should generally follow it, though exceptions may apply. Substantive edits to this page should reflect consensus. Shortcuts WP:CLNTWP:CLNT WP:CLNWP:CLN...

page.‎ The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC) CLN (technology) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch |...

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address a rationale in policy as to why WP:CLN would be superseded while a large consensus to keep citing WP:CLN as met. (non-admin closure) Mkdwtalk 07:21...

Delete per nom. Keep per WP:CLN. John Sloan (talk) 20:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC) Delete per nom. Keep Change vote after reading WP:CLN. Cheers Cosmic Latte.  Esradekan...

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No further edits should be made to this page.‎ The result was keep. Meets CLN. (non-admin closure) J947 18:11, 16 March 2017 (UTC) List of archives in...

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This] catagory. Jeffrd10 (talk) 13:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Keep. Per WP:CLN categories and lists are not duplicative, and this list contains more information...

11:17, 21 April 2017 (UTC) Comment My initial though was to say keep per WP:CLN. Then I looked at the article. It's an obvious draft someone started and...

articles per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN as complement to Category:Housing cooperatives in Canada. The nomination misstates what CLN says, and the difference from...

WP:NOTDIRECTORY. JamesBurns (talk) 09:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN which specifically says lists and categories can coexist. The nominator's...

seems like a perfectly reasonable list, in accordance with WP:LISTS and WP:CLN. Klausness (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC) Strong Keep considering how...

categories and lists are not to be deleted simply because they exist. Per WP:CLN. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC) However, they should be...

Articles) and as a list of borders meets WP:CLN. I will do some work on the article to help it function better as CLN.   // Timothy :: talk  21:57, 28 September...

membership directory. Randykitty (talk) 22:36, 26 January 2017 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN and WP:NOTDUP. If it's important enough to categorize people by Category:Members...

duplicating the same function, because each has its own advantages. See WP:CLN for detailed reasoning.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 15:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)...

Articles) and as a list of borders meets WP:CLN. I will do some work on the article to help it function better as CLN.   // Timothy :: talk  21:56, 28 September...

criteria! And the arguement "a category which does this better" fails WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 16:45, 5 August 2011 (UTC) Keep. There is a List of English...

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articles per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN as complement to Category:Canadian women government ministers. The nomination misstates what CLN says, and the difference...

listed in numerous sources and so the general concept passes WP:LISTN. Per WP:CLN, categories are not as good as lists in many ways and so we maintain numerous...

more comprehensive. Occuli (talk) 17:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC) Keep Per WP:CLN Lists and categories go hand-in-hand. This list has a clear-defined inclusion...

done with them. Please view CLN. Celarnor Talk to me 21:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Comment for those who don't want to read CLN, here are the relevant passages:...

April 2017 (UTC) Keep per WP:NOEFFORT, WP:IMPERFECT, WP:NOTPAPER and WP:CLN. The topic is certainly notable. See German Racing Silver: Drivers, Cars...

article template). Nate • (chatter) 03:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC) Keep WP:CLN explains that lists, categories and other forms of navigation such as templates...

com/servlet/the-Free-People-cln-Womens/Categories. * Links added in this diff: www.sanitystyle.com/servlet/the-Free-People-cln-Womens/Categories (6, 6, 6...

there was a more complete category page but I have since learned from WP:CLN that 'should not be considered in conflict with each other'. I apologise...

with the fishes, please see WP:CLN. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC) Keep Like Lugnuts says, WP:CLN says that we don't delete lists...

Articles) and as a list of borders meets WP:CLN. I will do some work on the article to help it function better as CLN.   // Timothy :: talk  21:55, 28 September...

per WP:CLN. In my opinion, they could all be merged in one list instead of two split. Ajf773 (talk) 17:44, 21 January 2018 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN Agree...

2020 (UTC) Keep: Article meets WP:CLN WP:AOAL for keeping a list. 1989 is a major milestone year in the Cold War. Per CLN "Deleting these rudimentary lists...

category— Preceding unsigned comment added by Professorjohnas (talk • contribs) Keep. WP:CLN. Categories and lists are not mutually exclusive forms of navigation. This...

deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:06, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN - lists and categories go hand-in-hand. Do you have a policy-based rationale...

(talk) 14:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC) Before someone spams WP:NOTDUP and WP:CLN, the supposed benefits of lists enumerated there don't seem to exist or be...

list" function is a valuable one in aiding article creation. See also WP:CLN. The list can also be expanded to have annotations as in List of American...

"that's what navboxes are for" - per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC) "Per WP:CLN is a reason for deletion and replacement...

subject is "much better dealt with through categories" is contrary to WP:CLN, which represents the strong consensus that lists and categories may coexist...

deletion. Please see CLN. Celarnor Talk to me 18:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC) Keep Lists are often better then categories. See WP:CLN. Red links indicate someone...

(UTC) Keep/merge We don't delete lists to favour of categories - see WP:CLN. This is especially important in BLP cases such as this because it is easier...

discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Weak keep - See WP:CLN, we often have lists/categories that overlap. Redlinks are impossible to...

I hadn't previously seen Book:Wikipedia Signpost. In reply to RL0919, WP:CLN makes it pretty clear that categories and lists (including disambiguation...

FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Fails NLIST, CLN and NOTTVGUIDE. A massive unsourced programming guide, very very few wls, no CLN value, no sources showing this meets...

(talk) 18:04, 16 March 2015 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC) WP:CLN does not require that a category and a list...

March 2017 (UTC) Keep We have Category:British computers and so, per WP:CLN, a list is valid too. The topic is quite notable as Britain has been a significant...

Articles) and as a list of borders meets WP:CLN. I will do some work on the article to help it function better as CLN.   // Timothy :: talk  21:02, 28 September...

Talk 11:37, 8 August 2018 (UTC) Keep WP:LISTCRUFT is a worthless essay. WP:CLN is a proper guideline which tells us that 'the "category camp" should not...

deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:38, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Speedy keep per WP:CLN. No valid rationale given for deletion. Prince of Thieves (talk) 22:47, 19...

nominator's other AFD, the reason for deletion basically goes against WP:CLN: "Developers of these redundant systems [categories, lists, and navigation...

improve the encyclopedia. Sjö (talk) 14:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC) Keep Per WP:CLN, we don't delete lists because there is a category too. Categories are currently...

CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 22:32, 29 April 2017 (UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN. How many actually exist is irrelevant; the reason to single these out is...

advantages, there is no redundancy in having both as per the very relevant WP:CLN, I think the basis of the nom is therefore flawed. Nor would I describe the...

category. Alpha Quadrant talk 04:13, 23 September 2011 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN, which states categories and lists go hand-in-hand. This list is clearly...

these for readers to browse and use for navigation and indexing. Per WP:CLN, lists are suitable for this purpose. Any difficulties should be addressed...

is irrelevant when it indexes notable topics in this manner, and per WP:CLN, lists as well as categories can be appropriate for organizing article content...

And the argurement for deletion because of the category existing fails WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:46, 7 October 2013 (UTC) Keep per Lugnuts...

2020 (UTC) Keep: Article meets WP:CLN WP:AOAL for keeping a list. 1989 is a major milestone year in the Cold War. Per CLN "Deleting these rudimentary lists...

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meets WP:SAL. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN, valuable navigational aid for the reader. And we do have a cat at Category:Universities...

appropriate for category. Matt14451 (talk) 17:25, 24 November 2018 (UTC) Keep WP:CLN says clearly that we don't delete lists because categories exist. The existence...

November 2020 (UTC) Keep: Article meets criteria in Advantages of a list and WP:CLN. "Consider that lists may include features not available to categories, and...

index of articles, complementary to Category:Bus stations in Wales per WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2013 (UTC) Well we have the category...

discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 10:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC) Keep Fine per WP:CLN, and I see no redlinked or non-linked entries. --Cybercobra (talk) 10:53...

duplicating the same function, because each has its own advantages. See WP:CLN for detailed reasoning.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 15:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)...

navigation more than it helps it. B (talk) 03:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC) Keep. Per WP:CLN the existence (or possible existence) of a category is no reason to delete...

category. Lists can be sortable, but categories are always alphabetical. See WP:CLN for other reasons, and the relevant guidelines.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 00:49...

improvement. Still [f]ails NLIST, CLN and NOTTVGUIDE. A massive unsourced programming guide, very very few wls, no CLN value, no sources showing this meets...

aforementioned category. sdornan (talk) 16:11, 22 July 2010 (UTC) Keep Per WP:CLN Lists and categories go hand-in-hand. This list has a clear-defined inclusion...

Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 00:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC) Strong keep per WP:CLN. Lists are meant to complement categories. With all due respect, WP:FRINGE...

Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:27, 13 March 2021 (UTC) Keep The guideline WP:CLN explains that we don't delete lists to favour categories. The fact that we...

discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 23:06, 6 October 2009 (UTC) Keep Fine per WP:CLN, just needs some editing love; although I wish MediaWiki could just generate...

categories and lists are not to be deleted simply because they exist. Per WP:CLN. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC) Note: This debate has been...

violates all policy.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 12:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN; categories and lists "should not be considered to be in conflict with each...

deletion discussions. Cnilep (talk) 06:35, 25 November 2013 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lists can carry information that can't be included in category pages. It...

(Talk to me/What I been doing) 03:16, 2 December 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 16:09, 2 December 2016 (UTC) Speedy Keep This was punted...

country per WP:LISTPURP, complementary to Category:Cinemas in Singapore per WP:CLN. LISTN therefore has no contribution to the analysis here. postdlf (talk)...

complementary to the category structure per WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 17:00, 16 July 2013 (UTC) Keep per Postdlf and WP:CLN. Address the content issues on the article's...

is rather messy. Tinton5 (talk) 02:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC) Keep per WP:NOTDUP...

2 December 2019 (UTC) Keep Clearly satisfies WP:LISTN. Also satisfies WP:CLN. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 10:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC) Please tell us more about...

tighten the inclusion criteria. The case for the categories existing fails WP:CLN. This is part of a bigger series of Category:Lists of association football...

renamed to List of Avril Lavigne tours and kept as a list that passes WP:CLN.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 09:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Keep. On what basis are you...

January 2010 (UTC) Keep Per WP:BEFORE#8 - ..."and, for list articles, WP:CLN." Lists go hand-in-hand with categories. Categories cannot contain redlinks...

garbage, most people prefer lists to do so, but we usually have both WP:CLN. The table is a legitimate navigational aid that does things that a category...

discussions. North America1000 18:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN categories and lists go hand-in-hand. This is a table of contacts rather...

satisfies WP:LISTPURP, complementary to Category:Copyright case law per WP:CLN. If there are articles we have that are missing from this list that should...

category can be re-created. CLN is not a mandate, despite your mischaracterization of it as such. No category is mandated by CLN and CLN clearly states that there...

useful than that category . Categories don't make good lists redundant per WP:CLN Siuenti (talk) 20:04, 30 August 2015 (UTC) It's useful is one of the explicitly...

related articles. Categories are not as reader-friendly. The guideline WP:CLN states that they complement each other, and neither can replace the other...

articles any longer. Nate • (chatter) 03:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC) Keep WP:CLN explains that lists, categories and other forms of navigation such as templates...

discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:58, 9 December 2013 (UTC) Keep Per WP:CLN proposer has offered no valid reason why this should be deleted. Why is the...

A clearly defined list of notable individuals. This would tie in with WP:CLN, specifically WP:NOTDUP. The nom's reason is also very poor, citing the essay...

Urban Legends, for example. See also WP:CLN. Andrew D. (talk) 22:04, 29 January 2017 (UTC) Keep per above, esp. WP:CLN and specifically WP:AOAL because this...

rock and roll. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN and Category:Murdered musicians. The list does demonstrate the advantages...

their nom they want an early close if a relevant guideline exists. Since WP:CLN has now been cited, and nobody has recommended delete, speedy close would...

renaming makes sense. /Julle (talk) 13:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN and rename (per DtN). Personally, I think the article is a mess, and could...

(talk) 00:03, 22 August 2020 (UTC) Keep: I think this is a keep based on WP:CLN: "Accordingly, these methods should not be considered in conflict with each...

deletion rationale is contrary to WP:CLN, and otherwise cites only cleanup/maintenance issues. The whole point of CLN is that mere duplication between lists...

duplicate of Category:Management consulting firms. Per WP:LIST, WP:SALAT and WP:CLN, this information is best served as a category rather than a list. Jayron32...

news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Fails NLIST and CLN. Single entry list, entry is does not have an article. No sources showing...

such club is going to verify the basic fact of what it is. Second, as WP:CLN makes clear, the existence of a category is not a reason for deleting a corresponding...

ago, it ended with a keep basically because index pages are allowed per WP:CLN. Well, the Babylon 5 WP:FANCRUFT cleanup drive is nearing the end, and about...

city is not notable for tall buildings. List does not meet the purposes of CLN.   // Timothy :: talk  17:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

therefore that it currently has no references is not a reason for deletion. WP:CLN was mentioned. That guideline provides no argument for deleting this list...

totally legitimate to have both a list and a category for referees - see WP:CLN for an explanation why. --Colapeninsula (talk) 17:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)...

complement the eponymous category Category:Online real estate databases, per WP:CLN. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:02, 28 December 2016 (UTC) Keep, but add more...

deletion discussions. MT TrainTalk 13:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

A clearly defined list of notable individuals. This would tie in with WP:CLN, specifically WP:NOTDUP. The nom's reason is also very poor, citing the essay...

redundancy between Wikipedia's info navigation systems, and its benefits, see WP:CLN. Getting back to the question, Why do we have outlines in addition to......

reason for deletion; Wikipedia is, and should be, full of lists. See WP:CLN. I don't agree that it would be redundant to have both a list of anglo-swedes...

freeware software. Making it into a category is a null-arguement, per WP:CLN. So it's poorly maintained? Then maintain it!. AfD is not cleanup. Lugnuts...

234.196 (talk) 12:49, 29 May 2010 (UTC) Keep Perfectly fine list, per WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 12:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included...

unnecessary, since lists and categories serve different purposes per WP:CLN and WP:LIST. And, per WP:LSC, even the fact that most of the songs on the...

well. postdlf (talk) 15:12, 24 September 2012 (UTC) See WP:NOTDUP and WP:CLN generally; navigational lists (i.e., those that index articles) function...

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A clearly defined list of notable individuals. This would tie in with WP:CLN, specifically WP:NOTDUP. The nom's reason is also very poor, citing the essay...

21:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Yes. There's a guideline on the point: WP:CLN. AndyJones (talk) 13:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC) Keep - encyclopaedic list...

beyond what a category can do. See also WP:CLN generally. postdlf (talk) 13:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC) Keep, per WP:CLN. The "delete" opinions above just give...

Thanks, MBisanz talk 20:00, 9 October 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN as complement to Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in sports. As that...

list does need work, but I think it works well as a navigation list per WP:CLN / WP:AOAL. The page views are significant (7000+), I believe this shows the...

literally the essence of small, well-defined group of articles (from CLN). Passes CLN #1, and #2. Regarding #4, in fact the article content has migrated...

Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC) Keep, per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN (although I would not object to a severe copyedit of the article to reduce...

cross-namespace redirects favoring the category over the list contra WP:CLN), consensus is still to delete. postdlf (talk) 14:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)...

Contribs) 14:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC) Comment holding opinion while I read WP:CLN to see if it applies here. GtstrickyTalk or C 21:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)...

And if such things require such summary, and citations, then it probably this should be presented best as a list rather than a category, per WP:CLN....

category is not a reason for deletion and is specifically addressed in WP:CLN in this phrase: Developers of these redundant systems [Categories, Lists...

WP:CLN, AOAL for navigation list. A lot of the individual entries in this list lack notability and should be reviewed, but the list itself will meet CLN...

for NLIST. I've tried to think of a way this could be reworked to meet WP:CLN/WP:AOAL,but couldn't get past the POV OR everything but the kitchen sink...

to remove content. Diego (talk) 09:46, 25 January 2017 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN and, in terms of the !vote directly above, WP:NOTDUP. A perfectly viable...

A clearly defined list of notable individuals. This would tie in with WP:CLN, specifically WP:NOTDUP. The nom's reason is also very poor, citing the essay...

