be found, the article is usually deleted. Shortcuts WP:PRIMARYNEWSWP:PRIMARYNEWS WP:SECONDARYNEWSWP:SECONDARYNEWS The term "news-reporting media" is used...

times are primarynews, Crain's doesn't even have an author - it's mainly a photo by Studley - hardly a WP:RS. Which of those aren't WP:PRIMARYNEWS? Primary...

WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Fails WP:EVENTCRIT. Only covered by WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources with no WP:SIGCOV. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:56, 27 May 2023...

discussed in PRIMARYNEWS. Newspapers are generally primary sources, and if you want to know what that generally means, it is in PRIMARYNEWS. It is not just...

deprecate WP:PRIMARYNEWS - which there isn't - it would not supercede the general consensus. Furthermore, even ignoring WP:PRIMARYNEWS, WP:SECONDARY...

been done, etc. Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Delete primarynews or non-3rd party sources fail WP:GNG and far short of CORPDEPTH. Widefox;...

2018 (UTC) Delete 1. per nom, the sources I checked were primary and WP:PRIMARYNEWS, seems WP:TOOSOON. Widefox; talk 22:44, 1 March 2018 (UTC) Comment on...

WP:COMPANY on given sources - the strongest sources provided are a WP:PRIMARYNEWS interview in the Italian Wired magazine, and being "mentioned" alongside...

28 May 2012 (UTC) Comment - Each of the sources you listed are a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source or WP:ROUTINE coverage of the event so it doesn't actually pass...

September 2018 (UTC) Delete, fails BASIC/GNG, sources are mainly WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sam Sailor 06:06, 27 September 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved...

See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sources must be secondary to count towards notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC) I agree with WP:PRIMARYNEWS, which...

WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Fails WP:EVENTCRIT. Only covered by WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources with no WP:SIGCOV. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:56, 27 May 2023...

changes and the other talks about them being introduced. They also are WP: PRIMARYNEWS as they just repeat what people said. DAmik001 (talk) 21:32, 19 December...

L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 23:05, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Delete sources are primarynews or non-indi failing GNG. Widefox; talk 01:28, 18 March 2018 (UTC) Delete...

agree that notability is not temporary, but routine news reporting (WP:PRIMARYNEWS) does not confer that notability, that's why WP:NOT uses the term enduring...

are those that provide analysis and commentary on primary sources. WP:PRIMARYNEWS goes into more detail about how this relates to news organizations, but...

20:17, 25 May 2012 (UTC) Comment - All sources listed are either a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source or WP:ROUTINE coverage of the event so it doesn't actually pass...

sourcing fails GNG as several primaries, non-independent, and weak WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources. Appears entirely WP:TOOSOON. As with several cryptocurrency...

others above. Smallbones(smalltalk) 16:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Delete primarynews sources fail GNG. Widefox; talk 02:18, 18 March 2018 (UTC) Delete Per...

tulip colour, but I agree there's borderline stuff. The issue is WP:PRIMARYNEWS isn't it? Widefox; talk 22:49, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Ding ding ding...

23:34, 14 March 2018 (UTC) Delete run of the mill with sourcing being WP:PRIMARYNEWS failing CORPDEPTH. Widefox; talk 17:08, 15 March 2018 (UTC) The above...

I would caution that these sources all appear to be primary (see: WP:PRIMARYNEWS) and much of the information is arguably trivial. This is not a clear...

page, which include papers of record, so these are WP:RS but per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, the articles cited are primary sources, and primary sources do not count...

are news reports about the modernisation, and thus fall squarely in WP:PRIMARYNEWS. To consider that another way, the question is what makes the stadium...

really fall down on sources, as all of them seem to fall into the WP:PRIMARYNEWS bucket. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 21:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC) The above...

the shooting thus far is breaking news coverage, which falls under WP:PRIMARYNEWS. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC) Keep: Wait. Per WP:Deadline...

(talk) 15:01, 16 April 2025 (UTC) Oh they will report races. But then WP:PRIMARYNEWS would apply. We are looking for the secondary sourcing, and thus far...

primary source. Have a read of WP:PRIMARY and also WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Note, however, what PRIMARYNEWS says about book reviews. That is why I gave more weight...

31 August 2025 (UTC) Delete per PARAKANYAA. The coverage is all WP:PRIMARYNEWS about the crime, arrest and trial. I found nothing from after the 2018...

--Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:17, 23 March 2018 (UTC) Delete fails GNG per many/all primarynews or non-3rd party. If anyone can show me two indi RS, then I'll reconsider...

least three reliable, secondary sources (not primary governmental or WP:PRIMARYNEWS) develop. Note to closer: If draftify is not an accepted consensus, please...

though, since all sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC) @PARAKANYAA: WP:PRIMARYNEWS says ""Primary" is not, and should...

12:46, 26 May 2012 (UTC) Comment - All sources listed are either a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source or WP:ROUTINE coverage of the event so it doesn't actually pass...

CT55555 (talk) 00:41, 3 February 2022 (UTC) WP:MILL, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Star Garnet (talk) 01:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC) To expand: On a world-scale...

sources. NEWSORGINDIA pertains, as well as the usual issue around WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC) The above discussion...

CT55555 (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2022 (UTC) WP:MILL, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Star Garnet (talk) 01:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC) To expand: On a world-scale...

on the 10-year test is spot on: all of the sources presented are WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and there has been no WP:SIGCOV since then. All recent RS I can find...

doesn't say "persistent"; it says "significant". So we can't rely on WP:PRIMARYNEWS, press releases and interviews. If some article that is mentioned above...

our practice elsewhere and is fine. The route is not notable and WP:PRIMARYNEWS is not going to move the needle. If this is notable, then every route...

(UTC) Draftify/Userfy -- Sources right now are all WP:PRIMARY or WP:PRIMARYNEWS. I agree with Super Dromaeosaurus that it may well become notable after...

Sigcov. Okoslavia (talk) 15:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC) In the light of WP:PRIMARYNEWS, what, if any, of those 13 sources are secondary sources? From WP:BASIC:...

first time you're seeing this argument made? May I introduce to you WP:PRIMARYNEWS, part of the explanatory supplement WP:Identifying and using primary...

resigned) but still the headteacher of one of the Trust's schools see WP:PRIMARYNEWS and is not completely independent of the Trust. Leaves GNG, which isn't...

ATD for this non independently notable subject (GNG is not met. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS). Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:10, 26 November 2025 (UTC) The above discussion...

these are all reliable but they are all WP:PRIMARY. See particularly WP:PRIMARYNEWS if there is any doubt about that (there shouldn't be). Per WP:BASIC,...

editor who disagrees will attempt to improve the article by using a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source to debunk, contradict, or counter the mainstream views on a medical...

January 2024 (UTC) Delete -- Without any secondary sources (all are WP:PRIMARYNEWS), merging is not a good AtD, and there is no clear target for a merge...

journalists covering some event and being payed for it [3] falls under WP:PRIMARYNEWS. wumbolo ^^^ 14:17, 13 September 2018 (UTC) Note independent sources...

with no depth from British press. They have no analysis and so are WP:PRIMARYNEWS, not secondary as is needed for notability. The Daily Mail is one of...

the page violates WP:SYNTH and WP:UNDUE, and it relies mostly on WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources (as his mayoralty hasn't even started yet), not to mention that...

trees in North Carolina example", WP:NOT#ESSAY / WP:NOT#OR (combining WP:PRIMARYNEWS needing WP:OR), so WP:NOTNEWS, "Opinion pieces" WP:NOTOPINION "Wikipedia...

