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Hey, SoY. I'm trying to figure this out. What was happening there? —valereee (talk) 23:49, 20 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-20T23:49:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-20T23:49:00.000Z-edit_filter_edit?","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-20T23:57:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-20T23:49:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

@Valereee: 2600:1702:4960:1de0:a83c:c5d3:22c0:a90f tried to make the edit here, but was stopped by the filter. I used a development version of this script to copy the text into the edit form, and saved it. If you're asking about the <br><br>s, that was in the original; I don't know why the IP did that. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:57, 20 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-20T23:57:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-20T23:57:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-20T23:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:01:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-20T23:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Suffusion of Yellow, so they were stopped by the filter why? The reason I ask is I don't know if they were stopped because of the slurs they were using in the edit? —valereee (talk) 00:01, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T00:01:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:01:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-20T23:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Also...can you help me find the user contributions/user page that shows them making that edit? I can't find it to warn them about using those slurs. —valereee (talk) 00:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

And sorry for pinging you to your own user talk. :D —valereee (talk) 00:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T00:19:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z","c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T00:35:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

That filter (courtesy ping QEDK) is supposed to be targeting an LTA, but I don't know which one, and it seems to mostly catch drive-by trolling and personal attacks. Yes, it was the slurs that triggered the filter, and nothing else.

It doesn't appear in their contribs because they didn't make the edit. I did (while attributing them). I'm not clear why you think they should be warned. They were mentioning, not using the words. I maybe maaaaybe they were trolling, but maybe not. Of course the vast majority of edits which contain those words are hateful garbage, but I don't think that one is. The subject of the discussion is "insensitive language", after all. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T00:19:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T00:19:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

@Valereee: But if you do want to warn them anyway, the link is at Special:AbuseLog/31333768. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 00:35, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T00:35:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T00:35:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:57:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T00:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

The reason we came up with the term "n-word" is because it's offensive to use the word itself even in such discussions. —valereee (talk) 00:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T00:57:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:57:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T00:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T01:10:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

@Valereee: Sure, I would have chosen to not spell it out in that discussion. You'll note that I'm not spelling it out here. But that's my choice, and if someone else wants to do things differently, and they don't seem to have a racist intent, I'm not going to try to stop them. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T01:10:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T01:10:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T00:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-11-21T01:16:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T01:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm sorry, the [1], I still can't figure out how to get to where I should discuss with them. Where do I go, and what diff do I show them that lets them see what I'm objecting to? Sorry to be obtuse. I can't figure out why this is obscured. —valereee (talk) 01:16, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T01:16:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-21T01:16:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T01:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T01:28:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T01:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

@Valereee: The AbuseLog link shows it was User talk:2600:1702:4960:1de0:a83c:c5d3:22c0:a90f. No idea if they're still at that address. There is no spoon diff except for mine. You can link them to the AbuseLog entry, but they'll just get a permission error if they try to view it. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:28, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T01:28:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T01:28:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T01:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-11-21T17:29:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T01:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

lol I'm clearly too incompetent to figure this out. I would argue, though, that we shouldn't be putting through this kind of thing, especially when it's, um, difficult for some editors to be able to provide a diff with which to start a discussion on a user talk. There really was no reason for that editor to use those terms in that discussion. They could have used "n-word" and made the exact same point. And we don't know what their intent was. —valereee (talk) 17:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T17:29:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-21T17:29:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T01:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T19:59:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T17:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

@Valereee: I don't understand why a diff is needed. I mean, they remember what they said, I hope. But there is a bigger problem than the filter. The IP is really dynamic and they've already moved on to User talk:2600:1702:4960:1DE0:515:ADE:B2DC:BDFA.

In any case, they explained their intent here, and I wasn't about to assume bad faith. We don't have any policy against mentioning slurs on talk pages (anyone who uses such words can be blocked on sight of course). Sometime, you have to. The question is "is it so gratuitous as to be trolling" which is really a matter of opinion. I think they could have expressed themselves better, yes, but that's not a reason to refuse to help. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T19:59:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T19:59:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T17:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-11-21T20:20:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T19:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

In that discussion, what did using the actual word vs using the term "n-word" accomplish? How does "refuse to help" even come into it? Just tell them to repost without actually using the slur. I'm having a hard time coming up with a discussion in which even "sometimes, you have to." And if the IP is that dynamic, by gosh, we really need to discuss this with them before they move on and do it again. —valereee (talk) 20:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T20:20:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-21T20:20:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T19:59:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

@Valereee: I don't think it was needed in that discussion. But they IP did think so: The words were contained in the post, in context, including an instance with an expletive also included. The point being made could not have been illustrated as effectively without their inclusion. I'm not going edit another user's message without their permission.