OR a category, WP:CLN pushes us to choose both and keep the category as is. Alansohn (talk) 02:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC) WP:CLN in no way requires...

numerous guidelines and well-established practices (see, e.g., WP:LISTPURP, WP:CLN, WP:INDEXES), but does not even comment on that contradiction. postdlf (talk)...

(UTC) Delete It doesn't seem to offer any of the advantages discussed at WP:CLN. The category seems enough, in my opinion - Weebiloobil (talk) 18:40, 24...

April 2008 (UTC) 'Delete' I normal like lists as they are useful see WP:CLN, this list however doesn't have inward links in the items listed, so it's...

lists. Lists are easier to navigate than categories. Strong keep per WP:CLN. "Developers of these redundant systems should not compete against each other...

April 2020 (UTC) Keep per Fayenatic london. Satisfies WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 15:30, 5 April 2020 (UTC) Delete. Trivial list. Practically...

maintaining it on regular basis, I would argue keeping it by quoting parts of WP:CLN like "Developers of these redundant systems should not compete against each...

index, as a complement to Category:Hotels in the Philippines. So keep per WP:CLN and WP:LISTPURP. postdlf (talk) 17:09, 25 April 2013 (UTC) Weak Delete per...

group. None of the list elements are notable, so the list does not meet CLN AOAL. The list may be promotional.  // Timothy :: talk  01:21, 14 February...

actually think such a list would be in keeping with how we interpret WP:CLN today. Problem is, I don't see any evidence of the potential for this recreation:...

you? Ottawahitech (talk) Keep per WP:NOTDUP, WP:LISTPURP, WP:DOAL and WP:CLN Ottawahitech (talk) 20:46, 21 December 2012 (UTC) WP:NOTDUP: It is neither...

Gobōnobo + c 21:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC) Keep. Striking my previous response; WP:CLN is fairly convincing as a stylistic argument for retention. I wonder if the...

List of fantasy novels (S-Z) Yoenit (talk) 08:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC) WP:CLN is the relevant guideline here; read the second paragraph. Basically, Category:Fantasy...

2020 (UTC) Keep: Article meets WP:CLN WP:AOAL for keeping a list. 1989 is a major milestone year in the Cold War. Per CLN "Deleting these rudimentary lists...

be made to this page.‎ The result was KEEP This list meets WP:LIST and WP:CLN guidelines as well as WP:GNG. There is room for improvement and unverifiable...

category already exists). Ansh666 03:22, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC) The above discussion...

WP:CLN WP:AOAL for keeping a list. 1962 is a major year in the Cold War (Cuba), probably the closest point in the Cold War to a hot war. Per CLN "Deleting...

is not notable for tall buildings. List does not meet the purposes of WP:CLN.   // Timothy :: talk  18:17, 25 October 2020 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

1 August 2020 (UTC) *Keep: Definitely needs work but legit list per WP:CLN, WP:NOTDUP states: "building a rudimentary list of links is a useful step...

buildings and the buildings are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.   // Timothy :: talk ...

category instead which is absurd because that category has zero citations! WP:CLN makes it very clear that we don't delete lists to favour categories. As for...

deletion discussions. —Cliff smith talk 16:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC) Keep WP:CLN - there's no reason to delete a list just because it would also work as a...

notice. Thanks, Dusti*Let's talk!* 05:14, 5 August 2013 (UTC) Keep Per WP:CLN, lists and categories are complementary, not antagonistic. Warden (talk)...

keep. Deletion rationale is inherently flawed. I Suggest nominator view CLN guidelines, specifically the parts involving redundancy between categories...

Category:British game shows? Launchballer 06:57, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Next. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Note: This...

obviously be annotated and developed further, and so passes WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 18:11, 27 September 2018 (UTC) Keep. Valid list of notable...

StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:35, 19 November 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN/WP:NOTDUP. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 18:06, 19 November 2016 (UTC) Don't...

unfamiliar with Wikipedia lists of any kind? Please read WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN (comparing this list with Category:Deaths from Ebola). There may very well...

satisfying WP:V because they don't support citations. This is all explained at WP:CLN which states that "arguing that a category duplicates a list (or vice versa)...

01:01, 27 March 2010 (UTC) Keep Lists and categories go hand-in-hand, per WP:CLN. Also part of a bigger scheme of Category:Lists of footballers by country...

expanded to show nationality, years active, etc. Goes hand-in-hand with WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 12:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC) Can be expanded, but hasn't been...

Cheng article is nominated for deletion but probably also Cheng cycle and CLN (technology) should be nominated. Beagel (talk) 11:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)...

Azerbaijan >> Individual Border Articles) and as a list of borders meets WP:CLN.   // Timothy :: talk  20:58, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Maybe it does, but...

Note also that there is a corresponding Category:Jewish activists and so WP:CLN applies. Andrew D. (talk) 23:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

are notable too. The argument that a category exists is redundant per WP:CLN. Being incomplete is not a reason for deletion. Lugnuts (talk) 16:51, 3 June...

(talk) 02:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC) Comment there are four articles; so WP:CLN, just because a category exists doesn't mean a navbox can't exist. There...

characters. -- Boing! said Zebedee 11:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC) Keep. WP:CLN, WP:ATD. It's clear that the quality of the list can be improved. — Rankiri...

The reason why there should be both a category and a list is because of WP:CLN.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 21:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC) Note: This debate has been...

category instead. - Ahunt (talk) 11:18, 6 August 2010 (UTC) Please read the WP:CLN guideline for an explanation of why categories and lists are not redundant...

about the benefits of redundancy in Wikipedia's navigation systems, see WP:CLN. Someone please close this discussion. Thank you. The Transhumanist 17:39...

navbox (linking national conference locations) is a clear example of WP:CLN#Disadvantages_of_templates #5, "Take up too much space for information that...

13:54, 27 October 2013 (UTC) Keep Lists and templates go hand-in-hand per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC) Keep As a list...

discussion was: delete. There are cases, per CLN, where a category and list can co-exist, but even CLN does not mandate that they must. In this situation...

manages to surprise some editors who haven't encountered it before!). See WP:CLN for the short version. It makes as much sense as any of the List of lists...

have to be notable enough to have articles. The relevant guideline is WP:CLN, and specifically WP:AOAL point #8.—S Marshall T/C 14:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)...

navigation systems for another - each of them needs to be complete. See WP:CLN. The Transhumanist 20:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC) Strong Keep There is absolutely...

All ref'd, notable topic. Categories go hand in hand with lists, per WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 13:04, 18 June 2010 (UTC) Keep per Lugnuts. Inclusion criteria...

a list can do some things that a category cannot do, and vice versa. WP:CLN ensures that it's not a matter of choosing to keep only one or the other...

not useful for navigation and cannot be considered a building block per WP:CLN.   // Timothy :: talk  03:48, 5 September 2020 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

(UTC) Delete Fails LISTN and GNG, does not serve a navigation purpose, so CLN does not apply.   // Timothy :: talk  22:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC) The above...

complement to Category:Golf clubs and courses in the United Kingdom per WP:CLN. Removing any redlink entry that does not actually merit an article would...

Category:Discographies of New Zealand artists. I'm a big believer in WP:CLN, but if a list ignores both WP:V and WP:IINFO, let it go. Mandsford 15:32...

criteria, pretty much every entry on the list has an article and per WP:CLN, the list goes hand-in-hand with the category for navigation. Lugnuts Fire...

and England. Shellwood (talk) 21:34, 8 April 2023 (UTC) * Keep: Passes CLN and AOAL. Should only contain sourced and notable items.  // Timothy :: talk ...

as complement to category Category:Sirius Satellite Radio channels per WP:CLN. Nomination fails as WP:NOEFFORT (WP:SOFIXIT!), and further lists of this...

