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Just wanted to let you know there's been an edit skirmish on that article today. I'm struggling getting through. Could you pass your thoughts? --Jza84 |  Talk  19:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-15T19:27:00.000Z","author":"Jza84","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jza84-2008-08-15T19:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

If you have an issue with something I have writen, please contact my direct. I dont take credit for anything. I mearly added those names onto the new Greater Manchester list after the section was added. As you'll see in the history of events, I was responding to events and once it became apparent that the other contributors did not see eye to eye with my view, I agreed to their input. (Archangel1 (talk) 22:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)).__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-15T22:48:00.000Z","author":"Archangel1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Archangel1-2008-08-15T22:48:00.000Z-Comments","replies":["c-Malleus_Fatuorum-2008-08-15T23:20:00.000Z-Archangel1-2008-08-15T22:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

After how many reverts did you come to that view? You were lucky not to get blocked for WP:3RR. Let's please calmly discuss this article, and come to a consensus view on what it ought to look like. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-15T23:20:00.000Z","author":"Malleus Fatuorum","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Malleus_Fatuorum-2008-08-15T23:20:00.000Z-Archangel1-2008-08-15T22:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! Really struggling for wikitime at the moment, but I'll take a look at, and take note of, what you've said. I think you're detection work for Mark Addy is first rate. I'll get back to you asap! --Jza84 |  Talk  22:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-18T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Jza84","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jza84-2008-08-18T22:25:00.000Z-Re:_Mark_Addy","replies":[]}}-->

I am new to Wikipedia, but this information is correct and its visual so can you please take a look at it before removing it. Its in the interest of heritage and Manchester culture i.e the Salford Lads Club. Minority film directors have as much right to be named if they are directly credited to the Salford Lads Club and I.E is in the public interest for research.

Salford Lads Club is mentioned and shown in Aneel Ahmads the making of documentary which is on his site I suggest you view the documentary. This is actual genuine information. Regards Paul) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulbeatz (talk • contribs) 21:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-25T21:36:00.000Z","author":"Paulbeatz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paulbeatz-2008-08-25T21:36:00.000Z-SALFORD_LADS_CLUB_MANCHESTER","replies":[]}}-->

There isnt a ref from myspace its a ref from the actual Video so i disagree with you, there is a clear clip of the lads club in this video which is streamed, and i feel you are totally wrong in deleting information which is fact. If the information wasnt visual on the next i understand your point, but there is a clip from a visual documentary which clearly shows Salford Lads Club in film. This information therefore is correct regardless of whatever site its streamed on Richard. You are clearly putting your own personal stamp on a public site which is there for so one contributes. This is fact and i am going to change it back as you are out of order! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulbeatz (talk • contribs) 22:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-25T22:31:00.000Z","author":"Paulbeatz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paulbeatz-2008-08-25T22:31:00.000Z-SALFORD_LADS_CLUB_MANCHESTER","replies":[]}}-->

ohh yeah and PS - The British Council publish information for most British films in 2003 http://www.britfilms.com/britishfilms/catalogue/browse/?id=D9CC7059030101E8E4vJk2990712 - so i searched their files. Its there so i suggest next time look at the information, as i have worked very hard to build the profile and workings for this director —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulbeatz (talk • contribs) 22:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-25T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Paulbeatz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paulbeatz-2008-08-25T22:44:00.000Z-SALFORD_LADS_CLUB_MANCHESTER","replies":[]}}-->

Ah, sorry about that, especially since what I did probably involved less effort than what you did. I essentially copied and pasted the section on Roman Manchester from the History of Manchester article. I think the bit on Mamucium should be shifted to history rather than landmarks though. I just pasted in the stuff into the Mamucium section, assuming it was already under history. Nev1 (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-26T16:47:00.000Z","author":"Nev1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nev1-2008-08-26T16:47:00.000Z-Castlefield","replies":["c-Nev1-2008-08-26T16:53:00.000Z-Nev1-2008-08-26T16:47:00.000Z","c-Nev1-2008-08-26T17:01:00.000Z-Nev1-2008-08-26T16:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ok, all I'll do is copy into the right place. Nev1 (talk) 16:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-26T16:53:00.000Z","author":"Nev1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nev1-2008-08-26T16:53:00.000Z-Nev1-2008-08-26T16:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

