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"undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic,"
Dear User:scope_creep. I have no financial connection with companies and persons, on which I writing.
Currently I'm writing on themes about Russian govermantal monopolies and semi monopolies, and about connection of russian billionaries and subbillionaries, and govermental structures.
So. About my investigations and writings. Summa Group - is a biggest nonfinancial corporate fail in Russia from Yukos times. It controlled a biggest Russian South seaport. and goverment subsidied grain export monopoly - United Grain Company.
Alexander Vinokurov - the man, who as generally recognized, fronted a privatization of UGC, working in Summa. Later he worked in Alfa Group A1 and outing from this company creates a Marathon Group - a company, that tryes to form together with govermental Nacimbio, create a official monopoly in a mandatory vaccination market. Later he works together with stateowned VTB Bank in combination of defacto nationalisation from Sergey Galitsky and reprivatization of a biggest russian food retail chain Magnit.
I'm planning to write about Summa's, A1 and some other russian billionary structures more. And, as I understand, nobody can say, that the companyes with auditable billionary assets and hundreds of press references are not notable. Please, explain me, how to act in this situation. Not being very experienced at Wikipedia, I would not want to receive this sort of charge in the future. Rus Investigator (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've got to say that I'm flabbergasted that an editor of your experience openly admits to having attempted to scare another user into withdrawing their AfD nominations. The undisguised personal attacks were also way beyond the pale. I don't understand the circumstances under which those nominations were made, but that kind of behaviour is absolutely unacceptable no matter what the circumstances were. GirthSummit (blether)16:43, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Scope creep, I came here to say something similar - I'd be happy to read anything you care to say about the situation, and I'll be happy to post it to ANI if you wish, on the proviso that it doesn't contain anything that could be interpreted as harassment or intimidation towards to OP. GirthSummit (blether)17:42, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Girth Summit: I didn't expect to end up here. I was planning to spend at least another 20 years on Wikipedia and get to 2000 articles. Let me explain the context. There has been several times in the 15 years, four times to be exact including this, when it's set me off and have been warned about it, several times, which is the reason I have taken cognizance of it. I thought I had conquered it, I really did, take a step back and forget about it, move onto something else and have tried to follow that path consistently since then and for the most part over the last seven years I have and its worked. But this time it was different, because it was on a bigger scale and no communication. The thing that really set me off and bugs me to this day and always does, even when I'm at work, is the lack of rational interaction. There was no interaction, no rationale conversation, a meeting of minds, nothing. It is an assumption that people make, that you'll be OK with it, they won't tell you about, but you'll OK with it, even though you bee. In the scenario they see you as characters on a page and profile, they don't really see you, so they crack on and then it blows up, they get upset and don't understand why the other person gets upset. It's like two folk talking about a third person while they are lying dead of a slab. It is completely non-collegiate. It wouldn't have minded if he had said something to me. The editor asked me a question about one article and I thought, that's it. But nothing else. A simple talk page message would have been all needed. The very first article I wrote was deleted within minutes, and the deleting editor left me a message, why it was deleted. That was that. No reaction ad it didn't bother in the least, the rationale conversion had taken place. That combined with the amount of work it took me to create those articles. I know any article can go to Afd. I joined and several years later was a big presentation about bias in Wikipedia, it was apparent even then, and I happened to read the Alan Turing article and thought I'd look at the German folk who did the same work, of course there was nothing, not a single article. So I spent the next 5+ years creating 48 articles on them, months upon months of research. All that doesn't excuse my behaviour, but MZTourist didn't even make an attempt to find that out. I did try and scare him into withdrawing them, mainly by channelling my family. I certainly do not believe in revenge, it is hateful and imagine it makes you very bitter, which is itself destructive. I must admit I did want MZTourist to feel some the pain that I was feeling, but I felt as though I was being targetted from his comments. He is not exactly the most sanguine character, having had complaints from several editors in the last couple of year. His comments in the Afd talk, gave me the indication that he was targetting me as he assumed I didn't under notability. None of that is excuse. It is worth noting that all content creators kick up a stink when they're stuff is threatened. Think of Missvain getting several of her articles prodded last week. She went ballistic as I did, pointing out the prodding editor didn't understand what notability is about. Wikipedia gave me a lot, I really care for it and I gave a lot back. scope_creepTalk20:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Scope creep, hi, and thanks for this response. I'm lucky in that nothing I've written has ever been nominated for deletion, but I can imagine that it must be frustrating, and that having multiple articles nominated in rapid succession by the same user must be particularly galling - I totally get that you will inevitably have had an emotional response to that. Some of the things you said though, as I think you've realised now from what you've said above, were totally out of line, to the point of being threatening - and you admitted that you were attempting to frighten another user - we simply can't allow that, no matter what the circumstances. I have no interest whatsoever in having an enthusiastic and capable writer prevented from contributing to the project, but I think that you need to give some pretty cast iron undertakings about future conduct if you want to be unblocked. So, what do you want to do now? With the comments about the OP's character in there, I don't feel I can post that at the ANI thread, but if you want to draft something else with some indication of how you'd like to proceed, without commenting on the OP personally, I'd be happy to post that. Or, you can make an unblock request, and I'll leave it to another admin to review. GirthSummit (blether)20:56, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Girth Summit: I apologise to everybody involved in this. I have really