1 August 2020 (UTC) Keep as index of articles per WP:LISTPURP and per WP:CLN as complement to Category:Serbian given names, which includes 395 articles...

to dislike lists as a matter of principle but this is not our policy. WP:CLN explains that "these methods should not be considered in conflict with each...

conjunction with other list guidelines should make clear, such as WP:LISTPURP, WP:CLN, and even the intro to WP:NOTDIR). Applying LISTN tends to make more sense...

listed chains have WP articles (so this usefully organizes WP content per WP:CLN), there are good references, has potential for expansion as more articles...

misrepresent CLN, something that has been noted on multiple occasions by multiple editors. I did not cite CLN to say that this category be deleted. I cited CLN in...

read WP:NOTDUP. postdlf (talk) 20:02, 22 February 2019 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN, Has information on each listed band that the category does not have. UnitedStatesian...

reference work. But even if you still want codified doctrine, WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN do codify the validity of WP indexes as navigational tools for readers and...

article index. It is complementary to Category:Schools in Jaipur, per WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 20:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC) Keep. Per Post. We have many...

one. For instance, Newsweek, Financial Times, and so on. Furthermore, WP:CLN tells us that categories and lists complement one another. There are tons...

buildings and the buildings are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, none of the building on the list is notable, so there is nothing there that...

wikipedia. --Caracas1830 (talk) 04:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC) Keep per above and WP:CLN/WP:NOTDUP. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC) Keep. Certainly...

the buildings on the list are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, it does not assist in navigation, and does not serve any purpose under WP:AOAL...

than requiring it to be in the main article about the type. Note that wp:CLN applies: if there is a category it is almost always okay or good to have...

what categories were created for. And don't say WP:CLN. Stifle (talk) 16:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC) WP:CLN. ;) - Mgm|(talk) 17:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC) Delete I...

Ruyaba (talk) 13:15, 6 February 2019 (UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN as complement to Category:Seoul Broadcasting System television programmes;...

notable list of notable people and categories/lists go hand-in-hand, per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:57, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Note: This debate has...

Category:Animation studios (by location), something that should be avoided per WP:CLN. I don't think there's any hope to save it, quite frankly. The content of...

another type of navigational aid like lists, categories and templates. Per WP:CLN, we don't favour any particular way of doing this and should not delete one...

October 2008 (UTC) Delete - while lists should not be discouraged (see WP:CLN), this particular list is trivial. Otto4711 (talk) 23:36, 14 October 2008...

Wikipedia is not a directory and there is no indication this would meet CLN/AOAL.   // Timothy :: talk  19:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC) The above discussion...

reason for deletion. This goes hand in hand with the category too, per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:11, 14 October 2015 (UTC) Keep - as encyclopedic...

Perfectly encyclopedic topic; elements are easily sourcable and verifiable. See CLN. Celarnor Talk to me 00:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC) Also, nominator seems to be...

reason. Lists and categories are meant to complement one another, per WP:CLN. Cosmic Latte (talk) 16:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC) Keep. This list is part...

record label‎ and Category:Artists by record label, which suggests per WP:CLN that a corresponding system of lists is also appropriate. postdlf (talk)...

have their own navboxes. Rehman 05:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN and WP:ATD. The fact that the nominator thinks they have created a better...

07:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Weak delete because it's a misnomer. We have WP:CLN to tell us the difference between categories and lists; this redirect is...

dissenting !votes seem to bring up problems that are already identified on WP:CLN - and those apply to all lists, not just this one. (non-admin closure) Ifnord...

references are not sufficient, then fix it. The category arguement fails - see WP:CLN for more. Lugnuts (talk) 08:28, 21 August 2011 (UTC) There is nothing more...

inclusion criteria (IE - not indiscriminate). Works hand-in-hand with WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC) In using the word "indiscriminate"...

Coolabahapple (talk) 21:32, 13 February 2020 (UTC) Keep per WP:NOTDUP and WP:CLN. The category shows there are enough valid and notable entries to merit a...

reason that this can't we can add a category in addition to being a list WP:CLN. A category wouldn't include any information other than the name of a film...

1 August 2020 (UTC) Keep as index of articles per WP:LISTPURP and per WP:CLN as complement to Category:Ukrainian-language surnames, which includes 421...

Keep A list with clear inclusion criteria on a notable subject and per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:14, 17 June 2015 (UTC) Keep. I've organized...

1 August 2020 (UTC) Keep as index of articles per WP:LISTPURP and per WP:CLN as complement to Category:Georgian-language surnames, which includes 341...

best and informative. Zafar24Talk 11:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN as it's already a category, extra information is present, and it's a reasonable...

WP:FL.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 03:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. This is a list that provides functionality not provided by categories which...

the buildings on the list are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, it does not assist in navigation, and does not serve any purpose under WP:AOAL...

3 January 2012 (UTC) Speedy Keep no reason to delete is provided. See WP:CLN, WP:NOEFFORT, WP:IMPERFECT, &c. Warden (talk) 11:25, 3 January 2012 (UTC)...

index of notable topics, as a complement to Category:Water parks per WP:CLN. The nomination is lacking in substance and shows a lack of familiarity with...

understand you may feel more comfortable browsing via :Cat's but (as per WP:CLN) others prefer other methods. This List is perfectly acceptable. Exit2DOS2000•T•C•...

14 February 2015 (UTC) Keep We have a category for this too and, per WP:CLN, this tends to confirm that there's a valid need for navigational aids here...

This list doesn't appear to possess any of the advantages listed at WP:CLN#Lists - there's no possible annotation or expansion which is possible with...

indicated above, neither CLN nor AOAL are arguments to keep or delete a list where the subject simply isn't notable. Oh, and presenting CLN and AOAL as two arguments...

the rename is a viable option. Presidentman's argument falls foul of WP:CLN which says that if a category is appropriate then a list probably is as well...

and if a category is appropriate for navigation and grouping, then per WP:CLN a list is as well unless there is something about the topic that makes it...

their notablity.--GZWDer (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC) Note: This debate...

continuously worked on. North America1000 18:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC) Keep and request...

as navigational list of articles, complementary to Category:Tests per WP:CLN. It is irrelevant that it will never be complete (especially as it is limited...

the buildings on the list are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.   // Timothy :: talk ...

if not merged, this is an obvious complement to Category:Jesters per WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 22:53, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Not every category automatically...

Andrew🐉(talk) 10:32, 5 December 2020 (UTC) Keep: Article meets WP:CLN WP:AOAL for keeping a list. Per CLN "Deleting these rudimentary lists is a waste of these building...

discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:29, 3 December 2009 (UTC) Keep See WP:CLN for the reasons to have both categories and lists. UnitedStatesian (talk)...

trim all the redlinks. The list goes hand-in-hand with the category, per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC) Keep One accepted reason...

trivia. Reyk YO! 14:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN. Per the article talk page, this article is already the target of at least...

by the many bluelinks, it is justified as a navigation aid, see also WP:CLN. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:06, 17 July 2018 (UTC) Keep List of Gold Coast Football...

we need the categories. -Mondiad (talk) 20:00, 2 July 2017 (UTC) Read WP:CLN. Lists and categories are complementary and both can exist. But this does...

26 September 2010 (UTC) Keep Lists and categories go hand-in-hand per WP:CLN. This list however should be renamed per the anon IP (but not scrubbed clean)...

discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:32, 21 December 2012 (UTC) Keep. Per WP:CLN categories and lists are not exclusive. This list may need to be edited to...

consideration. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC) Oppose WP:CLN says it's permissible to have lists and categories duplicating each other...

to the rules here. — Lentower (talk) 05:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC) Note: This debate...

A clearly defined list of notable individuals. This would tie in with WP:CLN, specifically WP:NOTDUP. The nom's reason is also very poor, citing the essay...

because those are just different formats for the same information. See WP:CLN. It seems like your complaint is not with the list's mere existence but instead...

February 2016 (UTC) Keep as complement to Category:Female racing drivers per WP:CLN. I can only guess why the nominator thinks it's "too broad" (or what "useful"ness...

17:43, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts And the horse 18:01, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN, especially WP:AOAL --Boson (talk) 18:53...

(UTC) Keep Lists are not deleted in favour of categories, see Wikipedia:CLN so that is not a valid reason for deletion, while currently unsourced, the...

guidelines. postdlf (talk) 21:43, 25 March 2016 (UTC) Keep. As noted by WP:CLN, lists of this sort are valuable even when there are corresponding categories...

LISTN even if it didn't pass WP:LISTPURP as an index of articles, and WP:CLN as a list complementary to Category:Deal of the day services. The "spam magnet"...

between lists (of which outlines are a type) and categories is explained at WP:CLN. The Transhumanist 21:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC) keep Outlines appear to...

templates are synergistic—the benefits of their redundancy are covered in WP:CLN. This is a useful and informative list and meets the guidelines for inclusion...

reply here 08:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC) More a question of WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN; is this a useful way of indexing articles on notable fictional characters...