PS. I'm glad you didn't lose your work, I hate it when that happens! Nev1 (talk) 17:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-26T17:01:00.000Z","author":"Nev1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nev1-2008-08-26T17:01:00.000Z-Nev1-2008-08-26T16:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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On 29 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mark Addy (Albert Medal), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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The Greater Manchester WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Greater Manchester Newsletter Issue IX - September 2008 June issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News It's been three months since the last newsletter, but there's been a lot going on... Promoted articles: Greater Manchester is one of our project's top priority articles, the Greater Manchester article comprehensively covers everything to do with the county, from culture and history, to transport and demography. Manchester United F.C. records and statistics is about the records of one of Greater Manchester's best know clubs, which feats like "the club currently holds the record for the most FA Cup triumphs with 11". City of Salford is about the local government area and Greater Manchester's second city. Getting Salford to GA is one our the aim's of our project, so hopefully this may help. Castleshaw Roman fort and Mamucium are about Greater Manchester's two Roman forts and are part of the county's lesser known ancient history. Hyde Road in Ardwick was the home of Manchester City F.C. from 1887 until it was demolished in 1923. Manchester, Bolton and Bury Canal is about the history and modern restoration of the disused canal running through the county. (It's now at FAC, so please improve the article if you can!) Manchester Mummy is about Hannah Beswick, whose macabre fear of being buried alive lead to her demanding that her body was kept above ground and checked periodically for signs of life. Milnrow is a small town in Rochdale with a long history. The wool trade was important to the town and was the basis of much of its industry. (It's also the first GA for Rochdale!) Ordsall Hall is an important Tudor hall in Salford with a reputation for being haunted! Royton is a town in Oldham that was strongly influenced by the Industrial Revolution. Trafford Park was the first industrial estate in the world! Added to the project: Some articles out there are already good quality and have been added to the project as we continue to expand: Joy Division, the rock band from Salford that would later become New Order and perhaps best known for their song 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'. Bert Trautmann is the German goalkeeper who broke his neck playing for Manchester City... and carried on playing! The Peterloo Massacre appeared on the front page on 16 August! Well done to everyone who contributed to the article about a key moment of Greater Manchester's history and managed to get it showcased. A new portal has been set up! The Greater Manchester portal showcases some of the best articles to do with the county. Thanks to Polishname for single-handedly getting it up and running. Castleshaw Roman fort, Cine City, Withington, The Towers (Manchester), Daily Express Building, Withington Community Hospital, Mamucium, Port of Manchester, and Mark Addy (Albert Medal) have all appeared on the DYK? section of the main page! For details of the DYKs by the project that have appeared on the main page, see Did you know? There is a proposal to move members who haven't edited for a while to an inactive members list, so if you've not been edited recently but still want to be a member let us know! WikiProject Greater Manchester is still the leading local British WikiProject! As far as featured content goes, we have a lead of 5 on Yorkshire and 11 on London! WP:GM now is the leading project in terms of GAs too with 5 more than London and 7 more than Yorkshire! If you see an article that you think deserves to be a GA, don't hesitate to nominate it at WP:GAC! WT:GM: The project's talk page is a forum for discussion and to keep up to date with the latest project developments and initiatives put it on your watchlist! Recently there have been discussions on articles to be deleted, the congestion charge, how to get members involved and working together, and plenty of other stuff. Written by Nev1 • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:GM?? Please nominate yourself at WT:GM! New editors are always welcome! Aims The short-terms aims for the WikiProject are: Obtain GA status for Salford. Obtain GA status for Kersal Moor. Get a lead/static image in every infobox of every town in the county. Obtain FL status for List of railway stations in Greater Manchester. Obtain GA and/or FA status for Manchester Small-Scale Experimental Machine. Obtain FL status for List of people from Bolton. Obtain GA status for one third of Greater Manchester's Metropolitan Boroughs. Obtain B -> GA status for Rochdale, Wigan, Bury, Bolton and Stockport. Although the project has had a lot of GAs and FAs recently, most of the articles covered by our short term aims haven't experienced much activity recently. Baby has undergone some change, but has a long way to go, and List of railway stations in Greater Manchester is very close to FL quality. If you think you can help improve an article, be bold and get editing! Articles such as List of railway stations in Greater Manchester already appear very close to FL status and may just require an editor to guide them through the FLC process. Although these are the project's explicit short term aims, we endeavour to "improving all Wikipedia articles that are concerned with Greater Manchester", so every edit is valuable. Member News There are 53 members of WikiProject Greater Manchester. Since 12 June, the project has gained 7 new members: A1personage SquarePeg Andysimo123 Aygo Lozleader AnIco Hindleyite Welcome to everyone, and let's remember to make these new members feel included in the project! If you need help, you can go to the project talk page, or perhaps look at the list of members to see if anyone can help. The project is always looking for new members, and if you spot an editor who makes good changes to Greater Machester related articles why not invite them to join up by adding this template to their talk page: {{SUBST:Welcome WPGM}}. Thanks A big "thank you" goes to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Reminders... Images! There are some good images around, but more are still needed if we're going to get a "lead/static image in every infobox of every town in the county"! The requested photographs category lists some of the articles needing images. 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Totally agree! It was the best I could find on either geograph or flickr! I've no objections to it being moved if something better comes along :) --Jza84 |  Talk  02:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-05T02:26:00.000Z","author":"Jza84","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jza84-2008-09-05T02:26:00.000Z-Re:_Peel_Park","replies":[]}}-->

