User talk:Netherzone

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Just FYI I found that the NOAA produced maps of "geothermal resources" to go with that 1980 report we use a lot. The good people of University of Nevada Reno scanned them and I grabbed them all and put them here:

Commons:Category:Maps of geothermal resources of the United States

I think it includes all the states in the continental U.S. north and west of Texas, except possibly South Dakota (which may well be out there somewhere). Most are in PDF format but I think can convert to jpg and/or png if need be, just let me know which ones.

I think/hope they should be citable sources if they have any info that isn't already in the report; I cited the California one in one place already as <ref name="CAgeothermmap-1980">{{Cite map |last1=Higgins |first1=Chris T. |last2=Therberge |last3=Ikelman |first2=Albert E. Jr. |first3=Joy A. |title=Geothermal Resources of California |url=https://data.nbmg.unr.edu/public/Geothermal/GreyLiterature/GeothermalResources_California_1980_R.pdf |date=1980 |publisher=California Department of Mines and Geology |publication-place=Sacramento |others=NOAA National Geophysical Center}}</ref>

I can't really figure out the name of the original report or repository these came from so just leaning on the unr.edu for now. Cheers, jengod (talk) 04:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240225044800","author":"Jengod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jengod-20240225044800-\"Geothermal_resources\"_maps","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240225160900-Jengod-20240225044800"]}}-->

Hi @Jengod, thanks for your note. How wonderful that you uploaded scans of the maps! I've got a copy of the paper maps from along with the 1980 hardcopy of the report Thermal springs list for the United States (1980) By Berry, George W. ; Grim, P. J. (Paul J.) ; Ikelman, Joy A.

Because I travel alot and live between two states in two different regions of the country, I seldom travel with the paper copies, instead I use a pdf. You can download the entire .pdf of the book here: [1] but it doesn't include the maps. Thanks again for uploading this excellent resource for hot springs! Netherzone (talk) 16:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240225160900","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240225160900-Jengod-20240225044800","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240225161900-Netherzone-20240225160900"]}}-->

I just took a moment to look on Commons, and those are different than the maps than the ones I have. This is a superb new resource, Jen. Thanks again. Netherzone (talk) 16:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240225161900","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240225161900-Netherzone-20240225160900","replies":[]}}-->

You've got mail-- I know you're busy right now but I just wanted to make sure you know. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602012600","author":"Moneytrees","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moneytrees-20240602012600-ygm","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240602031200-Moneytrees-20240602012600"],"displayName":"Moneytrees\ud83c\udfdd\ufe0f"}}-->

Thank you @Moneytrees, I will respond tomorrow. Netherzone (talk) 03:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602031200","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240602031200-Moneytrees-20240602012600","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240602223500-Netherzone-20240602031200"]}}-->

@Moneytrees, please check your email...you've got mail. Netherzone (talk) 22:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602223500","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240602223500-Netherzone-20240602031200","replies":[]}}-->

You mentioned that Pueblo pottery has been considered as a potential GA candidate in the past. I have a decent amount of GA experience from both sides of the table and have appreciated my interactions with you recently, so I'd be happy to walk you through a review on such a solid article. There's been something of a renaissance regarding Indigenous American culture on Wikipedia over the last couple years, meaning I'm fairly confident that any gaps/concerns that arise would draw support from the handful of other editors in that subject area. If you wind up nominating Pueblo pottery now or later, please ping me and I'll pick up the review. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240620151000","author":"Pbritti","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pbritti-20240620151000-RE:_Pueblo_pottery","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240620151700-Pbritti-20240620151000"]}}-->

Thank you so much for this, it really made my day! I do think it is the best work I've done for WP, and spent a lot of time researching the subject. It was my "pandemic project"; I ordered a bunch of books and hunkered down in the house to work on it. In the next day or two I will read up on GA's and what the expectations and process involves. If I decide to nominate it, I will definitely ping you. Thanks again. Netherzone (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240620151700","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240620151700-Pbritti-20240620151000","replies":["c-Pbritti-20240620153100-Netherzone-20240620151700"]}}-->

Of course! My pandemic projects were a handful of CO ghost towns and the various Book of Common Prayer articles (I've almost wrapped those up!). I happen to presently live in Arlington, Virginia. If additional images or sources are required, they have a lot of material available at the NMAI in DC. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240620153100","author":"Pbritti","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pbritti-20240620153100-Netherzone-20240620151700","replies":[]}}-->