2014 (UTC) Keep Clearly defined lists with inclusion criteria. And per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:35, 5 July 2014 (UTC) Keep, categorization...

junk. TTN (talk) 12:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN as complement to Category:Fictional actors. No need for "cultural impact"...

I would like to withdraw this nomination. As Randy Kryn pointed out, WP:CLN renders my concern moot. In addition, the navbox has been edited and is in...

26 December 2011 (UTC) Keep Lists go hand-in-hand with categories per WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 09:13, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Keep. Just because it doesn't...

helps the average reader. Articles and categories go hand-in-hand per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:54, 25 February 2013 (UTC) Comment Personally...

this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 (Talk) 13:57, 1 July 2015 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Honestly below the state (if not national) level, we should only be maintaining...

other suitable list, if available)/Oppose deletion as it passes both WP:CLN and WP:AOAL. Doug Mehus T·C 21:47, 11 February 2020 (UTC) The above discussion...

an en.wikipedia page, but links to ro.wikipedia. It serves no purpose for CLN.  // Timothy :: talk  10:35, 9 March 2021 (UTC) Note: This discussion has...

tanks already. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 02:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC) See WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC) Keep List with a...

(talk) 01:51, 10 February 2020 (UTC) Delete per nom. Mostly fails our WP:CLN and WP:AOAL criteria for lists, categories, and navigation templates. To...

October 2011 (UTC) Comment That's not a valid reason for deletion per WP:CLN. Lists and categories go hand-in-hand. Have you got a policy behind your...

nationality, as a complement to the category, not redundant to it. See WP:CLN. It's standard with this kind of list (any group of X for which not every...

referenced and improved. Lists are meant to complement categories per WP:CLN. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC) At the moment...

--Adamant1 (talk) 07:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC) Delete: Doesn't meet LISTN or CLN.  // Timothy :: talk  14:52, 7 March 2021 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved...

list-class article and are fine as alternative navigational articles per WP:CLN. As Dialectric noted the subject is notable, and the referencing not bad...

22:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Keep per the first two paragraphs at WP:CLN GtstrickyTalk or C 23:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC) NEUTRAL After consdierable...

OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST argument. Carrite (talk) 01:13, 13 January 2014 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC) Keep per WP:NOTDUP...

March 2010 (UTC) Keep This is a valid list in the context of WP:LIST and WP:CLN. Could it be improved? YES! but ask yourself, if all those other articles...

beneficial.... - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 16:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. The list provides information the category doesn't, so it's not actually...

per Viriditas --haha169 (talk) 04:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC) Keep. Per WP:CLN the existance of a category is not a reason to delete a list. When that list...

be a category. Ricky81682 (talk) 06:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. All the entries on the list are notable. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:53...

more information that the template's bare article links does not. As WP:CLN explains, one format does not preclude others, particularly where the other...

the buildings on the list are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, it does not assist in navigation, and does not serve any purpose under WP:AOAL...

templates are synergistic—the benefits of their redundancy are covered in WP:CLN. This is a useful and informative list and meets the guidelines for inclusion...

the buildings on the list are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.   // Timothy :: talk ...

—cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 13:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC) Comment - there...

notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:07, 26 April 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. AfD is not for cleanup. Redlink does not equal non-notable. Further work...

(talk) 22:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC) Merge with List of central banks: Per WP:CLN simple lists can be building blocks. I like the table format here, but the...

but since we have Category:Housing legislation -- why not a list, per WP:CLN? Some people do prefer to browse by lists, which can enjoy certain advantages...

television channels by country and Category:Brazilian television networks, and WP:CLN. Could be renamed or tweaked, sure. No valid reason to delete. Shawn in Montreal...

15 June 2020 (UTC) Keep If a category is ok then a list is too, per WP:CLN. The nomination's description of music as a niche topic is absurd. There...

especially the lead-in, there is nothing here that violates WP:LIST or WP:CLN --Mike Cline (talk) 16:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved...

mentioned above by PK650, are not considered redundant with categories per WP:CLN and in particular, WP:NOTDUP. There may be other reasons for deletion, but...

and with the research done here we have every opportunity to do so. Per WP:CLN, categories AND lists are intended to co-exist, providing an opportunity...

is a list of notable people and functions as a navigation list meeting WP:CLN WP:AOAL. The view count supports this as a useful navigation list....

points out. Gigs (talk) 19:26, 3 May 2009 (UTC) Keep, per Zzyzx11. Per WP:CLN, categories, lists and navigational templates complement each other. Informational...

usually requires an unmanageable number of links for a navbox); see also WP:CLN. Izno (talk) 23:46, 14 April 2025 (UTC) Keep. Navbox has been expanded with...

templates are synergistic—the benefits of their redundancy are covered in WP:CLN. This is a useful and informative list and meets the guidelines for inclusion...

by 89.0.69.237 (talk) Keep Lists and categories work hand-in-hand, per WP:CLN. This is an obvious aid to navigation and is part of the larger scheme Category:Indexes...

buildings and the buildings are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.   // Timothy :: talk ...

the grouping that this article does. And even if they duplicate, the WP:CLN guideline preaches peaceful coexistence. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:25, 7...

which is complementary to Category:Political parties in Vietnam per WP:CLN. The nom's criticisms are all irrelevant; it doesn't matter that there is...

buildings and the buildings are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.   // Timothy :: talk ...

should be deleted. The arguement of "make it a category" is redundant, per WP:CLN. A perfectly valid top-level page that links to the other articles. Lugnuts...

Colony Capital (history · last edit · rewrite) from ir.clns.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=254485&p=irol-newsArticle_print&ID=2355868. Daylen (talk) 04:46, 9 July...

single building on the list has an article, this serves no purpose under CLN. No objection to a consensus redirect.  // Timothy :: talk  09:41, 4 January...

LibStar (talk) 05:09, 3 November 2023 (UTC) Delete: fails GNG and NORG, fails CLN (as far as it contains a list), lacks sources from WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV...

03:33, 1 August 2020 (UTC) Keep Clearly defined list of notable people. WP:CLN states that categories and lists go hand in hand. You've answered your question...

buildings and the buildings are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.   // Timothy :: talk ...

criteria for a notable topic. Lists go hand-in-hand with categories, per WP:CLN. AfD is not for cleanup. Lugnuts (talk) 18:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC) The above...

scheme of beaches by country. This is a perfectly valid list that meets WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 07:26, 12 April 2012 (UTC) There is a "bigger scheme of beaches...

always a valid list. Dream Focus 06:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC) Keep: Meets CLN as a navigation list.  // Timothy :: talk  13:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC) Comment:...

year founded, etc, etc. 08:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC) Keep According to WP:CLN lists and categories should coexist, especially if they can fulfill functions...

article topic. Antepenultimate (talk) 02:28, 29 January 2017 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. We have a truly enormous category system for cities within fooian jurisdiction...

the buildings on the list are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, it does not assist in navigation, and does not serve any purpose under WP:AOAL...

BISWAS (talk) 23:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC) Keep: Serves a purpose per WP:CLN, WP:AOAL   // Timothy :: talk  02:49, 3 October 2020 (UTC) The above discussion...

(UTC) Keep, valid list indexing articles that satisfies WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN, and arguably WP:LISTN as sources do discuss ice storms as a group and compare...

History person 2 (talk) 22:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC) Delete: Fails LISTN and CLN/AOAL.  // Timothy :: talk  07:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC) Delete. Hardly any...

category. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Strong keep per WP:CLN. Lists and cateogries do not compete with each other, they co-exist and complement...

hand-in-hand per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:34, 24 February 2014 (UTC) Keep. I agree with the nomination, but WP:CLN (and WP:NOTDUP in particular)...

WP:LISTPURP, with no reason not to also have a complementary category per WP:CLN. This nomination seems to simply stem from a lack of experience with or awareness...

(talk) 01:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC) We have clear guidelines on lists WP:CLN. Lists and directories are two entirely different things. - Mgm|(talk) 10:04...

contribs) 02:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC) Keep. My rationale for keeping it is WP:CLN and WP:SUMMARY. Its an underdeveloped part of Wikipedia, but it is an area...

fundamentally is a list of notable episodes, ordered by their writers. Passes WP:CLN with flying colors, in other words. Jclemens (talk) 07:05, 9 March 2013 (UTC)...

index of people by occupation and as a complement to the category per WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 16:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC) Keep I agree with postdlf argument...

07:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC) Delete: Fails NLIST, fails NOTTVGUIDE, fails CLN. Listcruft.  // Timothy :: talk  12:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC) Note: This discussion...

not needed per WP:CLN. To address Duffy's point, I think you would have to look at each of those situations through the lens of CLN and not make the assumption...

1 August 2020 (UTC) Keep as index of articles per WP:LISTPURP and per WP:CLN as complement to Category:Russian-language surnames, which includes over...

worthless list. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 07:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC) Weak keep. WP:CLN. The list can be improved. — Rankiri (talk) 13:04, 1 April 2010 (UTC) Note:...

complete list complementary to the Category:Snowboarders structure per WP:CLN, one that can provide further information beyond an alphabetic list of names...

buildings and the buildings are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, List is composed of 3 buildings, 2 steeples, and 1 structure, only two of...

Thessaloniki, Greece-- sourcing would be appreciated, of course. Per WP:CLN, however, we don't have to choose whether this should be a category or a...

reasonably meets WP:CLN as a list that's useful and completable. Jclemens (talk) 19:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC) Keep as the list meets WP:CLN. It wouldn't be difficult...

May 2024 (UTC) Redirect per above. Redirects are cheap. Fails NLIST and CLN as a stand alone list. List entirely sourced to a single page on the subject...

March 2009 (UTC) Keep per User:LinguistAtLarge who adequately worded the WP:CLN criteria that apply here. - Mgm|(talk) 12:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Keep per...

supporting guideline (for my !vote, TenPoundHammer's, and ZabMilenko's) is WP:CLN — which, if the nominator had read WP:BEFORE more thoroughly, he would have...

is not notable for tall buildings. List does not meet the purposes of WP:CLN.   // Timothy :: talk  00:07, 21 November 2020 (UTC) Delete per nom and WP:MILL;...

Government agencies in Nepal. Content should be retained somewhere per WP:CLN and WP:SUMMARY.   // Timothy :: talk  06:02, 14 August 2020 (UTC) Merge with...

categories and/or navigation templates according to the guidelines at WP:CLN. An airport list topic is notable if the topic can be expected to include...

notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2022 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Yes, it lacks sources, but that's not a reason for deletion in itself. Lugnuts...

wider scale". If you would like to change WP:CLN, feel free to get consensus to do so. Until then, WP:CLN's clearly stated admonition "Accordingly, these...

expanded significantly it could be split back into a separate article WP:CLN, but I doubt that will happen.   // Timothy :: talk  14:49, 2 August 2020...

buildings and the buildings are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, none of the entries are notable, so there is nothing there that can assist...

March 2009 (UTC) Delete Lists that try to emulate categories are a basic WP:CLN nono. The category itself would be overcategorization. Since the list is...

WP:LISTPURP and a complement to Category:Visitor attractions in Somerset per WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 23:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC) WP:SNOW, 5 Keep votes and no votes...

2018 (UTC) Keep This generated from the category and should be kept per WP:CLN. The worst case is that we'd merge into Dirty Harry (film series)#Characters...

them. Redundancy to a category is also not a reason for deletion; see WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 17:31, 2 February 2012 (UTC) On a side note, this list should...

content in another article and serves no purpose as a building block per WP:CLN. Title is misspelled so no reason for a redirect.   // Timothy :: talk  23:13...

why wouldn't this be a good example of the sort of thing discussed in WP:CLN, with a list, category and navbox Template:Al Jazeera performing complementary...

Keep Outlines are a valid form of structure for browsing and navigation. WP:CLN therefore applies. The worst case would be merger to the main article per...

Category:People with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and so WP:CLN applies. Andrew D. (talk) 08:27, 8 March 2016 (UTC) Keep. I think that Howie...

indiscriminate is false; it clearly selects for environmental. Also, look at WP:CLN. Keep I meant to put this in my userspace; sorry. I've copied it over. On...

active years, etc.--Michig (talk) 16:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Clear inclusion criteria for a notable topic. And per Michig, no reason...

not indiscriminate and all list entries are notable and have articles. WP:CLN applies. Ajf773 (talk) 00:42, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Keep - Sources should be...

easily become featured lists, and aid navigation with the categories, per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 08:11, 10 January 2017 (UTC) The above discussion...

List counterpart of the Wikipedias by language category, should be kept per CLN. Celarnor Talk to me 06:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC) I don't want to question...

views) And yet it would seem to complement Category:Regions of Mexico per WP:CLN. Moreover, Category:Regions by continent and country shows this to be a very...

2011 (UTC) Keep Extremely useful template passes WP:CLN, WP:NAV, and my rule of five at WP:NENAN. WP:CLN does not say anything about expansion. However it...

September 2017 (UTC) Keep, nom is contra WP:NOTDUP and list satisfies WP:CLN and WP:LISTPURP as navigational list of articles, which additionally provides...

addition of info/structure that you simply cannot do with a category. Read WP:CLN. The fact that it is currently a duplicate awaiting improvement is not a...

WP:NLIST is an issue. /Julle (talk) 23:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC) Comment Per WP:CLN a topic can (and often should) exist in multiple forms. Having said that...

imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:23, 11 January 2021 (UTC) Keep: Article meets WP:CLN WP:AOAL for keeping a list   // Timothy :: talk  02:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)...

career for us to index notable wrestlers by that fact (per WP:LISTPURP, WP:CLN), which I don't know the answer to. The nom nor the one delete !vote above...

2012 (UTC) Snow keep This list obviously fits Wikipedia policies (WP:L, WP:CLN, etc). Deleting an article because it's not fully comprehensive or immediately...

to a template is a good idea, deleting the list is probably not; see WP:CLN.הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 20:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC) Keep...

talk📧) 13:29, 22 August 2020 (UTC) Obvious keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN. @Boleyn: You really need to stop creating these meritless list AFDs without...

their football team. Mandsford (talk) 13:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC) Keep, per WP:CLN, this acts as a complement to the category and can be improved with references...

were permitted, categories and lists don't duplicate each other, per WP:CLN, because they organize and present the information in different ways. Bearcat...

Apparent listcruft. Orientls (talk) 12:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC) Delete Fails CLN and NLIST.  // Timothy :: talk  14:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC) The above discussion...

centres in Townsville we should remake this into a corresponding list per WP:CLN, but there doesn't seem to be much point for such a small list at this level...

(and have had for a long time) Category:Social psychologists, then under WP:CLN, a list of Wikipedia articles about social psychologists is perfectly acceptable...

entry and the argument for having the category and not the list fails WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Keep per WP:NOTDUP...

a cleaned-up verison of this list would clearly be worth keeping per WP:CLN, and since deletion is not a substitute for cleanup, I suppose that makes...

meeting NLIST and it serves a navigation purpose for readers meeting WP:CLN. A merge would not improve either the content here or the target. I think...

are not notably tall (no offense Victoria ;). The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.   // Timothy :: talk ...

crawling out its ears. Mandsford (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC) Keep. See WP:CLN for the logic. The thing about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of supermarket...

Strong Keep I agree that the arguments at WP:CLN strongly favor keeping this category. According to WP:CLN, Wikipedia offers various ways to group articles...

complement to category per WP:NOTDUP and as navigational list of articles per WP:CLN. It should be obvious that "unsourced" is not a deletion argument; what matters...

of Category:Housing cooperatives in Canada for no useful reason. While WP:CLN specifies that lists and categories can coexist for the same group of topics...

invalid. — Toughpigs (talk) 04:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC) Keep: List meets WP:CLN. "The grouping of articles by one method neither requires nor forbids the...

Category:British people of South Asian descent to me, which would be allowed per WP:CLN. I don't think the full stricture of BLP policy applies because the most...

for good. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. This list contains notable entries on a notable topic. The list could be...

November 2013 (UTC) Keep The nomination just seems to be WP:IDONTLIKEIT and WP:CLN tells us not to delete lists to favour categories. Warden (talk) 10:40, 28...

OSbornarfcontributionatoration 00:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 07:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC) Keep No more list vs. category...

