Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental method of decision-making. It involves an effort to address editors' legitimate concerns through a process of compromise...

probably less Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2018 August 23 WP:LOCALCON and WP:TPOC Varicoceles Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2018...

There was a consensus on the talk page to perform these actions, but WP:LOCALCON, so I am submitting to TFD per normal process. Izno (talk) 16:02, 26 March...

international team, so should not be deleted) needs to be dismissed per WP:LOCALCON as it aligns to a guideline that a broad community consensus was found...

"which actually are rules that do exist; see the top of this page", see WP:LOCALCON. Nobody has ever tried to get the community to approve the rules at the...

The portal guideline permits it, which seems to me to be a case of WP:LOCALCON ignoring a broader community consensus. I disagree with your assertion...

The portal guideline permits it, which seems to me to be a case of WP:LOCALCON ignoring a broader community consensus. I disagree with your assertion...

established as consensus at RFC, I will oppose it being applied by WP:LOCALCON). I rate the quality of this portal as mediocre. A sort of...

kind of navboxes we can or cannot have; another specious claim per WP:LOCALCON. Keep the modified template, which provides an appropriate level of navigation...

kind of navboxes we can or cannot have; another specious claim per WP:LOCALCON. Keep the modified template, which provides an appropriate level of navigation...

The portal guideline permits it, which seems to me to be a case of WP:LOCALCON ignoring a broader community consensus. I disagree with your assertion...

limited basis) and I am sure you well know that simply won't happen; a WP:LOCALCON here cannot override the wider policy, so CfD cannot create the exception...

report at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard/Archive 39#Edits against WP:LOCALCON at German acupuncture trials, which resulted in admin User:Guy Macon recommending...

microstubs on each species, apparently based on a couple wikiprojects' LOCALCON that the AFDOUTCOMES essay is a prescriptive guideline, goes directly against...

principle. If you want to pursue a change to that principle, then per WP:LOCALCON this is not the way to do it. Local consensus cannot override a wider community...

repeat nominations are disruptive should push closers to better consider WP:LOCALCON, as that will remove the need for them. BilledMammal (talk) 15:10, 7 August...

you said, an article-wide occurrence. I don't know whether this is a WP:LOCALCON, which if it is, this cannot override WP:MOS. This is definitely a weird...

the article, including the problems with the WP:COATHOOK text. See WP:LOCALCON. Mallexikon did acknowledge at the German acupuncture trials talk page...

(talk · contribs · email) 15:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC) That seems like a WP:LOCALCON problem waiting to happen. WT:MED does not own articles; to suggest as...

borderline fringe theory, and an example of these editors trying to use a WP:LOCALCON to undo their failure to overturn WP:COMPUNITS. Our articles should follow...

and past size are not needed. Finally, per the explicit examples in WP:LOCALCON, WikiProjects have no special influence in the consensus-making process...

case of WP:LOCALCON to me. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:56, 28 May 2017 (UTC) There doesn't need to be an RfC, and it's not an instance of LOCALCON, since there...

multiple venues, repeating the same "but... policies and guidelines? RfC? WP:LOCALCON? seriously?" pleas ad nauseum... If it's not given a free pass in one of...

scholars do find this a significant topic. WP:OWNership and a rejection of WP:LOCALCON: It appears a few uninvolved parties have decided that we, as a bunch of...

less valid than the consensus that the more general rule is based on. "LOCALCON" is about actions of isolated local groups of editors, not about rules...

like serving in an official clerical position for the religion." Per WP:LOCALCON, a local consensus on an article talk page can not override the overwhelming...

here did. (exception is when there is an overriding policy (and thus a WP:LOCALCON) reason to do so, but since this was a discussion about making policy,...

article talk page cannot override the global consensus of the RfC. See WP:LOCALCON. Of course admins do make mistakes, and you do have options if you think...

