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Mike, I created a category on commons for wheelchair basketball player Annabelle Lindsay (you would call her Q42665770) (c:Category:Annabelle Lindsay) and tried to add a {{Wikidata Infobox}} template to the page. It doesn't work; it says Wikidata ID not found. A search on Wikidata does find it, so I don't know what is wrong. Wikidata doesn't provide a mechanism for linking pages on Commons. Your assistance would be appreciated. Hawkeye7(discuss)06:54, 1 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-01T06:54:00.000Z","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-2019-12-01T06:54:00.000Z-Wikidata_-_Aaargh","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-01T08:28:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2019-12-01T06:54:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Hawkeye7: You needed to add the sitelink to commons under 'other sites' like this - the infobox now works. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:28, 1 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-01T08:28:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-01T08:28:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2019-12-01T06:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hawkeye7-2019-12-02T19:36:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-12-01T08:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for that! Hawkeye7(discuss)19:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-02T19:36:00.000Z","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-2019-12-02T19:36:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-12-01T08:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Why did you create a new category when that means that the existing category (Category:John_Norman) contains no images now and won't in the foreseeable future -- only the new category as its sole subcategory?? It may satisfy some abstract sense of symmetry on your part, but it means that your addition has not provided any usefulness in categorizing images, which is actually the purpose of categories on Commons... AnonMoos (talk) 04:20, 6 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-06T04:20:00.000Z","author":"AnonMoos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AnonMoos-2019-12-06T04:20:00.000Z-Commons_Category:Gor_novels","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-06T11:14:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2019-12-06T04:20:00.000Z"]}}-->
I've replied at commons:User_talk:Mike Peel. Thanks. 11:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-06T11:14:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-06T11:14:00.000Z-AnonMoos-2019-12-06T04:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi Mike. Do you have any idea why the infobox in article TRAPPIST displays [List of observatory codes#I40 I40] rather than I40? I can't spot the problem. The corresponding Wikidata page seems fine. Rfassbind– talk04:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-17T04:33:00.000Z","author":"Rfassbind","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rfassbind-2019-12-17T04:33:00.000Z-Wikidata_Observatory_Code","replies":["c-Jonesey95-2019-12-17T04:41:00.000Z-Rfassbind-2019-12-17T04:33:00.000Z"]}}-->
Liverpool Telescope is doing the same thing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:41, 17 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-17T04:41:00.000Z","author":"Jonesey95","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jonesey95-2019-12-17T04:41:00.000Z-Rfassbind-2019-12-17T04:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jonesey95-2019-12-17T04:54:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2019-12-17T04:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
(talk page stalker) I believe that I have fixed this problem by copying the working linking code from {{Infobox observatory}} to {{Infobox telescope}}. Affected pages may need a null edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-17T04:54:00.000Z","author":"Jonesey95","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jonesey95-2019-12-17T04:54:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2019-12-17T04:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-17T06:16:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2019-12-17T04:54:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Jonesey95 and Rfassbind: Thanks for fixing this before I even saw the issue. :-) Looks good to me now, sorry for forgetting that this bit of code was in the telescope infobox as well as the observatory one. (and hi from #954!) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-17T06:16:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-17T06:16:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2019-12-17T04:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Commons:Category:Testudines seems perfectly sensible. Perhaps I am missing something? Sun Creator(talk)20:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-17T20:16:00.000Z","author":"Sun Creator","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sun_Creator-2019-12-17T20:16:00.000Z-Could_you_clarify","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-17T21:30:00.000Z-Sun_Creator-2019-12-17T20:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Sun\u00a0Creator"}}-->
@Sun Creator: Hmm, I think you're right, sorry. It had the same commons category as Category:Turtles - but that one needed changing to commons:Category:Turtles rather than removing the one in Category:Testudines, I think. How does that look now? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:30, 17 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-17T21:30:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-17T21:30:00.000Z-Sun_Creator-2019-12-17T20:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sun_Creator-2019-12-17T22:09:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-12-17T21:30:00.000Z"]}}-->
Fine with me. I imagine the issue stems from an almost ambiguous overlap of Commons:Category:Testudines and Commons:Category:Turtles to the point that you can't tell which category an item might be sorted. I've thought that a redirect from common name to nomenclature name as is done with Commons:Category:Human to Commons:Category:Homo sapiens might be in order, however I'm not confident enough about commons to know if that is appropriate way to go. Sun Creator(talk)22:09, 17 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-17T22:09:00.000Z","author":"Sun Creator","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sun_Creator-2019-12-17T22:09:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-12-17T21:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-17T22:11:00.000Z-Sun_Creator-2019-12-17T22:09:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Sun\u00a0Creator"}}-->
Perhaps - but if there is a difference between the Category:Testudines and Category:Turtles categories here, that probably means that a distinction also needs to be made on Commons? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:11, 17 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-17T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-17T22:11:00.000Z-Sun_Creator-2019-12-17T22:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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I've noticed connecting my new aricles on minerals with Wikidata. Thank you for your work. I am very glad to see a good work here, which is somewhat different to what I saw (a misunderstanding, in general) when I first edited/added mineralogy-related papers at least 1 year ago. Cheers! Eudialytos (talk) 13:13, 24 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-24T13:13:00.000Z","author":"Eudialytos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eudialytos-2019-12-24T13:13:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_your_work","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-24T14:10:00.000Z-Eudialytos-2019-12-24T13:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Eudialytos: Thanks for writing the articles! I'm using the {{Commonscat}} template to find matching Commons categories/Wikidata entries, so if you can keep adding that to your articles then I'll continue matching them in the future. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-24T14:10:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-24T14:10:00.000Z-Eudialytos-2019-12-24T13:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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I wish to question to your change of Lavoir from category from "Category:Wash houses in France by department" to "Category:Wash houses"
Perhaps you should have added "Category:Wash houses" instead of changing ...