You probable see the page as a valid navigational aid (in the sense of WP:CLN rather than WP:DAB). – Uanfala (talk) 15:12, 17 December 2022 (UTC) Delete...

appropriate category. Pyrope 13:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC) Keep pursuant to WP:CLN. While this list has issues (e.g. spam, redlinks) they can be fixed by editing...

keep If it's appropriate for a category, it's appropriate for a list, WP:CLN. I can see other objections to the way that this is arranged, but not everyone...

category" variety, which is always wrong per our guideline on the subject at WP:CLN. AndyJones (talk) 20:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC) Comment - I've just read the...

Clearly defined inclusion criteria for the list. Nominator should read WP:CLN to see that a category doesn't replace a list, and vice-versa. Lugnuts (talk)...

with Wiki articles.--Lenticel (talk) 01:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN (to address the comments on the existence of categories: see Woz, Otterathome...

CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 13:26, 11 November 2018 (UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN. No valid argument for deletion has been presented and the nominator fails...

it to Category:Sibling duos for now but the reason why this may fail WP:CLN, and not belong in that category, is that this doesn't seem to be a list...

this could be the SUMMARY article for the subject and the list would meet CLN.  // Timothy :: talk  20:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC) The above discussion is...

Catgories and lists are not exclusive and do not compete with each other. See WP:CLN. It is considered disruptive behaviour to nominate either in this way. This...

a perfectly reasonable complement to Category:Squares in Minsk, per WP:CLN. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:21, 28 April 2017 (UTC) Note: This debate has...

WP:LISTPURP-passing index complementary to Category:Mountain bikers per WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 23:41, 3 March 2016 (UTC) It has been tagged for the same...

created over 10 years ago by a bot from the equivalent category. Per WP:CLN, lists are valid alternatives to categories and should not be deleted as...

November 2012 (UTC) Category pages can and should coexist with list pages (WP:CLN). — Richardguk (talk) 11:54, 19 November 2012 (UTC) Relisted to generate...

Category it's redundant. BioDetective2508 (talk) 18:14, 29 June 2009 Per WP:CLN "Accordingly, these methods should not be considered in conflict with each...

it meets WP:CLN as a navigation list. I agree this article (and the articles in this category) need cleanup and sources. Aside from CLN, I think this...

climate change. — Cirt (talk) 16:31, 18 September 2015 (UTC) Keep, per WP:CLN, far superior to category:Symptoms. Everything is fixable, unless people...

of categories does not prevent the existence of lists or similar, per WP:CLN. Someoneanother 19:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved...

--bonadea contributions talk 11:51, 15 November 2017 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Whatever its flaws, it should not have been blanked by that "semi-retired"...

group and the list does not serve a navigation purpose so it does not meet CLN. Wikipedia is not a bus or local travel guide. OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a...

buildings and the buildings are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.   // Timothy :: talk ...

simply due to redundancy. Relevant guidelins can be found by reiewing WP:CLN, specifically the parts regarding synergism between lists and categories...

☶☲Senny☶☲ (☎) 20:59, 16 December 2019 (UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP and per WP:CLN, there are definitely enough articles on this topic to merit a standalone...

- have every heading in the style of Argentina or Australia. Also see WP:CLN. Just because a category exists, doesn't mean a list should not, or vice-versa...

trivia Spiderone 21:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP, WP:CLN, and WP:ATD. Contra the nominator's claim, we have at least 19 notable entries...

argument? Plus do you acknowledge that there is strong consensus Here that WP:CLN allows list/category duplication and as such, the redundancy of a list/category...

Comment: Also, lists and categories are meant to complement each other, per WP:CLN. "List-category redundancy" has never been a valid deletion criterion. Cosmic...

deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 13:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN; we don't delete lists just because categories cover the same subject. Particularly...

"Should be converted into a category" is not a valid challenge, because WP:CLN says that lists and categories can and should co-exist. "Reads like an advert"...

know, in that it groups makers of wine, beer and spirit together, but WP:CLN -- which the nominator has hopefully acquainted himself with by now -- still...

because it is assumed that a list will be made up of notable people. Per WP:CLN, there is no problem with having both a list and a category, and this list...

would), you can click on the category link. --NE2 15:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC) WP:CLN. Clearly, having a navbox for a category is fine. No opinion on template...

Leave me a note or two 17:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC) Comment: Even though WP:CLN explicitly states that lists and categories are meant to be complementary...

(talk) 06:04, 20 July 2009 (UTC) The list does more than the category, see WP:CLN. Tavix |  Talk  02:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC) This does not address why this...

they serve different purposes, as explained at much greater length at WP:CLN. Scog (talk) 17:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC) Keep - serves a complimentary...

b (talk) 02:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC) Delete: Fails on NLIST, fails on CLN per above.  // Timothy :: talk  05:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC) Redirect to...

list--and vice-versa. DGG ( talk ) 18:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC) Keep. The WP:CLN guideline specifically allows a category, list and template on the same topic...

discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC) Keep per wp:cln and wp:list. Steven Walling expresses my thoughts exactly. walk victor falk...

the buildings on the list are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation, just a list of redlinks...

deletion discussions. See, memorize, tattoo on forearm, rinse and repeat WP:CLN, whose summary reads "This page in a nutshell: Categories, lists, and navigation...

they be deleted aswell? Keep, categories should not replace lists, per WP:CLN. It seems to be a defining characteristic of Islamic scholarship. People...

article about well-known and lesser-notable individual subjects satisfies wp:cln and wp:listn. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 16:18, 13 December 2019 (UTC) Delete...

deleted based on the fact that it is redundant to those categories No, per WP:CLN. Also, categories can't house redlinks. Keep Clear inclusion criteria which...

discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:30, 12 January 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN as complement to Category:Jazz standards and per WP:LISTPURP as index of...

index of articles per WP:LISTPURP and as a complement to the category per WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 15:28, 23 March 2018 (UTC) Keep and remove the non-blue link...

17:41, 26 January 2013 (UTC) Keep per Lugnuts' excellent point, plus that WP:CLN says categories and lists can overlap, if that is going to be a follow-up...

disincentive. Celarnor Talk to me 09:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC) Right - I'm aware of CLN, but what functionality could a list of vegetarians provide which a category...

based reason for deletion. DGG ( talk ) 05:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC) Keep Per WP:CLN - lists and categories go hand-in-hand to aid navigation. Lugnuts (talk)...

issues that would necessitate deletion. I don't know when the idea that WP:CLN advocates that every category should have a list and every list should have...

and Ohio. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC) Keep meets CLN / AOAL for Category:Mayoral elections in Cincinnati. Needs a full list including...

lists and categories as complementary indexes and navigational aids. See WP:CLN and WP:LISTPURP, and for examples of this widespread practice, see any of...

notable for tall buildings and the List does not meet the purposes of WP:CLN, only a single list entry has an article about a structure that may not meet...

about both the series and the networks that satisfies WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN (as a complement to Category:Colors (TV channel) series), not to mention...

created for. North America1000 06:42, 12 February 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC) Keep. As others...

The existence of the category indicates the validity of the list per WP:CLN. Andrew D. (talk) 16:25, 30 March 2017 (UTC) Keep per Andrew D. Pruning to...

categories are for. Si Trew (talk) 10:26, 15 November 2016 (UTC) No, per WP:CLN, "arguing that a category duplicates a list (or vice versa) at a deletion...

templates are synergistic—the benefits of their redundancy are covered in WP:CLN. This is a useful and informative list and meets the guidelines for inclusion...

Neutral although may be useful if collapsed. And doesn't anyone read WP:CLN anymore? "Categories, lists, and navigation templates are three different...

good information. Although it arguably duplicates the category system, WP:CLN allows lists and categories to co-exist, though it doesn't say anything about...

websites, more than enough to justify a list. So keep per WP:LISTPURP, WP:CLN, and (ironically) NOTDIR as a standard index of articles. postdlf (talk)...