On 9 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Peel Park, Salford, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Thought you might be interested to read this Parrot of Doom (talk) 12:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T12:39:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-09-17T12:39:00.000Z-Kersal_Cell","replies":["c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-09-17T20:35:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-09-17T12:39:00.000Z","c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-01T10:21:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-09-17T12:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Its probably one of the society's books - the only one I want is the VI Tomlinson book. One was on Ebay recently but I was outbid :( Parrot of Doom (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T20:35:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-09-17T20:35:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-09-17T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yay, another shiny spinny thing :) Parrot of Doom (talk) 10:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-01T10:21:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-01T10:21:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-09-17T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. I've tweaked the quotes you just added to Bridgewater Canal. As they are quotes, could you please check that my changes are appropriate corrections to the transposed text and have not altered the originals? Thanks. EdJogg (talk) 09:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-02T09:22:00.000Z","author":"EdJogg","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdJogg-2008-10-02T09:22:00.000Z-Bridgewater_Canal_-_Quotes","replies":[]}}-->

The Greater Manchester WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Greater Manchester Newsletter Issue X - October 2008 September issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Usually this is where this month's promoted articles are listed, however there is something more important this month. In September, the project was notified which of its articles were selected for a DVD version of wikipedia. The 49 are listed here, although the quality ratings are a bit out of date. Twenty-two of the articles were GA-class or higher, and only five were below B-class. These are articles that have been selected by wikipedia, not simply as the best but the most important, so they require our attention, most importantly those that fall below GA standards. We still have until the 20th October to make changes to the articles, so please if you think you can improve any of them in any way please do so! In other news, it's been a busy month with plenty going on... Promoted articles: The Manchester, Bolton and Bury Canal is a disused canal undergoing restoration. The canal, which travels between Bolton and Manchester with a branch heading north east to Bury, was abandoned in 1961. Old Trafford is the iconic home ground of Manchester United F.C.; it has staged international matches and is the only ground in the country to have been given a five-star rating by UEFA. List of railway stations in Greater Manchester details the 100 stations along Greater Manchester's 142 miles of track, with figures such as number of users. Having previously been described as "bare, wet, and almost worthless", Ashton-under-Lyne rose to prominence in the Industrial Revolution as one of the most famous mill towns in the north west. Tameside is a metropolitan borough east of Manchester, encompassing the towns of Ashton-under-Lyne, Audenshaw, Denton, Droylsden, Dukinfield, Hyde, Longdendale, Mossley and Stalybridge. Henry Taylor is Oldham's forgotten Olympic hero. He won 3 swimming golds at the 1908 Olympics, a record for most golds in a single games by a Briton until Chris Hoy equalled it this year. Ronnie Wallwork was born in Newton Heath and has represented the England U20 football team; after playing for Manchester United, he spent most of his career playing for West Bromwich Albion F.C. Henry Taylor, Peel Park, Salford, and the Manchester and Bolton Railway appeared on the DYK? section of the main page! For details of the DYKs by the project that have appeared on the main page, see Did you know? WikiProject Greater Manchester is still the leading local British WikiProject! As far as featured content goes, we have a lead of 8 on Yorkshire and 15 on London! WP:GM now is the leading project in terms of GAs too with 5 more than London and 7 more than Yorkshire! If you see an article that you think deserves to be a GA, don't hesitate to nominate it at WP:GAC! WT:GM: The project's talk page is a forum for discussion and to keep up to date with