None of the above addresses it a) failing NMUSIC (that source is WP:PRIMARYNEWS), or b) account activity. Widefox; talk 10:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)...

get a page, and this does not meet NEVENT or GNG (all sourcing is WP:PRIMARYNEWS). PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC) Delete: Appears to be...

much per the reasoning RoySmith points out above. I find plenty of WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources from places like the WSJ, but very few sources from after the...

recapping events, while "one step away", is considered primary. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. And no, not for a considerable time - we're looking more than just a...

because: 1. Is reliable and factual, but is a primary source per WP:PRIMARYNEWS that does not provide any analysis on the incident - it just reports...

(talk) 13:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC) Delete. All the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources from immediately after the crash, and the topic fails WP:SUSTAINED...

just delete. WP:NOPAGE certainly pertains. The article is based on WP:PRIMARYNEWS and that doesn't meet GNG, but even if it were argued it did, NOPAGE...

they contribute to adding notability on the route as they might be WP: PRIMARYNEWS. All the sources about the current 44 bus route are also not WP: SUSTAINED...

interest. Reywas92Talk 19:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC) Most of those are WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources that basically repeat the raw data from the Iranian Airports...

WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Fails WP:EVENTCRIT. Only covered by WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources with no WP:SIGCOV. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:55, 27 May 2023...

then all would be automatically notable. In fact this fails under WP:PRIMARYNEWS. There is nothing here that indicates notability of this route. Sirfurboy🏄...

because none of these sources contribute to the GNG because they are all PRIMARYNEWS. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

November 2025 (UTC) Delete - The BBC and Muses magazine articles are WP:PRIMARYNEWS of potential axing (and reprieve) of the route. This kind of run of the...

(Telegraph etc) is WP:PRIMARYNEWS (i.e. we don't count primaries for notability, and the BBC source is investigative so per PRIMARYNEWS "Investigative reports"...

Im just confused. You previously wrote that newspaper articles are WP:PRIMARYNEWS and do not establish notability. Is that not the case? nableezy - 22:14...

the events described are indisputably primary—see WP:RSBREAKING and WP:PRIMARYNEWS for the reasoning. In conclusion, the article is in contravention of...

25 May 2012 (UTC) Actually they don't, as each of them is either a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source (WP:GNG requires secondary sources) or is just WP:ROUTINE coverage...

in The Guardian as primary and cites WP:PRIMARYNEWS, but it is not clear to me how they are using WP:PRIMARYNEWS to come to that conclusion. The Guardian's...

Tsop (talk) 14:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC) First off, the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS and I think the subject's death does not even meet WP:LASTING because...

are a couple of news reports, but the reporting would fall foul of WP:PRIMARYNEWS. The article itself is full of WP:OR, but the question is not whether...

component to these crimes. Every single source in the article is a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source published during and just after the manhunt. Epicgenius (talk)...

January 2025 (UTC) @BabbaQ How does this pass GNG? All sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS and this does not pass any aspect of WP:EVENTCRIT. There are no secondary...

secondary regardless of temporal distance (which is mentioned at WP:PRIMARYNEWS). Sources above are good. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)...

(talk) 23:21, 18 December 2023 (UTC) No, they are primary sources. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. They are both reports about the PBS show. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 23:45,...

developing and eyewitness accounts as about as primary as it gets. WP:PRIMARYNEWS goes into detail on this. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:12, 17 May 2023 (UTC)...

improved - now there's a lot of sources, a lot of which are NOTNEWS / primarynews, but on balance this is sourced with plenty of RS and if continued will...

WP:LASTING impact, nor have I been able to find secondary sources (WP:PRIMARYNEWS). lp0 on fire () 11:32, 15 December 2025 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

it did receive coverage in the news, but a lot of the coverage is WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources, and that does not automatically make a news story notable. I'd...

wars, not every action is independently notable. Sources here are WP:PRIMARYNEWS (and, no, lots and lots of news mentions in the weeks around the battle...

the same. These are primary sources per WP:PRIMARY and expanded in WP:PRIMARYNEWS. They tell us when the school was built, so it is good and reliable information...

WP:SECONDARY. Widefox; talk 12:19, 5 September 2016 (UTC) Specifically WP:PRIMARYNEWS, a news source like [1] is tabloid, devoid of much but a primary source...

not notability. This doesn't meet the GNG because all sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS, so none actually count for notability when it comes to the GNG. A sign...

to lease lands in favour of the university to be illegal. This is WP:PRIMARYNEWS. We are clearly WP:TOOSOON for this new venture and the page is essentially...

WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE beyond the routine coverage which is clearly WP:PRIMARYNEWS on the day of the event which includes breaking news and Reports on events...

which is not a usual scenario. Mr vili talk 18:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS aside (and that's important, actually, because we need secondary sources)...

Kazakhstan" in which the report states the page subject came second. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS, as well as WP:PRIMARY - especially note d. Additionally, as I said,...

report on notable events. --Habst (talk) 19:35, 10 April 2025 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS - a news report of a football club's new members and competition members...

on WP:NEVENT and WP:NCRIME. All of the sources currently cited are WP:PRIMARYNEWS. To by valid for mainspace, there need to be secondary sources that analyse...

you have reasons. Oblivy (talk) 02:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC) Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, reporting on an evolving investigation makes it a primary source. voorts...

17:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC) Those are passing coverage (classic WP:PRIMARYNEWS), and any sustained coverage in this case is routine coverage of the...

already listed. JaxsonR (talk) 18:02, 18 November 2025 (UTC) Delete per WP:PRIMARYNEWS: no secondary coverage at all; insufficient even for a mention in another...

thirty" article adds some weight, but it shades into being more of a WP:PRIMARYNEWS interview. --McGeddon (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2014 (UTC) Tilting that to...

is not encyclopedic. This has some passing mentions but no sigcov. WP:PRIMARYNEWS. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

meant to distinguish/help to distinguish events that may suffer from WP:PRIMARYNEWS (since, initially, that's going to be all of the sources). All of the...

contain analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis. (See WP:PRIMARYNEWS for more information.) We need retrospective sources providing analysis...

consensus, and we go by consensus and try to avoid WP:RECENTISM and WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Until there's secondary sources to say the lasting impact, we cannot...

sources you have posted below. From what I can tell, all of these are WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources (specifically, breaking news or eyewitness news sources describing...

In-depth coverage you would expect from a notable event, it is all WP:PRIMARYNEWS reporting. LGA talkedits 23:06, 3 August 2013 (UTC) Isn't it a bit soon...

publishers". The "covered by many articles" links you provide are both WP:PRIMARYNEWS interviews with the developer: these are not regarded as reliable sources...

around it so a merge to suitable article is prudent. Sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and we're WP:NOTNEWS . Widefox; talk 19:05, 4 July 2019 (UTC) Keep The...

That is what we are reading here. It is a primary source. See also WP:PRIMARYNEWS: "most news stories are considered primary sources" Sirfurboy🏄 (talk)...

something high-quality. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC) Read WP:PRIMARYNEWS. However, if you wish to work on it, I'll happily strike and replace...

caused by a motorbike. Primary sources do not count towards GNG. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2026 (UTC) Please add the sources...

notability Mischellemougly (talk) 15:40, 28 December 2023 (UTC) See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Interviews and reports of interviews are primary sources. The Vanitha...

October 2024 (UTC) None of the sources are secondary, they are all WP:PRIMARYNEWS. So this does not pass the GNG, and it does not have any of the things...

future, anyone can find secondary sources (all current cites are WP:PRIMARYNEWS) that use it as a case study or pinpoint lasting WP:EFFECT, the article...

