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Hello, I'm Gleeanon409. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. Gleeanon409 (talk) 01:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-03T01:55:00.000Z","author":"Gleeanon409","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gleeanon409-2020-04-03T01:55:00.000Z-April_2020","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-04-04T02:44:00.000Z-Gleeanon409-2020-04-03T01:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

They may not appear "constructive" to you, but are nevertheless useful for other readers. Normchou (talk) 02:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-04T02:44:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-04-04T02:44:00.000Z-Gleeanon409-2020-04-03T01:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I think you made a mistake on Di Dongsheng, Biden is not president until he is sworn in mid January 2020, so its wrong to say he is president. And the website is moreso People's republic of china run than chinese nationalism run. --2001:8003:59DB:4100:5805:5A75:B1F:7FF7 (talk) 01:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-14T01:09:00.000Z","author":"2001:8003:59DB:4100:5805:5A75:B1F:7FF7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2001:8003:59DB:4100:5805:5A75:B1F:7FF7-2020-12-14T01:09:00.000Z-Di_Dongsheng","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-14T04:22:00.000Z-2001:8003:59DB:4100:5805:5A75:B1F:7FF7-2020-12-14T01:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

It was already stated that Biden would be the incoming president. Also, the website has various attributes including its association with Chinese nationalism. Normchou (talk) 04:22, 14 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-14T04:22:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-14T04:22:00.000Z-2001:8003:59DB:4100:5805:5A75:B1F:7FF7-2020-12-14T01:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence User talk:Amigao. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. In reference to this CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T20:13:00.000Z","author":"CaradhrasAiguo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T20:13:00.000Z-December_2020","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-16T20:23:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T20:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

@CaradhrasAiguo: Per Wikipedia:Canvassing, in general it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus. Inappropriate notification includes mass posting, campaigning, votestacking or stealth canvassing, none of which applies in this case. Please understand community policies fully before posting on others' talk pages. Normchou (talk) 20:23, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T20:23:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-16T20:23:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T20:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T20:30:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-16T20:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

1) You had stated I really appreciate your valuable contributions, which can reasonably be construed as an endorsement (any non-neutral discussion notification is by definition a violation of the canvassing policy); 2) You had not notified other participants in the prior WP:RS/N discussion nor posted at any of the relevant WikiProjects (WP:WPMEDIA, WP:CHINA, WP:HONGKONG, WP:TAIWAN, etc) CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T20:30:00.000Z","author":"CaradhrasAiguo","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T20:30:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-16T20:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-16T20:51:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T20:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

@CaradhrasAiguo: Per Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view, there is no indication that showing personal appreciation for community contributions on a user's talk page shall be construed as a violation of neutrality when editing encyclopedic content or an endorsement in relation to the separate notification of a specific discussion, unless one has a very biased reading of "neutrality" in the first place. Re "you haven't notified other participants," the discussion was created merely a while ago; a "no canvassing" warning made in good faith per Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith would reasonably be warranted only after a certain period of time has passed to see if no additional participants are notified. Unfortunately, your posting above shows neither a good understanding of neutrality nor good faith. Normchou (talk) 20:51, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T20:51:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-16T20:51:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T20:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T21:30:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-16T20:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

This is just an incomprehensible word salad of policies. particularly ridiculous in that WP:NPOV is an article content policy only: it pertains to article content (or lack thereof in the case of undue omission), not personal assessments of other editors.

Drop the the discussion was created merely a while ago lard: WP:RS/N is heavily trafficked, you would have been better off not notifying any individual editors at all. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 21:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T21:30:00.000Z","author":"CaradhrasAiguo","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T21:30:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-16T20:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-16T21:48:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T21:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

@CaradhrasAiguo: Indeed, WP:CIR when you casually type up a word such as "neutral" without even thinking about its meaning, whereas the precise definition of that word with regard to community policy is only provided at WP:NPOV. But good luck with your endeavor of making up your own rules while acting as the police. Normchou (talk) 21:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T21:48:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-16T21:48:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T21:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T21:54:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-16T21:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