the latest project developments and initiatives put it on your watchlist! Recently there have been discussions on articles to be deleted, the congestion charge, how to get members involved and working together, and plenty of other stuff. There wasn't space in the last newsletter, but as of 24 July 2008 the project has a list of articles that have tags on them. As of 14 July 2008, 351 (21.8%) of our articles need a clean-up, although this should have gone down as some have already received attention (the bot does not seem to update the listing often). In other news, the Merseyside Wikiproject has been set up. If you have an interest in the area or want to help out in any way, head over to the project page and pitch in. Written by Nev1 Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:GM?? Please nominate yourself at WT:GM! New editors are always welcome! Aims The short-terms aims for the WikiProject are: Obtain GA status for Salford. Obtain GA status for Kersal Moor. Get a lead/static image in every infobox of every town in the county. Obtain GA and/or FA status for Manchester Small-Scale Experimental Machine. Obtain FL status for List of people from Bolton. Obtain B -> GA status for Rochdale, Wigan, Bury, Bolton and Stockport. In the past month we've achieved two of our short-term aims! The List of railway stations in Greater Manchester was expertly guided through the featured list process with hardly a problem, and now that Tameside is a GA a third of the county's boroughs are GA status or better. There's still plenty to do, some our our top-priority articles need referencing or tidying up, so don't hesitate to dive in! If you think you can help improve an article, be bold and get editing! And please keep an eye on the 49 articles selected for the wikipedia DVD. Although these are the project's explicit short term aims, we endeavour to "improving all Wikipedia articles that are concerned with Greater Manchester", so every edit is valuable. Member News No new members joined the project in September and there are 49 active members of WikiProject Greater Manchester. A new list of inactive members has been started. Anyone who hasn't made an edit to wikipedia since 1 March 2008 automatically goes onto the list. If you need help, you can go to the project talk page, or perhaps look at the list of members to see if anyone can help. The project is always looking for new members, and if you spot an editor who makes good changes to Greater Machester related articles why not invite them to join up by adding this template to their talk page: {{SUBST:Welcome WPGM}}. Thanks A big "thank you" goes to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Reminders... Images! There are some good images around, but more are still needed if we're going to get a "lead/static image in every infobox of every town in the county"! The requested photographs category lists some of the articles needing images. Assessment As of 4th October, we have had 100% of our articles assessed for quality! Even so, 151 of our 1684 articles remain unassessed for importance. Please take a look and see what you can do. Articles needing attention Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion and the list of articles needing cleanup are in permanent need of attention. Last but not Least... If you've got a story to go in next month's news letter, leave a note here.

I haven't got this watchlisted, but if you're having any further trouble, give me a nudge and I'll pop over, maybe to semi-protect the page. :) --Jza84 |  Talk  15:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-16T15:04:00.000Z","author":"Jza84","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jza84-2008-10-16T15:04:00.000Z-University_of_Salford","replies":["c-Jza84-2008-10-17T22:05:00.000Z-Jza84-2008-10-16T15:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Much better! Thanks!

I know you've worked closely on Broughton, Greater Manchester, and so I hope the changes I made today are well recieved!... I think the 3rd and 4th paragraphs in the lead still need work, but I'm struggling for ideas. --Jza84 |  Talk  22:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-17T22:05:00.000Z","author":"Jza84","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jza84-2008-10-17T22:05:00.000Z-Jza84-2008-10-16T15:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jza84-2008-10-17T23:49:00.000Z-Jza84-2008-10-17T22:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

I agree 100%. The edits to Broughton were problematic. However, the anon (who I think is also editting as User:Ros1066) has spread to other areas, including Prestwich, making some newbie type changes we'll have to watch and guide as appropriate (it's always fun to socialise new members don't you think?).

