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This Month in Education
Volume 6 | Issue 1 | February 2017
This monthly newsletter showcases the Wikipedia Education Program. It focuses on sharing: your ideas, stories, success and challenges. Be sure to check out the full version, and past editions. You can also volunteer to help publish the newsletter. Join the team!
We hope you enjoy this issue of the Education Newsletter.-- Sailesh Patnaik using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-28T21:54:00.000Z","author":"MediaWiki message delivery","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2017-02-28T21:54:00.000Z-","replies":[]}}-->
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A recent RfC has redefined how articles on schools are evaluated at AfD. Specifically, secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist.
Cookie blocks should be deployed to the English Wikipedia soon. This will extend the current autoblock system by setting a cookie for each block, which will then autoblock the user after they switch accounts under a new IP.
A bot will now automatically place a protection template on protected pages when admins forget to do so.
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On 8 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Viaduto do Chá, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Viaduto do Chá, São Paulo's first viaduct, was originally constructed from German iron before being replaced by a concrete span? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Viaduto do Chá. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Viaduto do Chá), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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On 11 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Snugburys, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Snugburys, a British ice cream manufacturer, has constructed a series of large sculptures made of steel-reinforced straw, including one of the Lovell Telescope(pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Snugburys. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Snugburys), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Converted undo/restore interface to use OOUI. You can test it here (phab:T134643).
Fixed an other rounding issue on geo coordinates (phab:T158772).
Added thumbnail images to the Wikimedia Commons suggester (phab:T160319).
Continued working on introducing Lexeme entity type.
Finishing federation prototype.
We are going to change all snak, reference, and qualifier hashes with the planned DataModel 7.0 release. If you are a tool developer, make sure you do not persist hashes, and never use them to request edits to entities. Statement IDs are safe (phab:T157965).
I was trying to figure out how to correct the Italian description that shows up in the top infobox for Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex and discovered that to do so one has to edit a Wikidata entry. One of my pet complaints about Wikipedia is that the template editing process is so code-oriented and persnickety about sometimes-inconsistent syntax that it intimidates many editors. Outsourcing the entry to Wikidata compounds this rather than corrects this: nobody who's not very determined will take the time to figure out how to make a simple correction of this kind if they're sent to a separate project with its own editing context. I'm hardly unskilled and I find it fussy. How would an editor of less than ten years' standing understand this? Is there a better, more transparent way? It seems like ease of editing is being sacrificed for the benefit of Wikidata. Acroterion(talk)15:59, 14 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-14T15:59:00.000Z","author":"Acroterion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Acroterion-2017-03-14T15:59:00.000Z-Template:Observatory","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-03-14T20:56:00.000Z-Acroterion-2017-03-14T15:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Acroterion: On the Goldstone article, it looks like that's a bug in the code that's being used - @RexxS:, can you have a look? It seems that the media legend is present on Wikidata in Italian, but not English, so we shouldn't be showing one here.
On the ease of editing point: I actually started Wikidata-ifying infoboxes so that it becomes easier to edit articles - when you start editing an article, you're immediately presented with a lot of wikitext that makes the infobox rather than the content of the page, and I think most people will want to edit that text rather than the infobox contents. Then if you do want to edit the infobox, then you can do so using a nicer(-ish) interface on Wikidata. There is of course also the visual editor, and ideally it should be possible to edit the Wikidata information directly in there, but that support isn't in there yet. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-14T20:56:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-03-14T20:56:00.000Z-Acroterion-2017-03-14T15:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-RexxS-2017-03-14T22:30:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2017-03-14T20:56:00.000Z","c-Acroterion-2017-03-14T23:35:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2017-03-14T20:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
It isn't language aware as far as I can tell, so I'm not surprised that it returns the first thing it finds. If you had used the function I wrote, getImageLegend(), you'd get the results you were looking for:
{{#invoke:Wikidata |getImageLegend | FETCH_WIKIDATA | lang=en |id=Q618630}} → The 70m antenna at Goldstone
{{#invoke:Wikidata |getImageLegend | FETCH_WIKIDATA | lang=it |id=Q618630}} → L'antenna di 70 m di diametro presente nell'Osservatorio Goldstone
{{#invoke:Wikidata |getImageLegend | FETCH_WIKIDATA |id=Q618630}} → The 70m antenna at Goldstone
The last one reads the local wiki's language code and should normally be the one used in infoboxes.