You were the one who first cited NPOV policy here, you were the one to raise insinuations against Xinhua (despite there having been a very recently concluded RfC), and you were the one who chose to notify anybody rather than trust that WP:RS/N is well-tended to. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 21:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T21:54:00.000Z","author":"CaradhrasAiguo","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T21:54:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-16T21:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:04:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T21:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

@CaradhrasAiguo: This is so funny. Anyone could use Ctrl+F on this page and type in "neutral" or "neutral point of view" to see who was the one that cited WP:NPOV first. Normchou (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T22:04:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:04:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T21:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Chang'e 5; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. In particular, these two edit summaries (1 2) that include a false accusation of vandalism are unacceptable CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 22:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T22:00:00.000Z","author":"CaradhrasAiguo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:00:00.000Z-December_2020","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:04:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

@CaradhrasAiguo: Okay you lost me. Smh. Normchou (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T22:04:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:04:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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@Diannaa: Thanks for the heads up. Will pay attention to this issue when making edits in the future. Normchou (talk) 15:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-17T15:57:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-17T15:57:00.000Z-Diannaa-2020-12-17T14:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi and thanks! While reviewing the synth, there's the "Tourism" section also. Here's the first edit there, which was reedited contrary to RS and author here. Then, it was deleted here by same editor but the edit is fully relevant to the topic in the first paragraph, on 2012 investments in "prosperous model villages". The RS calls them "fake Tibetan 'model villages' ", and is a valid style of review often used in architectural projects in the west, among the RS's other attributes. Thoughts? (I'll copy some info from here to the talk there.) Pasdecomplot (talk) 13:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-19T13:16:00.000Z","author":"Pasdecomplot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pasdecomplot-2020-12-19T13:16:00.000Z-Nyingchi_\"Tourism\"","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Pasdecomplot: If you look at the latest revision, I did a little write-up on the fake "model villages" in Nyingchi. Warren Smith seems to be reviewing Tsering Woeser's writings for Radio Free Asia regarding this part. I have found the source (a pdf file) and included it in my write-up. Please review it and see if there is something valuable. Normchou ^💬 13:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-19T13:34:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-19T13:34:00.000Z-Nyingchi_\"Tourism\"","replies":["c-Pasdecomplot-2020-12-19T14:04:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-19T13:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks. The synth uses a different source, so now we have two sources on the edits. I blended the text. Pasdecomplot (talk) 14:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-19T14:04:00.000Z","author":"Pasdecomplot","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pasdecomplot-2020-12-19T14:04:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-19T13:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Normchou reported by User:CaradhrasAiguo (Result: ). Thank you. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 22:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T22:02:00.000Z","author":"CaradhrasAiguo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:02:00.000Z-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:12:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:02:00.000Z","c-Normchou-2020-12-19T02:19:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:02:00.000Z","c-Normchou-2020-12-21T23:29:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please see User_talk:Normchou#December_2020, [1] for my conversation with @CaradhrasAiguo: who created this report. I believe this act of that user was done in bad faith. Normchou (talk) 22:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T22:12:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:12:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-EdJohnston-2020-12-16T22:18:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello User:Normchou. It appears that you have broken WP:3RR on this article. As an admin, I would like to avoid a block but you seem like someone who is very sure you are correct and is not easy to persuade. So I am wondering if it is worth the effort. If you would respond to the complaint and offer to wait for consensus before reverting again, you might be able to avoid a block. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 22:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T22:18:00.000Z","author":"EdJohnston","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-EdJohnston-2020-12-16T22:18:00.000Z-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:27:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2020-12-16T22:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

@EdJohnston: Thanks for the heads up. I have added my response to that complaint. Normchou (talk) 22:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-16T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-16T22:27:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2020-12-16T22:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

