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See Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Yadav - Sitush (talk) 08:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-10T08:22:00.000Z","author":"Sitush","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sitush-2011-08-10T08:22:00.000Z-DRN","replies":[]}}-->

... namely deleting content on populated places in India. [1] SIA-Populated places in India (talk) 14:56, 10 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-10T14:56:00.000Z","author":"SIA-Populated places in India","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SIA-Populated_places_in_India-2011-08-10T14:56:00.000Z-Info_about_what_SpacemanSpiff_and_Crusoe8181_are_at","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I think that it must have been you who added this source to Yadav. Unfortunately, the citation does not give a page number & I can only see snippets. Can you narrow things down a little please (here - I wouldn't try inserting it into the article while the whole issue is at WP:DRN).

The book is a collection of papers by various people, I have one chapter in full & I know someone via WP:RX who has a copy of the entire thing. They can scan the relevant chapter if I know which one it is. - Sitush (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-11T13:14:00.000Z","author":"Sitush","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sitush-2011-08-11T13:14:00.000Z-Norman_Barrier:_Census_in_India","replies":[]}}-->

MV, I saw the changes made by Melotown. At first glance, there aren't any obvious mischievous edits. The only thing that jumped out was the crafty addition of "Kshatriya" to the lede - a phenomenon which you know much better than me. I am watching this page to ensure it stays free of puffery. Foodie 377 (talk) 06:35, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T06:35:00.000Z","author":"Foodie 377","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Foodie_377-2011-08-17T06:35:00.000Z-Changes_made_to_my_version_of_Kayastha_by_another_editor","replies":[]}}-->

Mentioned you at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Kurmi_page_protection. - Sitush (talk) 20:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-20T20:09:00.000Z","author":"Sitush","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sitush-2011-08-20T20:09:00.000Z-Kurmi_at_ANI._Sigh.","replies":[]}}-->

{{Infobox caste}} was expanded mostly based on your feedback. Editors are now discussing the deletion of the very same content you requested to be added. The discussion is on the Template_talk:Infobox_caste template talk. I am not going to participate in that discussion as I don't care if the content is kept or removed. Zuggernaut (talk) 13:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-25T13:31:00.000Z","author":"Zuggernaut","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zuggernaut-2011-08-25T13:31:00.000Z-Infobox_caste","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Matthew, I believe I accidentally sent you an alert via your MatthewVanitas/A section, not realizing that was dormant -- sorry about that! My question was re: how to change the spelling on a main listing, noably "Nappa" to "Napa" (per Merriam-Webster, m-w.com -- "Nappa" is not a proper or alternate spelling).

But also, the entry here on Wikipedia for "blood type diet" is a real mess. If you look at the discussion, there are some angry birds in that discussion who keep clicking "undo" whenever a reviewer makes it sound less one-sided. Is there a way to "Wiki-flag" that entry? It's been awhile since I created the Levenger page here, so I'm already a little rusty! Thanks!! Grattan33 (talk) 15:19, 26 August 2011 (UTC)Grattan33__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-26T15:19:00.000Z","author":"Grattan33","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grattan33-2011-08-26T15:19:00.000Z-Nappa_and_Blood_type_diet_pages","replies":[]}}-->

Your comment at ANI about me is inaccurate and hence a problem. I suggest you read more before you comment on something as serious as this. Once you read up on it and get a grasp of the situation, please strike out the inaccurate portion. Zuggernaut (talk) 13:15, 28 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-28T13:15:00.000Z","author":"Zuggernaut","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zuggernaut-2011-08-28T13:15:00.000Z-ANI_Comment","replies":["c-Sitush-2011-08-28T14:23:00.000Z-Zuggernaut-2011-08-28T13:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

To help you read up, see Wikipedia:Topic_bans#Types_of_restrictions for the Zuggernaut entry. There are four aspects, all rounded up in the same ANI proposal. On the face of it, there seems to have been an anti-British/pro-India POV issue rather along the lines that you and I have seen elsewhere regarding other people. But these things are complicated. It might be worth asking Zuggernaut which bit of your statement they feel to be inaccurate - I do not see why you should be expected to read their mind. My guess would be the word "nationalist", since POV is mentioned frequently in the discussion. ErrantX seems to be involved in overseeing & may be able to guide you further. - Sitush (talk) 14:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-28T14:23:00.000Z","author":"Sitush","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sitush-2011-08-28T14:23:00.000Z-Zuggernaut-2011-08-28T13:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Given the type of articles you edit and your contributions to Pakistan-related topics, I invite you to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan and Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistani history if you are interested. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 06:31, 4 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-04T06:31:00.000Z","author":"Mar4d","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mar4d-2011-09-04T06:31:00.000Z-WikiProject_Pakistan","replies":[]}}-->

