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Hi, I'm beginning an article on my sandbox on the Citizen Science Association (CSA). This is a recently-formed association (2013), but it does have a history when tied in with other organisations. The CSA has just last week started a peer-reviewed open access journal 'Citizen Science: Theory and Practice' (CSTP). In the upcoming second issue, a history of the CSA will be featured in a peer-reviewed article. Am I able to use this history as a source in a WP article on the CSA?
To be frank, I'll need a lot of help getting an article together on the CSA. Having worked with you briefly at a Zooniverse Wikithon, you seem to be a good bet for giving overview and such. A look at the Board of Directors shows that this is a serious association that needs a top quality article. But I am worried about having enough 3rd party sources to make this article. While there is a comprehensive website run with the help of Cornell University, can I use this at all?
So, it would be good of you to help me. I'm also a member of the CSA, as are over 4000 others. Does this matter? If we could get a conversation going it would help a lot and also mean that the co-editors of CSTP could view some Q's and A's. Thanks for your time... Richard Nowell (talk) 19:55, 24 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-24T19:55:00.000Z","author":"Richard Nowell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard_Nowell-2016-05-24T19:55:00.000Z-New_article_on_the_Citizen_Science_Association","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2016-05-25T19:44:00.000Z-Richard_Nowell-2016-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi @Richard Nowell: It's good to hear from you, how are things? I think that the article on the history of the CSA should be a fine source to use for factual information, as well as their website. However, you do need those third party sources to demonstrate notability - and if you don't have you may run into problems when you move the article from your sandbox to user space. Has the organisation had significant news articles about it yet? With regards being a member, I'd encourage you to have a look at WP:COI, and you may want to declare your membership (e.g. on your user page or the article talk page), but I don't think it's an unmanageable COI. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-25T19:44:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2016-05-25T19:44:00.000Z-Richard_Nowell-2016-05-24T19:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Richard_Nowell-2016-05-26T06:36:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2016-05-25T19:44:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for reply. I'm struggling on but better for it. Third party sources need to be found. COI is manageable. Have a nice bank holiday. Richard Nowell (talk) 06:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-26T06:36:00.000Z","author":"Richard Nowell","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Richard_Nowell-2016-05-26T06:36:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2016-05-25T19:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi Mike, thanks for getting the Royal Oak started. I've tarted up the infobox a bit, but would also like to improve the referencing. Have a look at Stoneacre, Kent and see how {{sfn}} is used in the text and {{NHLE}} (the precursor of {{National Heritage List for England}} is used. I've not seen <ref name=xxx> ... </ref> used in reference sections before, it adds an additional link. Is there a good reason for this? If not I'll have a go later this evening. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 18:40, 5 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-05T18:40:00.000Z","author":"Martin of Sheffield","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martin_of_Sheffield-2016-06-05T18:40:00.000Z-Royal_Oak","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T18:47:00.000Z-Martin_of_Sheffield-2016-06-05T18:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi @Martin of Sheffield: thanks for improving the infobox! I'm really not a fan of the sfn style of referencing - you can read the detailed reasons why at Talk:Croome_Court#Citation_system, but to cut a long story short: I don't like the two-part reference format that requires readers to click twice to see the full reference, as opposed to the simpler inline reference system. Moving the ref code to the end is just a way to keep the wikitext a bit cleaner and easier to edit.
I'm planning on nominating the article for DYK shortly - any suggestions for the hook? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:47, 5 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-05T18:47:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T18:47:00.000Z-Martin_of_Sheffield-2016-06-05T18:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T18:56:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T18:47:00.000Z"]}}-->
DYK nomination now at Template:Did you know nominations/Royal Oak, Frindsbury. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:56, 5 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-05T18:56:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T18:56:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T18:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martin_of_Sheffield-2016-06-05T19:08:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T18:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
We'll have to disagree then, but possibly less than you think. I too like keeping the text clean and easier to edit, that's why I prefer the sfn system. It seems logical to me to have a bibliographic list (essentially a database), and then keep the page references in a minimised form. It may not a problem repeating the citation or giving a large range for a two or three page reference, but when you are citing pages all over a full sized book it becomes a bit meaningless. I've twigged what you are up to now with the list-defined references, I'd just not seen them used before. Anyhow, all this is beside the point, you established the style first and I'm not about to waste our time trying to seek consensus (from two people) for a change! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-05T19:08:00.000Z","author":"Martin of Sheffield","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martin_of_Sheffield-2016-06-05T19:08:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T18:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T19:16:00.000Z-Martin_of_Sheffield-2016-06-05T19:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks. :-) Just to say: the sfn system does make sense when you're doing multi-page book references, but we don't have any of those refs in this article (yet?). Personally I would love to see a proper database of refs behind an article, Wikidata-esque perhaps - something for the future hopefully. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:16, 5 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-05T19:16:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2016-06-05T19:16:00.000Z-Martin_of_Sheffield-2016-06-05T19:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello! Your submission of Royal Oak, Frindsbury at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! — Maile (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-12T21:36:00.000Z","author":"Maile66","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maile66-2016-06-12T21:36:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_Royal_Oak,_Frindsbury","replies":["c-Maile66-2016-06-12T21:36:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-06-12T21:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Maile"}}-->
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Hello Mike I plan to make a paper for a french scientific magazine, "astrosurf magazine". The subject will be the observation campaign of the variable SS Cyg made by myself and others via the AAVSO but also the Swift satellite and the eMerlin system. To illustrate this paper I wolud be very happy if I can add some pictures from your base such as : - Defford Radio Telescope, part of eMerlin - Model of the Swift satellite. I plan to add the following text license : Photograph by Mike Peel (www.mikepeel.net). Is that enough ?
Another question, did you get any information about the first results of this campaign? I got no news yet.
Thank you for your help, much appreciated.
Kind Regards Michel Deconinck
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Thanks for getting in touch - I've replied by email. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:26, 14 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-14T22:26:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2016-06-14T22:26:00.000Z-Aquarellia-2016-06-14T06:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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