It's unclear if there is really an edit war[2] The admin above has made the right call regarding what I believe is a frivolous report made in bad faith and suspected of Wikipedia:Wikilawyering and Wikipedia:WikiBullying. Normchou (talk) 02:19, 19 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-19T02:19:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-19T02:19:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Update: The user who filed this frivolous report against me, CaradhrasAiguo, turned out to be a sockpuppet of "Lieutenant of Melkor" [3], who was blocked five years ago for "continued trolling, bullying, insulting, and edit warring" [4]. Normchou (talk) 23:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-21T23:29:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-21T23:29:00.000Z-CaradhrasAiguo-2020-12-16T22:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The edits made were in consensus with all previous and future Olympic articles, controversy belongs to the controversy subsection. You gave no explanation why the 2022 games are an exception to this. Do not make anymore reverts. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stonksboi (talk • contribs) 06:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-22T06:23:00.000Z","author":"Stonksboi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stonksboi-2020-12-22T06:23:00.000Z-2022_Winter_Olympics_Controversy","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-22T15:10:00.000Z-Stonksboi-2020-12-22T06:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Stonksboi: See Talk:2022 Winter Olympics#Iffy edits. It's not just about re-arranging the content. The onus is on you to demonstrate the stuff you add is supported by reliable sources WP:PROVEIT, or else you are just making it up. Normchou ^💬 15:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-22T15:10:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-22T15:10:00.000Z-Stonksboi-2020-12-22T06:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. LemonadeDrinker (talk) 19:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-22T19:12:00.000Z","author":"LemonadeDrinker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LemonadeDrinker-2020-12-22T19:12:00.000Z-Subsection","replies":["c-Normchou-2020-12-22T19:41:00.000Z-LemonadeDrinker-2020-12-22T19:12:00.000Z","c-Normchou-2020-12-22T20:52:00.000Z-LemonadeDrinker-2020-12-22T19:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

@LemonadeDrinker: Duly noted. Thanks for the heads up. Normchou ^💬 19:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-22T19:41:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-22T19:41:00.000Z-LemonadeDrinker-2020-12-22T19:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just commented on your speculative piece. It appears you created the LemonadeDrinker account today [5] for the sole purpose of making these speculations against me. Normchou ^💬 20:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-22T20:52:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-22T20:52:00.000Z-LemonadeDrinker-2020-12-22T19:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Normchou ^💬 21:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-24T21:22:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Normchou-2020-12-24T21:22:00.000Z-Subsection","replies":[]}}-->

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Australia–China relations, you may be blocked from editing.

All my edits are according to the existing source. If you disagree with any contents, open a specific section in the talk page. Do no leave disruptive message on other's personal page either.TranscendentMe (talk) 20:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-23T20:26:00.000Z","author":"TranscendentMe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TranscendentMe-2020-12-23T20:26:00.000Z-Dec_2020","replies":[]}}-->

Normchou ^💬 18:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-02T18:56:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Normchou-2021-01-02T18:56:00.000Z-Dec_2020","replies":[]}}-->

15:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Normchou. Speedy deletion work is important and I do appreciate the effort. I would just ask that you please review the criteria carefully because accuracy is also important. On that issue, I have declined your speedy deletion nomination of 2011 Nanchang mass suicide protest as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax under CSD G3. That criterion did not apply because the event is not a blatant hoax. Techie3 (talk) 08:28, 14 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-14T08:28:00.000Z","author":"Techie3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Techie3-2021-01-14T08:28:00.000Z-Declined_speedy_deletion_nomination_of_2011_Nanchang_mass_suicide_protest","replies":["c-Normchou-2021-01-14T08:35:00.000Z-Techie3-2021-01-14T08:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for letting me know it, although I do think you've made a mistake by saying it is not a blatant hoax. The title of the article clearly says this event was based on "mass suicide", but there is no evidence this was the case if you trace the reliable sources (if any). I will propose via another channel the deletion of this article. Normchou ^💬 08:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-14T08:35:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2021-01-14T08:35:00.000Z-Techie3-2021-01-14T08:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Techie3-2021-01-14T08:59:00.000Z-Normchou-2021-01-14T08:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

The key word for declining is blatant. I do not think that the event is an blatant/obvious hoax, but I have no opinion about if this event is a hoax. Send it to WP:AFD for further discussion. Techie3 (talk) 08:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-14T08:59:00.000Z","author":"Techie3","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Techie3-2021-01-14T08:59:00.000Z-Normchou-2021-01-14T08:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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18:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Normchou, I've taken an administrative action on the basis of this ANI discussion. You may not edit or discuss articles, talk pages, or other content relating to Covid-19, broadly construed, for 90 days, lasting until April 26, 2021. This should be considered a community-imposed topic ban, so any appeals should be made at WP:AN not to me directly. If you have clarification questions, feel free to ask on my talk page.