Notability/article creation conventions should reflect global community consensus, not LOCALCON. JoelleJay (talk) 19:55, 31 October 2022 (UTC) JoelleJay, you had a clear...

in DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_August_30, they applied WP:LOCALCON but also WP:STALE and WP:WALLOFTEXT in ignoring my concerns and the claims...

they shouldn't. I recommend the RFC because it gives you more than the WP:LOCALCON you'll get from footy and it completely resolves the situation.-Serialjoepsycho-...

October 2018 (UTC) Pointing someone to WP:DRV when there is a clear WP:LOCALCON to violate a Wikipedia policy is rather unhelpful, as is closing down an...

Per WP:MULTI they should be decided in a central discussion, and per WP:LOCALCON they should seek broad community consensus through a properly advertised...

Re "the weak prevailing consensus at the talk page discussion", per WP:LOCALCON, consensus among a limited group of editors at Talk:COVID-19 pandemic cannot...

like serving in an official clerical position for the religion." Per WP:LOCALCON, a local consensus on an article talk page can not override the overwhelming...

Get the RfC closed first. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:34, 23 May 2017 (UTC) WP:LOCALCON is something that would seem to apply to a very large number of category...

few editors on the reference desks at the time it was created. See WP:LOCALCON. More importantly, there are editors on the reference desks who quote this...

decides that the way you are tracking things is suboptimal or disruptive (WP:LOCALCON). Having 200 templates that are indeed gathering dust post-editathon is...

this, and other silly things that MOS:MED purportedly mandates via WP:LOCALCON, but this RfC has made its point. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:18...

BilledMammal has replied to the suggestion of moving the discussion here: "Per WP:LOCALCON, Wikiproject NZ cannot form a consensus about these articles. Instead,...

had been offered prior to the larger bot run of 10k articles. Noting WP:LOCALCON: “None of this suggests that the community as a whole had a thorough discussion...

(inquire within) 07:26, 3 April 2026 (UTC) @PantheonRadiance mentioned a WP:LOCALCON existing for WP:VALNET sources at the WP:A&M project. If such a local consensus...

Oppose under WP:CREEP. The premise of this proposal seems to be that the WP:LOCALCON of a single article should be overridden by making general changes to a...

(If you are about to cite the reference desk guidelines, please read WP:LOCALCON and then show me where the Wikipedia community approved them). Feel free...

and edited by those who participate on those pages, a clear case of WP:LOCALCON, but once you slap that "guideline" or "policy" label on it, it can be...

undiscussed, and unnotified Lists B through Z, an RFC is also not a LOCALCON. A LOCALCON requires two things: an insular group + rejecting site-wide standards...

policy WP:NOTSOCIAL. Yet you seem to demanding maximum effort to allow a WP:LOCALCON to override policy. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:31, 26 May...

and past size are not needed. Finally, per the explicit examples in WP:LOCALCON, WikiProjects have no special influence in the consensus-making process...

DRV are not representative of the broader community, and thus unless WP:LOCALCON is enforced often produces results that the broader community would reject...

guidelines, or anything in an infobox at the top of a page, please read WP:LOCALCON and then show me where the Wikipedia community approved them). Here is...

years, and cannot be changed or overridden by attempts to establish a WP:LOCALCON at one CFD. If you don't like the guideline, WP:RFC is thataway. Your claim...

international team, so should not be deleted) needs to be dismissed per WP:LOCALCON as it aligns to a guideline that a broad community consensus was found...

consensus, which defaults to keep, i.e. do not merge. There is a narrow WP:LOCALCON in favour of the renaming amongst the 4 participants here, but I note the...

longstanding WP practice. Carrite (talk) 22:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC) LOCALCON does not override global consensus. JoelleJay (talk) 21:53, 2 February...

neither formulated as an RFC nor notified at WP:CENT, so it was at best a WP:LOCALCON in respect of an issue which was the subject of wide community controversy...

character articles (television, comics, etc), and vice versa. Having WP:LOCALCON decide for "their" pages what's right is just another issue of WP:OWN....

