20T17:30:00.000Z-Dodger67-2019-11-19T22:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2019-11-20T17:54:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2019-11-20T17:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

WhatamIdoing the term impairment comes from the Social model of disability which holds that an impairment, in the sense of a medical diagnosis, is not in itself a disability. For example the inability to walk becomes a disability only when the environment, or social attitudes, make it difficult for a non-walker to move around freely. (The major criticism of the Medical model of disability is that it does not admit this distinction.) Many autistic and "culturally Deaf" people do challenge the idea that they are disabled (or even impaired for that matter), but, particularly wrt autism, it's a highly contentious issue only to be tackled if you enjoy sports such as running blindfolded through minefields. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:54, 20 November 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-20T17:54:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dodger67-2019-11-20T17:54:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2019-11-20T17:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-WhatamIdoing-2019-11-22T19:44:00.000Z-Dodger67-2019-11-20T17:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I think I can handle the blindfolded part, and I apparently volunteer for metaphorical minefields, but that "running" thing is where I draw the line. ;-)

I know one autistic person that I couldn't comfortably describe as "impaired". That's not a term that I normally think of using to describe a multi-lingual scientist who happens to be one of the kindest and gentlest people I've ever met (also a long-time Wikipedian). For the other autistic adults I know (all living independently, so it's a skewed sample), I think that most people would call them impaired, but maybe half of them don't seem to think of themselves that way. Their self-perception seems to be more like "Yeah, I can't necessarily guess people's emotions, but I'm a guy, so that's normal". Still, if that's the usual language in the sources, then we should normally be using it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-22T19:44:00.000Z","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-2019-11-22T19:44:00.000Z-Dodger67-2019-11-20T17:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated Huntington's disease for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. buidhe 22:12, 21 March 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-03-21T22:12:00.000Z","author":"Buidhe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Buidhe-2020-03-21T22:12:00.000Z-Huntington's_disease_FAR","replies":[],"displayName":"b"}}-->

Perhaps someone from this WikProject can help out a student editor working on this article as part of a Wiki Ed class. Specific details can be found at User talk:Shalor (Wiki Ed)#Need Help Changing a Wikipedia Title. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-10T01:36:00.000Z","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marchjuly-2020-05-10T01:36:00.000Z-Disability_rights_movement","replies":[]}}-->

I was thinking last night that Wikipedia does not have any categories for either Wikipedians with Developmental coordination disorder and Epilepsy and i am planning to create them under a category called Wikipedians by disability, could the Disabled Wikipedians be under my new Wikipedians by disability category? D Eaketts (talk) 06:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-12T06:41:00.000Z","author":"D Eaketts","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-D_Eaketts-2020-05-12T06:41:00.000Z-Wikipedians_with_Disabled_Wikipedians_under_the_Wikipedians_by_disability_catego","replies":["c-Dodger67-2020-05-18T13:45:00.000Z-D_Eaketts-2020-05-12T06:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

D Eaketts We are concerned with articles related to disability, Wikipedians disclosing their own impairments are not within the scope of this WikiProject. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-18T13:45:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2020-05-18T13:45:00.000Z-D_Eaketts-2020-05-12T06:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-D_Eaketts-2020-05-18T19:54:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-05-18T13:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Dodger67 No worries, I have already sorted it out and i will know in the future. D Eaketts (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-18T19:54:00.000Z","author":"D Eaketts","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-D_Eaketts-2020-05-18T19:54:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-05-18T13:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'd be interested in opinions from this project about my AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sooraj Surendran, about a person who designs electric wheelchairs. Graham87 04:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-22T04:27:00.000Z","author":"Graham87","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Graham87-2020-06-22T04:27:00.000Z-Interesting_AFD","replies":[],"displayName":"Graham"}}-->

Thanks for the message inviting me to look at this group, and I'm happy to help where time allows. I'm a volunteer with the Greater Manchester Coalition of Disabled People - DPA initiative, the Disabled People's Archive. Where possible I'm updating relevant wiki entries with summary findings from new DPA collections as they come in. Thanks CityTony (talk) 13:57, 11 July 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-07-11T13:57:00.000Z","author":"CityTony","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CityTony-2020-07-11T13:57:00.000Z-Greater_Manchester_Coalition_of_Disabled_People","replies":[]}}-->

The Women in Red project is hosting a meetup about Woman and Disability in July 2020. Please feel free to participate. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-29T08:26:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2020-06-29T08:26:00.000Z-Invitation_-_Women_and_Disability_Meetup","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-2020-06-29T14:05:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-06-29T08:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Yes! Please join in. I've been bulking up the redlist and needs-improvement lists, plenty to work on, and we'll keep adding more. Penny Richards (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-29T14:05:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2020-06-29T14:05:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-06-29T08:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Progress Report: here's what we did in the first third of the month. Please join in, especially if you can make the new articles on women and disability more diverse. Penny Richards (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-07-11T17:28:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2020-07-11T17:28:00.000Z-Invitation_-_Women_and_Disability_Meetup","replies":[]}}-->

1. Alice Raftary
2. Beryl Potter
3. Martha Louise Morrow Foxx - upg, PIN
4. Hilda Marley - PIN
5. Dianne H. Pilgrim - PIN
6. Sister Sponsa Beltran
7. Louisa Goddard Frothingham Molson - PIN
8. Mary Belle de Vargas - upg, PIN
9. Anne Thompson MacDonald - PIN
10. Eunice K. Fiorito - PIN
11. Susan B. Merwin - PIN
12. Winifred Holt - upg, PIN
13. Michaelina Argy
14. Helen May Martin - PIN
15. Doris Irene Taylor - upg, PIN
16. Sophie B. Wright - PIN
17. Roberta A. Griffith - PIN
18. Eliza Ann Dupuy
19. Electa Matilda Ziegler - upg
20. Eleanor Spencer (pianist) - PIN

I have nominated Parkinson's disease for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-07-29T18:42:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2020-07-29T18:42:00.000Z-Parkinson's_FAR","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated Multiple sclerosis for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-09T14:36:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2020-10-09T14:36:00.000Z-Multiple_sclerosis_Featured_article_review","replies":[]}}-->

Please see c:Commons:Photo challenge/2020 - September - Mobility aids for the handicapped/Voting. Voting is open to all registered contributors who have held accounts for at least 10 days and made 50 edits, and also to new Commons contributors who have entered the challenge with a picture. There are some good photos that would be useful for improving Wikipedia articles about mobility.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-09T18:24:00.000Z","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-2020-10-09T18:24:00.000Z-New_photos","replies":["c-Dodger67-2020-10-10T07:26:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2020-10-09T18:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for the heads-up WhatamIdoing. There is unfortunately some emotive POV language in a few of the photo descriptions that I think might bias the voting, such as #22's "brave woman". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-10T07:26:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2020-10-10T07:26:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2020-10-09T18:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-WhatamIdoing-2020-10-10T23:23:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-10-10T07:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Perhaps, although I assumed in that particular case that "brave" was a comment on the strength of the wind and lack of rails, rather than on the wheelchair. Voting for this contest is just a matter of personal preferences, so I wouldn't expect a consistent pattern of responses. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:23, 10 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-10T23:23:00.000Z","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-2020-10-10T23:23:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-10-10T07:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I'm trying to improve this article, mostly by changing the sections and deleting un-encyclopaedic content. I need help with it, most notably with expanding the history section (from someone knowledgeable about the history of self-advocacy who also knows good sources), trimming the "reception" section and maybe figuring out what other sections this article could benefit from. I am asking this wikiproject because I hope someone here could be interested in making it a good and useful article that could be C or maybe even B class. KamillaŚ (talk) 19:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-09-28T19:59:00.000Z","author":"Kamilla\u015a","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kamilla\u015a-2020-09-28T19:59:00.000Z-Self-advocacy","replies":["c-Dodger67-2020-09-29T17:01:00.000Z-Kamilla\u015a-2020-09-28T19:59:00.000Z","c-Kamilla\u015a-2020-10-15T22:24:00.000Z-Kamilla\u015a-2020-09-28T19:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi KamillaŚ I'd be quite surprised if there's more than a stub left over after cleaning up this mess. It is entirely essay-like, so imho needs to be blown up and rebuilt from scratch. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-09-29T17:01:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2020-09-29T17:01:00.000Z-Kamilla\u015a-2020-09-28T19:59:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Hi, I already rebuilt the article to some degree and now i'd like some overlook and input from other people, so this topic could have a better article. KamillaŚ (talk) 22:24, 15 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-15T22:24:00.000Z","author":"Kamilla\u015a","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kamilla\u015a-2020-10-15T22:24:00.000Z-Kamilla\u015a-2020-09-28T19:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.