Am sorry for reverting it to kshatria.My appologies I think it should be more appropriately written as Kshatriya like cast. I have added some more detail in to article. but very few articles can be found on net or real library about this caste. its going to be hard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.98.95.242 (talk) 06:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-06T06:32:00.000Z","author":"117.98.95.242","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-117.98.95.242-2011-09-06T06:32:00.000Z-menon","replies":[]}}-->

& another thing is some one is adding 'tamil word melavan'. but is that not a malayalam word? 117.98.95.242 (talk) 06:36, 6 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-06T06:36:00.000Z","author":"117.98.95.242","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-117.98.95.242-2011-09-06T06:36:00.000Z-menon","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-06T13:41:00.000Z-117.98.95.242-2011-09-06T06:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not a problem, thanks for dropping me a line. It's not at all that I'm out to block the term from the article, it's just that we really need solid references for such a clear classification. Not to put too fine a point on it, but a lot of castes like to claim Kshatriya status, with varying degrees of historical precedent, and without clear footnotes it's hard to tell how to properly explain the complexities of each caste's politics.

I agree that it can be difficult to find information on some Indian communities, but hopefully that will improve as more books in more languages are digitised and become available to a wider community. In the meantime, unfortunately, we do have to operate under "cause no harm" and sometimes add a little less than we'd like rather than add to much unproven info and risk mis-informing readers, even with things that "everybody knows".

Not sure about the "melavan" word, as I don't speak either language. Have you tried messaging the person who's adding that term to ask them? Though you're welcome to keep editing as an IP address, it'll make it easier for people to communicate with you if you sign up for a Wikipedia account (takes less than 5 minutes, is free, and also hides your IP address from others), since if I send you messages right now you might get them if your IP fluctuates.

Thanks for writing in, this is always easiest when we communicate, and I'll look as well to see what footnotes I can find for the article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-06T13:41:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-06T13:41:00.000Z-117.98.95.242-2011-09-06T06:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The user tamilian101 is again & again changing menon in to tamil word . there was citation needed tag for long & he failed to provide any citations. menon as a malayalam community is by default a malayalam term right? Doesn't he has to provide citation to prove it other wise?? Sesshomaru666666 (talk) 08:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-26T08:53:00.000Z","author":"Sesshomaru666666","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sesshomaru666666-2011-09-26T08:53:00.000Z-menon","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-26T13:33:00.000Z-Sesshomaru666666-2011-09-26T08:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am not an expert on those languages, but generally speaking the community's name in their own language should follow the title term.There's a little flex for also including other languages they commonly speak, or the official language of the country(ies) they inhabit. However, if the Menon do not generally speak Tamil, I agree the Tamil spelling should not be in the lede. If this continues, make sure you do not simply get in a pattern of undoing his edits by yourself, as per WP:3RR that can get you both blocked for a day or two regardless of who is right. Instead, suggest you contact Wikipedia:Noticeboard for India-related topics to ask for assistance. That will get additional experienced eyes on the page, and make it easier to get an admin to step in if the page needs protection or a non-cooperative editor needs to be temporarily blocked. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-26T13:33:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-26T13:33:00.000Z-Sesshomaru666666-2011-09-26T08:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

After a nearly three year hiatus from editing, I've come back (for a while at least). I was perusing the user pages of editors I remember and found yours. I just wanted to suggest archiving your talk page - it really is quite long! Just trying to be helpful. MezzoMezzo (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-07T23:07:00.000Z","author":"MezzoMezzo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MezzoMezzo-2011-09-07T23:07:00.000Z-Archiving_your_talk_page","replies":[]}}-->

Geolocate Special:Contributions/64.105.174.210, Special:Contributions/8.18.192.2 and compare their contribution history + edit summaries. If those two are not our friend at Talk:Yadav who has also been blocked fairly recently by C.Fred then I will go out, buy a hat and eat it. Obviously, the actual style of writing is also significant. How the hell are we supposed to deal with this sort of thing when checkuser cannot/will not link to usernames. - Sitush (talk) 19:37, 12 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-12T19:37:00.000Z","author":"Sitush","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sitush-2011-09-12T19:37:00.000Z-Socking","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-12T20:46:00.000Z-Sitush-2011-09-12T19:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't know block procedures that well, so I'm not the person to ask. And no matter how disruptive an editor is, there will be an "established" editor willing to champion and say "hey, let's hear him out" while keeping their own hands clean. Funny how some of the people with the most to say are the ones with the fewest refs, or even specific examples of things they don't like amongst the shocking and appalling mess of the articles they tut-tut over. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:46, 12 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-12T20:46:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-12T20:46:00.000Z-Sitush-2011-09-12T19:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sitush-2011-09-12T21:00:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-12T20:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry, it was a rather rhetorical question borne out of frustration. This continual socking and general disruption gets on top of me from time to time. There is nothing that we can do, although a friendly admin might sometimes impose a short block on the IP. Basically, it is a massive loophole and some people know it. - Sitush (talk) 21:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-12T21:00:00.000Z","author":"Sitush","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sitush-2011-09-12T21:00:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-12T20:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The Article yadav is being deliberately defamed. Please correct the article.