For a place where I would spell it out, try any of talk pages of the 1,694 articles that already spell out the word. As in, "I think we should change [quote from the article] to [my modified version]". Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T20:31:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T20:31:00.000Z-edit_filter_edit?","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-11-21T20:41:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T20:31:00.000Z","c-Valereee-2021-11-22T16:38:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T20:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

But couldn't you have told them to edit it? Why are we allowing it through when we don't even know where it's coming from? If a dynamic IP is doing this, they could do it over and over and over and we'd never even realize it was the same person doing it and we'd never be communicating to them that it's not okay. We just keep letting it through because some dynamic IP says, "Oh, it's necessary." When it isn't. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be hammering you, I'm sure you're just following whatever others have done in such cases, where should I go to discuss this? —valereee (talk) 20:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T20:41:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-21T20:41:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T20:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:22:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T20:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

@Valereee: I think there are three issues here getting hopelessly tangled up:

1. When is it appropriate to fully spell out the n-word in a discussion?
2. What is the best way to help editors whose edits are disallowed by the edit filter?
3. Does MediaWiki's handling of /64 ranges leave something to be desired?

In order:

1. I think if you surveyed people, you'd find a wide variety of opinions. It is after all, allowed in article space. Most people (I suspect) would say it is at least appropriate some of the time, for example when suggesting an improvement to such an article that already spells out the n-word. Maybe it is time for a village pump discussion about the subject; of course it will descend into a shitshow once the trolls find it, but maybe it's needed anyway.
2. There's no common standard. Mine (for talk pages) is "Would I have reverted the edit if it had actually saved?" If no, then I'll make the the edit, unmodified (except for indentation, unclosed tags, and other WP:TPO exceptions), even if it make me squeamish. My general attitude is the filter can be an enormous hassle for new editors, so I try to be as generous as possible to avoid driving people away. If you want to discuss this in general, maybe WT:Edit filter/False positives?
3. Yes.

Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:22, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T21:22:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:22:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-21T20:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-ProcrastinatingReader-2021-11-21T21:53:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:22:00.000Z","c-Valereee-2021-11-22T15:11:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

My personal standard for #2 is around the same, perhaps lighter. The filter can be a hassle for newcomers so I try to make edits on their behalf, and also with private filters any diff can only be seen by admins + 20-ish non-admins, so generally if the edit was a false positive and is not vandalism or trolling, I'll make it on their behalf without prejudice to someone else reverting if they want. At minimum such edits should be in public contribution history, IMO, if they are indeed false positives (i.e. the filter should never have stopped them in the first place), so that anyone can review the edit, rather than the few EFFP responders becoming gatekeepers. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T21:53:00.000Z","author":"ProcrastinatingReader","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ProcrastinatingReader-2021-11-21T21:53:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

SoY, the problem is that this edit was 1. by a dynamic IP and 2. apparently I can't even offer a diff to refer to when I go to their talk page to discuss. If it were an editor with whom I could communicate, I could have gone to them and asked them not to do that again because in this case it was completely unnecessary to spell those words out, and certainly not twice. —valereee (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-22T15:11:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-22T15:11:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

It looks to me like the use of the n-word on other talks is mostly on talk pages for articles that themselves contain the spelled-out word in their title or in a section head, or there's a discussion of a dog named that, or whatever? I mean, obviously if a dog is named N***** we can't refer to that dog as "n-word", as that would be unclear, so someone could argue they need to spell it out on the talk. I'd still use N*****, as it seems clear to me the dog is not named Nasteriskasteriskasteriskasteriskasteriskasterisk, but fine, use the dog's actual name to refer to the dog on the article talk about that dog. But using the n-word in a discussion about "wheelchair-bound" to emphasize that the term isn't offensive because it's not associated with actual lynchings, etc.? Saying "No one says "fucking wheelchair-bound", but they do say "fucking n*****" while actually beating up Black people" would have made the exact same point. —valereee (talk) 16:38, 22 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-22T16:38:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-22T16:38:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T20:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-22T19:47:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-22T16:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

@Valereee: It's irrelevant whether I think they could have made their point in another way. Please stop trying to convince me; I already find their style off-putting. What matters is that they wanted to spell it out. It is not the place of WP:EF/FP/R regulars to enforce our personal standards. The purpose of the edit filters is to keep out garbage like this and this. Edits that no sane person would ever say are appropriate. Not the sort that experienced editors might have long-winded discussions about. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-22T19:47:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-22T19:47:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-22T16:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I had deleted the mobile editor's entire post, but it was later restored by an IP (likely the same person), twho also contacted me. Haven't heard from him (the IP), nor has he made any posts or edits since. GoodDay (talk) 21:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T21:39:00.000Z","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:39:00.000Z-edit_filter_edit?","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:42:00.000Z-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