The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process (WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.

The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.

I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me ({{u|Tom (LT)}}) in your response.

Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) (talk) 23:27, 12 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-12T23:27:00.000Z","author":"Tom (LT)","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tom_(LT)-2020-11-12T23:27:00.000Z-Update_to_peer_review_page","replies":[]}}-->

I started a conversation here on the SPD talk page about how to incorporate the Death of Otto Zehm into the article while maintaining balance. As always, your input is welcome. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-22T11:26:00.000Z","author":"RevelationDirect","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RevelationDirect-2020-11-22T11:26:00.000Z-Neutrality_of_Spokane_Police_Department_article","replies":[]}}-->

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disability/Style guide#Requested move 20 November 2020
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-28T20:52:00.000Z","author":"SMcCandlish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SMcCandlish-2020-11-28T20:52:00.000Z-Relevant_RM","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. I realise that this WikiProject is about articles about disability; but I'm guessing that there are some participants who are knowledgable about accessibility, or have disabilities themselves. I went looking for resources for editors with disabilities, and couldn't find anything; so I have raised the issue at WP:VPP#Support for editors with disabilities. --ColinFine (talk) 23:35, 30 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-30T23:35:00.000Z","author":"ColinFine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ColinFine-2020-11-30T23:35:00.000Z-Support_for_editors_with_disabilities","replies":["c-Dodger67-2020-12-01T09:32:00.000Z-ColinFine-2020-11-30T23:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi ColinFine afaik that's WP:WikiProject Accessibility's function. Graham87 might know better. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-01T09:32:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2020-12-01T09:32:00.000Z-ColinFine-2020-11-30T23:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Graham87-2020-12-01T10:07:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-12-01T09:32:00.000Z","c-ColinFine-2020-12-01T12:46:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-12-01T09:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Yes it is, semi-officially. But the normal venues for help will work fine too. Graham87 10:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-01T10:07:00.000Z","author":"Graham87","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Graham87-2020-12-01T10:07:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-12-01T09:32:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Graham"}}-->

Thank you Dodger67: I was hoping for that answer. Now my question is, why couldn't I find that. Answer, because I was looking for words like "disabled" and "disbility", and didn't think of "accessible". --ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 1 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-01T12:46:00.000Z","author":"ColinFine","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ColinFine-2020-12-01T12:46:00.000Z-Dodger67-2020-12-01T09:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

There is a deletion discussion about the hashtag #DeafTalent. The discussion can be found here. Members of this WikiProject are invited to comment. (WikiProject Deaf is inactive.) 258 (talk) 02:44, 2 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-02T02:44:00.000Z","author":"258","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-258-2020-12-02T02:44:00.000Z-DeafTalent","replies":[]}}-->

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Greta Thunberg § BIAS Alert: Why does the article start with Health (mental health)?. The issue is whether discussing her mental health early in the article biases it. There is a suggestion that it should be moved to the bottom of the article. Sundayclose (talk) 00:34, 8 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-08T00:34:00.000Z","author":"Sundayclose","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sundayclose-2020-12-08T00:34:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Talk:Greta_Thunberg_\u00a7_BIAS_Alert:_Why_does_the_article_start_with","replies":[]}}-->

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Access icon § Link?. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 10:39, 27 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-27T10:39:00.000Z","author":"Sdkb","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sdkb-2020-12-27T10:39:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Template_talk:Access_icon_\u00a7_Link?","replies":[]}}-->

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reasonable Adjustment. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 22:40, 14 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-14T22:40:00.000Z","author":"Jonathan Deamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonathan_Deamer-2021-01-14T22:40:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Reasonable_Adjustment","replies":[]}}-->

The "To do" list on the main project page is very outdated. I'm wondering if it is worthwhile having it at all. Should it be kept or scrapped? If we keep it, how do we persuade editors to use it? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-16T07:23:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-01-16T07:23:00.000Z-To_do_list","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-2021-01-16T17:20:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-01-16T07:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Good question! It could be a little friendlier. Instead of "Here are some tasks awaiting attention" maybe "Would you like to improve disability content on Wikipedia? Here are some ways to help." And maybe make it a shorter list, or two lists (big tasks/small tasks, for example), to be less intimidating? Those are my first thoughts, anyway. Penny Richards (talk) 17:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-16T17:20:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2021-01-16T17:20:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-01-16T07:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated Management of multiple sclerosis for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-17T02:57:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2021-01-17T02:57:00.000Z-Management_of_multiple_sclerosis_Featured_article_review","replies":[]}}-->

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Music_(2021_film)#RfC_about_the_neutrality/balance_of_this_article,_and_which_type_of_English_to_use.? - A discussion on which form of english should be used, and also about the ongoing controversy surrounding the film 188.220.86.46 (talk) 20:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-08T20:08:00.000Z","author":"188.220.86.46","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-188.220.86.46-2021-02-08T20:08:00.000Z-Request_for_Comment_on_Music_(2021_film)","replies":[]}}-->

Please keep an eye out for this project - WP:Wiki Ed/U of Maryland/Rhetorics of Disability (Spring 2021). The instructor is Drkill. Please welcome and assist the student editors wherever needed. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-11T13:17:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-02-11T13:17:00.000Z-Current_student_editing_project","replies":["c-Drkill-2021-02-11T16:39:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-02-11T13:17:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Thanks for noticing our early efforts! We welcome your support and collaboration. Drkill (talk) 16:39, 11 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-11T16:39:00.000Z","author":"Drkill","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drkill-2021-02-11T16:39:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-02-11T13:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-02-12T06:03:00.000Z-Drkill-2021-02-11T16:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Drkill We have a style advice page your students might find useful. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-12T06:03:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-02-12T06:03:00.000Z-Drkill-2021-02-11T16:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Hey! I am not an expert in the subject area, but I notice that a couple of articles (Mental retardation and microcephaly with pontine and cerebellar hypoplasia and X-linked mental retardation for example) use the outdated term "mental retardation" for intellectual disabilities in the titles of articles. Both of which have been titled with "intellectual disability" but recently moved; the latter with the explanation that "Mental retardation should not be conflated with ID, they are two distinct concepts" (which contradicts the content at Intellectual disability) and "Mental retardation is the standard term in genetics and disease classification."