Last1in (talk) 18:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC) Delete -- If you remove WP:PRIMARYNEWS, there is only one cited RS. This was an horrific event that deserves...

but nearly every source about this topic is either unreliable, or WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources from during the investigation. After the video was determined...

open new school buildings in Blackheath hit by the coronavirus. Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS this is news reporting, a primary source. It is local news, and run of...

impossible to say that the accident had a WP:LASTING impact with the WP:PRIMARYNEWS report provided. Also that source is still a WP:ROUTINE primary news...

content. The remaining sources, including the original cites, are still WP:PRIMARYNEWS. They are not continued WP:SIGCOV or WP:PERSISTENCE, just routine news...

WP:NEVENT? If we all move on it is not notable. All of the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS so none count for GNG. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:30, 16 April 2025 (UTC) FYI...

08:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC) It might be better to simply link to WP:PRIMARYNEWS: most news stories are considered primary sources. There are cases where...

there is no ongoing or continued coverage and no news reports beyond WP:PRIMARYNEWS on the day .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:19, 14 November 2017 (UTC)...

read and cite the primary scientific literature in preference to WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources. Later, these primary sources can be replaced or supplemented...

in those sources is purely contemporary, they should be considered WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Them being primary doesn't mean they're inaccurate, but it does mean...

secondary sources notability,: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS#Secondary_sources_for_notability It states, "AFDs require showing that...

2025 (UTC) Not exactly a bizarre nor troubling interpretation. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS: [...] Most reliable sources in academia name typical contemporary newspaper...

98.65.177 (talk) 13:17, 30 April 2025 (UTC) Please take a look at WP:PRIMARYNEWS, which says: "Yale University's guide to comparative literature lists...

CT55555 (talk) 00:47, 3 February 2022 (UTC) WP:MILL, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Star Garnet (talk) 01:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC) I see we're essentially...

towards notability. For the news report about closure, take a look at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Nothing here meets GNG. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2025 (UTC)...

GalatzTalk 18:47, 24 July 2017 (UTC) @Galatz: try WP:GEOSCOPE and WP:PRIMARYNEWS -- good reads and actual policies. I don't recall rarity ever being a...

or not the newspaper coverage is primary or secondary, please read WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC) Commment -- According...

independently notable. The sources above are entirely primary (mostly WP:PRIMARYNEWS), there is no separate notability of this particular event, and no secondary...

production is notable? Keep in mind that sources must be secondary (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS), independent of the subject, and reliable, and must contain significant...

primary without any secondary synthesis per WP:PRIMARY (note d) and see WP:PRIMARYNEWS. We need multiple independent reliable secondary sources with significant...

sources are not secondary” doesn’t seem to align with WP:SECONDARY, and WP:PRIMARYNEWS is an essay that seems to have a rather elitist idea of what constitutes...

Interviews are primary sources according to policy (which is reinforced at WP:PRIMARYNEWS), although historically if the interviewer provides significant analysis...

be notable, then all bus routes would be notable. Add to this the WP:PRIMARYNEWS element of the coverage. An article about the commencement or suspension...

site not a paper. But it is still all primary sourcing. Please see WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Also WP:PRIMARY and especially note d, which itself also refers to WP:NEWSORG...

WP:PRIMARYNEWS calls “secondary.” You wrote: several prominent publications offer precisely the kind of interpretative coverage that WP:PRIMARYNEWS refers...

interview...so it's semi-independent/OK but weak for whole BLP, but still WP:PRIMARYNEWS, with the exception being the Eliot Spitzer part. Still looks a bit TOOSOON...

street names given to locations in New York City. The only coverage is WP:PRIMARYNEWS coverage of the renaming being denied, then approved. A previous attempt...

meet WP:JUDGE, but the coverages appears to be mostly WP:TRIVIAL and WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Additional significant coverage would further solidify her notability...

because the article is reporting the merge discussion. Take a look at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Do you have sources from the Estonian wikipedia page we should be considering...

secondary sources notability,: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS#Secondary_sources_for_notability It states, "AFDs require showing that...

should also be secondary, and none of them are secondary sources. Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS (also an essay) and the related policy, WP:PRIMARY (see noted d), newspaper...

and not commenting on the story, are doing. This is outlined at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. (Note this doesn't mean all newspaper stories are primary, but most...

times are primarynews, Crain's doesn't even have an author - it's mainly a photo by Studley - hardly a WP:RS. Which of those aren't WP:PRIMARYNEWS? Primary...

primary source: it is news reporting of his gaining a scholarship. WP:PRIMARYNEWS has guidance. People are not notable simply for gaining scholarships...

of the overall war. For this particular article, the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS; no secondary analysis of this portion of the attack has emerged; in-depth...

Sources are all thing happened with little commentary, making them WP:PRIMARYNEWS PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:41, 26 March 2025 (UTC) Note: This discussion has...

more than one reference for this article all references are still WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources reporting on the upcoming television movie. There are no secondary...

note d. This shows the policy. Additional guidance can be found in WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC) I know that most of them...

the news-spike which happens during an incident. All of these are WP:PRIMARYNEWS and I'm sorry that doesn't satisfy WP:DEPTH. I don't see WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE...

17:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC) These look like primary news reporting (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS), and, per Doomsdayer520 above, mostly about Lady Gaga. This would be...

[8]. That's way over WP:GNG counting them as WP:RS (although yes, WP:PRIMARYNEWS). Per EVENT "It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not...

unavailable newspaper archive. News reports are generally primary. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:33, 29 April 2025 (UTC) Delete. The requisite...

subject are only supported by recent news media articles, which, per WP:PRIMARYNEWS are primary sources if they are any of the following: eyewitness news...

names of the medical facilities, and the short-term outcome, based on WP:PRIMARYNEWS – through (so far) 16 separate individuals. That's magazine content,...

I agree that adding Poland's call for further research may be a ​​WP:PRIMARYNEWS concern if we are adding the tinnitus information to the vaccine article...

you go and read the policy at WP:NOR, the supplementary material at WP:PRIMARYNEWS and then come back and strike the above comment. News articles (such...

sources that include independent analysis are not primary according to WP:PRIMARYNEWS , WP:SECONDARYNEWS and WP:LINKSINACHAIN There are also no essays, books...

agree that Wikipedia:Secondary does not mean independent and that WP:PRIMARYNEWS exists, but SV represented the other end of that spectrum. Consequently...

threatened to quit social media. I would consider these both within WP:PRIMARYNEWS, as an "... article is a primary source if it reports events, but a secondary...

secondary sources notability,: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS#Secondary_sources_for_notability It states, "AFDs require showing that...

selected for being unusual) in detail: All of these sources are local WP:PRIMARYNEWS. They are the opposite of WP:MEDRS. Most of them are next door to breaking...

provide context, perform comparisons, provide commentary, etc. (See WP:PRIMARYNEWS) This mode and detail of writing approaches more that of a book, bringing...

techzulu.com article is an interview: this makes it a primary source per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and it looks like it might be a self-published group blog. The otekbits...

consensus, and we go by consensus and try to avoid WP:RECENTISM and WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Until there's secondary sources to say the lasting impact, we cannot...

columns, which are primary sources by official Wikipedia policy per WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Among the criticisms are extensive defamatory allegations against Pope...

currently accessible to us. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and the policy: WP:PRIMARY - see note d. But, in fact, newspapers as...