@GoodDay: Actually, you deleted a different post from the same editor. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T21:42:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:42:00.000Z-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:44:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:42:00.000Z","c-Valereee-2021-11-22T15:14:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, well anyways, the mobile editor should be blocked, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 21:44, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T21:44:00.000Z","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:44:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:47:00.000Z-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

@GoodDay: Why do you say they are a "mobile editor"? Their edits aren't tagged as such. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:47, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T21:47:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:47:00.000Z-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:49:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Block'em anyway, if they return. GoodDay (talk) 21:49, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T21:49:00.000Z","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:49:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:54:00.000Z-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

They are still editing. But even if the now-infamous n-word post was a problem, I don't see anything else that's a major issue, though I disagree with some of their opinions. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:54, 21 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-21T21:54:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:54:00.000Z-GoodDay-2021-11-21T21:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

SoY, and that's is because it's so hard to even figure out where the edit is and how it might be handled. I do not understand how we're allowing a problematic edit to be so difficult to deal with. Seriously, it's a dynamic IP, so I can't communicate with them, and it's tripped en edit filter with a gratuitous use of two offensive terms TWICE. —valereee (talk) 15:14, 22 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-22T15:14:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-22T15:14:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-21T21:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-ProcrastinatingReader-2021-11-22T16:46:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-22T15:14:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

IMO if you want to link them to a diff it's worth just linking Suffusion's edit and it should be clear enough what's going on. Otherwise, while ideally the edit should be reflected in the editor's contribution history, this is sometimes a hassle to make happen (and in some cases impossible). Combined with the issue with IPv6 talk pages, this is really just a series of deficiencies in the wiki software, but I don't think these are going to get development resources allocated to them anytime soon (c.f. the speed at which WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU issues are being fixed). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-22T16:46:00.000Z","author":"ProcrastinatingReader","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ProcrastinatingReader-2021-11-22T16:46:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-11-22T15:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-11-22T17:01:00.000Z-ProcrastinatingReader-2021-11-22T16:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

@ProcrastinatingReader, thanks. I didn't realize SoY's edit would be so much earlier in the edit history. Sucks that WikiMedia sucks so hard. Honestly what are they doing with all that money? :D —valereee (talk) 17:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-22T17:01:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-11-22T17:01:00.000Z-ProcrastinatingReader-2021-11-22T16:46:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

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Hello... you reverted the changes we submitted to page Russell_Stuart and the warning said it was of advertising nature. This is not true. The data on the page was over 5 years old and a 12 year old photograph. We updated the information to reflect current data about this notable person and used all appropriate and relevant references. How should the page but updated to not trigger your reversal?

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@Rsepr: I've switched out the photo. As to everything else, you have some reading ahead of you:

1. Read WP:NOSHARE. Pick one person to have control of this account. If more than one of you want to update the page, you should each have your own accounts.
2. Read WP:UPE and WP:COI. Make the relevant disclosures, on each of your user pages.
3. Read WP:NPOV and WP:V, then draft your changes in your sandbox: User:Resepr/sandbox. You'll pretty much need to re-write everything. Phrases like "veteran who’s career is a culmination of over 20 years of experience" and "he offers professional insights and shares need-to-know info" are the worst examples, but really the tone of the whole update is not even close to neutral. And everything needs to be cited to third-party sources. For example, you've cited the bit about the gun shop to the gun shop's own website. That's not what we're looking for. Find a reliable sources that discusses the gun shop in depth. If none exists, then don't mention the shop.
4. Read WP:EDITREQUEST. Submit an edit request on Talk:Russell Stuart, and be patient! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:00, 26 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-26T21:00:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2021-11-26T21:00:00.000Z-Rsepr-2021-11-26T05:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello everyone, and welcome to the 22nd issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter. This issue will be covering new and updated user scripts from the past seven months (June through December 2021).

Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!

Featured script LuckyRename, by Alexis Jazz, is this month's featured script. LuckyRename makes requesting file moves easier, and automates the many steps in file moving (including automatic replacement of existing usage). Give it a shot! Updated scripts SD0001: hide-reverted-edits has been updated to take into account changes in reversion tools like Twinkle and RedWarn. Writ Keeper: massRollback.js has added a rollback-some option (missed in last issue). ClaudineChionh: SkinSwitcher (a fork and update of Eizen's script) provides an options menu/toolbox/toolbar allowing users to view a given page in MediaWiki's default skins.

Pending requests Mass-patrolling at Special:NewPages Taking up the mantle of an almost completed peer review javascript bot Restore the Wikipedia Citation Tool for Google Books Autohighlighting specific characters (Greek) ...and many more, all available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests Miscellaneous Wikipedia:User scripts/Ranking is a sortable table of Wikipedia's thousand-or-so most commonly used scripts; it includes their author, last modification date, installation count, and sometimes a short description. Toolhub is a community managed catalog of software tools used in the Wikimedia movement. Technical volunteers can use Toolhub to document the tools that they create or maintain. All Wikimedians can use Toolhub to search for tools to help with their workflows and to create lists of useful tools to share with others.