This seems to go against the style guide for this WikiProject, as well as other pages on WP relating to intellectual disabilities. --Bangalamania (talk) 14:46, 13 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-13T14:46:00.000Z","author":"Bangalamania","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bangalamania-2021-02-13T14:46:00.000Z-\"Mental_retardation\"_in_Wikipedia's_voice","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-02-13T22:15:00.000Z-Bangalamania-2021-02-13T14:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Bangalamania Those articles are more relevant to WikiProject Medicine rather than this one. Formal medical terminology can differ quite a bit from common everyday language. I think it's better to discuss this matter at that project, not here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-13T22:15:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-02-13T22:15:00.000Z-Bangalamania-2021-02-13T14:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bangalamania-2021-02-13T22:18:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-02-13T22:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Thank you for the advice! I have raised the issue there. --Bangalamania (talk) 22:18, 13 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-13T22:18:00.000Z","author":"Bangalamania","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bangalamania-2021-02-13T22:18:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-02-13T22:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Please keep an eye out for this project - WP:Wiki Ed/University of Alabama at Birmingham/Psychology Capstone (Spring 2021). Some of the articles they have listed are within the purview of this WikiProject. The instructor is Rahneli. Please welcome and assist the student editors wherever needed. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:13, 28 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-28T19:13:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-02-28T19:13:00.000Z-Current_student_editing_project_(2)","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

According to WP:WikiProject Disability/Popular pages the top five most read pages in this project are all biographies, I supose that's not unexpected. However, our "main article" Disability is way down the list, currently the 106th most read. I do think that is a bit odd. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-04T09:14:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-03-04T09:14:00.000Z-Interesting_page_popularity_stats","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I am wanting some guidance about the impact of severe dyslexia on the notability of a poet and writer Tomos Roberts. The article about Roberts has been nominated for deletion NealeFamily (talk) 01:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-26T01:09:00.000Z","author":"NealeFamily","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T01:09:00.000Z-Severe_dyslexia","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-01-26T06:59:00.000Z-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T01:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

NealeFamily If there are reliable independent sources that properly discuss the subject's dyslexia, not mere mentions of "overcoming" it, it might he worth including in the article. To what extent such content contributes to notability can only be judged in terms of the notability policy and the [WP:GNG|general notability guidelines]]. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:59, 26 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-26T06:59:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-01-26T06:59:00.000Z-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T01:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T07:15:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-01-26T06:59:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Thanks User:Dodger67. There is a reasonable amount of reliable information to establish his dyslexia, but I am not familiar enough with the condition to determine if there is anything out of the ordinary with him being a poet and writer because of the condition. In other words should any weight be given to him being what he is because of his condition? NealeFamily (talk) 07:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-26T07:15:00.000Z","author":"NealeFamily","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T07:15:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-01-26T06:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T07:18:00.000Z-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T07:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

User:Dodger67 - I just spotted your comment on the AfD so suspect the answer to my question above is no? NealeFamily (talk) 07:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-26T07:18:00.000Z","author":"NealeFamily","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T07:18:00.000Z-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T07:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-01-26T07:44:00.000Z-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T07:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

NealeFamily That's a separate issue, so let's address the general principle; I find it quite telling that no category exists (yet) at the intersection of Category:People with dyslexia and Category:Writers. The only subcategories under Category:Writers with disabilities are Category:Blind writers and Category:Deaf writers. The creation of such categories are guided by the WP:EGRS rules. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:44, 26 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-26T07:44:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-01-26T07:44:00.000Z-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T07:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I think this may be the reason for no category - List of people with dyslexia. Having looked through the list, there seems to be enough writers to indicate that such an occupation is not particularly unusual. I therefore conclude that it does not add anything to Roberts notability. Thank you User:Dodger67 for your guidance. I shall note the AfD accordingly. NealeFamily (talk) 08:03, 26 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-26T08:03:00.000Z","author":"NealeFamily","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T08:03:00.000Z-Severe_dyslexia","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-03-11T08:27:00.000Z-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T08:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

NealeFamily I've just come back to this question. I think the fact that there are so many articles that intersect is actually a good reason to create the category. If one searches the net for dyslexia and writer or author quite a large number of sources that discuss the topic. so I am now going to create Category:Dyslexic writers. Please feel free to help populate it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-11T08:27:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-03-11T08:27:00.000Z-NealeFamily-2021-01-26T08:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-NealeFamily-2021-03-12T00:21:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-03-11T08:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Will do NealeFamily (talk) 00:21, 12 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-12T00:21:00.000Z","author":"NealeFamily","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-NealeFamily-2021-03-12T00:21:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-03-11T08:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated Chinua Achebe for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 21:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-17T21:11:00.000Z","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Z1720-2021-03-17T21:11:00.000Z-FAR_for_Chinua_Achebe","replies":[]}}-->

There seems to be little or no coverage of the process of "transfer", in the sense used by physical therapists and occupational therapists. Or perhaps I just can't find such coverage in Wikipedia, after looking at multiple search terms and articles. For example, the article on Fall prevention does not mention the term at all, and has minimal coverage of techniques for safe transfers.

I know that physically moving the human body from one assistive device to another is an everyday mundane process for many people who use wheelchairs, and that patients, nurses, PTs, and OTs receive special training in how to do this safely and efficiently.

This is a topic that should be covered here in the Wheelchair article, or perhaps in a separate article linked from here. I have little expertise in this, so must rely on other editors to improve coverage and/or findability of coverage in Wikipedia. My wife used to be an OT, so I know that transferring is an important skill that must be taught to patients and caretakers. Can anybody help with this? Reify-tech (talk) 15:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I have copied the above comment from Talk: Wheelchair, at the suggestion of another editor. In this area of knowledge, I am very much a reader, and am asking whether there is any coverage of this important topic in Wikipedia which I am not aware of. It seems to me that this is a gap in Wikipedia coverage which merits its own section in the Wheelchair article. I note that the article does seem to be more comprehensive than it was the last time I looked at it.

Thank you for any pointers. Reify-tech (talk) 21:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-21T21:42:00.000Z","author":"Reify-tech","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Reify-tech-2021-03-21T21:42:00.000Z-Wikipedia_coverage_of_\"transfers\"_Suggestion","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-03-25T09:18:00.000Z-Reify-tech-2021-03-21T21:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Reify-tech, have you found good sources? Occupational therapy textbooks might be a good place to start. Do you have access to an academic library? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:18, 25 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-25T09:18:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-03-25T09:18:00.000Z-Reify-tech-2021-03-21T21:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Reify-tech-2021-03-28T16:47:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-03-25T09:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I don't feel qualified to write this new section from scratch, and have focused my editorial energies elsewhere. Actually, I wanted to learn more about transfers by reading Wikipedia, and was surprised that there was so little coverage of the topic. I hope that now this omission has been pointed out, somebody with much more knowledge and experience can improve the article. I can help with copyediting, but really can't write this by myself. Reify-tech (talk) 16:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-28T16:47:00.000Z","author":"Reify-tech","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Reify-tech-2021-03-28T16:47:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-03-25T09:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-WhatamIdoing-2021-03-31T22:31:00.000Z-Reify-tech-2021-03-28T16:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Neither do I, but let's see if we can make a start on the subject. This book appears to be available free and talks about transfers on (at least) p. 453. This one has a "Wheelchair Skills Test". What else can we find? WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-31T22:31:00.000Z","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-2021-03-31T22:31:00.000Z-Reify-tech-2021-03-28T16:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Take note that "mental health" is a focus for May at WikiProject Women in Red. All are welcome to join in. Penny Richards (talk) 23:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-28T23:38:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2021-04-28T23:38:00.000Z-May_2021_at_Women_in_Red","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello,

I am Mohammed from the Wikidata Team at Wikimedia Germany.