California Certified Organic Farmers (http://www.ibiblio.org/farming-connection/localcon/groups/ccof.htm) Local sales were supplemented by sales to San Francisco...

repeat nominations are disruptive should push closers to better consider WP:LOCALCON, as that will remove the need for them. BilledMammal (talk) 15:10, 7 August...

(If you are about to cite the reference desk guidelines, please read WP:LOCALCON and then show me where the Wikipedia community approved them). Here is...

The comparison between these two situations is weak. The appeal to WP:LOCALCON is a red herring; there is no policy which requires editors seek wide consensus...

microstubs on each species, apparently based on a couple wikiprojects' LOCALCON that the AFDOUTCOMES essay is a prescriptive guideline, goes directly against...

multiple venues, repeating the same "but... policies and guidelines? RfC? WP:LOCALCON? seriously?" pleas ad nauseum... If it's not given a free pass in one of...

per RfC at WP:VPP despite previous lack of consensus at RM. But, per WP:LOCALCON, community consensus trumps local consensus (or lack of local consensus)...

I would like to get some more input here at RSNB to supplement the WP:LOCALCON noted above. I don't think it is a good source, but if I start removing...

votes? If WP:LOCALCON applies to AfD, and if there is broad community consensus for WP:SPORTSCRIT #5, then none of them are. Since WP:LOCALCON applies to...

WP:SOCK/WP:MEAT and WP:CANVASS are the obvious ones, possibly WP:SPA and WP:LOCALCON or WP:OWN depending on the context and type of discussion. What to do with...

exists. –dlthewave ☎ 03:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC) Overturn to delete, per WP:LOCALCON. There is a broad consensus that sports biographies must include at least...

No, that is not meaningful. Several of you would do well to review WP:LOCALCON in general. Izno (talk) 20:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC) Goodness me, thank you...

as yours were given weight, that is an error that needs correcting (WP:LOCALCON). Substantially, meeting NSPORT requires more than just meeting the one...

AfD to decide whether or not something should be kept based on them - WP:LOCALCON. ("Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot...

least some of the time, so these arguments ought to be downweighted per WP:LOCALCON. As with RoySmith above I can't really blame the closer here, the problem...

a central venue. The effect of what you propose is to prioritise a WP:LOCALCON. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC) I've...

if POG was a guideline, rather than just a failed proposal, then per WP:LOCALCON it cannot override a core policy. As noted above, even if NA1K did follow...

article fails WP:SPORTSCRIT #5 and WP:GNG, and can not be kept per WP:LOCALCON. BilledMammal (talk) 23:42, 11 August 2022 (UTC) Speedy close since the...

unable to edit either article because a group of editors creates a WP:LOCALCON which can overrule any change or reject any source. I see Joe's statement...

opposition but were overlooked by the closer. So the arguments based on WP:LOCALCON and WP:NOTAVOTE were discounted as largely inapplicable. There's no global...

August 2022 (UTC) RSP is basically an essay-status page reflecting the WP:LOCALCON of a small number of editors, many of whom are hardened political POV-warriors...

including the problems with the WP:COATHOOK text. Therefore there is WP:LOCALCON to cleanup the article. An editor did acknowledge at the German acupuncture...

its subcats. The closer erred by allowing a WP:LOCALCON to override a naming convention, when the localcon offered no reason to make these categories an...

editors and newly created content. We are trying to find better ways for WP:LOCALCON to not overrule WP:V, and WP:OR policies. These are interesting proposals...

(If you are about to cite the reference desk guidelines, please read WP:LOCALCON and then show me where the Wikipedia community approved them). Feel free...

16:39, 15 July 2017 (UTC) Consensus cannot override NPOV policy. See WP:LOCALCON. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:13, 27 July 2017 (UTC) Sure, there's no reason to...

(If you are about to cite the reference desk guidelines, please read WP:LOCALCON and then show me where the Wikipedia community approved them). Here is...