August 2014 (UTC) Keep as complement to Category:Female supervillains per WP:CLN, and as navigational list per WP:LISTPURP. As Dream Focus explains above...

rather than just being bundles of cruft and so has value as an index per WP:CLN. Andrew (talk) 07:50, 24 July 2014 (UTC) I know this is ridiculous, but the...

is correct about what "sports kit" means, keep per his comments, per WP:CLN as a complement to Category:Sporting goods manufacturers, and rename to match...

discussing this as a group, there is no potential for this quality under CLN/AOAL.   // Timothy :: talk  19:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC) Delete - given the...

articles and as a supplement to the notable topic of Lustron houses) and WP:CLN (as complementary to Category:Lustron houses). The nom is mistaken in thinking...

com/kaaterskill/index.htm. CharlieDelta (talk) 07:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC) CLN (technology) (history · last edit) with no source given. Copy paste. DpmukBOT...

50 books). I can imagine useful lists of cookbooks (in accordance with WP:CLN), but this isn't one, and I don't see how it can be turned into one aside...

reason. Lists and categories are meant to complement one another, per WP:CLN. Cosmic Latte (talk) 16:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC) Keep. This list is part...

is not notable for tall buildings. List does not meet the purposes of WP:CLN, none of the buildings are notable.   // Timothy :: talk  04:13, 2 December...

January 2024 (UTC) Delete: Fails NLIST, doesn't serve a purpose under WP:CLN. No objection to a consensus redirect, but do not think it helpful.  // Timothy :: talk ...

charitable foundations that work globally or internationally? Finally, WP:CLN does outline how categories, lists, and navigation templates can all co-exist...

a point where a list presents more maintenance load than it is worth. WP:CLN notes, Some topics are so broad that a list would be unmanageably long and...

only category status, but did not comment on my observation that many WP:CLN considerations (such as needing dates and ages, as a bare start) favor retaining...

buildings and the buildings are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.— Preceding unsigned...

redirection#Services. But I disagree strongly with the comment about avoiding lists. Per WP:CLN, lists are a valid navigational aid and are complementary to other navigational...

otherwise present. Bazonka (talk) 07:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC) Comment WP:CLN a list does not preclude a navbox. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:29, 30 August...

articles make for perfectly valid list-based articles, per WP:LIST and WP:CLN. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 17:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC) Relisted to generate...

of notable topics and as a reasonable WP:SPLIT from Sialkot, and per WP:CLN as complementary to Category:People from Sialkot. Lists of notable people...

03:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC) Keep or merge to Karaikudi#Transport. Per WP:CLN lists and categories are complementary, and this list has much more information...

Those who sugest swapping it for Commons categories are welcome to read WP:CLN. — kashmīrī TALK 00:12, 1 August 2022 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved...

point of a list article. Dream Focus 14:41, 5 August 2020 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN, WP:NOTDUP. Lists are useful discovery, navigation and reading tools and...

Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN as complement to Category:Fictional nurses. No need for "cultural impact"...

there is no doubt that there should be such a list for navigation as per WP:CLN and Wikipedia:List#Navigation, as there are more than enough blue-linked...

WP:NOEFFORT. Note also that lists and categories are complementary, see WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 17:59, 4 July 2020 (UTC) Note that the corresponding category...

maintain. The arguement that the data can be found in a category fails WP:CLN. This is a notable list of notable individuals. Lugnuts (talk) 19:41, 6 November...

Category:Indian tennis players, it could obviously be expanded, and per WP:CLN it's justified as an alternate mode of article navigation and organization...

total OR. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 16:08, 20 February 2011 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. This is a list of the articles in Category: Regions of Illinois, with a...

(talk) 16:04, 11 April 2012 (UTC) Ah, I hadn't noticed that. Anyway, WP:CLN does say that categories and lists should live in harmony :) Jenks24 (talk)...

article. Gandalf61 (talk) 14:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC) Keep and expand per WP:CLN; parenthetically I am disappointed editors are quoting from WP:LC as if it...

Certainly one weapon by itself isn't notable. But as a whole we are guided by WP:CLN on the subject. # ...since the notability threshold for a mention is less...

(UTC) Strong Keep for a ridiculous nomination. Nominator needs to read WP:CLN to familiarize him/herself with the synergistic nature of categories and...

is a contents page, which goes hand-in-hand with various categories (WP:CLN). It serves as navigation for the reader to related articles. Individual...

appropriate. Reywas92Talk 22:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC) Keep: per above, passes CLN, AOAL. Shocked this wasn't an unneeded FORK.  // Timothy :: talk  12:24,...

continuously worked on. North America1000 18:10, 4 February 2016 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC) Keep and request...

(UTC) Keep per WP:LISTPURP as a standard index of notable people and per WP:CLN as a complement to Category:People from the Eastern Cape. People by political...

Four Centuries. The suggestion that a category be used instead violates WP:CLN which makes it clear that we don't delete such pages in order to do the same...

2016. Regards, SONIC678 16:04, 28 August 2022 (UTC) Restore list per WP:CLN, categories and lists should not be confused with one another. -- Tavix (talk)...

usefulness in organizing and presenting encyclopedic information. And per WP:CLN, whether this is duplicative of a category is irrelevant; moreover, there...

Ancient ships. And we have an equivalent category ancient ships and so, per WP:CLN, a list is ok too. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:11, 27 April 2020 (UTC) Keep but rename...

list of notable entries. The arguement for "keep the category only" fail WP:CLN. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:33, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Keep as valid index...

navigational/organizational lists. Nor, as suggested by postdlf, do WP:LISTPURP or WP:CLN provide an alternative guideline or override WP:LISTN in any way. (Interesting...

redundant as they are both providing the same information. Also, I've read WP:CLN and I know that lists can provide more than what categories do, I'm not disputing...

enlightening). The key point here is around WP:CLN—i.e. to group the articles such that end-users can find them. And per WP:CLN a category is not sufficient, and is...

discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 17:54, 4 July 2017 (UTC) Keep Nomination fails WP:CLN, where categories and lists go hand-in-hand to aid navigation for the reader...

(talk) 05:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC) Keep per WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 09:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC) Keep per CLN. If it's encyclopedic as a category, it's encyclopedic...

deletion. That reason doesn't apply to Wikpedia's navigation systems (see WP:CLN, of which this page is a part. The navigation system has the same scope as...

October 2008 (UTC) Keep seems useful in navigating the Wikipedia world. WP:CLN explains why it should be kept. GtstrickyTalk or C 15:37, 7 October 2008...

NLIST, NOTDIRECTORY as a list, and doesn't serve a nav purpose under WP:CLN.  // Timothy :: talk  02:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC) The above discussion is...

sources. Neither of the two items is notable, article serves no purpose per CLN.  // Timothy :: talk  14:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC) The content should be moved...

4 October 2012 (UTC) Dream Focus is correct - the relevant policy is WP:CLN which states that lists should not be deleted to prefer categories. Lists...

a keep as a WP:CLN list of notable events that happened at the location, but it is just a massive list of non-notable events, so CLN doesn't apply. There...

the above comments and cited policies and guidelines, as well as per WP:CLN. Re: the nominator's WP:NOTDIR argument, a list of notable Irish Americans...

should not be on the list, therefore the usual arguments and pointers to WP:CLN don't apply. Stifle (talk) 09:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Keep Neither reason...

verifiable content to Satellite tornado per others: LISTCRUFT, fails NLIST and CLN AOAL.  // Timothy :: talk  22:40, 8 April 2023 (UTC) Merge all verifiable...

2009-05-29t19:46z Delete. Although lists and categories work together (Wikipedia:CLN), as pointed out by a previous contributer, this list is best replaced by...

football players to exist before this was created, but this is a clear case. WP:CLN supports creation of lists that offer useful additional information a category...

criteria of a notable topic. Lists and categories go hand-in-hand, per WP:CLN. Part of the bigger scheme Category:Lists of actors by nationality. Lugnuts...

events that will happen have articles. As for the category reason given, WP:CLN. --Izno (talk) 21:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC) You haven't explained how anyone...

Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC) Keep Article meets CLN/AOAL for a navigational list. Needs work (I did a little), but it could be...

current state of the list and without regard to WP:BEFORE. Finally, as WP:CLN notes, lists and categories can be complementary means of navigating articles...

TompaDompa (talk) 19:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC) Keep: Needs cleanup, but passes CLN/AOAL  // Timothy :: talk  00:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC) Relisted to generate...

DGG ( talk ) 05:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC) Possibly. I had thought that WP:CLN would be sufficient.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 17:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC) Keep...