wasted everybody's time, including my own. Looking back, the stress put me into overload and I reacted in a way that I would never react to in normal manner. I would never react like that in manner at work or amongst friends or colleagues and wouldn't expect anybody else to react in that manner towards me. Its entirely outside my normal experience. It's only been a few days and feels like it was last year. I don't think I can come back in the short term certainly. It has completely switched me off and would be unable to start editing. If I did come back, I wouldn't be working in kind of non-mainstream article, particularly of the type that was sent to Afd. I never planned to work on any more of types of those articles anyway except b-dienst which needs some work, but for the most part, what could be discovered was already in and already completed. I was planning to create a couple of templates in the first three months of this year to pull all the articles together. I'm certainly much less attached to the question of deletion than I was before. When you go through this sort of experience, you look back and say, you've done it and you know about and know how approach it without causing any hassle. I don't ever plan to create the kind of article that requires thinking out of what box on constitutes notability. For those articles I took the approach that as Wikipedia was the universal encyclopedic it should have at least some kind of entry on every subject, even if it was obscure, secret or byzantine. That has certainly not worked. They will be mainstream articles and if they put up for nomination, then I don't plan to defend then. scope_creepTalk18:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Scope creep, I really understood why you did what you did, but in the eyes of most editors, it'll really mean WP:REVENGE. This is what really forced Onel5969 into an unfortunate retirement, and it's what happened to Missvain recently. Having most of the articles that you suffered to write and create over the years taken to AfD or PROD in quick succession, will really affect anybody, no matter who the person is. I'm really sorry that you have to suffer this and I don't want us to lose another experienced Wikipedian, and especially someone like you, who really have Wikipedia at heart. NNADIGOODLUCK(Talk|Contribs)19:41, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for those words Scope creep - I've posted that at ANI. You haven't requested an unblock, but should you do so, I would have no problem with any admin granting one if you were to accept a one-way IBAN with MZTourist. (I'm confident that you have no intention of harassing them any further anyway, but in a case like this I think that would need to be formalised.) I hope that you do decide to come back, when you're ready - I know that your contributions will be missed at NPP, and I'm sure there are other areas of the project which will be worse for your absence. GirthSummit (blether)12:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Scope creep, I suggest you post an unblock request along these lines, I think most of us at least understand your frustration and I think a lot of us are prepared to take your apology at face value. Guy (help!) 09:06, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission,:
This needs exact specification ofthe various awards--whetherit was as a winner or just nominee, whether it was a geographic section or national, and which subject subdivision it was. Each one needs an exact reference.
For any awards where she was one of a group, that must be specified, with a link to the WP article.
The official announcement of her appointment to Stanford must be listed, as well as her official CV. The effective date of that appointment is critical information. . Thanks! DGG ( talk ) 23:35, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Scope creep, I've blocked the IP. You know the rules around block evasion. I appreciate that you will have a natural desire to defend your work at AfD, and I personally miss your contributions to NPP, but you need to make an unblock request if you want to continue contributing, you can't just edit through an IP and expect us to look the other way. GirthSummit (blether)09:39, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Girth Summit: That is fine, I wasn't planning on editing as an IP address. I would be an absurd position to take. I wanted to make a comment, although I doubt it will make much difference to the Afd, since it is already gone. scope_creepTalk18:34, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Barkeep49 is right - I don't want you to think that this situation is permanent. I'd be willing to craft a restriction in such a way as to allow you to participate in discussions of your own work that the other editor has nominated (subject to normal civility requirements), provided you accept an Iban in other forums. I hope you make an unblock request along these lines - I'm on mobile at the moment, but any passing admin should feel free to accept such a request without consulting me. GirthSummit (blether)19:10, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, I would like to be unblocked, if possible. It has been four months since I was rightly blocked and I think now is the time to come back and do some work. I think I need a one way IBAN in place, per the previous conversations with GirthSummit. I don't intend to create any of these articles types again, that have such slim notability. I have noticed mistakes in several articles, including a wrong link in one article. I have several hundred article still to write and several article that are half done. Red Orchestra needs completed as well. This wont happen again. I have much less attachement to seeing my old articles being put to Afd. Thanks. scope_creepTalk10:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Accept reason:
You have addressed the reasons you were blocked, and you are accepting a one-way interaction ban with the other party - I see no reason for you to remain blocked. Happy to accept this request. GirthSummit (blether)11:08, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi scope creep - I'm glad that you want to return to editing. I'm going to log this as a voluntary interaction ban, since there wasn't a formal consensus to enact it as a community-endorsed ban. I'm sure you'll abide by the terms of it, but obviously if you don't then we'd need to go to AN to get it endorsed by the community, which I don't imagine anybody wants. You can see the restrictions which apply to you at WP:IBAN - let me know if you have any questions. Pinging Barkeep49 and JzG, who have both commented here in the past concerning this block - just keeping you in the loop. GirthSummit (blether)11:14, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yip @Insertcleverphrasehere:, I'm trying to split the main GDNA article up, to make it smaller. This chunk is 26k off of it. There is two other big sections that can come out, and make seperate articles, which should have the size of it hopefully. scope_creepTalk13:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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