The AP is the AP report covering the news conference, just routine WP:PRIMARYNEWS coverage. so lets not kid ourselves into thinking there is anything other...

it says sources shouldn't just mirror each other. I also recommend WP:PRIMARYNEWS which does not consider news reports as secondary sources since they...

also only two months later, except for routine legal proceedings, WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Antisemitic vandalism is very common. It making the news is also very...

at WP:NOR (which follows Secondary source), and explained out at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. I can't easily point to any specific discussion but most of that will...

(without any reports of deaths at that time), and while I'd keep in mind WP:PRIMARYNEWS, there are now at least four confirmed deaths, and the topic has WP:SIGCOV...

player has been signed, arrived and will play in the next match. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS: It is what is in the report that makes this primary. In any case, what...

(UTC) It's also a bit more self-contradictory than that. Those same WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources will be called "secondary" if you are having a discussion about...

12:46, 26 May 2012 (UTC) Comment - All sources listed are either a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source or WP:ROUTINE coverage of the event so it doesn't actually pass...

recapping events, while "one step away", is considered primary. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. And no, not for a considerable time - we're looking more than just a...

Most non-op-ed pieces in major newspapers are primary sources. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. --MASEM (t) 15:46, 5 September 2014 (UTC) I have added a section about...

sources will be lacking. As for primary news reporting, have a read of WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Note carefully my phrasing: "Much of what it says is primary". We are...

trees in North Carolina example", WP:NOT#ESSAY / WP:NOT#OR (combining WP:PRIMARYNEWS needing WP:OR), so WP:NOTNEWS, "Opinion pieces" WP:NOTOPINION "Wikipedia...

independent. However, I think it's a bit more complicated than that. WP:PRIMARYNEWS covers some of the differences between a primary news source (e.g., eyewitness...

classified as primary sources, as well as further down on that page in WP:PRIMARYNEWS, under 6.1. And GNG clearly states that sources should be secondary....

tells us that the page subject was standing for election in Athens. WP:PRIMARYNEWS pertains. Secondly, this is not just a news report; this is an endorsement...

15:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC) Those are both primary news reporting. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC) Honestly, I don't know...

demonstrating the lasting effect of the event then, as the coverage is all WP:PRIMARYNEWS reports and policy is routine news reporting on things like announcements...

"secondary" source? Because most news articles are primary sources; see WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Perhaps an independent source would be adequate. WhatamIdoing (talk)...

things like residents voting to borrow money to pay for it etc. are WP:PRIMARYNEWS, local interest and provide no depth about the school. It fills a set...

These news articles qualify as primary sources as per explained in WP:PRIMARYNEWS. For example, per the James Cook University (cited in the page), "A newspaper...

editor who disagrees will attempt to improve the article by using a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source to debunk, contradict, or counter the mainstream views on a medical...

--Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:17, 23 March 2018 (UTC) Delete fails GNG per many/all primarynews or non-3rd party. If anyone can show me two indi RS, then I'll reconsider...

WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE beyond the routine coverage which is clearly WP:PRIMARYNEWS on the day of the event which includes breaking news and Reports on events...

CT55555 (talk) 00:47, 3 February 2022 (UTC) WP:MILL, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Star Garnet (talk) 01:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC) I see we're essentially...

I agree that adding Poland's call for further research may be a ​​WP:PRIMARYNEWS concern if we are adding the tinnitus information to the vaccine article...

agree that notability is not temporary, but routine news reporting (WP:PRIMARYNEWS) does not confer that notability, that's why WP:NOT uses the term enduring...

this coverage is just news reporting, which is a primary source (WP:PRIMARYNEWS) and thus not relevant to notability discussions. What we need from sources...

as they are news reports about the event). They are primary. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. This is true of all the sources in the article save one. I was prepared...

GalatzTalk 18:47, 24 July 2017 (UTC) @Galatz: try WP:GEOSCOPE and WP:PRIMARYNEWS -- good reads and actual policies. I don't recall rarity ever being a...

criteria for either. The fact that the current list article uses WP:PRIMARYNEWS for nearly all cites is a side issue that can be resolved with good research...

the overall attack. For this particular article, the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS; no secondary analysis of this portion of the attack has emerged (as...

(Telegraph etc) is WP:PRIMARYNEWS (i.e. we don't count primaries for notability, and the BBC source is investigative so per PRIMARYNEWS "Investigative reports"...

publishers". The "covered by many articles" links you provide are both WP:PRIMARYNEWS interviews with the developer: these are not regarded as reliable sources...

it says sources shouldn't just mirror each other. I also recommend WP:PRIMARYNEWS which does not consider news reports as secondary sources since they...

tulip colour, but I agree there's borderline stuff. The issue is WP:PRIMARYNEWS isn't it? Widefox; talk 22:49, 11 February 2018 (UTC) Ding ding ding...

race results (not an official result listing), is not primary per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and significant by virtue of its length? --Habst (talk) 14:10, 19 June...

April 2023 (UTC) What agenda? Nfitz (talk) 06:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS says that interviews and reports of interviews with the subject of an...

the details of the crime and investigation and trial, and as per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, they are considered primary sources for our notability guidelines, meaning...

title I strongly suspect this would be primary news reporting - see WP:PRIMARYNEWS, but in any case, it is currently nothing at all. Similar problems for...

None of the above addresses it a) failing NMUSIC (that source is WP:PRIMARYNEWS), or b) account activity. Widefox; talk 10:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)...

constitute significant coverage, but they're not secondary sources. cf. WP:PRIMARYNEWS. I don't see any kind of "retrospective" coverage, it's the same type...

WP:SECONDARY. Widefox; talk 12:19, 5 September 2016 (UTC) Specifically WP:PRIMARYNEWS, a news source like [25] is tabloid, devoid of much but a primary source...

there is no ongoing or continued coverage and no news reports beyond WP:PRIMARYNEWS on the day .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:19, 14 November 2017 (UTC)...

The AP is the AP report covering the news conference, just routine WP:PRIMARYNEWS coverage. so lets not kid ourselves into thinking there is anything other...

improved - now there's a lot of sources, a lot of which are NOTNEWS / primarynews, but on balance this is sourced with plenty of RS and if continued will...

journalists covering some event and being payed for it [85] falls under WP:PRIMARYNEWS. wumbolo ^^^ 14:17, 13 September 2018 (UTC) Note independent sources...

sources are required), and the day-of reporting of the NYT would be WP:PRIMARYNEWS. However, as made clear in this historiography review article: Launius...

at WP:NOR (which follows Secondary source), and explained out at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. I can't easily point to any specific discussion but most of that will...

sourcing fails GNG as several primaries, non-independent, and weak WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources. Appears entirely WP:TOOSOON. As with several cryptocurrency...

Tsop (talk) 14:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC) First off, the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS and I think the subject's death does not even meet WP:LASTING because...

stories about upcoming destinations are also primary sources (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS). Generally speaking I do believe AeroRoutes and even the airline website...

Interviews are primary sources according to policy (which is reinforced at WP:PRIMARYNEWS), although historically if the interviewer provides significant analysis...

classified as primary sources, as well as further down on that page in WP:PRIMARYNEWS, under 6.1. And GNG clearly states that sources should be secondary....

Fu Man (talk) 17:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC) These are primary. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:43, 16 December 2023 (UTC) Not all of them, unless...