Nevertheless, I'd still recommend adding an English media legend (P2096) to Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex (Q618630) and whenever you find it missing. HTH --RexxS (talk) 22:30, 14 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-14T22:30:00.000Z","author":"RexxS","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-RexxS-2017-03-14T22:30:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2017-03-14T20:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-03-14T22:40:00.000Z-RexxS-2017-03-14T22:30:00.000Z"]}}-->
Aah, thanks @RexxS - I should have checked that the template was using the latest code first! I've changed it in the infobox code, and it's now working properly in the article. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:40, 14 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-14T22:40:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-03-14T22:40:00.000Z-RexxS-2017-03-14T22:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Thanks (both of you) for looking into this and fixing it. On the ease of use angle, I remain unconvinced. Obviously I have objections to Wikipedia's template format, so in principle I'm on board with circumventing that, and I agree that new users confronted with masses of curly and square brackets, pipes and dashes right at the beginning of an article are likely to give up. But I'm not convinced that sending them off to a different URL on another project and giving them yet another interface to figure out is a good thing. The arm's-length nature of Wikidata with respect to references and data fields seems awkward to me.
I admit I'm not a fan of Wikidata in its present form. It has great potential for stealthy BLP violations and outright vandalism that's not quickly findable or fixable with reverberations across multiple projects. I've seen a few (minor) cases of BLP violations via Wikidata that would be immediately rejected as unsourced or opinion if they'd occurred on WP. We've all gone on template and image vandalism hunts and had to flag down admins on other projects to fix some of them. With this format it's possible to have admins on Wikipedia, Commons and Wikidata chasing vandals at the same time. Vandalism aside, referencing should be tightly-bound and transparent, and it's hard to do that on another screen on another site.
On the other hand, I like the reference field hints on WD and the interface shows promise. Given the WMF's abysmal record with user experience improvements I don't know how this might be incorporated into the main projects. <end rant> Thanks for your help! Acroterion(talk)23:35, 14 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-14T23:35:00.000Z","author":"Acroterion","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Acroterion-2017-03-14T23:35:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2017-03-14T20:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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<grin> there should be a barnstar for good use of Wikidata information </grin>
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Thanks Gerard! Mike Peel (talk) 08:40, 22 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-22T08:40:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-03-22T08:40:00.000Z-GerardM-2017-03-21T13:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Following a discussion on the backlog of unpatrolled files, consensus was found to create a new user right for autopatrolling file uploads. Implementation progress can be tracked on Phabricator.
The BLPPROD grandfather clause, which stated that unreferenced biographies of living persons were only eligible for proposed deletion if they were created after March 18, 2010, has been removed following an RfC.
An RfC has closed with consensus to allow proposed deletion of files. The implementation process is ongoing.
After an unsuccessful proposal to automatically grant IP block exemption, consensus was found to relax the criteria for granting the user right from needing it to wanting it.
Technical news
After a recent RfC, moved pages will soon be featured in a queue similar to Special:NewPagesFeed and require patrolling. Moves by administrators, page movers, and autopatrolled editors will be automatically marked as patrolled.
Cookie blocks have been deployed. This extends the current autoblock system by setting a cookie for each block, which will then autoblock the user if they switch accounts, even under a new IP.
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This Month in Education
Volume 6 | Issue 2 |March 2017
This monthly newsletter showcases the Wikipedia Education Program. It focuses on sharing: your ideas, stories, success and challenges. Be sure to check out the full version, and past editions. You can also volunteer to help publish the newsletter. Join the team!
The new issue of the newsletter is out! Thanks to everyone who submitted stories and helped with the publication. We hope you enjoy this issue of the Education Newsletter.-- Sailesh Patnaik using Saileshpat (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-01T19:07:00.000Z","author":"Saileshpat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saileshpat-2017-04-01T19:07:00.000Z-This_Month_in_Education:_[March_2017]","replies":[],"displayName":"Sailesh Patnaik"}}-->
A warm welcome to our new intern, Lucas Werkmeister! You may now him for his work on queries as WikidataFacts. He will work in the team for the next months.
Just letting you know that FloNight contacted Functionaries list re the bot being IP-blocked. I've granted it IPBE here on enwiki, but you might want to ask for it globally or at least on Meta as well. Thanks for creating and operating the bot. Risker (talk) 00:16, 8 April 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-08T00:16:00.000Z","author":"Risker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Risker-2017-04-08T00:16:00.000Z-Pi_bot","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2017-04-08T11:34:00.000Z-Risker-2017-04-08T00:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
That's great, thanks @Risker and @FloNight! Mike Peel (talk) 11:34, 8 April 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-08T11:34:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2017-04-08T11:34:00.000Z-Risker-2017-04-08T00:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->