Even till 1400 AD some of the dynasties in India called themselves Yadavs ( Suena yadavs of Devagiri ). This article needs corrections. The introduction is wrong. Unneccary stuff has been put in.

. Hinduism and Its Military Ethos By R. K. Nehra Page 209 http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=hinduism+and+its+military+ethos+yadavas+chandravanshi+line&btnG=

2. The golden book of India: a genealogical and biographical dictionary of the ... By Sir Roper Lethbridge page 246

http://books.google.com/books?id=bHiBAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA246&dq=the+golden+book+of+india+yadav&hl=en#v=onepage&q=yadav&f=false

Two reliable sources mention yadavs as chandravanshi khastriyas. — — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truefact1979 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 13 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-13T18:15:00.000Z","author":"Truefact1979","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Truefact1979-2011-09-13T18:15:00.000Z-Some_users_are_deliberately_defaming_the_yadav_article","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-13T18:49:00.000Z-Truefact1979-2011-09-13T18:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

I will reply to you at Talk:Yadav#The_introduction_is_wrong._Some_is_trying_deliberately_to_defame_them; please do not post identical messages on multiple pages, as it splits the conversation into pieces. Instead, consider using the template: {{talkback|Talk:Yadav}}, which is a way of alerting someone that you have written something they may want to respond to at such-and-such article; just put the article name after the "|" line. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-13T18:49:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-13T18:49:00.000Z-Truefact1979-2011-09-13T18:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

various scholars have agreeded that yadavs are chandravanshi khastriyas and some have not.

The following link can be used to verify that yadavs are khastriyas.

http://books.google.com/books?id=RfdtUUnVQLQC&pg=PA388&dq=Yadavs+OBC+kshatriyas&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Yadavs%20OBC%20kshatriyas&f=false

http://www.sishri.org/velir.html ( This website clearly mentions in some parts of india Yadavs are khastriyas ).

http://storyofkannada.blogspot.com/2008/05/origin-of-seuna-dynasty.html

Also till 1400 AD there were dynasties which claimed that they are yadavs. The descendants of this dynasties still would be living in India. Also the article mentions that only from 19th century yadavs are trying to raise their status. Its wrong. In 1400 AD a dyansty claimed they are yadavs ( chandravanshi ). These people cannot disappear just like that.

proof some scholars claim yadavs as khastriyas.

http://books.google.com/books?id=RfdtUUnVQLQC&pg=PA388&dq=Yadavs+OBC+kshatriyas&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Yadavs%20OBC%20kshatriyas&f=false

book : We and our administration By K. C. Brahmachary page 388 many scholars agree yadavs as khastriyas and some scholars dont.

I request kindly to correct the introduction. please dont neglect these valuable points. So far there is like three books which mention yadavs as khastriyas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.174.210 (talk) 02:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-14T02:37:00.000Z","author":"64.105.174.210","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-64.105.174.210-2011-09-14T02:37:00.000Z-The_article_regarding_yadavs_need_changes_in_introduction","replies":[]}}-->

The 8.x.x.x IP mentioned you at ANI before you posted the note on their page. - Sitush (talk) 17:42, 16 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-16T17:42:00.000Z","author":"Sitush","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sitush-2011-09-16T17:42:00.000Z-The_IP_and_ANI","replies":[]}}-->

As you suggested, I did a bit of work at Hazarajat removed the intros as you suggested. please have a look and let me know if there is something else I can do. Thanks once again !!! Hazara-Birar (talk) 11:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-17T11:47:00.000Z","author":"Hazara-Birar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hazara-Birar-2011-09-17T11:47:00.000Z-Rewrote_the_sections_at_Hazarajat","replies":[]}}-->

(cur | prev) 20:03, 17 December 2010 MatthewVanitas (talk | contribs) (3,242 bytes) (Article has steadily _declined_ over last two years. Reverting to Nov'08 chop back to only footnoted info. Please restore other info as you find good footnotes) (undo)

On the above date you have deleted the entire page named Mair Rajput!!! Why??? What do you mean by steadily _declined? I will report this to Wikipedia if you do not provide genuine explaination or do not restore it and delete only the objectionable part of it, if necessary.