Im just confused. You previously wrote that newspaper articles are WP:PRIMARYNEWS and do not establish notability. Is that not the case? nableezy - 22:14...

are primary sources for that event - That can sometimes be true see WP:PRIMARYNEWS for more info. Generally, a newspaper article is a primary source if...

doesn't say "persistent"; it says "significant". So we can't rely on WP:PRIMARYNEWS, press releases and interviews. If some article that is mentioned above...

interviewee is the subject who is talking about themselves. For clarity, WP:PRIMARYNEWS, WP:ALLPRIMARY and WP:SPIP discuss interviews as sources. Majority of...

the news-spike which happens during an incident. All of these are WP:PRIMARYNEWS and I'm sorry that doesn't satisfy WP:DEPTH. I don't see WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE...

[57]. That's way over WP:GNG counting them as WP:RS (although yes, WP:PRIMARYNEWS). Per EVENT "It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not...

thirty" article adds some weight, but it shades into being more of a WP:PRIMARYNEWS interview. --McGeddon (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2014 (UTC) Tilting that to...

and not commenting on the story, are doing. This is outlined at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. (Note this doesn't mean all newspaper stories are primary, but most...

techzulu.com article is an interview: this makes it a primary source per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and it looks like it might be a self-published group blog. The otekbits...

been done, etc. Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Delete primarynews or non-3rd party sources fail WP:GNG and far short of CORPDEPTH. Widefox;...

others above. Smallbones(smalltalk) 16:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Delete primarynews sources fail GNG. Widefox; talk 02:18, 18 March 2018 (UTC) Delete Per...

2018 (UTC) Delete 1. per nom, the sources I checked were primary and WP:PRIMARYNEWS, seems WP:TOOSOON. Widefox; talk 22:44, 1 March 2018 (UTC) Comment on...

the as category.--Kevmin § 17:06, 13 February 2026 (UTC) Same with WP:PRIMARYNEWS, especially for recent events that will obviously have a significant...

17:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC) Those are passing coverage (classic WP:PRIMARYNEWS), and any sustained coverage in this case is routine coverage of the...

are primary sources for that event - That can sometimes be true see WP:PRIMARYNEWS for more info. Generally, a newspaper article is a primary source if...

convincing). That would lead to banning most cable news, and therefore most WP:PRIMARYNEWS, also shifting the criteria for notability. wumbolo ^^^ 17:59, 8 September...

secondary sources notability,: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS#Secondary_sources_for_notability It states, "AFDs require showing that...

WP:NOTMEMORIAL. All this fresh news coverage in the past week is WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and we need secondary coverage over time to show that he is truly notable...

first time you're seeing this argument made? May I introduce to you WP:PRIMARYNEWS, part of the explanatory supplement WP:Identifying and using primary...

September 2018 (UTC) Delete, fails BASIC/GNG, sources are mainly WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sam Sailor 06:06, 27 September 2018 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved...

impossible to say that the accident had a WP:LASTING impact with the WP:PRIMARYNEWS report provided. Also that source is still a WP:ROUTINE primary news...

Most non-op-ed pieces in major newspapers are primary sources. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. --MASEM (t) 15:46, 5 September 2014 (UTC) I have added a section about...

interview...so it's semi-independent/OK but weak for whole BLP, but still WP:PRIMARYNEWS, with the exception being the Eliot Spitzer part. Still looks a bit TOOSOON...

secondary sources notability,: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS#Secondary_sources_for_notability It states, "AFDs require showing that...

23:34, 14 March 2018 (UTC) Delete run of the mill with sourcing being WP:PRIMARYNEWS failing CORPDEPTH. Widefox; talk 17:08, 15 March 2018 (UTC) The above...

25 May 2012 (UTC) Actually they don't, as each of them is either a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source (WP:GNG requires secondary sources) or is just WP:ROUTINE coverage...

the details of the crime and investigation and trial, and as per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, they are considered primary sources for our notability guidelines, meaning...

or not the newspaper coverage is primary or secondary, please read WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC) Commment -- According...

WP:COMPANY on given sources - the strongest sources provided are a WP:PRIMARYNEWS interview in the Italian Wired magazine, and being "mentioned" alongside...

about the school itself beyond its location). These are independent WP:PRIMARYNEWS stories, but nobody enforces the requirement for true secondary sources...

provide context, perform comparisons, provide commentary, etc. (See WP:PRIMARYNEWS) This mode and detail of writing approaches more that of a book, bringing...

more than one reference for this article all references are still WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources reporting on the upcoming television movie. There are no secondary...

WP:NOTMEMORIAL. All this fresh news coverage in the past week is WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and we need secondary coverage over time to show that he is truly notable...

WP:EFFECT or WP:DEPTH. All sources in article are either NOAA or WP:PRIMARYNEWS. No reason for a standalone article to exist. Note for closer: If merge...

secondary sources notability,: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS#Secondary_sources_for_notability It states, "AFDs require showing that...

this new interpretation? Nfitz (talk) 21:34, 17 August 2025 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and, indeed WP:PRIMARY. See the notes. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:10, 17...

motive, doesn't mean anything. USchick (talk) 16:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC) As PRIMARYNEWS points out, it is not the case that any newspaper article is automatically...

you might like to read WP:USEPRIMARY. In this particular case, the WP:PRIMARYNEWS subsection might interest you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:56, 26 March 2012...

more on this from Wikipedia's policy point of view, have a read of WP:PRIMARYNEWS. These are not secondary sources, and yes, they are very close to an...

28 May 2012 (UTC) Comment - Each of the sources you listed are a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source or WP:ROUTINE coverage of the event so it doesn't actually pass...

around it so a merge to suitable article is prudent. Sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and we're WP:NOTNEWS . Widefox; talk 19:05, 4 July 2019 (UTC) Keep The...

motive, doesn't mean anything. USchick (talk) 16:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC) As PRIMARYNEWS points out, it is not the case that any newspaper article is automatically...

from Olympedia), and that those are not the same person? Also per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, news reporting can be secondary and often is with analysis. --Habst...

sources are required), and the day-of reporting of the NYT would be WP:PRIMARYNEWS. However, as made clear in this historiography review article: Launius...

significant coverage from reliable sources, much of the coverage is from WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources published directly after it happened. Many of the other sources...

news" is technically a primary (and non-self-published) source per WP:PRIMARYNEWS. You therefore need to use the source carefully, being careful not to...

Maelefique, I haven't seen any secondary sources being proposed. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS: most news stories are primary sources. Secondary does not mean second-hand...

WP:PRIMARYNEWS calls “secondary.” You wrote: several prominent publications offer precisely the kind of interpretative coverage that WP:PRIMARYNEWS refers...

valuation, no matter how many sources do it, is still news reporting, and WP:PRIMARYNEWS is a useful guideline to consider on that score. To look at this another...

Andy Dingley (talk) 11:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC) See WP:PRIMARY and WP:PRIMARYNEWS (part of WP:USEPRIMARY which is directly linked from WP:PRIMARY). Its...

after some period of time? nableezy - 21:24, 3 December 2018 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS probably applies here, but primary doesn't mean bad or unreliable - primary...

of primary source material (emphasis in original) as discussed in WP:PRIMARYNEWS as strong sources for notability; they are adding new primary material...

WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Fails WP:EVENTCRIT. Only covered by WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources with no WP:SIGCOV. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:56, 27 May 2023...

McDonald (talk) 18:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC) And I pointed out via WP:PRIMARYNEWS/WP:PSTS that that thinking was wrong; newspaper articles simply reporting...

demonstrating the lasting effect of the event then, as the coverage is all WP:PRIMARYNEWS reports and policy is routine news reporting on things like announcements...

deprecate WP:PRIMARYNEWS - which there isn't - it would not supercede the general consensus. Furthermore, even ignoring WP:PRIMARYNEWS, WP:SECONDARY...

