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Hello, I'm CaroleHenson. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Louise Nevelson, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. There was a sentence added within a block of text in this article, but without a citation or reference: "Also in 1975, she created and installed a large wood sculpture titled Bicentennial Dawn at the new James A. Byrne United States Courthouse in Philadelphia."

Since it appears as if the block is within the following sentence citation I've moved it here to get it resolved. Please let me know if you have any questions about formatting a citation, I would be happy to help if you identify the source.

Do you have a source for this information? Thanks! CaroleHenson (talk) 16:23, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-28T16:23:00.000Z","author":"CaroleHenson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CaroleHenson-2014-02-28T16:23:00.000Z-February_2014","replies":[]}}-->

I found and added a reference, and on that basis undid your edit. Would welcome your formatting the reference better for me. PDGPA (talk) 19:55, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-28T19:55:00.000Z","author":"PDGPA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PDGPA-2014-02-28T19:55:00.000Z-February_2014","replies":["c-CaroleHenson-2014-02-28T21:30:00.000Z-PDGPA-2014-02-28T19:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Great! I just ran Reflinks tool to have it formatted:

1. after entering the url http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Reflinks in your browser, click on "Interactive" tab at the top left

2. enter the article name in the "Page title or url" box

3. click on "Run reflinks"

When it's formatted the link(s). Select "Show preview" and then "Save".--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-28T21:30:00.000Z","author":"CaroleHenson","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CaroleHenson-2014-02-28T21:30:00.000Z-PDGPA-2014-02-28T19:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi. Thank you for your recent contribution to Bwatue. After consideration, I thought it was best to remove it, but I wanted to explain why, and to tell you that if you disagree and want to revert me, that's okay.

Wikipedia doesn't allow links to websites that include material in violation of copyright. See WP:LINKVIO. Including such a link may be considered contributory copyright violation, that is, Wikipedia may be seen as contributing to others' violating the copyright law. Had you added an external link to YouTube, I would have removed it per WP:ELNEVER. But you didn't add a link to YouTube, you merely told readers that they could find an audio recording of "Bwatue" and its b-side on YouTube. That's why I spent some time thinking about what to do.

I would prefer to err on the side of caution, so I removed your addition. If you think I'm being too cautious, we can discuss the issue, here or at Talk:Bwatue, or you can feel free to revert my edit without discussion. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:25, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-05-06T19:25:00.000Z","author":"Malik Shabazz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malik_Shabazz-2017-05-06T19:25:00.000Z-Bwatue","replies":[]}}-->

I have no knowledge of whether the YouTube posts of Phil Ochs' "Bwatue" and its B-side are in violation of anyone's copyright. I would have to assume that if the copyright holder objected to the posts, they would have complained to Google/YouTube, which of course would have resulted in the posts' being blocked or taken down. But I also am not a Wikipedia expert, just an occasional contributor of edits to articles on subjects that interest me. (I am not even the principal author of any articles.) If Wikipedia's copyright policy is stricter and more cautious or conservative than Google/YouTube's, then I would not want to violate it. Personally, as a lawyer (but not a copyright lawyer), I don't see how a factual statement that a YouTube copy exists, without even linking to it, could be held to be a contributory violation, but as I say, I respect Wikipedia's right to have a more conservative policy if it so chooses. Obviously, anyone who reads the Wikipedia article and is curious to hear the cut, is probably bright and energetic enough to find where it is posted and listen to it, without my telling them that they can do so. -- PDGPA (talk) 03:02, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-05-07T03:02:00.000Z","author":"PDGPA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PDGPA-2017-05-07T03:02:00.000Z-Bwatue","replies":[]}}-->

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PDGPA,

I agreed with the gist of what you wrote, but was bothered by the vagueness of the "some critics" stuff. It would be more effective with direct quotes from critics/scholars rather than your summary of their views, especially without a link so sceptics can verify for themselves. It also belongs in separate paragraph (IMHO).

The editor who deleted your additions may be a descendant or fan. I have no dog in this hunt, but even I felt it bordered on a hit job. But some mention of it belongs in the article.

