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Past: WikiNusantara 2019, the first Wikimedia Indonesia conference was successfully held in Yogyakarta, Indonesia, on Apr 27-28, 2019. The conference included two Wikidata talks:
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Talk of cloud computing draws a veil over hardware, but also, less obviously but more importantly, obscures such intellectual distinction as matters most in its use. Wikidata begins to allow tasks to be undertaken that were out of easy reach. The facility should not be taken as the real point.
Coming in from another angle, the "executive decision" is more glamorous; but the "administrative decision" should be admired for its command of facts. Think of the attitudes ad fontes, so prevalent here on Wikipedia as "can you give me a source for that?", and being prepared to deal with complicated analyses into specified subcases. Impatience expressed as a disdain for such pedantry is quite understandable, but neither dirty data nor false dichotomies are at all good to have around.
Issue 13 and Issue 21, respectively on WP:MEDRS and systematic reviews, talk about biomedical literature and computing tasks that would be of higher quality if they could be made more "administrative". For example, it is desirable that the decisions involved be consistent, explicable, and reproducible by non-experts from specified inputs.
What gets clouded out is not impossibly hard to understand. You do need to put together the insights of functional programming, which is a doctrinaire and purist but clearcut approach, with the practicality of office software. Loopless computation can be conceived of as a seamless forward march of spreadsheet columns, each determined by the content of previous ones. Very well: to do a backward audit, when now we are talking about Wikidata, we rely on integrity of data and its scrupulous sourcing: and clearcut case analyses. The MEDRS example forces attention on purge attempts such as Beall's list.
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Hello! Your submission of Teide Cableway at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-30T17:40:00.000Z","author":"Yoninah","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yoninah-2019-04-30T17:40:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_Teide_Cableway","replies":[]}}-->
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Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)
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ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.
Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.
We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.
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In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.
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Please find a bit more to say about the Park with the Dragon tree, or it's too short - by about 80 chars ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-11T13:12:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T13:12:00.000Z-Admission","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2019-05-11T13:13:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T13:12:00.000Z","c-Mike_Peel-2019-05-11T15:47:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T13:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
Perhaps @JHunterJ: could help with that? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:13, 11 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-11T13:13:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-05-11T13:13:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T13:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T13:18:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-05-11T13:13:00.000Z","c-JHunterJ-2019-05-11T13:36:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-05-11T13:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
Without looking: what usually helps is a bit more lead, an adjective or two, something like mentioning other parks on the island, more history (people, organisations), specific features of the park --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 11 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-11T13:18:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T13:18:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-05-11T13:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
My removing non-encyclopedic information does not move the obligation for finding encyclopedic information to me. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:36, 11 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-11T13:36:00.000Z","author":"JHunterJ","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JHunterJ-2019-05-11T13:36:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-05-11T13:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T14:29:00.000Z-JHunterJ-2019-05-11T13:36:00.000Z"]}}-->
I didn't ask you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-11T14:29:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T14:29:00.000Z-JHunterJ-2019-05-11T13:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-JHunterJ-2019-05-13T12:42:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T14:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
I didn't respond to you. You can see above that Mike Peel asked me. Learn to read indentation levels, or just try being WP:CIVIL. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:42, 13 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-13T12:42:00.000Z","author":"JHunterJ","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-JHunterJ-2019-05-13T12:42:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T14:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
@Gerda Arendt: I've found a bit more, is that long enough again now? @JHunterJ: No worries, it was just if you were interested in the topic and able to find more sources of information about the park than I've managed to do so. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:47, 11 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-11T15:47:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-05-11T15:47:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T13:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-05-11T18:59:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2019-05-11T15:47:00.000Z"]}}-->
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On 15 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Parque del Drago, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that El Drago Milenario, located in Parque del Drago, Tenerife, is the largest and oldest known specimen of Dracaena draco? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Parque del Drago), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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So as you suspected, someone objected about "white lie".
However, that got it >18k views, putting it on the all-time-non-lead list.
FTW! Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:48, 15 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-15T19:48:00.000Z","author":"Maury Markowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maury_Markowitz-2019-05-15T19:48:00.000Z-You_were_right,_but_luckily,_so_was_I","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2019-05-15T20:06:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-05-15T19:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Maury Markowitz: Congrats on the number of views! I'm looking forward to seeing your next article. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:06, 15 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-15T20:06:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2019-05-15T20:06:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2019-05-15T19:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Two dozen issues, and this may be the last, a valediction at least for a while.
It's time for a two-year summation of ContentMine projects involving TDM (text and data mining).
Wikidata and now Structured Data on Commons represent the overlap of Wikimedia with the Semantic Web. This common ground is helping to convert an engineering concept into a movement. TDM generally has little enough connection with the Semantic Web, being instead in the orbit of machine learning which is no respecter of the semantic. Don't break a taboo by asking bots "and what do you mean by that?"
The ScienceSource project innovates in TDM, by storing its text mining results in a Wikibase site. It strives for compliance of its fact mining, on drug treatments of diseases, with an automated form of the relevant Wikipedia referencing guideline MEDRS. Where WikiFactMine set up an API for reuse of its results, ScienceSource has a SPARQL query service, with look-and-feel exactly that of Wikidata's at query.wikidata.org. It also now has a custom front end, and its content can be federated, in other words used in data mashups: it is one of over 50 sites that can federate with Wikidata.
The human factor comes to bear through the front end, which combines a link to the HTML version of a paper, text mining results organised in drug and disease columns, and a SPARQL display of nearby drug and disease terms. Much software to develop and explain, so little time! Rather than telling the tale, Facto Post brings you ScienceSource links, starting from the how-to video, lower right.
Please be aware that this is a research project in development, and may have outages for planned maintenance. That will apply for the next few days, at least. The ScienceSource wiki main page carries information on practical matters. Email is not enabled on the wiki: use site mail here to Charles Matthews in case of difficulty, or if you need support. Further explanatory videos will be put into commons:Category:ContentMine videos.
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Please see note on your DYK review. Yoninah (talk) 23:34, 19 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-19T23:34:00.000Z","author":"Yoninah","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yoninah-2019-05-19T23:34:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations\/Molniya_orbit","replies":[]}}-->
Wikidata Quality Score Display: Gadget that displays on a Wikipedia article the quality level of the related Wikidata item
Wikidocumentaries service approaches beta quality and displays content from Wikimedia and other openly licensed sources for each Wikidata item. The latest user interface translations are Indonesian and Russian, and the newest content source plugin for the related images section is the brand new Creative Commons Search catalog.
Several developers from the Wikidata team attended to the hackathon, discussed with the community, gathered feedback, hacked on things together with volunteers :)
Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lea Lacroix (WMDE)15:14, 27 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-27T15:14:00.000Z","author":"Lea Lacroix (WMDE)","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lea_Lacroix_(WMDE)-2019-05-27T15:14:00.000Z-Wikidata_weekly_summary_#366","replies":[]}}-->
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You can see a list of all categories at WP:PRWAITING. We hope to see you soon Wikipedia:Peer Review. Happy Reviewing!KadaneBot (talk) 04:02, 30 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-30T04:02:00.000Z","author":"KadaneBot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KadaneBot-2019-05-30T04:02:00.000Z-Unanswered_Peer_Review_Requests_2","replies":[]}}-->