Maxim's legal challenge, and is thus primary news reporting (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS), but for both and others, the major problem is all we have to write...

discussed in PRIMARYNEWS. Newspapers are generally primary sources, and if you want to know what that generally means, it is in PRIMARYNEWS. It is not just...

parse the Daily Caller report. I suggest treating Daily Caller as WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and using the Fox piece (the most professional on the topic that Google...

That is what we are reading here. It is a primary source. See also WP:PRIMARYNEWS: "most news stories are considered primary sources" Sirfurboy🏄 (talk)...

it is reported - there is no reflection or analysis. It is still WP:PRIMARYNEWS. It is a very minor thing that happened to him. Using all the minor details...

in The Guardian as primary and cites WP:PRIMARYNEWS, but it is not clear to me how they are using WP:PRIMARYNEWS to come to that conclusion. The Guardian's...

guarantee notability" and WP:GNG requires secondary sources, not WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Orange sticker (talk) 11:10, 28 January 2026 (UTC) Which is why I pointed...

always displayed to you because I respect your contributions. Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, news coverage with analysis is typically considered secondary coverage...

it did receive coverage in the news, but a lot of the coverage is WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources, and that does not automatically make a news story notable. Per...

examples of alleged criminality in reliable and independent sources. WP:PRIMARYNEWS is an essay that argues that breaking news should be considered "primary"...

See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sources must be secondary to count towards notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC) I agree with WP:PRIMARYNEWS, which...

are those that provide analysis and commentary on primary sources. WP:PRIMARYNEWS goes into more detail about how this relates to news organizations, but...

our practice elsewhere and is fine. The route is not notable and WP:PRIMARYNEWS is not going to move the needle. If this is notable, then every route...

are news reports about the modernisation, and thus fall squarely in WP:PRIMARYNEWS. To consider that another way, the question is what makes the stadium...

primary source. Have a read of WP:PRIMARY and also WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Note, however, what PRIMARYNEWS says about book reviews. That is why I gave more weight...

sources above (and some not listed) all are primary per WP:PRIMARY and WP:PRIMARYNEWS. None of the current crop of stories list contain "an author's analysis...

though, since all sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC) @PARAKANYAA: WP:PRIMARYNEWS says ""Primary" is not, and should...

McDonald (talk) 18:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC) And I pointed out via WP:PRIMARYNEWS/WP:PSTS that that thinking was wrong; newspaper articles simply reporting...

inclusion of the subject of that coverage. This is also reflected in PRIMARYNEWS and in the sources used at PRIMARY. JoelleJay (talk) 04:55, 10 April...

(talk) 15:01, 16 April 2025 (UTC) Oh they will report races. But then WP:PRIMARYNEWS would apply. We are looking for the secondary sourcing, and thus far...

those that demonstrate notability are WP:SECONDARY sources. Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, sources that report news are primary sources. This ought to be obvious...

but it's not notable. – It is reporting and this is primary per WP:PRIMARYNEWS. However, as I know people will want to claim otherwise, and SIGCOV is...

countries in Asia. which is well short of ORGDEPTH It's a news report amd WP:PRIMARYNEWS pertains, but is information about the subject secondary in a discursive...

but it's not notable. – It is reporting and this is primary per WP:PRIMARYNEWS. However, as I know people will want to claim otherwise, and SIGCOV is...

Sigcov. Okoslavia (talk) 15:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC) In the light of WP:PRIMARYNEWS, what, if any, of those 13 sources are secondary sources? From WP:BASIC:...

page, which include papers of record, so these are WP:RS but per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, the articles cited are primary sources, and primary sources do not count...

contain analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis. (See WP:PRIMARYNEWS for more information.) We need retrospective sources providing analysis...

things like residents voting to borrow money to pay for it etc. are WP:PRIMARYNEWS, local interest and provide no depth about the school. It fills a set...

because none of these sources contribute to the GNG because they are all PRIMARYNEWS. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

(talk) 23:21, 18 December 2023 (UTC) No, they are primary sources. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. They are both reports about the PBS show. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 23:45,...

which is not a usual scenario. Mr vili talk 18:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS aside (and that's important, actually, because we need secondary sources)...

should also be secondary, and none of them are secondary sources. Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS (also an essay) and the related policy, WP:PRIMARY (see noted d), newspaper...

you're not familiar with the use of newspapers in historiography, WP:PRIMARYNEWS has a good explainer. Third is that other articles haven't been deleted...

because: 1. Is reliable and factual, but is a primary source per WP:PRIMARYNEWS that does not provide any analysis on the incident - it just reports...

changes and the other talks about them being introduced. They also are WP: PRIMARYNEWS as they just repeat what people said. DAmik001 (talk) 21:32, 19 December...

Similarly, a newspaper article might be primary or secondary; see WP:PRIMARYNEWS for more on that. I find that, over the years, editors have been quick...

report on notable events. --Habst (talk) 19:35, 10 April 2025 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS - a news report of a football club's new members and competition members...

Fu Man (talk) 17:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC) These are primary. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:43, 16 December 2023 (UTC) Not all of them, unless...

is not encyclopedic. This has some passing mentions but no sigcov. WP:PRIMARYNEWS. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

in those sources is purely contemporary, they should be considered WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Them being primary doesn't mean they're inaccurate, but it does mean...

of sourcing involved. News reporting will be a primary source (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS) although analysis will usually be secondary. For notability puproses...

the shooting thus far is breaking news coverage, which falls under WP:PRIMARYNEWS. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC) Keep: Wait. Per WP:Deadline...

subject are only supported by recent news media articles, which, per WP:PRIMARYNEWS are primary sources if they are any of the following: eyewitness news...

98.65.177 (talk) 13:17, 30 April 2025 (UTC) Please take a look at WP:PRIMARYNEWS, which says: "Yale University's guide to comparative literature lists...

Maxim's legal challenge, and is thus primary news reporting (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS), but for both and others, the major problem is all we have to write...

own positions. In fact, that's even true for for-profit businesses. WP:PRIMARYNEWS says, "The organization's own website is an acceptable (although possibly...

I would caution that these sources all appear to be primary (see: WP:PRIMARYNEWS) and much of the information is arguably trivial. This is not a clear...

developing and eyewitness accounts as about as primary as it gets. WP:PRIMARYNEWS goes into detail on this. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:12, 17 May 2023 (UTC)...

with caution. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC) See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. A newspaper is a primary source if it reports events, but a secondary...

criteria for either. The fact that the current list article uses WP:PRIMARYNEWS for nearly all cites is a side issue that can be resolved with good research...

currently accessible to us. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and the policy: WP:PRIMARY - see note d. But, in fact, newspapers as...

interviewee is the subject who is talking about themselves. For clarity, WP:PRIMARYNEWS, WP:ALLPRIMARY and WP:SPIP discuss interviews as sources. Majority of...

unavailable newspaper archive. News reports are generally primary. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:33, 29 April 2025 (UTC) Delete. The requisite...

primary source: it is news reporting of his gaining a scholarship. WP:PRIMARYNEWS has guidance. People are not notable simply for gaining scholarships...

content. The remaining sources, including the original cites, are still WP:PRIMARYNEWS. They are not continued WP:SIGCOV or WP:PERSISTENCE, just routine news...

exception, are primary sources, and must be treated with caution. WP:PRIMARYNEWS also gives a little explainer. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:19, 13 August...

October 2023 (UTC) @Infinity Knight, the HT piece that you linked is WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Why would you be using that source at all? I don't think we need to...

with caution. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC) See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. A newspaper is a primary source if it reports events, but a secondary...