Why ?
cf. "Category:Laundry places" which includes a similar "Baths and wash houses in Britain"
and let's not forget that since the word lavoir originates in French, readers may also come here specifically to find out about French lavoirs
Can we please take this discussion offline by message exchange ?
Otherwise I shall feel like undo is the solution (which is of course an equally questionable action) :)
Thank you
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@Jwikip: "in France by Department" seems to me to be a bit random - it's better to point people to the main category and let them find what they want within its subcategories. It's also better to have one commons link rather than two. In this particular example I'd look at fr:Lavoir (bassin public) - which only points to "Category:Wash houses". Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:35, 26 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-26T20:35:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-26T20:35:00.000Z-Jwikip-2019-12-26T20:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hi,
with the IAU's newly founded Office of Astronomy for Education, we're thinking about having an Astronomy Edit-a-thon at Haus der Astronomie in Heidelberg, hopefully with a mix of astronomers, astronomy educators and astronomy-experienced Wikipedia editors. (We have a budget to bring a mix of interested people to Haus der Astronomy for a week, for instance.) Target of the Edit-a-thon would be to bring up to date, and improve at least to good article level, a set of basic lemmas related to astronomy, based on the Big Ideas in Astronomy collection of astronomy literacy. I noticed your name when I browsed WP pages, trying to get an idea of who was active in astronomy, and who was active in organising Edit-a-thons, and your name popped up in both – I also seem to remember that we interacted when I was bringing general relativity. Is this international astronomy edit-a-thon something you might want to become involved in? We're in the early planning phase, and having someone with your experience on board would be a great advantage.
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@Markus Pössel: Hi Markus, that sounds like a great idea! I'd be happy to help in any way I can, whether that's remote, in-person, and/or involved in the organisation of it, whatever is helpful. Let me know if you want to email/Skype about it and I'll send you a message off-wiki. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:23, 26 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-26T08:23:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-26T08:23:00.000Z-Markus_P\u00f6ssel-2019-12-25T22:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Markus_P\u00f6ssel-2019-12-26T11:33:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-12-26T08:23:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Mike Peel: Hi Mike, let's take this to e-mail then - you can find an e-mail that reaches me on the OAE page I linked above, and since IAC doesn't list your direct e-mail, yes, please send me a message off-wiki, and we can talk further! Markus Pössel (talk) 11:33, 26 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-26T11:33:00.000Z","author":"Markus P\u00f6ssel","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Markus_P\u00f6ssel-2019-12-26T11:33:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-12-26T08:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-27T09:57:00.000Z-Markus_P\u00f6ssel-2019-12-26T11:33:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Markus Pössel: Email sent. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-12-27T09:57:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-12-27T09:57:00.000Z-Markus_P\u00f6ssel-2019-12-26T11:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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The revised version of the very powerful PetScan offers to edit or create items based on Wikipedia categories, search, SPARQL, links with filters by label or properties
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New tool: Dwynwen, adapted from Crotos, provides users with a search interface designed specifically for artworks and other visual digital content from Commons, using Wikidata.
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A request for comment asks whether partial blocks should be enabled on the English Wikipedia. If enabled, this functionality would allow administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces, rather than the entire site.
A proposal asks whether admins who don't use their tools for a significant period of time (e.g. five years) should have the toolset procedurally removed.
The fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles was closed. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted rather than reasonably construed.
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