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No rush at all. Star Mississippi 15:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240627153900","author":"Star Mississippi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Star_Mississippi-20240627153900-Ping_pong","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240627163400-Star_Mississippi-20240627153900"],"displayName":"Star"}}-->

Nice to hear from you! Replied. Netherzone (talk) 16:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240627163400","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240627163400-Star_Mississippi-20240627153900","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240628011100-Netherzone-20240627163400"]}}-->

WOW, that photo! Stellar! Netherzone (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240628011100","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240628011100-Netherzone-20240627163400","replies":[]}}-->

story · music · places

Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! - and a sunset if you click on places -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240807153300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240807153300-August_music","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240807153700-Gerda_Arendt-20240807153300"]}}-->

Oh wow, can't wait to read this one - love that photo of him at work. Beautiful photo to the right as well, will check out your other pix soon. Netherzone (talk) 15:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240807153700","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240807153700-Gerda_Arendt-20240807153300","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240808143500-Netherzone-20240807153700","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240813125800-Netherzone-20240807153700","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240815204300-Netherzone-20240807153700","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240827102500-Netherzone-20240807153700"]}}-->

thank you, ... and a third, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240808143500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240808143500-Netherzone-20240807153700","replies":[]}}-->

On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240813125800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240813125800-Netherzone-20240807153700","replies":[]}}-->

Today's story is about education, 10 years OTD after lecturing our founder. Music for today's feast is Monteverdi's, the best concert we ever did (so pictured again on my talk). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240815204300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240815204300-Netherzone-20240807153700","replies":[]}}-->

Help? My story today is about a woman, nominated for RD but needing support as I write this. A composer died whose article is long and mostly unreferenced. And some articles open for review, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827102500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240827102500-Netherzone-20240807153700","replies":[]}}-->

Check it out. Left guide (talk) 08:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240812082600","author":"Left guide","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Left_guide-20240812082600-A_barnstar_for_you","replies":["c-ARoseWolf-20240812110500-Left_guide-20240812082600"]}}-->

Much deserved. --ARoseWolf 11:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240812110500","author":"ARoseWolf","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ARoseWolf-20240812110500-Left_guide-20240812082600","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240812181900-ARoseWolf-20240812110500"],"displayName":"ARose"}}-->

@Left guide, @ARoseWolf, Thank you both very much, I really appreciate the barnstar. I'm still feeling worn out from the years-long energy drain. Receiving this shiny star is a pick-me-up! Netherzone (talk) 18:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240812181900","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240812181900-ARoseWolf-20240812110500","replies":[]}}-->

I know you prefer this term, but WP:WALLEDGARDEN is "a set of pages or articles that link to each other, but do not have any links to or from anything outside the group", which does not describe most articles by Henderson. Thus when you and others accuse him of this, he is rightly confused as to what the heck you are talking about. -- GreenC 19:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820193700","author":"GreenC","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GreenC-20240820193700-Walled_Garden","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240820203700-GreenC-20240820193700"],"displayName":"Green"}}-->

Hi GreenC, thanks for your note about your concern. You know that I have a lot of respect for you and what you do for the encyclopedia, but see the matter at hand through a different lens. Respectfully, I don't believe I am the first, and certainly not the only editor or admin to have used that term to describe the problematics of this long-term case, or other similar cases for that matter. I have to disagree with this part of your message: he is rightly confused as to what the heck you are talking about. While the case may not fit the exact word for word Wiki-definition of walled garden in the essay you linked (it does have a meaning outside of WP), the problematics were explained to the editor dozens of times. I don't think Mr. Henderson is or was "confused as heck" at all, rather that he just did not want to listen to what the community was advising - for years. Out of deference to your experience, I will try to find other words to use. Netherzone (talk) 20:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820203700","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240820203700-GreenC-20240820193700","replies":["c-GreenC-20240821041700-Netherzone-20240820203700"]}}-->

I've joined the task force and will follow up there. -- GreenC 04:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240821041700","author":"GreenC","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GreenC-20240821041700-Netherzone-20240820203700","replies":[],"displayName":"Green"}}-->

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Puncinus (talk) 00:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824005300","author":"Puncinus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Puncinus-20240824005300-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Netherzone, I removed his comments at Talk:Edward G. Kuster due to WP:block evasion. If you disagree, you can restore them. At some point he needs to understand he, the person, regardless of the account/IP is not welcome here at least for the next year. I don't know if you saw this on his talk page, but his ability to email was also disabled because he emailed me after I declined a draft wanting me to reconsider. S0091 (talk) 19:00, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829190000","author":"S0091","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-S0091-20240829190000-Greg_block_evasion","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240829194800-S0091-20240829190000"]}}-->

Thanks for the heads up @S0091. I had noticed the LOUT socking because two redirects to the Kuster article were undone by another editor (who I'm sure was unaware of the long-term issues). I'm not sure if the reverts to the redirects occurred before or after the LOUT activity.