April 2023 (UTC) What agenda? Nfitz (talk) 06:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS says that interviews and reports of interviews with the subject of an...

should probably be different for the two. We're starting off with WP:PRIMARYNEWS, not a secondary source, and that realistically might be the most we...

guarantee notability" and WP:GNG requires secondary sources, not WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Orange sticker (talk) 11:10, 28 January 2026 (UTC) Which is why I pointed...

really fall down on sources, as all of them seem to fall into the WP:PRIMARYNEWS bucket. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 21:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC) The above...

days have expired, you might want to take that up at WP:PRIMARY or WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC) It is the place for arguing...

but nearly every source about this topic is either unreliable, or WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources from during the investigation. After the video was determined...

production is notable? Keep in mind that sources must be secondary (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS), independent of the subject, and reliable, and must contain significant...

2025 (UTC) Not exactly a bizarre nor troubling interpretation. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS: [...] Most reliable sources in academia name typical contemporary newspaper...

secondary regardless of temporal distance (which is mentioned at WP:PRIMARYNEWS). Sources above are good. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)...

sources will be lacking. As for primary news reporting, have a read of WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Note carefully my phrasing: "Much of what it says is primary". We are...

WP:OR. Bon courage (talk) 03:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC) From Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS: A newspaper article is a primary source if it reports events, but a...

resigned) but still the headteacher of one of the Trust's schools see WP:PRIMARYNEWS and is not completely independent of the Trust. Leaves GNG, which isn't...

from the top of the policy). If you've got a primary source (like WP:PRIMARYNEWS) that says "United Airlines flies from Smallville Regional Airport to...

already listed. JaxsonR (talk) 18:02, 18 November 2025 (UTC) Delete per WP:PRIMARYNEWS: no secondary coverage at all; insufficient even for a mention in another...

as they are news reports about the event). They are primary. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. This is true of all the sources in the article save one. I was prepared...

from Olympedia), and that those are not the same person? Also per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, news reporting can be secondary and often is with analysis. --Habst...

countries in Asia. which is well short of ORGDEPTH It's a news report amd WP:PRIMARYNEWS pertains, but is information about the subject secondary in a discursive...

(talk) 13:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC) Delete. All the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources from immediately after the crash, and the topic fails WP:SUSTAINED...

Newspaper reports are generally primary sources. See, for instance WP:PRIMARYNEWS. But that is not always the case either. Whether a source is primary...

the page violates WP:SYNTH and WP:UNDUE, and it relies mostly on WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources (as his mayoralty hasn't even started yet), not to mention that...

current events) do not align with the written rules (breaking news is WP:PRIMARYNEWS). The community sometimes chooses to be aspirational in its written rules...

constitute significant coverage, but they're not secondary sources. cf. WP:PRIMARYNEWS. I don't see any kind of "retrospective" coverage, it's the same type...

get a page, and this does not meet NEVENT or GNG (all sourcing is WP:PRIMARYNEWS). PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC) Delete: Appears to be...

on WP:NEVENT and WP:NCRIME. All of the sources currently cited are WP:PRIMARYNEWS. To by valid for mainspace, there need to be secondary sources that analyse...

examples of alleged criminality in reliable and independent sources. WP:PRIMARYNEWS is an essay that argues that breaking news should be considered "primary"...

this coverage is just news reporting, which is a primary source (WP:PRIMARYNEWS) and thus not relevant to notability discussions. What we need from sources...

significant coverage from reliable sources, much of the coverage is from WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources published directly after it happened. Many of the other sources...

the best source currently in that article? And wouldn't NatGeo be WP:PRIMARYNEWS for this anyway?) And this popsci-sourced, pro-fringe According to Joseph...

component to these crimes. Every single source in the article is a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source published during and just after the manhunt. Epicgenius (talk)...

interest. Reywas92Talk 19:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC) Most of those are WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources that basically repeat the raw data from the Iranian Airports...

hype the businesses or to denigrate them) potentially better than WP:PRIMARYNEWS articles, especially if the news article has little more than a passing...

valuation, no matter how many sources do it, is still news reporting, and WP:PRIMARYNEWS is a useful guideline to consider on that score. To look at this another...

substantial answers, which is some kind of puffery but not flat-out wrong. WP:PRIMARYNEWS might be a reason not to use these sources rather than because of reliability...

meant to distinguish/help to distinguish events that may suffer from WP:PRIMARYNEWS (since, initially, that's going to be all of the sources). All of the...

These news articles qualify as primary sources as per explained in WP:PRIMARYNEWS. For example, per the James Cook University (cited in the page), "A newspaper...

meet WP:JUDGE, but the coverages appears to be mostly WP:TRIVIAL and WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Additional significant coverage would further solidify her notability...

(without any reports of deaths at that time), and while I'd keep in mind WP:PRIMARYNEWS, there are now at least four confirmed deaths, and the topic has WP:SIGCOV...

sourced, since it's an 11-year-old claim supported by equally old WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:59, 13 August 2025 (UTC) Which is a much...

much per the reasoning RoySmith points out above. I find plenty of WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources from places like the WSJ, but very few sources from after the...

towards notability. For the news report about closure, take a look at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Nothing here meets GNG. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2025 (UTC)...

October 2024 (UTC) None of the sources are secondary, they are all WP:PRIMARYNEWS. So this does not pass the GNG, and it does not have any of the things...

on the 10-year test is spot on: all of the sources presented are WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and there has been no WP:SIGCOV since then. All recent RS I can find...

relevant guideline is at WP:RSBREAKING, further explanation is at WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and I express my own thoughts about this in greater detail at...

those that demonstrate notability are WP:SECONDARY sources. Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, sources that report news are primary sources. This ought to be obvious...

WP:LASTING impact, nor have I been able to find secondary sources (WP:PRIMARYNEWS). lp0 on fire () 11:32, 15 December 2025 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

you have reasons. Oblivy (talk) 02:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC) Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, reporting on an evolving investigation makes it a primary source. voorts...

Sources are all thing happened with little commentary, making them WP:PRIMARYNEWS PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:41, 26 March 2025 (UTC) Note: This discussion has...

January 2025 (UTC) @BabbaQ How does this pass GNG? All sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS and this does not pass any aspect of WP:EVENTCRIT. There are no secondary...

note d. This shows the policy. Additional guidance can be found in WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC) I know that most of them...

of the overall war. For this particular article, the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS; no secondary analysis of this portion of the attack has emerged; in-depth...

17:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC) These look like primary news reporting (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS), and, per Doomsdayer520 above, mostly about Lady Gaga. This would be...

stories about upcoming destinations are also primary sources (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS). Generally speaking I do believe AeroRoutes and even the airline website...

independently notable. The sources above are entirely primary (mostly WP:PRIMARYNEWS), there is no separate notability of this particular event, and no secondary...

cancer this week. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:24, 30 May 2025 (UTC) Phil, WP:PRIMARYNEWS says that most news reports are primary sources. WhatamIdoing (talk)...

WP:EFFECT or WP:DEPTH. All sources in article are either NOAA or WP:PRIMARYNEWS. No reason for a standalone article to exist. Note for closer: If merge...

inclusion of the subject of that coverage. This is also reflected in PRIMARYNEWS and in the sources used at PRIMARY. JoelleJay (talk) 04:55, 10 April...

it did receive coverage in the news, but a lot of the coverage is WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources, and that does not automatically make a news story notable. Per...

makes it a WP:PRIMARY source according to academic consensus, see WP:PRIMARYNEWS for explanation). But if outlets are publishing retrospective articles...

wiki-verse understand the distinction "poorly". Editors struggle with WP:PRIMARYNEWS, especially when it comes to the question of notability ("But event is...

