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The edit that was showing 6201 at Carnforth & 45690's additional info on visiting the ELR is genuine as Leander is currently visiting the ELR for their winter steam gala and there will be footage available on YouTube to back this claim. And then with 6201 Princess Elizabeth she is now no longer at the Midland Railway as she was moved to Carnforth MPD on the Thu 22nd February. Here's a video referencing her move to Carnforth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P0MMXEC1JU

User:Moylesy98 I see that you consider the edit that I reverted [1] to be 'genuine' but Wikipedia requires more than your WP:OR that an engine is in one place or another and a posting or a proposed posting of a video on youtube as a source. Self posted youtube video will not do. A reliable independent source is required. Please do not edit without such sources when requested. Please also sign your edits on talk pages with four tildes.SovalValtos (talk) 08:21, 3 March 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-03T08:21:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-03-03T08:21:00.000Z-ELR_Edit_changed_back","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, just dropping by to wish you well.

I'll be editing my sandbox over the few days, so please feel free to add any comments on the talk page of it, think we got off on the wrong foot last time!

All the best, --Surrey101 (talk) 17:56, 30 March 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-30T17:56:00.000Z","author":"Surrey101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Surrey101-2018-03-30T17:56:00.000Z-Hello","replies":["c-SovalValtos-2018-03-31T04:26:00.000Z-Surrey101-2018-03-30T17:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you.SovalValtos (talk) 04:26, 31 March 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-31T04:26:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-03-31T04:26:00.000Z-Surrey101-2018-03-30T17:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

If you click on the UK Steam website link there is a link to realtime trains which does provide accurate information but I gets taken down after a few weeks or months and I only wanted to add a reference which I know will stay up for a good while or even for good. A link to realtime can be added too but the link will go dead after a few months. Iv also been posting references to where iv been getting info from especialy with 31806's loaded test run as a link to the timings for the run have been included and I have also included reference to the BR database page for where I got the info for the SR light pacifics. References are being provided now

User:Moylesy98 thank you for coming here with explanations. Referencing is difficult even for experienced editors who have been adding them for a while. I understand your motive for including refs that will be available for all time. However there are ways of preserving archived copies of references which are prone to be taken down after weeks or months, so there is no need to use sub-standard sources instead of reliable ones. The quality of sources is important. They need to be WP:RELIABLE which can be difficult to determine. It can take time to become competent in referencing and you might find you need help. I am not someone who can teach what is needed. Whilst learning referencing, instead of making an edit youself, you could suggest the edit you would like to include, along with your proposed refs on the article's talk page for another more practiced editor to include in the article. It might delay things but the edit is more likely to endure if done correctly. I asked you above to sign your talk page posts with four tildes (~~~~) and having recently forgotten to do so myself on your talk page which involved someone else (User:Redrose64) correcting my mistake I am somewhat diffident about now reminding you again. Best wishes SovalValtos (talk) 21:15, 14 April 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-14T21:15:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-04-14T21:15:00.000Z-References","replies":[]}}-->

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Done.SovalValtos (talk) 10:33, 19 August 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-08-19T10:33:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-08-19T10:33:00.000Z-DPL_bot-2018-08-19T09:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Please will you contribute to Talk:Last battle of the battleship Bismarck#Difficult to understand deletion of cited content.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:42, 17 September 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-17T07:42:00.000Z","author":"Toddy1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Toddy1-2018-09-17T07:42:00.000Z-September_2018","replies":[]}}-->

I kind of agree there are BLP issues with including that information, although I fear that the fact she appeared on Celebrity Eggheads some years ago doesn't make her notable enough for an article. The only solution that seems practical is to redirect the page to TV-am, the thing that made her a public figure. Since she's mentioned in the TV-am article it should be ok. This is Paul (talk) 23:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-19T23:57:00.000Z","author":"This is Paul","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-This_is_Paul-2018-10-19T23:57:00.000Z-Wincey_Willis","replies":["c-SovalValtos-2018-10-20T12:02:00.000Z-This_is_Paul-2018-10-19T23:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

This is Paul, I am not up on redirects but does that not make for circular links in the TV-am article? How is she notable? Being a weather presenter and appearing on a quiz show does not seem to suffice. I doubt that the passing mentions in the TV-am article should survive unless someone establishes her notability.SovalValtos (talk) 12:02, 20 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-20T12:02:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-10-20T12:02:00.000Z-This_is_Paul-2018-10-19T23:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tony_Holkham-2018-10-20T12:31:00.000Z-SovalValtos-2018-10-20T12:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