New scripts

• Ahecht:
  • draft-sorter sorts AfC drafts by adding WikiProject banners to their talk pages. It supersedes User:Enterprisey/draft-sorter, adding a few features and fixing some bugs.
  • massmove, a modified User:Plastikspork/massmove.js that adds a link to the left column, allows adding and removing both prefixes and suffixes.
  • watchlistcleaner removes missing pages (redlinks), redirects, pages you haven't edited recently, and/or pages you've never edited from your watchlist.
• Awesome Aasim:
  • Infiniscroll adds infinite scrolling to user contributions, page histories, and log pages.
  • Quick create allows for the fast creation of red-linked pages with two clicks.
• Caburum:
  • UTCclock adds a clock displaying the current UTC time.
• Chlod:
  • CopiedTemplateEditor, mainly for CCI case handlers, allows graphically editing a talk page's {{copied}} templates.
• DaxServer:
  • BooksToSfn adds a portlet link in Visual Editor's source mode editing, in main namespace articles or in the user's Sandbox. When clicked, it converts one {{cite book}} inside a <ref>...</ref> tag block into an {{Sfn}}.
• FlightTime:
  • OneClickArchiver is a custom version of User:Technical_13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver which doesn't prepend {{Clear}} to the top of each section on the archive page.
• Jon Harald Søby:
  • diffedit enables editing directly from viewing a diff "when, for instance, you notice a tiny mistake deep into an article, and don't want to edit the entire article and re-find that one line to fix that tiny mistake".
  • warnOnLargeFile warns you if you're about to open a very large file (width/height >10,000px or file size >100 MB) from a file page.
• JPxG:
  • PressPass adds a collection of tools for Newspapers.com including configurable automatic citation generation in five different formats.
  • CurrentSwitcher gives you links on the contribs page to hide duplicate entries, current revisions, rollbacks, huggles, twinkles, and redwarns.
  • TrackSum lets you automatically sum the lengths of tracks in templates like {{track listing}} and get total runtimes.
• Nardog:
  • CopySectLink adds a button to copy the unencoded page title or section path next to each heading.
  • IPAInput allows you to type in IPA symbols by directly looking at an IPA key like Help:IPA/English and clicking on the symbols.
  • TemplatePreviewGuard warns when you try to use "Preview page with this template" with a page that doesn't transclude the template.
• NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh:
  • ContribsTabVector adds "Contributions" and "Statistics" tabs to user and user talk pages on the Vector skin.
  • CopyvioChecker adds a "CopyvioCheck" tab to all pages, except Special (Vector skin only).
  • LiveDiffLink is a version of Equazcion's LiveDiffLink which shows a wikilink instead of a URL.
  • QuickDiff (by OneTwoThreeFall at Fandom) lets you quickly view any diff link on a wiki, whether on Recent Changes, contribs pages, history pages, the diff view itself, or elsewhere. For more information, view its page on Fandom.
• Novem Linguae:
  • DetectSNG scans a list of 1,600 SNG keywords and displays them at the top of the article.
  • NotSoFast highlights recently created articles in the new pages feed, to discourage patrolling them too quickly.
  • UserRightsDiff concisely displays what perm was added or removed when viewing Special:UserRights.
  • VoteCounter displays a rough count of keeps and deletes at XFDs, RFCs, etc.
  • WatchlistAFD automatically watchlists the AFDs of any pages you AFC accept or NPP patrol, to help you calibrate your reviewing.
• P.T.Đ:
  • TwinkleMobile enables Twinkle on mobile view (Minerva skin).
• Qwerfjkl:
  • editRedirect adds a → link after redirects to edit them.
  • RegExTypoFix, a script for fixing typos, is a wrapper for User:Joeytje50/RETF.js.
  • talkback creates links after user talk page links like this: |C|TB (with the first linking to the user's contributions, and the latter giving the option of sending a {{talkback}} notice). It also adds a [copy] link next to section headers.
• Rublov:
  • diff-link shows "copy" links on history and contributions pages that copy an internal link to the diff (e.g., Special:Diff/1026402230) to your clipboard when clicked.
• Rummskartoffel:
  • auto-watchlist-expiry automatically watchlists every page you edit for a user-definable duration (you can still pick a different time using the dropdown, though).
  • generate pings generates the wikitext needed to ping all members of a category, up to 50 editors (the limit defined by MediaWiki).
  • share ExpandTemplates url allows for easy sharing of your inputs to Special:ExpandTemplates. It adds a button that, when clicked, copies a shareable URL to your exact invocation of the page, like this. Other editors do not need to have this script installed in order to access the URL generated.
  • show tag names shows the real names of tags next to their display names in places such as page revision histories or the watchlist.
• Tol:
  • VisualEditor Citation Needed adds a button (under "Insert") in VisualEditor to add a {{citation needed}} tag.
• Venkat TL:
  • ColourContrib color-codes the user contributions page so that pages you've edited last are sharply distinguished from pages where another editor was the last to edit the page.
• Vukky:
  • StatusChanger is a fork of Enterprisey's Status Changer, which adds a UI to the script. (using Morebits, so you'll need to have Twinkle enabled to use it).