WP:EFFECT or WP:DEPTH. All sources in article are either NOAA or WP:PRIMARYNEWS. No reason for a standalone article to exist. Note for closer: If merge...

Kazakhstan" in which the report states the page subject came second. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS, as well as WP:PRIMARY - especially note d. Additionally, as I said,...

the events described are indisputably primary—see WP:RSBREAKING and WP:PRIMARYNEWS for the reasoning. In conclusion, the article is in contravention of...

site not a paper. But it is still all primary sourcing. Please see WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Also WP:PRIMARY and especially note d, which itself also refers to WP:NEWSORG...

August 2023 (UTC) WP:Secondary does not mean secondhand. Please read WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Most newspaper articles are primary sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:22...

they contribute to adding notability on the route as they might be WP: PRIMARYNEWS. All the sources about the current 44 bus route are also not WP: SUSTAINED...

future, anyone can find secondary sources (all current cites are WP:PRIMARYNEWS) that use it as a case study or pinpoint lasting WP:EFFECT, the article...

also only two months later, except for routine legal proceedings, WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Antisemitic vandalism is very common. It making the news is also very...

self-description is WP:ABOUTSELF content) and primary sources (e.g., WP:PRIMARYNEWS reports about a ribbon cutting ceremony to celebrate a new destination)...

race results (not an official result listing), is not primary per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and significant by virtue of its length? --Habst (talk) 14:10, 19 June...

the as category.--Kevmin § 17:06, 13 February 2026 (UTC) Same with WP:PRIMARYNEWS, especially for recent events that will obviously have a significant...

Antonio's first nonstop service to Europe. Naturally there are only WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources about this route currently. Does that mean this flight does not...

the sourcing consists entirely of WP:PRIMARY sources in the form of WP:PRIMARYNEWS reporting, where all of the sources are breaking news or updates to the...

the overall attack. For this particular article, the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS; no secondary analysis of this portion of the attack has emerged (as...

tells us that the page subject was standing for election in Athens. WP:PRIMARYNEWS pertains. Secondly, this is not just a news report; this is an endorsement...

sources are not secondary” doesn’t seem to align with WP:SECONDARY, and WP:PRIMARYNEWS is an essay that seems to have a rather elitist idea of what constitutes...

this new interpretation? Nfitz (talk) 21:34, 17 August 2025 (UTC) WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and, indeed WP:PRIMARY. See the notes. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:10, 17...

because the article is reporting the merge discussion. Take a look at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Do you have sources from the Estonian wikipedia page we should be considering...

sources. NEWSORGINDIA pertains, as well as the usual issue around WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC) The above discussion...

of primary source material (emphasis in original) as discussed in WP:PRIMARYNEWS as strong sources for notability; they are adding new primary material...

threatened to quit social media. I would consider these both within WP:PRIMARYNEWS, as an "... article is a primary source if it reports events, but a secondary...

more on this from Wikipedia's policy point of view, have a read of WP:PRIMARYNEWS. These are not secondary sources, and yes, they are very close to an...

to lease lands in favour of the university to be illegal. This is WP:PRIMARYNEWS. We are clearly WP:TOOSOON for this new venture and the page is essentially...

edit. They added 24 sources to the table; however, 22 of them are WP:PRIMARYNEWS or blogs. Since Reywas92 did not participate in the discussion portion...

Similarly, a newspaper article might be primary or secondary; see WP:PRIMARYNEWS for more on that. I find that, over the years, editors have been quick...

notability Mischellemougly (talk) 15:40, 28 December 2023 (UTC) See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Interviews and reports of interviews are primary sources. The Vanitha...

always displayed to you because I respect your contributions. Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, news coverage with analysis is typically considered secondary coverage...

not notability. This doesn't meet the GNG because all sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS, so none actually count for notability when it comes to the GNG. A sign...

31 August 2025 (UTC) Delete per PARAKANYAA. The coverage is all WP:PRIMARYNEWS about the crime, arrest and trial. I found nothing from after the 2018...

it did receive coverage in the news, but a lot of the coverage is WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources, and that does not automatically make a news story notable. I'd...

primary without any secondary synthesis per WP:PRIMARY (note d) and see WP:PRIMARYNEWS. We need multiple independent reliable secondary sources with significant...

caused by a motorbike. Primary sources do not count towards GNG. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2026 (UTC) Please add the sources...

January 2024 (UTC) Delete -- Without any secondary sources (all are WP:PRIMARYNEWS), merging is not a good AtD, and there is no clear target for a merge...

something high-quality. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC) Read WP:PRIMARYNEWS. However, if you wish to work on it, I'll happily strike and replace...

required to do it. We have to remember primary sources also include WP:PRIMARYNEWS articles, and not just the works themselves. So, in my example with the...

title I strongly suspect this would be primary news reporting - see WP:PRIMARYNEWS, but in any case, it is currently nothing at all. Similar problems for...

street names given to locations in New York City. The only coverage is WP:PRIMARYNEWS coverage of the renaming being denied, then approved. A previous attempt...

thought to transform the information into something new, all per WP:PRIMARYNEWS. The same applies to simple rote recaps, compared to reviews that provide...

08:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC) It might be better to simply link to WP:PRIMARYNEWS: most news stories are considered primary sources. There are cases where...

Newspaper reports are generally primary sources. See, for instance WP:PRIMARYNEWS. But that is not always the case either. Whether a source is primary...

these are all reliable but they are all WP:PRIMARY. See particularly WP:PRIMARYNEWS if there is any doubt about that (there shouldn't be). Per WP:BASIC,...

open new school buildings in Blackheath hit by the coronavirus. Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS this is news reporting, a primary source. It is local news, and run of...

are a couple of news reports, but the reporting would fall foul of WP:PRIMARYNEWS. The article itself is full of WP:OR, but the question is not whether...

of sourcing involved. News reporting will be a primary source (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS) although analysis will usually be secondary. For notability puproses...

you're not familiar with the use of newspapers in historiography, WP:PRIMARYNEWS has a good explainer. Third is that other articles haven't been deleted...

Octember 2019" (a sentence that is often trivia, often supported by only WP:PRIMARYNEWS, often doesn't pass the Wikipedia:Ten year test, and sometimes is a violation...

own. I'm pretty sure law reports are classed as primary sources per WP:PRIMARYNEWS. The point is though, to establish notability via secondary, independent...

seems to be an entirely synthetic piece of original research based on WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources, and is again POV-pushing the meta-theme of...

not have an article unless it has encyclopedic significance. Simple WP:PRIMARYNEWS reporting does not meet GNG, and people dying does not meet NEVENTS....

newspapers aren't secondary sources? Seriously? - Take a look at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Also per WP:PRIMARY (the policy): For Wikipedia's purposes, breaking...

relevant guideline is at WP:RSBREAKING, further explanation is at WP:PRIMARYNEWS, and I express my own thoughts about this in greater detail at...

days have expired, you might want to take that up at WP:PRIMARY or WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC) It is the place for arguing...

ignored the fact ([90], [91], [92]) that an investigative report is a WP:PRIMARYNEWS source. Other editors also had to explain to VIR and some other editors...

reasons. Every reference in the table is a primary source: a timetable, WP:PRIMARYNEWS (e.g. [35]), or a press release. Secondary sources do not exist for most...

newspapers aren't secondary sources? Seriously? - Take a look at WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Also per WP:PRIMARY (the policy): For Wikipedia's purposes, breaking...