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Dear Mike,
I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.
Best regards,
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Thanks @Tom Morris:, I'd be happy to join, but unfortunately the membership list isn't compatible with global userpages. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:02, 21 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-21T20:02:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-03-21T20:02:00.000Z-Tom_Morris-2015-03-18T07:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Thanks Mike, I'll try and come along to Leeds if I can! GiantSnowman08:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-29T08:37:00.000Z","author":"GiantSnowman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GiantSnowman-2015-03-29T08:37:00.000Z-Meetups","replies":[],"displayName":"Giant"}}-->
Thanks for telling me, but the cities named are too far away from me. I might have gone to a Birmingham one a couple of years back, except that it clashed with another engagement. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:10, 29 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-29T15:10:00.000Z","author":"Peterkingiron","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Peterkingiron-2015-03-29T15:10:00.000Z-Meetups","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2015-03-29T19:51:00.000Z-Peterkingiron-2015-03-29T15:10:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Peterkingiron: there are other meetups in the UK too, see m:Meetup/UK, although it's been a while since there was one in the midlands. Perhaps you (or @Pigsonthewing:/@HJ Mitchell:) might be interested in organising one in the area? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:51, 29 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-29T19:51:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-03-29T19:51:00.000Z-Peterkingiron-2015-03-29T15:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Thanks for the advance warning of dates. Manchester and Liverpool are in my diary and I'll see if I can get there. MerielGJones (talk) 17:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-29T17:01:00.000Z","author":"MerielGJones","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MerielGJones-2015-03-29T17:01:00.000Z-Meetups","replies":[]}}-->
Good to see you on board. I have been having a look at the background material-- particularly Manual of Style/mathematics and Help:Referencing for beginners. Not to put too finer point on it neither would pass Ofsted. Rather than cause an earthquake- I have put together a sandbox, where I have tried to gather a few threads together, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Mathematics/sandbox, I have left copius comments embedded in the page- if you have a few monments could you have a look and make a few surgical comments. The referencing issue is also interesting, there seems to be no consistent terminology for the different approved styles and a lot of confusion caused by this in the discussion. Many maths stubs are tagged for improvement- but seem too short to require inline refs. -- Clem Rutter (talk)09:27, 27 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-27T09:27:00.000Z","author":"ClemRutter","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ClemRutter-2015-03-27T09:27:00.000Z-Lancaster.","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2015-03-29T19:47:00.000Z-ClemRutter-2015-03-27T09:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Clem Rutter"}}-->
Hi @ClemRutter: working on the MoS isn't really my kind of thing, so I'll watch but probably won't contribute much. I'd generally recommend keeping things short, simple, and not over-prescriptive. And please encourage people to stick with the standard inline referencing system, rather than using one of the more bespoke ones. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:47, 29 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-29T19:47:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-03-29T19:47:00.000Z-ClemRutter-2015-03-27T09:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-ClemRutter-2015-03-29T22:55:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-03-29T19:47:00.000Z"]}}-->
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I was amused as Patrick Moore had written there was nothing interesting in Microscopium, but there are some weird stars and things. However, I am a bit stumped trying to find out more and write about Microscopium Void as getting my head around large-scale universe stuff is a challenge...and I'd like to get it in somehow. All help appreciated. cheers Cas Liber (talk·contribs) 11:57, 25 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-25T11:57:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Casliber-2015-03-25T11:57:00.000Z-another_one....Microscopium","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2015-03-25T16:55:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-03-25T11:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cas Liber"}}-->
@Casliber: Hmm, it doesn't look like the microscopium void is particularly notable. The 'discovery' paper is only referenced 7 times, the latest in 1995 [1]. It might be better as a brief mention somewhere else rather than having its own article. I'll try to have a look at the constellation article later. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-25T16:55:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-03-25T16:55:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-03-25T11:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Casliber-2015-03-25T19:38:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-03-25T16:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks..yeah there's a whole List of voids(queue some Seinfeld joke about a whole lotta Nothing...)Cas Liber (talk·contribs) 19:38, 25 March 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-25T19:38:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Casliber-2015-03-25T19:38:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-03-25T16:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Casliber-2015-04-02T22:44:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-03-25T19:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cas Liber"}}-->
Nudge nudge.....cheers, Cas Liber (talk·contribs) 22:44, 2 April 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-02T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Casliber-2015-04-02T22:44:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-03-25T19:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2015-04-05T19:32:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-04-02T22:44:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cas Liber"}}-->
Sorry for the delay, I've posted some suggestions at Talk:Microscopium#Suggestions. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:32, 5 April 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-05T19:32:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-04-05T19:32:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-04-02T22:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Casliber-2015-04-06T00:19:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-04-05T19:32:00.000Z"]}}-->