All in all, some very neat scripts were written in these last few months. Hoping to see many more in the next issue -- drop us a line on the talk page if you've been writing (or seeing) anything cool and good. Filling in for DannyS712, this has been jp×g. Take care, and merry Christmas! jp×g 07:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T07:30:00.000Z","author":"JPxG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JPxG-2021-12-24T07:30:00.000Z-Scripts++_Newsletter_\u2013_Issue_22","replies":[],"displayName":"jp"}}-->

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Thank you -- TNT (talk • she/her) 23:47, 17 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-17T23:47:00.000Z","author":"TheresNoTime","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-17T23:47:00.000Z-1184","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-17T23:49:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-17T23:47:00.000Z"],"displayName":"TNT"}}-->

You're welcome. But, they're adapting quickly, it would seem... Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-17T23:49:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-17T23:49:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-17T23:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:15:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-17T23:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm keeping an eye on both now 😬 -- TNT (talk • she/her) 00:15, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T00:15:00.000Z","author":"TheresNoTime","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:15:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-17T23:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:47:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"TNT"}}-->

Are you on IRC? -- TNT (talk • she/her) 00:47, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T00:47:00.000Z","author":"TheresNoTime","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:47:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T00:50:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:47:00.000Z"],"displayName":"TNT"}}-->

Ugh, no, never bothered with figuring out how to hide my IP. Agree it would be useful right now... Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 00:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T00:50:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T00:50:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:52:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T00:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Can recommend https://www.irccloud.com — the free version disconnects you after a while but it'll hide your IP. See also meta:IRC/Cloaks -- TNT (talk • she/her) 00:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T00:52:00.000Z","author":"TheresNoTime","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:52:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T00:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T01:01:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"TNT"}}-->

As to irccloud, [citation needed]. As to a cloak, yes should have done that a long time ago but never got around to it. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T01:01:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T01:01:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T00:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T01:02:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T01:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Alternatively there's a fair amount of us on Discord 🤷‍♀️ -- TNT (talk • she/her) 01:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T01:02:00.000Z","author":"TheresNoTime","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T01:02:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T01:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T01:04:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T01:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"TNT"}}-->

I'll look at signing up. Real Life calls right now unfortunately. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T01:04:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T01:04:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T01:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T02:22:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T01:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Might now be able to reconsider those filters -- TNT (talk • she/her) 02:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T02:22:00.000Z","author":"TheresNoTime","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T02:22:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T01:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T02:30:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T02:22:00.000Z"],"displayName":"TNT"}}-->

Done, we'll see if that works. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 02:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T02:30:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-18T02:30:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-02-18T02:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You've got mail. (Or if any EFM available wants to contact me on Discord or IRC, that works too. It's a fix to most of the FPs on 1184 right now.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 02:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-18T02:25:00.000Z","author":"Tamzin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tamzin-2022-02-18T02:25:00.000Z-1184","replies":[]}}-->

The Technical Barnstar

For the competent and rapid development of effective measures to deal with an emergency issue. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-19T15:34:00.000Z","author":"ProcrastinatingReader","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ProcrastinatingReader-2022-02-19T15:34:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-19T20:46:00.000Z-ProcrastinatingReader-2022-02-19T15:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

@ProcrastinatingReader: Thanks, but it was a group effort. Looks like it's getting a bit above my pay grade now, anyway. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:46, 19 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-19T20:46:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-19T20:46:00.000Z-ProcrastinatingReader-2022-02-19T15:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for catching my mistake. Cabayi (talk) 12:28, 27 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-27T12:28:00.000Z","author":"Cabayi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cabayi-2022-02-27T12:28:00.000Z-A_cookie_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Suffusion of Yellow, I'm one of the members of the WP:DAYS project, and I know you started writing this filter some time ago. I'm wondering what its status is currently, and if there is anything I can do to improve it, if indeed it needs improving. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 07:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-28T07:30:00.000Z","author":"Kiwipete","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiwipete-2022-01-28T07:30:00.000Z-Special:AbuseFilter\/1129","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-01-28T23:35:00.000Z-Kiwipete-2022-01-28T07:30:00.000Z","c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-10T22:41:00.000Z-Kiwipete-2022-01-28T07:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Kiwipete: Yeah, I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me. Looking into it now. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-28T23:35:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-01-28T23:35:00.000Z-Kiwipete-2022-01-28T07:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kiwipete-2022-02-12T03:57:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-01-28T23:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi again, Suffusion of Yellow. Please can I ask - is the filter actually working? I'm confused by statements like "Actions taken: none" in the filter log. Does this mean that the filter is not matching edits which it should do, or does it mean that it is matching, but that no action has been configured? I notice that on the filter page, the section "Actions to take when matched" has nothing selected. Sorry if I'm nagging you. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-12T03:57:00.000Z","author":"Kiwipete","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kiwipete-2022-02-12T03:57:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-01-28T23:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-12T06:51:00.000Z-Kiwipete-2022-02-12T03:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Kiwipete: That means the filter is (intentionally) configured to not do anything but log. I recently made some tweaks and was waiting for the log to rebuild so I could look for false positives. Nagging is fine, this is one of those "1% inspiration and 99% perspiration" things, so I'm bound to find an excuse to do something else. :-) Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 06:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-12T06:51:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-02-12T06:51:00.000Z-Kiwipete-2022-02-12T03:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