I will keep an eye out for other forms of gaming the system. He certainly is persistent! Netherzone (talk) 19:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829194800","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240829194800-S0091-20240829190000","replies":["c-S0091-20240829195600-Netherzone-20240829194800","c-Left_guide-20240829204200-Netherzone-20240829194800"]}}-->

It's one the worst cases of WP:IDHT I've seen and sad (and annoying) but it's clear he really does not get it. You and others tried until there was no choice but to bring it to the community, yet again. Fingers crossed he will get it at some point in the not too distant future. S0091 (talk) 19:56, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829195600","author":"S0091","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-S0091-20240829195600-Netherzone-20240829194800","replies":["c-Timtrent-20240830124300-S0091-20240829195600"]}}-->

@S0091 I have formed an opinion which the policies here prevent my expressing (because it may be incorrect and thus problematic for other reasons) based upon I will not hear that, rather than IDHT. My private opinion suggests to me that there is unlikely to be a correction of his path. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830124300","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Timtrent-20240830124300-S0091-20240829195600","replies":[],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

Netherzone, I've reverted the apparent WP:PROXYING by banned user Greghenderson2006. The timing is simply way too suspicious, the first article restoration occurred a mere 8 minutes after the first post by the ban-evading IP. Left guide (talk) 20:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829204200","author":"Left guide","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Left_guide-20240829204200-Netherzone-20240829194800","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240829213200-Left_guide-20240829204200"]}}-->

Yes, it was apparent the editor who did the reverts must have read the first message the IP posted (the one I copied below the second message along with an unsigned|IP template) I think the editor who responded by undoing my two redirects (of Theatre of the Golden Bough and Golden Bough Playhouse (I think I had redirected both to Kuster), did so in good faith, not knowing about the ongoing problems. I left them a note on their talk page. The second IP post looks like a "thank you" to the reversion of redirects. Bingo! Editing by proxy to an editor unfamiliar with the case .... exactly what was happening at AfC and NPP. Anyway you look at it, it's quite clear that it's logged-out block evasion. I feel certain that GentlemanGhost acted in good faith and did not understand it was a LOUTsock. Netherzone (talk) 21:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829213200","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240829213200-Left_guide-20240829204200","replies":["c-Timtrent-20240830124000-Netherzone-20240829213200"]}}-->

Has the appeal period been reset again? I believe that is almost certainly the sole thing that will claim his attention. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830124000","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Timtrent-20240830124000-Netherzone-20240829213200","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240830131100-Timtrent-20240830124000"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

Yes, Just Step Sideways (Beeblebrox) said he was taking care of it.User talk:Greghenderson2006#Block evasion -- It's really disappointing and sad that the editor is having such trouble understanding the terms of the site block. More time wasted all the way around. Netherzone (talk) 13:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830131100","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240830131100-Timtrent-20240830124000","replies":["c-Timtrent-20240830131400-Netherzone-20240830131100"]}}-->

See my note above, which I am unable to expand upon, even were you to email me I could not do so. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830131400","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Timtrent-20240830131400-Netherzone-20240830131100","replies":["c-Netherzone-20240830211000-Timtrent-20240830131400"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

@Timtrent, enough dots are now connected that I believe I understand what you mean. I had not previously considered what I think you are implying. Sadly, I agree that correction or reversal is unlikely. Sigh... Netherzone (talk) 21:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830211000","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Netherzone-20240830211000-Timtrent-20240830131400","replies":["c-Timtrent-20240830214100-Netherzone-20240830211000"]}}-->

I am afraid that we have to deal with the consequences because I can no longer see that the behaviour will alter. We need to stop equine necrophilia, and simply get on with it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830214100","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Timtrent-20240830214100-Netherzone-20240830211000","replies":[],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->