If I may intrude, circular links are frustrating for users, so I have removed the square brackets from Willis's name in the TV-am article. The redirect can stay, as she definitely does exist. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-20T12:31:00.000Z","author":"Tony Holkham","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tony_Holkham-2018-10-20T12:31:00.000Z-SovalValtos-2018-10-20T12:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-This_is_Paul-2018-10-20T13:33:00.000Z-Tony_Holkham-2018-10-20T12:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Cheers for that Tony, and apologies for creating the circular redirect, it was quite late at night. SovalValtos, I agree with you re her notability. Because of this, and the limited information we have about Willis, I did think of AFD-ing the article, but that just seemed like a waste of everyone's time. I understand that redirecting is fine as long as the subject is mentioned in the article, which is the case with TV-am. Wincey Willis definitely was a (if not the) weather presenter on TV-am for a couple of years, but finding sources to support that and the rest of her television career may be difficult as she hasn't been a public figure for a long time. It's possible a website like TransDiffusion may have one or two articles making passing reference to her, but as we all know, information about topics from the pre-internet world can be a bit patchy. This is Paul (talk) 13:33, 20 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-20T13:33:00.000Z","author":"This is Paul","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-This_is_Paul-2018-10-20T13:33:00.000Z-Tony_Holkham-2018-10-20T12:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-This_is_Paul-2018-10-20T13:55:00.000Z-This_is_Paul-2018-10-20T13:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

This BBC article confirms she was at TV-am so I'll add it to that page. This is Paul (talk) 13:55, 20 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-20T13:55:00.000Z","author":"This is Paul","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-This_is_Paul-2018-10-20T13:55:00.000Z-This_is_Paul-2018-10-20T13:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Sofia Airport (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

A complaint of edit warring was filed at the AN3 noticeboard. Since you have edited the article on Sofia airport yourself, perhaps you might add your own opinion, to assist the closing administrator? On the current evidence, it appears that Jorrojorro might be blocked and there is also a question about Mashine1984. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-23T17:04:00.000Z","author":"EdJohnston","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdJohnston-2018-10-23T17:04:00.000Z-Opinion?","replies":["c-SovalValtos-2018-10-23T18:02:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2018-10-23T17:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

EdJohnston It might take me a while to gather my thoughts on this to be fair to the users concerned as well as Wikipedia. I have confidence that an Admin will make a reasonable decision.SovalValtos (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-23T18:02:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-10-23T18:02:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2018-10-23T17:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Little bit irritated

Yes, but actually Kanpur Central consists of just 10 platforms. This sentence is informative. But it was written as 18 by someone, actually a fake sentence. JS Chandra Sekhar (talk) 06:47, 25 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-25T06:47:00.000Z","author":"JS Chandra Sekhar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JS_Chandra_Sekhar-2018-10-25T06:47:00.000Z-Little_bit_irritated","replies":["c-SovalValtos-2018-10-25T10:45:00.000Z-JS_Chandra_Sekhar-2018-10-25T06:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

As there has been a difference over the number a citation is in order. 18 seems more probable if there are indeed 36 tracks, but there may be a different numbering convention in some countries.SovalValtos (talk) 10:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-25T10:45:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-10-25T10:45:00.000Z-JS_Chandra_Sekhar-2018-10-25T06:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

User:Ty78ejui I am shortly moving your comment to this new section. The workings of Wikipedia can be difficult to understand, and not just at first!SovalValtos (talk) 20:20, 30 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-30T20:20:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-10-30T20:20:00.000Z-Carmelo_Zito_Fixing_style\/layout_errors","replies":["c-Ty78ejui-2018-10-30T20:04:00.000Z-SovalValtos-2018-10-30T20:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

I was in the middle of editing the page about my father and I provided sources, I was still working them when you undid all of my work, please change what you did. It seems like you buzzed in without paying attention, and quickly ruined my hours of careful work. I have proof and sources, but you in fact deleted the links to them with your edit.Ty78ejui (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-30T20:04:00.000Z","author":"Ty78ejui","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ty78ejui-2018-10-30T20:04:00.000Z-SovalValtos-2018-10-30T20:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-SovalValtos-2018-10-30T20:35:00.000Z-Ty78ejui-2018-10-30T20:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