I've tried to tone down some of Prestwich, whilst also creating a Prestwich category at WikiCommons (which I think some of your images here at WP may benefit from going into).

I'll try and hunt down a good image for Broughton's infobox, as well as (hopefully) taking a look at sites like visionofbritain and britishhistoryonline for some ideas for expansion. It would be nice to get something from that neck of the woods upto B/GA class I think. Any luck with Kersal Moor? --Jza84 |  Talk  23:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-17T23:49:00.000Z","author":"Jza84","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jza84-2008-10-17T23:49:00.000Z-Jza84-2008-10-17T22:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jza84-2008-10-18T00:19:00.000Z-Jza84-2008-10-17T23:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have Cooper's Salford: An Illustrated History - maybe that has something in it about Kersal Moor and Broughton? I should've checked really! :S

I'll try to monitor Miss (?) Ros! Looking at their contribs they look like they might want to add something about a dance club they are involved with! The panoramic image is quite nice though - I hope it's not a copyvio mind.

Regarding the River Irwell article, there's a few things I'd have done differently, but the vast majority is looking rather healthy. I have a quote somewhere that a Salford/Eccles/Worsely councillor called it a "dirty stinking river" in the 1970s - that might be useful to you perhaps? I think the lead is a little thin and needs bulking up to match the quality of the main text (also mention the Irwell Valley there?), whilst there are a few single paragraph sections that might need a rethink. The prose itself though is very good, and very well sourced. :) --Jza84 |  Talk  00:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-18T00:19:00.000Z","author":"Jza84","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jza84-2008-10-18T00:19:00.000Z-Jza84-2008-10-17T23:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

No problem mate, I'm going through it all and improving the grammar and referencing. If you have the refs in front of you could you put author and page numbers in, it will make it easier to get to GA or FA. I'm being critical of the article, and not your good work. I'll try and make a map for it this week :) Parrot of Doom (talk) 13:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-21T13:34:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T13:34:00.000Z-Irwell","replies":["c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T13:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well mostly its a good article and doesn't need major input, there are lots of minor grammatical errors and spelling mistakes but they're easy to spot. I think the commerce section should take its references from each article - there are plenty in the Bridgewater article and its a simple copy paste operation. I think the Irwell Valley Sculpture Trail should go, it's better placed in the Irwell Valley article IMO as the trail doesn't really follow the river, it follows the valley, which the river runs though (if you get my meaning). It will never get past GA without those page numbers though. I know that the Times archive is free with a library pass, I'll have a look to see if the MEN do a similar thing. Parrot of Doom (talk) 14:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T13:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-22T18:05:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z","c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-22T19:27:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z","c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T12:52:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z","c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T13:46:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

here, I split it up and inserted it into other sections as it didn't seem to make any chronological sense to me. Admittedly I hadn't read the wikiproject structure so that was a mistake. I think the article would be better served by putting such a heading above the 2nd paragraph in the geology section, and then moving the 'fish stocks' bit which I tagged onto the end of the 1980s section, back there. I'm a little bit concerned by repetition as the pollution is discussed in great detail so I would suggest that 'despite its industrial past' be changed to avoid a presumption that the reader knows what this entails. I'm not sure about the length of some of the 20th century material, and I also have misgivings about the Mark Addy section. The sections on commerce are great though, I like how they focus on the competitive nature of the companies involved. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-22T18:05:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-22T18:05:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Its back in now - have a look and let me know if you think it works. Parrot of Doom (talk) 19:27, 22 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-22T19:27:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-22T19:27:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

PS - maps - if you want to know how I do them, its very easy. Just find a modern online map like Google maps.co.uk, look at the terrain view, then screengrab that view (prt scr), paste it into photoshop or similar, stitch together as many screengrabs as you need, save the stitched together big map as a jpg, then load up 'inkscape' (free), import the jpg as a base layer, and trace the route of the river over the top of that jpg on another layer. From there on its just a question of knowing how to make the traced line curved, adding colours, text etc which is all available as an online help file. To do that map took me about 30 minutes. Once you've done a few it really is a doddle. Parrot of Doom (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-23T12:52:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T12:52:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Let me know where the image was taken, I'll find out :) I hav vays and meanz... Parrot of Doom (talk) 13:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-23T13:46:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T13:46:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-21T14:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T21:11:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T13:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

here? That may just be drainage, I cycle there regularly and its always dry there. Coincidentally that little bridge is the site of an old ford that used to be the crossing, before Clifton Aquedct was built. Parrot of Doom (talk) 21:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-23T21:11:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T21:11:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T13:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T23:58:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T21:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