We are looking to conduct a usability test of the Query Builder, a tool to write queries without using SPARQL. The goal is to evaluate the current usability and usefulness of the Query Builder and to get an idea for future improvements. Find more information about the Query Builder development process at Wikidata:Query Builder.

Who we are looking for

We would like to speak with vision impaired users who are using screen readers or navigate via keyboard, and work on Wikidata using maintenance lists and have little to no experience writing SPARQL queries. These maintenance lists could be created in SPARQL or manually. Maybe you used the Query Helper to create it, maybe adapted an example query to match your needs or maybe you had some help creating the query, to name a few examples. You do not need to have any particular technical expertise to participate.

Interview structure

During this interview we’ll ask you to bring a real example of a maintenance query/list you (want to) use in your editing work to the meeting, to test out the Query Builder with an example that’s relevant to you. This list/query should not be using sitelinks, missing labels, descriptions or aliases. We have some backup lists prepared that we can use during the test in case your list is currently not supported by the Query Builder.

Participating in usability tests is different from typical volunteer activities because of both the time commitment required and the adherence to researcher-directed tasks. For these reasons, your testing time qualifies for compensation (see our wiki page for more details).

If you fit the description above and would like to help with the usability testing please feel free to let me know either here or via email (mohammed.sadatwikimedia.de) and I’ll get back to you about the next steps.

Cheers, -Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-18T16:50:00.000Z","author":"Mohammed Sadat (WMDE)","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mohammed_Sadat_(WMDE)-2021-04-18T16:50:00.000Z-Wikidata_Query_Builder_usability_test:_Looking_for_vision_impaired_users_using_s","replies":["c-WhatamIdoing-2021-04-28T23:58:00.000Z-Mohammed_Sadat_(WMDE)-2021-04-18T16:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Mohammed Sadat (WMDE), I think that @Psychoslave will be interested, because of m:Talk:Accessibility of Wikipedia, a March 2021 use test session. You might also want to contact the members of m:WikiBlind User Group. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-28T23:58:00.000Z","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-2021-04-28T23:58:00.000Z-Mohammed_Sadat_(WMDE)-2021-04-18T16:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Psychoslave-2021-05-01T07:19:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2021-04-28T23:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks @WhatamIdoing for notifying me here. I'm always happy to help with accessibility topic, or more broadly with any theme that helps spreading knowledge more universally.

@Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) I'm not a vision impaired user. I do use my keyboard within my navigation habits, although I don't use pentadactyl or the like currently, I just rely on the "factory keyboard shortcuts". I only have a very limited experience with SPARQL so far and don't work on Wikidata using a maintenance list. I'm rather comfortable with IT in general that said, being myself a professional developer.

So let me know if my profile might actually help on this topic, and if yes, what actions would you expect from me. Note that I will look further at the pages you pointed to later, especially if your reply is not a clear "no, your profile doesn't match what we are looking for on this project", but for now I didn't have time to look at them.

Cheers, Psychoslave (talk) 07:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-01T07:19:00.000Z","author":"Psychoslave","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Psychoslave-2021-05-01T07:19:00.000Z-WhatamIdoing-2021-04-28T23:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mohammed_Sadat_(WMDE)-2021-05-02T18:01:00.000Z-Psychoslave-2021-05-01T07:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you WhatamIdoing for the pointers! Psychoslave, we already found enough users for the tests, but I hope it's fine to reach out to you at some point if we need to recruit people who fit your profile. Many thanks for your help. -Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) (talk) 18:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-02T18:01:00.000Z","author":"Mohammed Sadat (WMDE)","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mohammed_Sadat_(WMDE)-2021-05-02T18:01:00.000Z-Psychoslave-2021-05-01T07:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Psychoslave-2021-05-10T07:46:00.000Z-Mohammed_Sadat_(WMDE)-2021-05-02T18:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello @Mohammed Sadat (WMDE), good to hear you find enough people. Yes, feel free to contact me if you need more help in the future. Psychoslave (talk) 07:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-10T07:46:00.000Z","author":"Psychoslave","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Psychoslave-2021-05-10T07:46:00.000Z-Mohammed_Sadat_(WMDE)-2021-05-02T18:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have just disovered an interesting article in Nature that could possibly be the basis of an article here:

Briggs, Andrew; Vassall, Anna (2021-05-27). "Count the cost of disability caused by COVID-19". Nature. 593 (7860): 502–505. doi:10.1038/d41586-021-01392-2.

I'm not able to do anything with it now (my to-do list is already overloaded) so if anyone else would like to have a go please do. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:24, 3 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-03T09:24:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-06-03T09:24:00.000Z-Post-COVID19_and_disability","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Another aspect of the intersection of Covid and disability:

"How The Post Covid-19 Economy Can Be More Disability Inclusive | Forbes India Blog". Forbes India.

Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-03T09:40:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-06-03T09:40:00.000Z-More_about_Covid_and_disability","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

The International Disability Alliance raise even more issues:

"COVID 19 and the disability movement". International Disability Alliance.

Perhaps we should create a (temporary) task team for these topics? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:07, 3 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-03T10:07:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-06-03T10:07:00.000Z-More_about_Covid_and_disability","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Tennessee School for the Blind has some braille at the banner of the top https://www.tsbtigers.org/

I'm trying to see if it's supposed to be the school's full name in braille WhisperToMe (talk) 05:27, 27 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-27T05:27:00.000Z","author":"WhisperToMe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WhisperToMe-2021-06-27T05:27:00.000Z-Question_about_braille_text_for_Tennessee_School_for_the_Blind","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-07-01T12:25:00.000Z-WhisperToMe-2021-06-27T05:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