@Kiwipete and Toddst1: How does this message look?

An automated filter has detected a possible problem with this edit. All new additions to day-of-the-year pages must be cited to reliable sources. The citation must be added to this page. If the article about this person or event includes a citation supporting this addition, please copy the citation to this page. If the article does not include any citations supporting this addition, please find a source supporting this claim, and add it here. If there is no Wikipedia article about this person or event, do not add this entry to this page. Unsourced additions will likely be removed immediately. If you were not listing a new person or event, or otherwise believe you have received this message in error, please press "Publish changes" again and report this error.

I'll propose setting the filter to warn if y'all are fine with that message. If not, feel free to edit it. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-10T22:41:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-10T22:41:00.000Z-Kiwipete-2022-01-28T07:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Toddst1-2022-03-10T23:59:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-10T22:41:00.000Z","c-Kiwipete-2022-03-11T04:11:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-10T22:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wonderful!! Toddst1 (talk) 23:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-10T23:59:00.000Z","author":"Toddst1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Toddst1-2022-03-10T23:59:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-10T22:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, I'm very happy with this as well. Thanks a lot, Suffusion of Yellow. Kiwipete (talk) 04:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-11T04:11:00.000Z","author":"Kiwipete","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kiwipete-2022-03-11T04:11:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-10T22:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For reverting subtle vandalism on the articles of Malaysian federal constituencies. --NameName233 (talk) 05:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-11T05:05:00.000Z","author":"NameName233","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NameName233-2022-03-11T05:05:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-11T22:13:00.000Z-NameName233-2022-03-11T05:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks NameName233! Do you think this has anything to do with WP:LTA/DCVFM? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-11T22:13:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-11T22:13:00.000Z-NameName233-2022-03-11T05:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-NameName233-2022-03-12T17:13:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-11T22:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Seems like it to me. NameName233 (talk) 17:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-12T17:13:00.000Z","author":"NameName233","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-NameName233-2022-03-12T17:13:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-11T22:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The request you accepted[2][3] was apparently made by 107.115.165.11, a block evading sock of this user, who has been trying to add this information for the last 2 years as IP.[4] You can check the IPs of these both IPs and they geolocate to the same location.[5][6]

The source is misrepresented because it says that "during the period of Maratha invasions close to 400 000 people were killed"[7] than blaming only one side for killing the way this block evader is doing. Overall, what this block evader fails to understand is that we won't provide undue weight to his distortion of a colonial officer's account per WP:HISTRS and WP:RAJ, unless it is deemed reliable by an independent reliable source.

I hope you self-revert. Thanks. Azuredivay (talk) 12:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-12T12:05:00.000Z","author":"Azuredivay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Azuredivay-2022-03-12T12:05:00.000Z-Maratha_invasion_of_Bengal","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-12T18:09:00.000Z-Azuredivay-2022-03-12T12:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Azuredivay: Thanks for the heads up! Done. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-12T18:09:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-12T18:09:00.000Z-Azuredivay-2022-03-12T12:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hoping I wasn't too rambling when talking about my idea. wizzito | say hello! 06:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-17T06:38:00.000Z","author":"Wizzito","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wizzito-2022-03-17T06:38:00.000Z-Email","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-18T20:13:00.000Z-Wizzito-2022-03-17T06:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Wizzito: Not at all. Replied. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-18T20:13:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-18T20:13:00.000Z-Wizzito-2022-03-17T06:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wizzito-2022-03-28T13:23:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-18T20:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Check the filter log. I noticed it from a page watch, but hopefully it logged. wizzito | say hello! 13:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-28T13:23:00.000Z","author":"Wizzito","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wizzito-2022-03-28T13:23:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-18T20:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-28T19:50:00.000Z-Wizzito-2022-03-28T13:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Wizzito: Thanks, replied. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-28T19:50:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-28T19:50:00.000Z-Wizzito-2022-03-28T13:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wizzito-2022-03-29T12:57:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-28T19:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Replied wizzito | say hello! 12:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-29T12:57:00.000Z","author":"Wizzito","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Wizzito-2022-03-29T12:57:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-03-28T19:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'll post whatever I want and there's nothing you can effectively do about it. Leave me alone. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 12:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-10T12:51:00.000Z","author":"70.161.8.90","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-70.161.8.90-2022-04-10T12:51:00.000Z-Post_whatever","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-04-12T17:40:00.000Z-70.161.8.90-2022-04-10T12:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