No trouble at all - much appreciated! Cas Liber (talk·contribs) 00:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-06T00:19:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Casliber-2015-04-06T00:19:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-04-05T19:32:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Cas Liber"}}-->
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Thar's a big 'un a few of us've been workin' on it'd be great if someone professional would look at it...cheers, Cas Liber (talk·contribs) 01:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-05-15T01:54:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Casliber-2015-05-15T01:54:00.000Z-Speaking_of_stars....","replies":["c-Casliber-2015-05-21T03:13:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-05-15T01:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cas Liber"}}-->
....Mike? Cas Liber (talk·contribs) 03:13, 21 May 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-05-21T03:13:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Casliber-2015-05-21T03:13:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-05-15T01:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2015-05-22T19:28:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-05-21T03:13:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cas Liber"}}-->
@Casliber: Sorry for the delay, I'll take a look now. I've also posted a message to a facebook group of professional astronomers asking whether any of them would like to review the article / have any comments: they might leave comments on the talk page, or I'll copy comments over to the talk page from facebook. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-05-22T19:28:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-05-22T19:28:00.000Z-Casliber-2015-05-21T03:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Casliber-2015-05-22T21:57:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-05-22T19:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
Brilliant! Much appreciated. Cas Liber (talk·contribs) 21:57, 22 May 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-05-22T21:57:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Casliber-2015-05-22T21:57:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-05-22T19:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Cas Liber"}}-->
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Hello Mike; I see you've taken a look at several of Casliber's constellation articles in the past and provided useful commentary. One I've been working on for around a year now, Serpens, is incredibly near FAC, I believe; would you mind having a look at it? StringTheory11 (t • c) 16:08, 24 June 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-24T16:08:00.000Z","author":"StringTheory11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-StringTheory11-2015-06-24T16:08:00.000Z-Serpens","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2015-06-24T19:00:00.000Z-StringTheory11-2015-06-24T16:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
@StringTheory11: I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I'll have a look when I get the chance! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:00, 24 June 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-24T19:00:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-06-24T19:00:00.000Z-StringTheory11-2015-06-24T16:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
We should work togeter to elaborate a common infobox. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 12:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-25T12:48:00.000Z","author":"J\u00e9r\u00e9my-G\u00fcnther-Heinz J\u00e4hnick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-J\u00e9r\u00e9my-G\u00fcnther-Heinz_J\u00e4hnick-2015-06-25T12:48:00.000Z-d:User:Mike_Peel\/sandbox","replies":[]}}-->
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You could use {{Cite newspaper The Times}} for that reference. Mjroots (talk) 18:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-02T18:54:00.000Z","author":"Mjroots","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mjroots-2015-07-02T18:54:00.000Z-STV_Astrid","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2015-07-02T19:15:00.000Z-Mjroots-2015-07-02T18:54:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hmm, shouldn't that template just redirect to {{cite news}}, perhaps auto-filling the 'newspaper' parameter? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-02T19:15:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-07-02T19:15:00.000Z-Mjroots-2015-07-02T18:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mjroots-2015-07-02T19:57:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-07-02T19:15:00.000Z"]}}-->
No, it's a dedicated template for The Times, with parameters that aren't normally used in other newspaper cites. Mjroots (talk) 19:57, 2 July 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-02T19:57:00.000Z","author":"Mjroots","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mjroots-2015-07-02T19:57:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-07-02T19:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
The only parameter that seems to be different, according to the documentation, is 'day_of_week'. E.g., see the following template calls (the ordering is different, but the information displayed is the same):
Author (1 January 2000). "Title". Section. The Times. No. 1. London. col 1, p. 1. {{cite news}}: |author= has generic name (help)template uses deprecated parameter(s) (help)
Author (1 January 2000). "Title". Section. The Times. No. 1. London. col. 1, p. 1, pp. 1-2. {{cite news}}: |author= has generic name (help)
The conversion between the two seems to be:
Times template
News template
articlename
title
author
author
section
department
day_of_week
N/A
date
date
page_number
page
page_numbers
pages
issue
issue
column
at (giving col. N, and p. N or pp. N)
The Times
newspaper=The Times
London
location=London
Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:19, 2 July 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-02T21:19:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-07-02T21:19:00.000Z-STV_Astrid","replies":["c-Mike_Peel-2015-07-03T18:58:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-07-02T21:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Mjroots: I've posted a copy of this at Template_talk:Cite_newspaper_The_Times#Merge_with_.7B.7Bcite_news.7D.7D.3F, which might be the better place to discuss this further if you're interested. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:58, 3 July 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-03T18:58:00.000Z","author":"Mike Peel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_Peel-2015-07-03T18:58:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2015-07-02T21:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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