WhisperToMe it looks like about twenty characters, but I'm really just guessing. Perhaps the Language Refdesk could help. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:25, 1 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T12:25:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-07-01T12:25:00.000Z-WhisperToMe-2021-06-27T05:27:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I'm working on drafting an article on Hale Zukas. I'd appreciate anybody's help if you have time. You can help here: Draft:Hale Zukas. thanks! Cliff (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-11T16:09:00.000Z","author":"Cliff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cliff-2021-06-11T16:09:00.000Z-New_Article_Draft:_Hale_Zukas","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-06-12T07:40:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-06-11T16:09:00.000Z","c-Dodger67-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-06-11T16:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Cliff, I'll have a go at it. I've noticed the draft contains a bit too much explaining about topics about which we already have articles - 504 Sit-in, Independent living, etc. It's best to simply mention, link, and move on. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:40, 12 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-12T07:40:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-06-12T07:40:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-06-11T16:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cliff-2021-06-14T14:13:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-06-12T07:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Thanks,RogerDodger! This is my first go at a full article and I had to do quite a bit of editing on the pre-existing draft to get it to fit the tone of WP. I'm also new to the disability project, so don't really know what's here and what's not. Really appreciate your help!Cliff (talk) 14:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-14T14:13:00.000Z","author":"Cliff","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cliff-2021-06-14T14:13:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-06-12T07:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-2021-06-14T14:52:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-06-14T14:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Dodger67 is right, it's over-explained, but that's fixable. "Mention, link, and move on" is a good motto. I've given it a light pass, cut it down a bit for conciseness, improved the top (the first few sentences that explain why this person is notable), fixed one of the links and added another. More and better references would definitely improve this article. Those YouTube references are not going to pass with a critical editor. And don't leave bare links in the references; that also raises flags. Hale Zukas is definitely notable, and there should be enough journal articles, books, and newspaper accounts to support a strong article. Because he's based in California, a good open starting place for newspaper sources is the California Digital Newspaper Collection; I added one ref from there, just for starters, but Zukas has a good searchable name and you'll find plenty more, I'm sure. Use the resources you have; other editors will use the resources they have, and soon Hale Zukas will have a solid article. Thanks for getting this started--long overdue! Penny Richards (talk) 14:52, 14 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-14T14:52:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2021-06-14T14:52:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-06-14T14:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cliff-2021-06-16T14:16:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2021-06-14T14:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks Penny! I've got a few references in my Zotero that just need to get imported in the correct places. The initial creator of this page put the youtube refs in. I sincerely appreciate your help cleaning it up. Cliff (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-16T14:16:00.000Z","author":"Cliff","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Cliff-2021-06-16T14:16:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2021-06-14T14:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Persicifolia-2021-07-01T02:15:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-06-16T14:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Cliff I hope you don't mind, I saw this here and had a look - what a fascinating life. I got a bit carried away, found secondary sources, and made some small changes. It also seems like a short film documentary was made about him which there's a Hollywood Reporter article about, though not sure where that should go. (Apologies for any mistakes, I've only been editing for a few weeks. And haven't officially joined this project, so hi!) Persicifolia (talk) 02:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T02:15:00.000Z","author":"Persicifolia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Persicifolia-2021-07-01T02:15:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-06-16T14:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-07-01T06:42:00.000Z-Persicifolia-2021-07-01T02:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Cliff, Penny Richards, Persicifolia, et al. As I am a "qualified" AFC reviewer I have gone ahead and accepted the draft into mainspace as it is now in better than acceptable condition. Please assist in adding relevant categories. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T06:42:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-07-01T06:42:00.000Z-Persicifolia-2021-07-01T02:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Persicifolia-2021-07-01T08:30:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-07-01T06:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Oh lovely news Dodger67 - I am pleased! Persicifolia (talk) 08:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T08:30:00.000Z","author":"Persicifolia","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Persicifolia-2021-07-01T08:30:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-07-01T06:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cliff-2021-07-06T15:24:00.000Z-Persicifolia-2021-07-01T08:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Amazing! Cliff, Penny Richards, Persicifolia Dodger67 and others! I went away for a week and come back to a completed, active article?! Thanks for your help everyone! Mr. Zukas is a worthwhile addition to wikipedia. Cliff (talk) 15:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-06T15:24:00.000Z","author":"Cliff","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Cliff-2021-07-06T15:24:00.000Z-Persicifolia-2021-07-01T08:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Persicifolia-2021-07-06T17:19:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-07-06T15:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Cliff I can't tell you how much I enjoyed my part in it, I'm pretty new to wikipedia and worried I might be overstepping. What an absolutely fascinating life (so far). I'm so glad he exists on here now. The whole thing took me down some really interesting rabbit holes! Persicifolia (talk) 17:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-06T17:19:00.000Z","author":"Persicifolia","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Persicifolia-2021-07-06T17:19:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-07-06T15:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Penny Richards I found a problem that needs your particular brand of expertize. Reference #6 reads "Hotchkiss, Ralf (2007). "Disability Rights and Independent Living Movement Oral History Project". University of California." which seems to be an incomplete citation of either an audio recording or a transcription of an interview.

When I searched for the title I managed to find what appears to be an index page for the oral history project -

https://oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=kt4c6003s1;NAAN=13030&doc.view=frames&chunk.id=div00017&toc.depth=1&toc.id=div00001&brand=oac4

The Zukas interview is listed under "BUILDERS AND SUSTAINERS OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING MOVEMENT IN BERKELEY" "Volume III 2000" quite far down the page.

Now the problem is that I have not been able to find any path from there to the actual source document or recording. I'd really hate to have to throw out some key article content due to an incomplete citation or an unreachable source. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z-Cliff-2021-06-11T16:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-2021-07-01T14:30:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Good catch, Dodger67. I fixed the reference so it links to the oral history interview transcripts. Penny Richards (talk) 14:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T14:30:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2021-07-01T14:30:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-07-01T14:57:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2021-07-01T14:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Penny Richards, Awesome, your librarian-fu is strong! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T14:57:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-07-01T14:57:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2021-07-01T14:30:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

The article about orthotics has recently been expanded with the addition of a lot of quite detailed information. Please see Talk:Orthotics#Time to split this article? where the proposal can be discussed. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-12T10:16:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-07-12T10:16:00.000Z-Proposal_to_split_Orthotics_article","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Hello, I recently created a draft for disability rights advocate Edith Prentiss. Any help with the article would be appreciated! Thank you, Thriley (talk) 18:43, 31 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-31T18:43:00.000Z","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thriley-2021-07-31T18:43:00.000Z-Edith_Prentiss","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-07-31T21:31:00.000Z-Thriley-2021-07-31T18:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thriley, the first sentence claims she was a disability rights activist, but her activism is not actually described in the article. Effectively the draft merely says "this person existed" but presents nothing to substantiate her notability. So you've still got quite a bit of work to do, if you need further assistance or advice, you're welcome to return here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:31, 31 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-31T21:31:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-07-31T21:31:00.000Z-Thriley-2021-07-31T18:43:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Greetings from WP:WikiProject Women in Red! Starting next month, we’re going to have an editathon for July, August and September for the women of the Olympic and Paralympic Games. WP Disability participants are warmly welcomed to join us for the event; additionally if you have relevant lists of red links that we should encourage participants to take up, we’d love to know. Thanks very much! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:43, 20 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-20T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Innisfree987","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Innisfree987-2021-06-20T16:43:00.000Z-Editathon_hosted_by_Women_in_Red","replies":["c-Ayersforce-2021-08-18T19:57:00.000Z-Innisfree987-2021-06-20T16:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Would love to know more about this. I'm a former Paralympian. kara.ayers@Cchmc.org Ayersforce (talk) 19:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-18T19:57:00.000Z","author":"Ayersforce","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ayersforce-2021-08-18T19:57:00.000Z-Innisfree987-2021-06-20T16:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Innisfree987-2021-08-18T20:18:00.000Z-Ayersforce-2021-08-18T19:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Ayersforce! We would love to have your participation! You can click here for all of the info. It has suggested topics, guidance for those just getting started, and a place to note what you’ve added. I’m also very happy to answer any questions you may have—let me know! Innisfree987 (talk) 20:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-18T20:18:00.000Z","author":"Innisfree987","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Innisfree987-2021-08-18T20:18:00.000Z-Ayersforce-2021-08-18T19:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey! Just to let the WikiProject know that I have made some changes on this WikiProject's style advice, namely on the Autism and People-first language sections. If these do not reflect community consensus, please let me know. --Bangalamania (talk) 13:12, 16 September 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-16T13:12:00.000Z","author":"Bangalamania","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bangalamania-2021-09-16T13:12:00.000Z-Style_advice_changes","replies":[]}}-->

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Lunatic charlatans, which is about a wikipedia that is within the scope of this WikiProject. Bangalamania (talk) 20:27, 28 September 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-28T20:27:00.000Z","author":"Bangalamania","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bangalamania-2021-09-28T20:27:00.000Z-Discussion_about_wikipedia_\"Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion\/Wikipedia:Lunatic","replies":[]}}-->

Would welcome some fresh eyes on this page to sort out whether there is a specific recgonized disability flag. Slywriter (talk) 18:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-16T18:40:00.000Z","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Slywriter-2021-10-16T18:40:00.000Z-Disability_Flag","replies":[]}}-->

This article can have a change of Title instead of "Service and Support for People with Disabilities", it can be change for "Service and Support for People with Disabilities in USA. This change specify that this article is for services and support provided in United state, and reader can be aware of that the article may not be from their country but still can get useful information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luismr92 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-22T14:54:00.000Z","author":"Luismr92","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Luismr92-2021-10-22T14:54:00.000Z-Change_of_Title","replies":[]}}-->

Hi,

I realize this is not the right spot but I was instructed by some experienced Wiki people to wait a bit before forwarding my request here regarding adding an external weblink to a particular wiki page (DISH Network). I was advised to ask someone here to add it. Please see the discussion [links/Noticeboard|here].