Talk pages are for discussing improvements to the article. If you just want to share what's on your mind, there plenty of other sites where you can do that. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 17:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-12T17:40:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-04-12T17:40:00.000Z-70.161.8.90-2022-04-10T12:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-70.161.8.90-2022-04-13T22:25:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-04-12T17:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

And this is one of them.70.161.8.90 (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-13T22:25:00.000Z","author":"70.161.8.90","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-70.161.8.90-2022-04-13T22:25:00.000Z-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-04-12T17:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tamzin-2022-04-14T01:15:00.000Z-70.161.8.90-2022-04-13T22:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Three fun facts!

1. 70.161.8.90 is a very very static IP. It's been the same person on it for over a year.
2. 70.161.8.90 has a long history of disruptive talkpage comments. [8] [9]
3. 70.161.8.90 has been blocked twice by Ponyo, once for disruptive editing, once for personal attacks or harassment.

Now, I've managed to make it something like 9 years without starting an ANI thread, and would hate to break that streak, but perhaps someone wants to do something with that information. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 01:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-14T01:15:00.000Z","author":"Tamzin","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tamzin-2022-04-14T01:15:00.000Z-70.161.8.90-2022-04-13T22:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ponyo-2022-04-14T15:50:00.000Z-Tamzin-2022-04-14T01:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm aware that they're back and am sort of keeping an eye on it from the sidelines. Should they continue to prove they are not capable of editing civilly in a collaborative environment, I expect a long block to be forthcoming. If you'd like to take it to AN/I in the meantime, that's fine by me as well (not that you need my permission!).-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 15:50, 14 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-14T15:50:00.000Z","author":"Ponyo","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ponyo-2022-04-14T15:50:00.000Z-Tamzin-2022-04-14T01:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-04-14T19:01:00.000Z-Ponyo-2022-04-14T15:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Jezebel's Ponyo"}}-->

@Tamzin and Ponyo: Thanks, both. I've just been too lazy to gather diffs for AN/I, honestly. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:01, 14 April 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-14T19:01:00.000Z","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-2022-04-14T19:01:00.000Z-Ponyo-2022-04-14T15:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Misuse wiki. Something is not "absurd" simply because you say it is. Consider this a warning. Next time will result in a block. 107.77.241.30 (talk) 02:23, 1 May 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-01T02:23:00.000Z","author":"107.77.241.30","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-107.77.241.30-2022-05-01T02:23:00.000Z-Do_not","replies":[]}}-->

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 29 July 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220729075800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20220729075800-Precious_anniversary","replies":[]}}-->

From an Iranian IP no less. Maybe we can split 3.5 M?-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:16, 25 August 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220825231600","author":"Ponyo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ponyo-20220825231600-WTF_indeed","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20220825232400-Ponyo-20220825231600"],"displayName":"Jezebel's Ponyo"}}-->

@Ponyo: Hmmm. From the looks of their filter log, maybe not a scammer, but a would-be scam victim? Weird anyway. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220825232400","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20220825232400-Ponyo-20220825231600","replies":["c-Ponyo-20220825232700-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20220825232400"]}}-->

Oof, I had to oversight that one those ones.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:27, 25 August 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220825232700","author":"Ponyo","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ponyo-20220825232700-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20220825232400","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20220825233500-Ponyo-20220825232700"],"displayName":"Jezebel's Ponyo"}}-->

Honestly, 794 (hist · log) would be a good use case for phab:T290324. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:35, 25 August 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220825233500","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20220825233500-Ponyo-20220825232700","replies":[]}}-->

Since you work a lot with edit filters, I thought I'd ask. Would a preventing new users from blanking pages outside of article space go under a new filter, or would it go under filter 3? I ask since I recently found an IP blanking template doc pages. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:17, 2 September 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220902021700","author":"TornadoLGS","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TornadoLGS-20220902021700-Question_on_edit_filters","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20220904004300-TornadoLGS-20220902021700"]}}-->