It is particularly difficult to edit articles close to home. You removed the citation request for evidence that "The card has been placed in a safe depot box" without supplying such a source as you say. That was one reason for my revert. Your hours of work are not ruined as they are all available in the history of edits. Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 20:35, 30 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-30T20:35:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-10-30T20:35:00.000Z-Ty78ejui-2018-10-30T20:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The reason I removed it was I had uploaded photos of the card to the wikicommons, and I had provided links to the card. The card is still in a safe deposit box at The Wells Fargo Bank in Ukiah California. If you want to then go and replace the citation needed, I am ok with doing that. I will try to figure out someway to prove the card is there. I can go today to the bank and take photos of it with a my iphone which will provide a time and a location stamp to the photo. This could then be uploaded to the page of media about Carmelo Zito. Maybe this would be helpful? I am ok with the (citation needed) if you would wish to place it there. I would like to create a page of media for Carmelo Zito to upload historical documents, scans from the book and other photos of him that are historical. I may be able to get a copy of his Newspaper and upload that was well. I am willing to work with you to make the page the way you would feel is good for wikipedia. I don't want a fake page that is merely filled with praise, that is not my intention.Ty78ejui (talk) 20:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-30T20:53:00.000Z","author":"Ty78ejui","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ty78ejui-2018-10-30T20:53:00.000Z-Carmelo_Zito_Fixing_style\/layout_errors","replies":[]}}-->

I would like to add that Wikipedia has many facts on it without sources. For example on the David Woodard page, " Sotheby's auctioned the former machine to a private collector in 2002, and the latter machine remains on extended loan from Burroughs' estate at Spencer Museum of Art.[22]" But the link 22 only leads to a website for the Spencer Museum of Art. The website link has nothing about the Dreamachine being on loan there, and Sotheby's has no comment about if the auctioned is off or not. Yet, that information has been there for years. Why are you being so hard on Carmelo Zito's entry and forcing it to stand up to the most strict standards of total proof, when the David Woodard page is allowed to have all kind of incorrect citations? It would seem to me that everyone should be forced to provide very hard proof to me fair, and just a few unlucky people who have been noticed. In fact when that page was first created and it said David Woodard was a Buddhist. I pointed out there as no sources given for David Woodard being a Buddhist or practicing Buddhist thought, but everyone ignored my comment, not even citation needed is posted there. If you don't believe me look at the history of that page. Ty78ejui (talk) 21:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-30T21:06:00.000Z","author":"Ty78ejui","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ty78ejui-2018-10-30T21:06:00.000Z-Carmelo_Zito_Fixing_style\/layout_errors","replies":[]}}-->

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Certainly the intention, but are the seeds brightly coloured? I think I just need to find a better way of expressing it. But it is a great story! KJP1 (talk) 21:58, 9 December 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-09T21:58:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2018-12-09T21:58:00.000Z-Sissinghurst_Castle_Garden_-_the_mischievous_Mr_Lloyd","replies":["c-KJP1-2018-12-09T21:59:00.000Z-KJP1-2018-12-09T21:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ah, but you've done it for me. KJP1 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-09T21:59:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-KJP1-2018-12-09T21:59:00.000Z-KJP1-2018-12-09T21:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-SovalValtos-2018-12-09T22:35:00.000Z-KJP1-2018-12-09T21:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

The seeds, when unripe at least, I recall as being bright green and tasting spicier than the leaves. I think they lose colour and brown as they ripen. If one is averse to artificially irradiated watercress they make a good alternative for those without a chalk stream in the garden.SovalValtos (talk) 22:35, 9 December 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-09T22:35:00.000Z","author":"SovalValtos","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SovalValtos-2018-12-09T22:35:00.000Z-KJP1-2018-12-09T21:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2018-12-16T21:49:00.000Z-SovalValtos-2018-12-09T22:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

I sense your knowledge of matters horticultural extends far beyond my own. Thank the Lord for Tryptofish. When Sissinghurst hits Peer review/FAC, your input will be greatly appreciated. KJP1 (talk) 21:49, 16 December 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-16T21:49:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-KJP1-2018-12-16T21:49:00.000Z-SovalValtos-2018-12-09T22:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tryptofish-2018-12-16T21:57:00.000Z-KJP1-2018-12-16T21:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for the ping and the kind words, and thanks for fixing my earlier edit. Yes, I was intending to say that the nasturtium flowers would be brightly colored, but at the time, I drew a blank about how to construct the sentence. So that was a good solution. Obviously, the seeds would not be, and even if they were, nobody would notice amid the lawn. And it just happens that I am now about to start the major writing of the section on plants. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-16T21:57:00.000Z","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tryptofish-2018-12-16T21:57:00.000Z-KJP1-2018-12-16T21:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-SovalValtos-2018-12-17T02:22:00.000Z-Tryptofish-2018-12-16T21:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Best colours I could do

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