Near the bottom you will see the section, "Adding External Link with ?Apparent COI" along with replies.  The replies are written there but I'm quoting here too... 

"@GebienD, I agree with Beestra. Linking to your site is not prohibited, but it would be better if someone not associated with the website added the link. Posting a note on the talk page of the article is a good idea, and I recommend that as your next step. If nobody replies within a week or so, then you might consider posting a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disability to see if anyone there would please take a look at your request on the article's talk page."

The proposed external link is https://printtvchannels.com/product/dish-network-channel-guide-national-complete/

Please advise. Thanks for reading and for any assistance!

Darryl --GebienD (talk) 21:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-24T21:33:00.000Z","author":"GebienD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GebienD-2021-10-24T21:33:00.000Z-Newbie_Asking_for_Help_Posting_External_Link_Please","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, there's a discussion going on here [1] about 'wheelchair bound' vs wheelchair user and I thought I'd post about it here in case anyone's interested in contributing. (There's a better way to link I'm sure but I can't seem to think of it...) Persicifolia (talk) 05:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-01T05:03:00.000Z","author":"Persicifolia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Persicifolia-2021-11-01T05:03:00.000Z-'Wheelchair-bound'_vs_wheelchair_user_discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Sty","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:35:00.000Z-Persicifolia-2021-11-01T05:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

Persicifolia Thanks, though I'm not sure that particular instance is really a hill worth dying on. I have commented on the MOS v Project guide issue again, so maybe some progress might come out of it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-01T07:35:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:35:00.000Z-Persicifolia-2021-11-01T05:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Persicifolia-2021-11-01T13:10:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:35:00.000Z","c-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:43:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I agree Roger (Dodger67) - I actually put it here in case other people would like to know it's happening, as I don't feel able to continue that particular discussion for now. (I'm pretty new and don't know the nuance of eg whether it might be setting a precedent.) As I'm a full-time wheelchair user it's not theoretical for me, and I'm finding some of the remarks - whether intended to be jocular/inoffensive or not - too much. Nice to meet you and I apologise if my formatting is off - I can't work out the correct way to put this in that makes clear which comment I'm replying to. Persicifolia (talk) 13:10, 1 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-01T13:10:00.000Z","author":"Persicifolia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Persicifolia-2021-11-01T13:10:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2021-11-01T18:02:00.000Z-Persicifolia-2021-11-01T13:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Persicifolia I'm hoping it might at least get some of the editors interested in helping to improve the project's style advice. The issue is also not theoretical for me, for the same reason as yours. Your formatting is good, no problem at all. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-01T18:02:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-11-01T18:02:00.000Z-Persicifolia-2021-11-01T13:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Persicifolia-2021-11-02T09:42:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-11-01T18:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Dodger67 I must admit I'm not very familiar with the MOS v Project guide issue and must look into it, though I'm not the experienced editor you probably need. And yes I see - I should have looked at your user page before replying - doubly nice to meet you then. Love the Artful Dodger illustration. Persicifolia (talk) 09:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-02T09:42:00.000Z","author":"Persicifolia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Persicifolia-2021-11-02T09:42:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-11-01T18:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

P.S. I'm not really sure if EEng is arguing sincerely or just doing it as devil's advocate (or merely "for the lulz", as the kids call it) but I'll continue to AGF. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-01T07:43:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:43:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-EEng-2021-11-01T11:04:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I answered that question here [2]. EEng 11:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC) P.S. I'm not sure if Amakuru is arguing sincerely in comparing wheelchair-bound to the n-word [3], but I'll continue to AGF.__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-01T11:04:00.000Z","author":"EEng","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-EEng-2021-11-01T11:04:00.000Z-Dodger67-2021-11-01T07:43:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"E"}}-->

A RfC about the usage of "wheelchair-bound" and "confined to a wheelchair" has been started at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RFC on wheelchair-based language. GreenComputer (talk) 17:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-02T17:13:00.000Z","author":"GreenComputer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GreenComputer-2021-11-02T17:13:00.000Z-'Wheelchair-bound'_vs_wheelchair_user_discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Sty","replies":[]}}-->

Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Chinua Achebe/archive1. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:49, 11 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-11T03:49:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2021-12-11T03:49:00.000Z-Featured_Article_Save_Award_for_Chinua_Achebe","replies":[]}}-->

There's a discussion about the naming of Category:Intellectual disability and some associated categories. There's also a second discussion about the naming of Category:Syndromes with mental retardation, which may be affected by the other one. --Xurizuri (talk) 14:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T14:59:00.000Z","author":"Xurizuri","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Xurizuri-2021-12-18T14:59:00.000Z-Category:Intellectual_disability","replies":[]}}-->

There is currently a deletion discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Ageometresia which might be of interest to this Wikiproject. Felix QW (talk) 23:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-17T23:03:00.000Z","author":"Felix QW","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Felix_QW-2022-01-17T23:03:00.000Z-Ageometr(es)ia","replies":[]}}-->

List of fictional characters with disabilities has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 11:24, 10 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-10T11:24:00.000Z","author":"A. C. Santacruz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-A._C._Santacruz-2022-02-10T11:24:00.000Z-List_of_fictional_characters_with_disabilities_has_an_RFC","replies":[]}}-->

Health and appearance of Michael Jackson has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.Quaffel (talk) 20:59, 10 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-10T20:59:00.000Z","author":"Quaffel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quaffel-2022-02-10T20:59:00.000Z-GAR","replies":[]}}-->

An editor has requested for Autism to be merged into Autism spectrum. Since you had some involvement with autism or autism spectrum, you might want to participate in the merger discussion (if you have not already done so). Averixus (talk) 00:27, 27 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-27T00:27:00.000Z","author":"Averixus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Averixus-2022-02-27T00:27:00.000Z-Merge_proposal_at_autism","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated Royal National College for the Blind for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-19T03:31:00.000Z","author":"Sdkb","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sdkb-2022-03-19T03:31:00.000Z-Featured_article_review","replies":[]}}-->

I am becomming concerned about how often several key articles within the scope of this project are selected for student projects. Articles such as disability, ableism and others are selected practically every semester. Sometimes there are even two projects on the same article simultaneously! My concern in particular is that such projects end up being the dominant "voices" in the articles as "regular" Wikipedians tend to avoid editing pages while they are the subject of student editing projects. This may introduce biases due to the nature of student editors and the aims of their projects/courses that would not occur if the main contributions were by Wikipedians without external drivers/agendas. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-23T07:26:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-03-23T07:26:00.000Z-Some_articles_too_frequently_targeted_for_student_projects?","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Hello! I am fairly new to wikipedia as an editor, and i felt it was finally time to chip in and help out, however i am confused as to how i would join this project. is it just as simple as adding my name to the list on the project page? BeeTheFae (talk) 00:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-26T00:51:00.000Z","author":"BeeTheFae","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeeTheFae-2022-03-26T00:51:00.000Z-Joining_the_project","replies":["c-Dodger67-2022-04-02T08:44:00.000Z-BeeTheFae-2022-03-26T00:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi BeeTheFae yes please add yourself to the participants list and watchlist this page. Other pages also worth watching are Article alerts and AFD discussions. Do also take a look at our Style advice page. Welcome on board! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-02T08:44:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-02T08:44:00.000Z-BeeTheFae-2022-03-26T00:51:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

thank you! glad to be of service! BeeTheFae (talk) 09:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-02T09:37:00.000Z","author":"BeeTheFae","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BeeTheFae-2022-04-02T09:37:00.000Z-Joining_the_project","replies":[]}}-->