The ford was across the river, from Hogg's bridge (now a metal bridge over the canal just south of that location) to the north bank of the river. Its probably still very shallow there although it hasn't been used for 220 years :)

Anyhow I looked at some maps and it appears that that channel comes from where Molyneux Bleach Mill was (Molyneux station was next to it, its on Wiki). Theres also a culvert close by. I reckon that the trickle of water is an industrial overflow from a nearby lodge, itself fed by water further north/northeast through the North Wood. The old maps aren't distinct, they certainly don't give it a name although a 'spring' is marked on the 1910 map. The 1923 map shows it clearly, and it's even marked with arrows. I wouldn't say that it's a tributary but I'm by no means an expert on the subject of how one classifies a stream, etc. Parrot of Doom (talk) 23:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-23T23:58:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T23:58:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T21:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-24T21:45:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T23:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Spelt Roch, pronounced Roach ;) Parrot of Doom (talk) 21:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-24T21:45:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-24T21:45:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-23T23:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-24T22:34:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-24T21:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

You're not the first! Parrot of Doom (talk) 22:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-24T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-24T22:34:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-10-24T21:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks! It looks great! How on earth did you find that? --Jza84 |  Talk  23:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-27T23:21:00.000Z","author":"Jza84","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jza84-2008-10-27T23:21:00.000Z-Re:_A_Rochdale_timeline","replies":[]}}-->

The Greater Manchester WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Greater Manchester Newsletter Issue XI - November 2008 October issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News It's been a quieter month than September, but plenty has been going on... Promoted articles: Born in Stalybridge and raised in Ashton-under-Lyne, Hugh Mason was a mill owner and politician. He was popular among his workers for shortening the working week at his factories without cutting their pay. Bank Street was the home ground of Manchester United F.C. from 1893 until 1910. The site was abandoned because it was not big enough in the opinion of club owner John Henry Davies. No articles were DYKs this month. For details of the DYKs by the project that have appeared on the main page, see Did you know? WikiProject Greater Manchester is still the leading local British WikiProject! As far as featured content goes, we have a lead of 8 on Yorkshire and 14 on London! WP:GM now is the leading project in terms of GAs too with 7 more than both Yorkshire and London! If you see an article that you think deserves to be a GA, don't hesitate to nominate it at WP:GAC! Trafford was featured on the main page on the 12th October and was viewed 13,800 on the day (27,100 times over 4 days). The project's cleanup listing has been updated with stats from 8 October. As of 14 July, 351 (21.8%) of our articles need a clean-up, this has risen to 447 out of 1689 (26.5%). Although this is disappointing, it reflects a more widespread use of tags on articles to indicate what needs attention rather than a decline in the standard of this project's articles. WT:GM: The project's talk page is a forum for discussion and to keep up to date with the latest project developments and initiatives put it on your watchlist! Recently there have been discussions on articles to be deleted, the congestion charge, how to get members involved and working together, and plenty of other stuff. Member News There are now 53 active members of WikiProject Greater Manchester as 4 new members joined the project in October: TheFamousPeter Felix Folio SecundusTheFamousPeter RuthAS Anthony of the Desert Welcome to everyone, and let's remember to make these new members feel included in the project! If you need help, you can go to the project talk page, or perhaps look at the list of members to see if anyone can help. The project is always looking for new members, and if you spot an editor who makes good changes to Greater Machester related articles why not invite them to join up by adding this template to their talk page: {{SUBST:Welcome WPGM}}. Written by Nev1 Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:GM?? Please nominate yourself at WT:GM! New editors are always welcome! Aims The short-terms aims for the WikiProject are: Obtain GA status for Salford. Obtain GA status for Kersal Moor. Get a lead/static image in every infobox of every town in the county. Obtain GA and/or FA status for Manchester Small-Scale Experimental Machine. Obtain FL status for List of people from Bolton. Obtain B -> GA status for Rochdale, Wigan, Bury, Bolton and Stockport. On top of these aims, some our our top-priority articles need referencing or tidying up, so don't hesitate to dive in! If you think you can help improve an article, be bold and get editing! Although these are the project's explicit short term aims, we endeavour to "improving all Wikipedia articles that are concerned with Greater Manchester", so every edit is valuable. Thanks A big "thank you" goes to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Reminders... Images! There are some good images around, but more are still needed if we're going to get a "lead/static image in every infobox of every town in the county"! The requested photographs category lists some of the articles needing images. Assessment As of 1st November, we have had 100% of our articles assessed for quality! Even so, 75 of our 1708 articles remain unassessed for importance. Please take a look and see what you can do. Articles needing attention Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion and the list of articles needing cleanup are in permanent need of attention. Last but not Least... If you've got a story to go in next month's news letter, leave a note here.

