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I think I fixed the problems! I'm sorry that before I accidentally cut part off. I added a reference and link to The Harold Weisberg Archive at Hood College, so I think that should be official! Gale Peterson (talk) 01:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-12T01:21:00.000Z","author":"Gale Peterson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gale_Peterson-2022-04-12T01:21:00.000Z-Lee_Harvey_Oswald","replies":["c-Warshy-2022-04-12T18:41:00.000Z-Gale_Peterson-2022-04-12T01:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
Wonder if you'd care to weigh in here, which in my opinion is a question of whether to value academic sources over religious orthodoxy. GordonGlottal (talk) 04:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-07-07T04:10:00.000Z","author":"GordonGlottal","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GordonGlottal-2022-07-07T04:10:00.000Z-bar\/ben_yochai","replies":[]}}-->
Hi, I opened a DRN for Book of Daniel here
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In 1st century CE, Hellenistic engineer, [Hero of Alexandria] describes a matter as made up of particles with spaces between them.Even if his account denies the fundamental tenet of classical atomism, it does not change the fact of intrinsic properties like shapes.I have corrected it,can i now upload it Cuando de hyiopi (talk) 20:11, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230409201100","author":"Cuando de hyiopi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cuando_de_hyiopi-20230409201100-Hero_of_Alexander","replies":["c-Warshy-20230409211200-Cuando_de_hyiopi-20230409201100"]}}-->
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I wanted to make the argument that Strauss and Aesopian language does have some link.
To quote from the Strauss article
"In the late 1930s, Strauss called for the first time for a reconsideration of the "distinction between exoteric (or public) and esoteric (or secret) teaching". In 1952 he published Persecution and the Art of Writing, arguing that serious writers write esoterically, that is, with multiple or layered meanings, often disguised within irony or paradox, obscure references, even deliberate self-contradiction. Esoteric writing serves several purposes: protecting the philosopher from the retribution of the regime, and protecting the regime from the corrosion of philosophy; it attracts the right kind of reader and repels the wrong kind; and ferreting out the interior message is in itself an exercise of philosophic reasoning."
I'd like to highlight the section that says "Esoteric writing serves several purposes: protecting the philosopher from the retribution of the regime."
Also in the Strauss article: "Some critics of Strauss have accused him of being elitist, illiberal and anti-democratic. Journalists such as Seymour Hersh have opined that Strauss endorsed noble lies, "myths used by political leaders seeking to maintain a cohesive society"." Although noble lies can be seen as somewhat opposite of Aesopian language (as Aesopian language refers to an underground movement using language to deceive a regime and noble lies refer to a regime deceiving its people)
To me, these quotes relate to Aesopian language as seen with the first sentence in the relevant article:
"Aesopian language is a means of communication with the intent to convey a concealed meaning to informed members of a conspiracy or underground movement, whilst simultaneously maintaining the guise of an innocent meaning to outsiders."
If you think it's appropriate, you can revert the changes to the See Also section under Leo Strauss where I linked to the Aesopian Language Article. I'm willing to defer to you as an arbiter in this case, as you have more experience than I do.
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As you suggested, I am looking at The History of Skepticism: From Erasmus to Spinoza by Richard H. Popkin. I also read a review of the book by Ezequiel de Olaso, one of his student. It is clearly religiously oriented. The word "God" occurs about 320 times and the book has about 380 pages. It is natural that it is religiously oriented, because it covers the late medieval and renaissance periods and Popkin was himself a scolar in religions. To get other view points, as required by Wikipedia neutrality principle, I am also looking at other books about the history of skepticism, including a book by Chatalian and a book by Floridi, which are less religiously oriented. I hope you do not fear that this might be philosophical forays into post-modern jargon-filled (and name-dropping of any idiot that has ever published anything as a "famous philospher") philosophical streams of consciousness and that I will only do my own synthesis of these post-modern, off-the-mainstream new trends in philosophy. It is not nice to make this kinds of assumptions about other wikipedians. I don't deserve that. Please instead discuss intelligently the sources with me, which is possible, because I provide references. Every thing I contribute is well sourced and can be verified. I appreciate that your inclination toward religiously oriented sources might give you the impression that other sources are off-the-mainstream new trends in philosophy from "famous philosophers" (in quotation marks), but actually I consider valid notorious sources and I think the article (and you personally) would benefit from a better consideration of these sources. It hurts me that you do not have a nicer attitude. Dominic Mayers (talk) 06:25, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231002062500","author":"Dominic Mayers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dominic_Mayers-20231002062500-Popkin's_book","replies":["c-Warshy-20231002133300-Dominic_Mayers-20231002062500"]}}-->
philosophical forays into post-modern jargon-filled (and name-dropping of any idiot that has ever published anything as a "famous philospher") philosophical streams of consciousness
own synthesis of these post-modern, off-the-mainstream new trends in philosophy.
off-the-mainstream new trends in philosophy
"famous philosophers"
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