(UTC) NJOURNALS is not a guideline, full stop. Its usage at AfD reflects LOCALCON, not global consensus. Guidelines can only be established through high...

a central venue. The effect of what you propose is to prioritise a WP:LOCALCON. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC) I've...

edit war." See Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard#Edits against WP:LOCALCON at German acupuncture trials and Wikipedia:Administrators'...

decisive consensuses we've had doesn't mean they get to exert an invalid LOCALCON at every AfD. JoelleJay (talk) 05:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC) Endorse. There...

that already has community-wide support, this RFD is redundant as a WP:LOCALCON cannot override a larger community-wide discussion. —Locke Cole • t • c...

AfD to decide whether or not something should be kept based on them - WP:LOCALCON. ("Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot...

official agents. fishhead64 (talk) 18:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC) (EC) Per WP:LOCALCON, a local consensus on an article talk page can not override the overwhelming...

recent RfC on this so this cannot be any outcome from this discussion as WP:LOCALCON cannot override the community. Gonnym (talk) 10:54, 8 February 2025 (UTC)...

2018 (UTC) I dipped in briefly but gave up swiftly: WP:OWNership and WP:LOCALCON are maxxed-out. Alexbrn (talk) 18:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC) It sounds like...

I don't believe that referring back to MOS:ALGO's declaration of a WP:LOCALCON without engaging with the points raised constitutes "good-faith discussion"...

as yours were given weight, that is an error that needs correcting (WP:LOCALCON). Substantially, meeting NSPORT requires more than just meeting the one...

least some of the time, so these arguments ought to be downweighted per WP:LOCALCON. As with RoySmith above I can't really blame the closer here, the problem...

Thryduulf (talk) 01:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC) Overturn to delete. Per WP:LOCALCON, consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot...

consensus, which defaults to keep, i.e. do not merge. There is a narrow WP:LOCALCON in favour of the renaming amongst the 4 participants here, but I note the...

I am making. I am saying we can't use a tiny localcon to overrule a wider consensus. So a tiny localcon that agrees with the wider consensus/PAGs is fine...

was proposed to apply to those seeking to change the FA... Conversely, LOCALCON doesn't apply as no one at FAC to my knowledge decides that relevant sitewide...

doesn't have the right to completely ban sources from all uses per WP:LOCALCON and WP:PROJPAGE. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC) Whoa there...

there may be an editing consensus at WP:FOOTBALL to prefer YOB, per WP:LOCALCON we need to weigh the project-wide guidance more heavily than WikiProject...

discussion is at Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources#Talk:Donald_Trump_and_using_WP:LOCALCON_to_disallow_citation_archives. Soni (talk) 05:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC) Such...

sometimes ignored by a small number of !voters at AfD. This goes against LOCALCON. WP:N et al are not only predictors of AfD outcomes; they also reflect...

guidelines. LOCALCON is about small groups of editors rejecting or overriding sitewide policies and guidelines for "their" articles. A LOCALCON problem does...

disagree with your evaluation of a source a talk page consensus would be WP:LOCALCON. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 13:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)...

the arguments in this RfC, I don't see an issue with you closing; per WP:LOCALCON, I don't see lower level discussions as having any relevance to assessing...

should probably stop here and acknowledge that I wrote a good deal of LOCALCON, so I naturally feel I'm qualified to say what it means. You apparently...

and has been met with quite hostile resistance from what seems like a LOCALCON walled-garden, including from another now-blocked-and-TBANNED editor. Their...