On 7 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Scout Moor Wind Farm, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Victuallers (talk) 16:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-07T16:13:00.000Z","author":"Victuallers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Victuallers-2008-11-07T16:13:00.000Z-DYK_for_Scout_Moor_Wind_Farm","replies":[]}}-->

You may be interested in reading User:Save Western Ohio's comments on Talk:Wind power. I put in a request for attention at Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention#User-reported, as the username appears to be promotional. I did not revert the user's edits to Talk:Wind power or Talk:Wind power/to_do, because first I want to see how the WP:UFAA crew will handle the username itself. --Teratornis (talk) 20:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-13T20:38:00.000Z","author":"Teratornis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Teratornis-2008-11-13T20:38:00.000Z-User:Save_Western_Ohio's_edits_on_Talk:Wind_power","replies":["c-Teratornis-2008-11-15T05:41:00.000Z-Teratornis-2008-11-13T20:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

From User talk:Save Western Ohio we see that an administrator blocked the user indefinitely for making a legal threat. I reverted the mess the user made in Wind power in the United States. I will probably just revert the user's other two changes, because the user did not format them in a way that would make a proper talk page entry, and I would have to reformat the user's entries, which we aren't supposed to do, and wouldn't be fair to a blocked user who could not object. I have looked at some of the wind power opposition Web sites, and they remind me of the literature about Special creationism - just a confused mish-mash of selective facts out of context, or outright falsehoods, strung together into an argument that could only be impressive to people who have already joined their cause out of purely emotional reasons. Such people will typically have a hard time on Wikipedia, because the neutral point of view is alien to them, along with the idea of reading the manuals here before attempting to edit. Almost by definition, wind power opponents are usually to some degree in denial of the scientific consensus regarding global warming, and even more in denial about the emerging consensus regarding peak oil, and thus it is hard to have a productive conversation with them. However, they have some influence on wind power and at some point Wikipedia may want to write an article about the anti-wind-power movement, if it becomes notable. The political tide seems to be turning very strongly toward renewable energy in the United States and elsewere, so I suspect the wind-NIMBYs will find themselves on the wrong side of history. --Teratornis (talk) 05:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-15T05:41:00.000Z","author":"Teratornis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Teratornis-2008-11-15T05:41:00.000Z-Teratornis-2008-11-13T20:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I've been asked by a member to have a look at this. I've made some changes, mainly to formatting and grammar. I know nothing about it really, but just wanted to bring it to your attention in case you did. It needs a fair bit of work, but I'm tied up with other things, as I suspect you are. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-02T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-12-02T18:04:00.000Z-River_Etherow","replies":["c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-12-07T18:26:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-12-02T18:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Radcliffe is getting a GAR right now so I'm waiting on that, but once done I'll have a look at this article. I've got a free week so may well pop over there for a bit of photography, the light at this time of year is excellent - look at this. I think Radcliffe could be a FAC with more work on some of the areas in the talk page. I reckon I can get it there. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-07T18:26:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-12-07T18:26:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-12-02T18:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-12-07T19:27:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-12-07T18:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

I had considered cycling there, a few months back actually, but there isn't really a continuous route and it looks a bit boring, so I'll probably just jump in the car. I do have a hankering to do a 20 mile loop around the reservoirs up on the Snake Pass though. Parrot of Doom (talk) 19:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-07T19:27:00.000Z","author":"Parrot of Doom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-12-07T19:27:00.000Z-Parrot_of_Doom-2008-12-07T18:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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