I'm busy collecting sources for a draft on "crip tax". In my searches I keep finding mentions of "crip time" and even a few mentions of "crip admin". They seem to be a trifecta of closely related concepts which might be sufficiently notable for articles or perhaps a section or two in other related articles such as Alison Kafer's works about "crip time". BTW please feel free to edit the draft in my sandbox. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T07:41:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T07:41:00.000Z-User:Dodger67\/Sandbox\/Crip_tax","replies":["c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T12:21:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-08T07:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Just a BTW - During my searching I found a really interesting Ph.D. dissertation. Even though it may not be directly useable for this draft I thought maybe someone here Penny Richards?) might have a use for it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:21, 8 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T12:21:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T12:21:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-08T07:41:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Hello, I just created an article for Emily Barker (advocate) an artist and disability rights activist. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you. --Wil540 art (talk) 00:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-05T00:12:00.000Z","author":"Wil540 art","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wil540_art-2022-04-05T00:12:00.000Z-Emily_Barker_(advocate)_-_artist,_disability_rights_activist","replies":["c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T06:32:00.000Z-Wil540_art-2022-04-05T00:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wil540 art Imho the descriptor "advocate" is a rather wishy-washy imprecise/non-specific term that means very little without explanation. Her activism seems to be rooted in and expressed mainly through her art, so I suggest that (artist) is a better disambiguator. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T06:32:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T06:32:00.000Z-Wil540_art-2022-04-05T00:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wil540_art-2022-04-08T12:46:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-08T06:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Dodger67 Good point. I was not 100% sure on what to put as Emily Barker was already in use. I deliberated between Emily Barker (advocate), Emily Barker (artist), and Emily Barker (activist). I went with advocate because I thought it was the most inclusive description but I hear your point, I support moving it to artist. --Wil540 art (talk) 12:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T12:46:00.000Z","author":"Wil540 art","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wil540_art-2022-04-08T12:46:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-08T06:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T13:26:00.000Z-Wil540_art-2022-04-08T12:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Wil540 art Done, it's now at Emily Barker (artist). I'll try to have a go at improving the article, though my current to-do list is quite full. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T13:26:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T13:26:00.000Z-Wil540_art-2022-04-08T12:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wil540_art-2022-04-08T16:36:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-08T13:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Thank you Dodger67. I plan to see Barker's work at the 2022 Whitney Biennial. Hopefully, I will learn more about Barker and be able to add information to the article. --Wil540 art (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T16:36:00.000Z","author":"Wil540 art","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Wil540_art-2022-04-08T16:36:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-08T13:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T19:01:00.000Z-Wil540_art-2022-04-08T16:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Wil540 art Lucky you! Make a point of collecting as much printed material as you can get... sources, sources and more sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T19:01:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T19:01:00.000Z-Wil540_art-2022-04-08T16:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I recently created a draft for Kim E. Nielsen, a specialist in disability studies. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 03:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-27T03:12:00.000Z","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thriley-2022-03-27T03:12:00.000Z-Kim_E._Nielsen,_disability_studies_scholar","replies":["c-Dodger67-2022-04-02T08:47:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-03-27T03:12:00.000Z","c-Dodger67-2022-04-02T10:45:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-03-27T03:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Thriley it's a fair start but it does not yet make a clear claim of notability, currently all it does is say that the subject exists. Take a look at WP:NACADEMIC and WP:NAUTHOR for some subject-specific notability criteria. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:47, 2 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-02T08:47:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-02T08:47:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-03-27T03:12:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

You should say something about the books, quote and cite professional reviews and critics. There are several good "blurbs" on the Amazon pages of the books, but you will need to cite the actual original reviews, so try to find them. One or two in-depth reviews of each book should be sufficient to establish the subject's notability. (BTW I have provided full citations for the book list.) Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-02T10:45:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-02T10:45:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-03-27T03:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T22:44:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-02T10:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Nielsen was president of the Disability History Association, which is an international scholarly organization affiliated with the American Historical Association. (I know, because I was one of her successors as president of the DHA, from 2009 to 2014.) She's the world's go-to scholar on all things Helen Keller or Anne Sullivan. She's notable, an easy pass for WP:GNG. Penny Richards (talk) 22:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-04T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T22:44:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-02T10:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T23:14:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T22:44:00.000Z","c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T12:19:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T22:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

I added some more, but I consider Nielsen a colleague and I don't usually write BLP articles, so I'm going to leave it for folks more suited to the task. It is a good start! And there's plenty more that can be added. Penny Richards (talk) 23:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-04T23:14:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T23:14:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T22:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2022-04-07T16:19:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T23:14:00.000Z","c-Dodger67-2022-04-07T16:37:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T23:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Courtesy ping Thriley, just to make sure you've seen the above. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:19, 7 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-07T16:19:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-07T16:19:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T23:14:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I have moved it into mainspace, as I believe it is more than ready. I will have a go at expanding the article over the next week or three. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-07T16:37:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-07T16:37:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T23:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thriley-2022-04-07T17:10:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-07T16:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Thank you all! It looks great so far. Best, Thriley (talk) 17:10, 7 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-07T17:10:00.000Z","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Thriley-2022-04-07T17:10:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-07T16:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Penny Richards could you think of any source that actually calls her an authority on Helen Keller? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T12:19:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-08T12:19:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-04T22:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-2022-04-08T14:31:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-08T12:19:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Dodger67 Sure--it's actually harder to imagine someone writing seriously about HK and not mentioning Nielsen! Some recent finds from a very quick search: Filmmaker John Gianvito called The Radical Lives of Helen Keller "the best of the biographies" in a 2020 interview here, page 40. This 2021 essay in the New York Times calls The Radical Lives of Helen Keller "a revelation". In "Disability History, Power, and Rethinking the Idea of 'The Other'" (2005) historian Catherine Kudlick notes that "Unlike earlier biographers, Nielsen places Keller's life in the context of major trends in American history... to understand her and her disability as rich and complex rather than as a feel-good caricature of one inspirational person." Penny Richards (talk) 14:31, 8 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T14:31:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2022-04-08T14:31:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-08T12:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dodger67-2022-04-10T08:04:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-08T14:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Penny Richards I'm going to copy your statement above into the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-10T08:04:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-10T08:04:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-04-08T14:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I started a draft for the Disability Rights Center. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 15:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-10T15:40:00.000Z","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thriley-2022-04-10T15:40:00.000Z-Disability_Rights_Center","replies":["c-Thriley-2022-04-10T15:50:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-04-10T15:40:00.000Z","c-Dodger67-2022-04-13T09:35:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-04-10T15:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

According to this official Wordpress blog: “ The Disability Rights Center (DRC), was founded in 1974 by Ralph Nader and Deborah Kaplan in Washington, DC. It is the oldest non-membership, cross disability organization in the nation.” [4] Thriley (talk) 15:50, 10 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-10T15:50:00.000Z","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thriley-2022-04-10T15:50:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-04-10T15:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The very generic name presents a problem when searching for sources. The phrase brings up dozens of irrelevant Google hits - it seems like every other disability NGO and even large law firms have a "disability rights center". Sourcing this article might require trawling through news archives covering the late 1970s and 80s. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-13T09:35:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-13T09:35:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-04-10T15:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thriley-2022-04-14T18:04:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-13T09:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Yes, it is quite unfortunate about the name. Would it be acceptable to contact the organization to ask for source material? They must have an archive. Thriley (talk) 18:04, 14 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-14T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Thriley-2022-04-14T18:04:00.000Z-Dodger67-2022-04-13T09:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thriley-2022-04-14T18:09:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-04-14T18:04:00.000Z","c-Dodger67-2022-04-14T20:22:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-04-14T18:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Here's an interesting article:[5] Thriley (talk) 18:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-14T18:09:00.000Z","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Thriley-2022-04-14T18:09:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-04-14T18:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