(inquire within) 07:26, 3 April 2026 (UTC) @PantheonRadiance mentioned a WP:LOCALCON existing for WP:VALNET sources at the WP:A&M project. If such a local consensus...

discussion should be at WT:ITN given that part of the problem appears to be a LOCALCON as to how consensus is determined. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:42, 8...

seems to frame this as a misunderstanding or some kind of policy-violating LOCALCON outcome (it isn't; WP:NCORP, another SNG is explicitly stricter than the...

basis; ignoring them entirely would be perfectly valid. The blatantly LOCALCON, canvassed discussion on the Sydney light rail TP also smacks of WALLEDGARDEN...

versed in how to interpret consensus and are aware of issues such as WP:LOCALCON and are more likely to follow the instructions at WP:RMCI. WP:IAR exists...

community decides to add the interpretation into policy itself (e.g. WP:LOCALCON). I think a more interesting case could be made that that we're actually...

But you should not start from a position of assuming the MOS to be a WP:LOCALCON. It might be wrong, and it might need to be changed, but it's not a local...

seriously: two of the three sentences in LOCALCON say that WikiProjects don't get to decide these things. LOCALCON (which I wrote) exists because a WikiProject...

mentioned BLP". This is really a key difference between WP:CON and WP:LOCALCON. In this particular case the question was about some text in an article...

that they have the correct policy decision and that policy outweighs WP:LOCALCON. Personally I see no issue with usgae of the source as long as there is...

trusted to neutrally and fairly judge such matters. If one is weary of a WP:LOCALCON bias on any specific source and disagrees with the assessment, feel free...

and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale per WP:LOCALCON. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 05:05, 1 July 2026 (UTC)...

towards notability), which anyway have no impact on the actual guideline per LOCALCON. We're talking about a key principle required for establishing GNG-based...

attempt to use it that way are being disruptive as it can result in WP:LOCALCON issues, and encouraging other editors to go down the same path is even...

Leeky finger wag camp - I got it. And Usedtobecool, you are upholding a LOCALCON here about a 200-6 RFA. It is easy to get see a consensus in such a super...

enforced differently between WikiProjects, I encourage you to reread WP:LOCALCON. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:15, 15 October 2025 (UTC) I don't think we need to...

to contain a well-supported consensus rather than a walled garden of WP:LOCALCON. I'd be more amenable to demoting or merging guidelines that are more purely...

individual basis. Any discussion at WT:AUSPOL could only result in WP:LOCALCON and would not be binding on pages about Australian politicans unless it...

They create some type of Boogeyman and throw around unfair accusations of LOCALCON when that just simply doesn't exist, and I think that's an incredibly stupid...

longstanding WP practice. Carrite (talk) 22:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC) LOCALCON does not override global consensus. JoelleJay (talk) 21:53, 2 February...

you said, an article-wide occurrence. I don't know whether this is a WP:LOCALCON, which if it is, this cannot override WP:MOS. This is definitely a weird...

is exactly the problem. We see the same things in so many areas, and LOCALCONs just self-perpetuate due to the editors in a niche WikiProject being the...

are under-notified and have low participation, and hence show only a WP:LOCALCON. (Most of these CFDs which applied a hard numerical threshold had no notification...

may not be correct but seems like the kind of action we want to avoid WP:LOCALCON issues. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC) They don't meet the...

(UTC) NJOURNALS is not a guideline, full stop. Its usage at AfD reflects LOCALCON, not global consensus. Guidelines can only be established through high...

WP:SIGCOV is merely a guideline, not policy, so does that mean that while WP:LOCALCON can't override a policy, it can override a guideline? VR (Please ping on...

biota discussion doesn't look like what I'd call solid precedent. It's a LocalCon filled seemingly mostly with opinion, and not seeing much in the way of...

(talk) 07:21, 29 May 2026 (UTC) "The well attended and endorse RfC" is WP:LOCALCON from another page. It's WP:OTHERCONTENT, not binding on any other pages...