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Normchou ^💬 19:39, 26 January 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-26T19:39:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Normchou-2021-01-26T19:39:00.000Z-Notice_of_topic_ban","replies":[]}}-->

What do you think? 27.104.203.24 (talk) 15:55, 1 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-01T15:55:00.000Z","author":"27.104.203.24","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-27.104.203.24-2021-02-01T15:55:00.000Z-I_think_there_should_be_vote_on_the_Talkpage_before_any_drastic_move_on_the_cont","replies":["c-Normchou-2021-02-01T15:59:00.000Z-27.104.203.24-2021-02-01T15:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi 27.104.203.24: I think the talk page is sufficient, but if you really want a "vote", you might consider initiating a WP:RFC. Normchou ^💬 15:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-01T15:59:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2021-02-01T15:59:00.000Z-27.104.203.24-2021-02-01T15:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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You may be interested in ongoing discussion about WP:MEDRS abuse here: Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine)#Primary_sources_usage.--AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 18:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-25T18:34:00.000Z","author":"Alexander Davronov","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alexander_Davronov-2021-03-25T18:34:00.000Z-WP:MEDRS","replies":["c-Normchou-2021-03-25T18:52:00.000Z-Alexander_Davronov-2021-03-25T18:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"AXONOV"}}-->

Hi Alexander_Davronov: Thanks for the heads up, but I cannot comment on this issue due to an active TBAN that is related to this topic. I have posted a similar argument on RSN before, which you might have seen already, and I believe there might be something useful in it to address some editors' seemingly logic but incorrect rationale. Normchou ^💬 18:52, 25 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-25T18:52:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2021-03-25T18:52:00.000Z-Alexander_Davronov-2021-03-25T18:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Alexander_Davronov-2021-03-26T20:03:00.000Z-Normchou-2021-03-25T18:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Normchou: You are not barred from expressing your opinion on policy (Assuming that you don't mention COVID-19 alongside). Anyway, I suggest you to put it on your watchlist. Cheers. --AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 20:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-26T20:03:00.000Z","author":"Alexander Davronov","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Alexander_Davronov-2021-03-26T20:03:00.000Z-Normchou-2021-03-25T18:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"AXONOV"}}-->

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21:23, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Normchou. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

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Thanks! Normchou ^💬 17:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-01T17:47:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2021-05-01T17:47:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2021-05-01T17:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Please stop adding weasel words and "scare tactics" into this article without discussing on the talk page. Wording like "seemed to" is virtually never appropriate in Wikipedia for the reasons stated in the linked guideline from the Manual of Style. Furthermore, words like "surmised" are less NPOV than words like "expected" or "assumed" even. Furthermore, you've been reverted now by two different editors - it is time for you to discuss on the talkpage if you really think that wording is appropriate. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 03:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-29T03:11:00.000Z","author":"Berchanhimez","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Berchanhimez-2021-05-29T03:11:00.000Z-Investigations_into_the_origin_of_COVID-19","replies":["c-Berchanhimez-2021-05-29T03:14:00.000Z-Berchanhimez-2021-05-29T03:11:00.000Z"],"displayName":"User"}}-->

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20:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, after this interesting statement it would be good if you make a comment to this proposal at RFC. I think this need more clarification. Thank you--Empiricus-sextus (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-08T15:01:00.000Z","author":"Empiricus-sextus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Empiricus-sextus-2021-06-08T15:01:00.000Z-Differentiation_of_medical_(bioinformation)_and_non-medical_information_(no-bioi","replies":["c-Normchou-2021-06-08T18:55:00.000Z-Empiricus-sextus-2021-06-08T15:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for the information, Empiricus-sextus. I already planned to make a comment regarding this issue. Normchou ^💬 18:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-08T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Normchou","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Normchou-2021-06-08T18:55:00.000Z-Empiricus-sextus-2021-06-08T15:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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