Wikipedia talk:Piped link

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Moderating some of the language

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Please see Wikipedia talk:Redirect#NOTBROKEN needs to be moderated – I've raised some concerns about how stridently opinionated that section has become, and how out-of-step with actual practice; it involves some language here at WP:NOPIPE also.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230826214000","author":"SMcCandlish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SMcCandlish-20230826214000-Moderating_some_of_the_language","replies":[]}}-->

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Example in section #transparency is wrong? +suggested change

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"At a minimum, link something that, obviously, wouldn't be the title of an article under our article title conventions:

a war launched in 1763 by a loose confederation of elements of Native American tribes"

Wouldn't the sentence be parsed as "(a war launched in 1763) by (a loose confederation of (elements of Native American tribes))"? The current link separates "elements" from the noun it describes ("Native American tribes").

So I think the correct linking would be "a loose confederation"  AltoStev (talk) 16:26, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230829162600","author":"AltoStev","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AltoStev-20230829162600-Example_in_section_#transparency_is_wrong?_+suggested_change","replies":[]}}-->

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Language Wikipedia

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Maybe something should be added about languages. Is WP:EASTEREGG to use Daniel J. Alpert (hidden redirect to German Wikipedia) instead of Daniel J. Alpert [de]? Example coming from WP:PHYSICS. ReyHahn (talk) 17:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231011170900","author":"ReyHahn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ReyHahn-20231011170900-Language_Wikipedia","replies":[]}}-->

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Possible conflict with screen reader software and search engines

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I'm wondering whether the advice:

☒N [[public transport|public transportation]]

checkY [[public transport]]ation

might conflict with screen readers or search engines. Specifically, would they treat "transport" and "ation" as two separate words? So:

  • People using screen readers might hear "public transport ation" as three words. Also, since "ation" is not a English word, it might be mispronounced.
  • Search engines might index the non-existent word "ation" or fail to match on a quote-surrounded exact-match search for "transportation".

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I just now asked Safari to read this section aloud and it did read [[public transport]]ation as three words as expected. I did not test with other screen readers or with VoiceOver. I guess to be complete I also need to test public transportation so will test that now. Ah, I see the generated code extends the link to include the full text, so not an issue in actual use. But still an issue on instructional pages where the Wiki code is not rendered due to the nowiki tag. So, an edge case problem. Leaving here for documentation. Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241028072400","author":"Thisisnotatest","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thisisnotatest-20241028072400-Thisisnotatest-20241028071400","replies":["c-Redrose64-20241028220100-Thisisnotatest-20241028072400","c-Graham87-20241029004200-Thisisnotatest-20241028072400"]}}-->
@Thisisnotatest: If you have any questions at all that concern whether something is accessible to users of screen reader software, the best place to ask is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility. But if you want a quick demo, check out User:Graham87/Personal Wikipedia timeline. In that, I have found the following eight:
If Graham87 (talk · contribs) uses this construct, you can bet that no problem exixts. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241028220100","author":"Redrose64","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Redrose64-20241028220100-Thisisnotatest-20241028072400","replies":[]}}-->
Yeah (a) it makes no difference in the rendered output and (b) how it appears in the edit window is no problem at all. Graham87 (talk) 00:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029004200","author":"Graham87","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Graham87-20241029004200-Thisisnotatest-20241028072400","replies":["c-Thisisnotatest-20241029070100-Graham87-20241029004200"]}}-->
Got it, thank you! And will try to remember to use Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility in the future for such questions. Although can't guarantee it if I'm in the middle of a wiki rabbit hole :) Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029070100","author":"Thisisnotatest","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Thisisnotatest-20241029070100-Graham87-20241029004200","replies":[]}}-->