There are two separate reasons for this: first, per WP:CONLEVEL and WP:LOCALCON, any consensus you arrive at on the talk page for an individual article...

an RfC at Talk:Clayton Kershaw#RfC: 2x or 3x champ? which involves WP:LOCALCON policy concerns. Left guide (talk) 02:55, 5 November 2025 (UTC) I cannot...

cannot use Telegram as a source without changing our global consensus. WP:LOCALCON never overrides our standard rules like WP:RS. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite...

message. The issue usually is that some people sitting on a favoured WP:LOCALCON get upset at the extra attention it brings. Bon courage (talk) 07:36, 28...

01:08, 31 January 2023 (UTC) I'm just gonna direct your attention to WP:LOCALCON: Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot...

been misrepresenting it as a guideline for a decade is the definition of LOCALCON and is explicitly disallowed by WP:N. JoelleJay (talk) 23:57, 13 January...

unable to edit either article because a group of editors creates a WP:LOCALCON which can overrule any change or reject any source. I see Joe's statement...

is allowed), but I have the sneaking suspicion we're dealing with a WP:LOCALCON here: until there's a widely attended RfC at a neutral forum (like WP:VPP)...

WikiProject talk pae per se, and what's decided there might be deemed a WP:LOCALCON. So, it's best, again in my opinion, to move (using Template:Moved discussion...

refute that policy. That is why we have to respect consensus, if it is a localcon anyone can renominate. Lightburst (talk) 20:57, 26 April 2023 (UTC) I want...

any destinations (no per Op), raising consensus above a WikiProject's WP:LOCALCON 2 RFCs (But asking a different question doesn't raise concensus?). Even...

(talk · contribs) 02:52, 12 December 2025 (UTC) Another note about the localcon question: It is unreasonable to expect a major change in a central article...

overrules policy? Secretlondon (talk) 08:31, 23 October 2023 (UTC) Per WP:LOCALCON, it generally shouldn't. BilledMammal (talk) 08:37, 23 October 2023 (UTC)...

March 2024 (UTC) You are right about the trouting, I've struck that part. LOCALCON is irrelevant when the topic itself is just a local content dispute and...

sometimes ignored by a small number of !voters at AfD. This goes against LOCALCON. WP:N et al are not only predictors of AfD outcomes; they also reflect...

(talk) 19:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC) That you're acting against policy (WP:LOCALCON) and atleast one guideline (MOS:IPA). WADroughtOfVowelsP 19:38, 9 August...

reasons to nuance the scrutineering here, and this feels like it may be a LOCALCON of the wider checkuser policy. CMD (talk) 15:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC) A...

rather than trying to use AN/I to enforce what the closer said might be LOCALCON. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:20, 24 July 2025 (UTC) Start a talk page...

WP:consensus. It is quite wrong for a small group of editors to try to use a WP:LOCALCON to simply ignore the actual contet of a short, stable guideline which they...

exception from the broader guidelines - to not move this article would be a WP:LOCALCON violation. BilledMammal (talk) 20:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC) Overturn (involved)...

accept. If however, you think the close has arrived at a problematic WP:LOCALCON you need to initiate a close review. Shit or get off the pot. Bon courage...

might be Dicklyon, but the other is groups appearing to try and maintain localcon. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 10:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC) The discussion...

who had to explain Void was wrong (absent any indication that was a WP:LOCALCON). My initial impression is that this is an editor with a point of view...

status Randomstaplers assigns themself is particularly egregious). A WP:LOCALCON cannot deprive other editors their say. Note this whole face mask/COVID/RCT...

been misrepresenting it as a guideline for a decade is the definition of LOCALCON and is explicitly disallowed by WP:N. JoelleJay (talk) 23:57, 13 January...

refute that policy. That is why we have to respect consensus, if it is a localcon anyone can renominate. Lightburst (talk) 20:57, 26 April 2023 (UTC) I want...

WP:SIGCOV is merely a guideline, not policy, so does that mean that while WP:LOCALCON can't override a policy, it can override a guideline? VR (Please ping on...

basis; ignoring them entirely would be perfectly valid. The blatantly LOCALCON, canvassed discussion on the Sydney light rail TP also smacks of WALLEDGARDEN...