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I took a stab at re-editing per your suggestion (but not in a new paragraph). See what you think.PDGPA (talk) 02:19, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-04T02:19:00.000Z","author":"PDGPA","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PDGPA-2019-02-04T02:19:00.000Z-BoringHistoryGuy-2019-02-04T00:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I am new to this so I'm sorry if I'm making mistakes. Where do I go to explain why it is that I deleted the inaccurate statements about Henry Drinker? Ncfc01 (talk) 20:43, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-07T20:43:00.000Z","author":"Ncfc01","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ncfc01-2019-02-07T20:43:00.000Z-BoringHistoryGuy-2019-02-04T00:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-PDGPA-2019-02-07T20:50:00.000Z-Ncfc01-2019-02-07T20:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

The most appropriate place, I think, would be the Talk Page on the Henry Drinker article. I am very curious to see why you feel that virtual direct quotes from reliable sources are "inaccurate." PDGPA (talk) 20:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-07T20:50:00.000Z","author":"PDGPA","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PDGPA-2019-02-07T20:50:00.000Z-Ncfc01-2019-02-07T20:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I removed "nearly" from "nearly 28 years" on the Babette Josephs page. She served 14 full 2-year terms. It is an oddity / technicality that newly elected officials are sworn in January 1, a full month after they could have been sworn in on December 1. Unless we go back and change the number of years for every official elected to a Pennsylvania state house, I think it is best to leave this at 28 years rather than "nearly" 28 years. Thanks! 67.248.76.2 (talk) 19:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-31T19:50:00.000Z","author":"67.248.76.2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-67.248.76.2-2021-08-31T19:50:00.000Z-28_years","replies":[]}}-->

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@Diannaa Thanks for this helpful advice. I was the editor-contributor for the original, copied material at the source article. As the cited policy states, "If the re-user is the sole contributor of the text at the other page, attribution is not necessary." Not exactly sure what you mean by "attribution," if it is not that; the WP:RS for all material is provided in both articles, and the content is clearly appropriate for each article. What more should I do? PDGPA (talk) 23:47, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220819234700","author":"PDGPA","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PDGPA-20220819234700-Diannaa-20220819220900","replies":["c-Diannaa-20220819235100-PDGPA-20220819234700"]}}-->

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@Diannaa Can I go back and revise an edit summary of a past edit? I was not aware that was possible. Would it be helpful if I did so? How? PDGPA (talk) 23:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220819235600","author":"PDGPA","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PDGPA-20220819235600-Diannaa-20220819235100","replies":["c-Diannaa-20220820000200-PDGPA-20220819235600"]}}-->

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Hi! I saw your PROD of Jefferson Davis: The Man and His Hour. I removed it, because the notability criteria of books allows for this.

Wikipedia:Notability (books) states that one criterion (only one is needed to be notable) is:

• "The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself."

So long as all of those history books have at least two book reviews from reliable sources (not from online blogs, of course), then they all (yes, all) are eligible for having Wikipedia articles (books can be merged into a single article covering a series of books, however). These academic book reviews describe and analyze these books in detail (which is why they confer notability), and not all of them are yet used in The Man and his Hour. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:48, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231231164800","author":"WhisperToMe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WhisperToMe-20231231164800-Notability_of_books","replies":["c-PDGPA-20231231212300-WhisperToMe-20231231164800"]}}-->

@WhisperToMe I was not aware that the standard of "notability" for books was so low. You appear to be correct, but I have to say I find it disappointing that all it takes is two legitimate reviews to make any book eligible for its own article. Surely, that standard would apply to thousands, maybe tens of thousands of books, although only an arbitrary handful would actually have an article written about them. And it seems very likely that those would most often be the product of someone with an axe to grind, if not an undisclosed conflict of interest. (Not implying anything against you, of course.) But so be it; the rule is the rule. PDGPA (talk) 21:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231231212300","author":"PDGPA","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PDGPA-20231231212300-WhisperToMe-20231231164800","replies":["c-WhisperToMe-20231231213600-PDGPA-20231231212300"]}}-->

The good news is that, from my observations, the vast majority of academic book reviews are generally positive (they might point out some minor errors or minor flaws, but otherwise be overall positive). Therefore, it shouldn't be common for a tone of an academic book article to be overall negative. If the thrust of an article is negative, then usually there can be more scrutiny on the article and what it used as sources. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:36, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231231213600","author":"WhisperToMe","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-WhisperToMe-20231231213600-PDGPA-20231231212300","replies":[]}}-->

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