@TornadoLGS: I'm not really all that active right now, but we already have 33 (hist · log) and 420 (hist · log) for article talk pages, 34 (hist · log) for user talk pages, and 1151 (hist · log) for Wikipedia and Help pages. I recall initially trying to add templates to 1151 and getting too many FPs. This should at least be tested separately, though I suppose there is no harm in adding template namespace to filter 3 if the same logic works. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 00:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220904004300","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20220904004300-TornadoLGS-20220902021700","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you so much. I feel happy again:-) 85.193.215.210 (talk) 21:51, 4 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221004215100","author":"85.193.215.210","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-85.193.215.210-20221004215100-The_IP_reverts_my_every_edit_and_calls_me_a_zealot","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221004220600-85.193.215.210-20221004215100"]}}-->

Sure, no problem. Already said this at the AN/I thread, but you are better off reporting this user at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Best known for IP in the future. The admins watching that page are familiar with their "vibe" you'll likely get a quick, no-drama "yep, blocked", or "sorry, I don't see the connection". Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:06, 4 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221004220600","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221004220600-85.193.215.210-20221004215100","replies":[]}}-->

Any objection to replacing filter 1223 with what is in 1190? It catches less things, but I am not seeing any false positives. -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221019094400","author":"Guerillero","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Guerillero-20221019094400-Filter_1223","replies":["c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221019204400-Guerillero-20221019094400"]}}-->

@Guerillero: Replied by email. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221019204400","author":"Suffusion of Yellow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Suffusion_of_Yellow-20221019204400-Guerillero-20221019094400","replies":[]}}-->

You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator, in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already!

Would definitely be useful for you.. -- TNT (talk • she/her) 06:50, 17 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","author":"TheresNoTime","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z-There_is_a_mop_reserved_in_your_name","replies":["c-LindsayH-2022-03-18T00:08:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","c-Serial_Number_54129-2022-03-18T00:29:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","c-John_Cline-2022-03-18T04:25:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","c-Wugapodes-2022-03-19T02:14:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","c-JavaHurricane-2022-03-19T04:04:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","c-Firefly-2022-03-19T17:32:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","c-EdJohnston-2022-03-29T22:24:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","c-SoWhy-2022-03-30T16:29:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","c-Firefly-20221019212200-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"TNT"}}-->

I agree with TNT; i recognise your name from a good number of places in the back rooms, and can easily imagine that the mop & tools would be useful for you. I don't know your content/front room work ~ it may be excellent, just not where i recognise you from ~ but so long as it isn't troubled with copyright errors or image issues or many unwilling trips to the drama boards i can't imagine that an RfA would be a bad idea. Happy days ~ Lindsay^Hello 00:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-18T00:08:00.000Z","author":"LindsayH","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LindsayH-2022-03-18T00:08:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Lindsay"}}-->

• Good to go. Now get on wit it! SN54129 00:29, 18 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-18T00:29:00.000Z","author":"Serial Number 54129","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Serial_Number_54129-2022-03-18T00:29:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• I unequivocally endorse TNT's recommendation. Not only are you well qualified and trustworthy, beyond question, you are also a rare breed of editor who's contributions identify you as a project benefactor and demonstrate that sysop tools would be appropriately useful, for you, contributing in such a role. While I could easily include several more reasons for encouraging your RfA candidacy, I think it's, descriptively, more telling to say that I honestly can not find (or imagine) one valid reason for why you should not be an administrator (notwithstanding that I have long-believed that you already were). Regardless of your decision (one way or the other) I am glad for this opportunity to thank you for all that you have done to improve this encyclopedia and site overall. Sincerely.--John Cline (talk) 04:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-18T04:25:00.000Z","author":"John Cline","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-John_Cline-2022-03-18T04:25:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• I've appreciated your work on edit filters, and I think you would find the additional tools helpful. Happy to see your name come across my talk page, and like others above I hope you consider an RfA. — Wug·a·po·des​ 02:14, 19 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-19T02:14:00.000Z","author":"Wugapodes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wugapodes-2022-03-19T02:14:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wug\u00b7"}}-->
• Agree with all of the above recommendations; have seen you around and feel you would make a good sysop. JavaHurricane 04:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-19T04:04:00.000Z","author":"JavaHurricane","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JavaHurricane-2022-03-19T04:04:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Java"}}-->
• What ^they^ said. :) firefly ( t · c ) 17:32, 19 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-19T17:32:00.000Z","author":"Firefly","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Firefly-2022-03-19T17:32:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• Support, in agreement with the above. EdJohnston (talk) 22:24, 29 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-29T22:24:00.000Z","author":"EdJohnston","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-EdJohnston-2022-03-29T22:24:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• Good luck guys, I've been trying for years... Regards SoWhy 16:29, 30 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-30T16:29:00.000Z","author":"SoWhy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SoWhy-2022-03-30T16:29:00.000Z-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"So"}}-->

Bumping this - can we please get you a mop? :) firefly ( t · c ) 21:22, 19 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221019212200","author":"Firefly","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Firefly-20221019212200-TheresNoTime-2022-03-17T06:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->