@Thriley If you do contact them you need to really emphasize that you need independent sources, not their own PR - it can be really hard for them to grok. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:22, 14 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-14T20:22:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-04-14T20:22:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-04-14T18:04:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

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I just created a page for Julie Beckett. She lobbied for changes to Medicaid that would allow parents to be able to afford to take care of their disabled children at home. Any help with the article would be appreciated. I’ll try to add more this week. Best, Thriley (talk) 07:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-30T07:52:00.000Z","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thriley-2022-05-30T07:52:00.000Z-Julie_Beckett,_who_lobbied_for_changes_to_Medicaid,_has_died","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-2022-05-30T15:43:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-05-30T07:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

I bulked it up and destubbed it; Julie Beckett's work affects my everyday life, so I'm happy to make sure that article is solid. Penny Richards (talk) 15:43, 30 May 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-30T15:43:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2022-05-30T15:43:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-05-30T07:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thriley-2022-05-30T16:01:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-05-30T15:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you so much! I just nominated the article to recent deaths since the obits in The NY Times and Post were published less than a week ago. Best, Thriley (talk) 16:01, 30 May 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-30T16:01:00.000Z","author":"Thriley","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thriley-2022-05-30T16:01:00.000Z-Penny_Richards-2022-05-30T15:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-2022-05-31T03:31:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-05-30T16:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

And she's on the front page now. Very cool. Thanks for getting that one started. Penny Richards (talk) 03:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-31T03:31:00.000Z","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-2022-05-31T03:31:00.000Z-Thriley-2022-05-30T16:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Of possible interest to members: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Wheelchair bound. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 19:44, 13 June 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-13T19:44:00.000Z","author":"Rhododendrites","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rhododendrites-2022-06-13T19:44:00.000Z-Relevant_discussion_at_WTW","replies":[]}}-->

I have started this draft with some content copied from various articles about major subway systems. I am asking for some assistance to broaden the coverage of the article.

So far it only discusses the London, New York, and Paris systems and also only in terms of accessibitity for mobility impaired users. There is nothing about access features for blind or deaf passengers. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-07-09T07:54:00.000Z","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-2022-07-09T07:54:00.000Z-Draft:Accessibility_of_subways","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Please see User talk:LopezJayLo98#Disability pride articles where a discussion about improving the current coverage of the topic is happening. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220718070200","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-20220718070200-Disability_pride_articles_cleanup","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

The article is currently subject of a class project with an unusually large group of student editors, who are making quite extensive changes. Imho not all are improvements, please help keep an eye on it. I'm particularly concerned about the lead section, it is no longer compliant with MOSLEAD. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:53, 22 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221022065300","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dodger67-20221022065300-Heads-up_about_the_Disability_article","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-20221022173700-Dodger67-20221022065300"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Yeah, not all improvements, and it's hard to keep an eye on something that huge. There are so many more effective ways to structure a class activity than "let's edit the big major topic article as our first foray into Wikipedia". Penny Richards (talk) 17:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221022173700","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-20221022173700-Dodger67-20221022065300","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-20221022174300-Penny_Richards-20221022173700"]}}-->

It looks like that course assignment has now ended, so any repairs that happen now will have a better chance of staying a while.Penny Richards (talk) 17:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221022174300","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-20221022174300-Penny_Richards-20221022173700","replies":["c-Dodger67-20221024195500-Penny_Richards-20221022174300"]}}-->

@Penny Richards I think we should consider a somewhat strongly worded message to the Education project voicing our concerns about classes constantly targeting this article. It gets hit practically every semester, sometimes even by two classes almost at once, and this has gone on for several years. Meanwhile there are a whole lot of our "simpler" articles that could actually benefit from some concentrated attention. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221024195500","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dodger67-20221024195500-Penny_Richards-20221022174300","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-20221024203800-Dodger67-20221024195500"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

I'd sign onto that. What you said above is a plain and succinct summary of the problem. I'm sure other projects in other subject areas run into similar issues, so it would be have broader benefits if WikiEd would address it. Penny Richards (talk) 20:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221024203800","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-20221024203800-Dodger67-20221024195500","replies":[]}}-->

Disability flag was created about a borderline notable flag with some questionable claims. Since then two other flags have been added and the article is a bit of a mess. Wondering if some project members can take a look and see which flags, if any, should be included and how they should be presented. Slywriter (talk) 18:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221024185700","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Slywriter-20221024185700-Disability_flag_2","replies":["c-Dodger67-20221024194300-Slywriter-20221024185700"]}}-->

@Slywriter Thanks for raising this issue, I'm afraid I've been something of a "lone voice in the desert" about this (see the talk page). IMHO the tricolour flag is not the most widely recognized internationally as the Disability Flag, it's notability is marginal at best. The "rainbow" flag is far more widely known and associated with disability rights promotion and pride events, thus it should be the (main) subject of the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221024194300","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dodger67-20221024194300-Slywriter-20221024185700","replies":["c-Slywriter-20221027005600-Dodger67-20221024194300"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Dodger67, perhaps an RfC on which flag should be primary? Or RfC on whether to split into three articles with one primary and others disamb? Slywriter (talk) 00:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221027005600","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Slywriter-20221027005600-Dodger67-20221024194300","replies":["c-Dodger67-20221027162200-Slywriter-20221027005600"]}}-->

@Slywriter I think RFC is perhaps a bit "heavyweight". I don't think we're at the point yet where we need such a formal burocratic process. Let's wait and see if others join the conversation, perhaps a consensus will emerge. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221027162200","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dodger67-20221027162200-Slywriter-20221027005600","replies":["c-Slywriter-20221209223000-Dodger67-20221027162200"],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

Dodger67, just dropping in as seems this has stalled and the creator is back to focusing article on one specific flag. Slywriter (talk) 22:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221209223000","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Slywriter-20221209223000-Dodger67-20221027162200","replies":["c-Dodger67-20221213164800-Slywriter-20221209223000"]}}-->

@Slywriter I so wish others would give some input here. Sometimes I feel really alone on this project. Let's have that RFC you've been itching to launch, I hope it gets more attention. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221213164800","author":"Dodger67","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Dodger67-20221213164800-Slywriter-20221209223000","replies":[],"displayName":"Roger (Dodger67)"}}-->

At The Wizard of Oz, the question is raised, Why is this project listed at this article?. Any insight/rational is appreciated. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221231163500","author":"FlightTime","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FlightTime-20221231163500-The_Wizard_of_Oz","replies":["c-Penny_Richards-20230102035800-FlightTime-20221231163500"]}}-->

I didn't place that banner but it makes sense to me. Disability studies as a field has discussed Wizard of Oz over the years... this article comes to mind, for example. Penny Richards (talk) 03:58, 2 January 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230102035800","author":"Penny Richards","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Penny_Richards-20230102035800-FlightTime-20221231163500","replies":[]}}-->

• Joshua R. Eyler, "Disability and Prosthesis in L. Frank Baum’s The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" Children's Literature Association Quarterly 38(3)(Fall 2013): 319-334. doi:10.1353/chq.2013.0042