SKV — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.201.243 (talk) 11:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-18T11:48:00.000Z","author":"117.195.201.243","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-117.195.201.243-2011-09-18T11:48:00.000Z-mair_rajput_page","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-18T15:09:00.000Z-117.195.201.243-2011-09-18T11:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

The entire page had almost no citations, and what few citations it had were not properly formatted, verifiable, or generally constructive. The page had massive amounts of very odd information about Mairs ruling Cambodia of all places, tons of WP:OR about how the Mair were disadvantaged by a Western insistence on last names, etc. One of the early sections is a meandering description of neolithic cultures in the area where Mairs happen to live today, with no content as to how this milleniae-old history actually ties to the topic. The "Mair Rajputs Today" section, despite the word "today", discusses Egyptian and Medean goldsmiths. It had a massive "See also" of highly tangential articles, a whole section on religions that mentioned the Mair all of once. There's an entire section of explicit WP:OR labeled "More Rajput Clues" which is just some editor making guesses based on similar names, concluding with "Finally, it is a logical conclusion to relate the Merh Sonars of Madhya Pradesh to the Mair Rajputs of Punjab."

Fundamentally, the article had massive amounts of unsubstantiated, and often suspect, information. The entire term "Mair Rajput" gets very few hits on gBooks, which is not a good sign for WP:Notability. Overall, it was just a bad article, and rather than risk it misinforming people, it seemed safest to remove almost all the text and reinsert items as they could be substantiated. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-18T15:09:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-18T15:09:00.000Z-117.195.201.243-2011-09-18T11:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Category:Drum makers, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:35, 18 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-18T18:35:00.000Z","author":"Mercurywoodrose","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mercurywoodrose-2011-09-18T18:35:00.000Z-Categories_for_discussion_nomination_of_Category:Drum_makers","replies":[]}}-->

I don't know why you are giving the wrong information about mukkulathore do you know anything about that community why you are keeping changing all the information about that community and you have removed more information from the wiki.... This is not good dude i don't know what is intention on this.....

Atleast don't change herafter...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praveenvinay (talk • contribs) 13:36, 21 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-21T13:36:00.000Z","author":"Praveenvinay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Praveenvinay-2011-09-21T13:36:00.000Z-Why_you_are_changing_mukkulathore_wiki","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-21T13:40:00.000Z-Praveenvinay-2011-09-21T13:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

If you check out the "History" tab of the article (which particular article are you referring to? Kallar (caste)?) you'll see I give an explanation for each thing I remove, and each thing I add is cited to a WP:Reliable source. Can you let me know specifically what's concerning you? We could also take it up on the Talk page of the article so more people could see the discussion, just let me know which Talk page you're going to post on so I can go reply there. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:40, 21 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-21T13:40:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-21T13:40:00.000Z-Praveenvinay-2011-09-21T13:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-21T14:37:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-21T13:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

While we're asking questions, what evidence do you have to support "Kallar (Tamil: கள்ளர்) meaning 'Greats' in Tamil". Do you have any links to any reliable sources which back up this claim? Not fansites, Facebook, etc. but actual articles by academics? If you have them, you have to provide them, as I've provided a clear cite for the "thief" etymology, and if you simply search "thief kallar" on GoogleBooks you'll see this is frequently mentioned. I'm not saying it's definitely right, but it is an attested theory. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-21T14:37:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-21T14:37:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-21T13:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

See kallar are chola ( Moovendras is calling as mukulathore now ) Please refer purananur and all old tamil history and i hope you heard about ponniyan selvan if not please read that book..... in tamil nadu most of kallar were fight against birtsh governments because of kallar became "theif" in the british rule.... More over kallar are old heritage in india M130 gen has found in kallar caste and it has been proved in london scientied ok So don't change whatever you seen in eyes before change just check and ask from the people from the community I hope u will change it........ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praveenvinay (talk • contribs) 16:16, 21 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-21T16:16:00.000Z","author":"Praveenvinay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Praveenvinay-2011-09-21T16:16:00.000Z-Why_you_are_changing_mukkulathore_wiki","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-21T16:45:00.000Z-Praveenvinay-2011-09-21T16:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Look, all we're asking is that you read and understand Wikipedia:Verifiability. The issue is that you have no provided any sources for your changes, so all we have is "Praveenvinay says so", which isn't something we can base an article on. If you have objections to anything in the article, please go to the article's Talk page and concisely, clearly explain what you want changed/removed/added and why. You must include some kind of sourcing or referencing to a reputable information source for it to be credible. Feel free to post back here with any questions about this process. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-21T16:45:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-21T16:45:00.000Z-Praveenvinay-2011-09-21T16:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I am not able to change with reference.... Please find the below reference and change it....

http://mukkulam-thevarhistory.blogspot.com/2011_09_01_archive.html

History of mukkulathore http://mayadevar.blogspot.com/

Please let me know if you require any more details.... i will give you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praveenvinay (talk • contribs) 13:40, 22 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-22T13:40:00.000Z","author":"Praveenvinay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Praveenvinay-2011-09-22T13:40:00.000Z-Why_you_are_changing_mukkulathore_wiki","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-22T14:15:00.000Z-Praveenvinay-2011-09-22T13:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Greetings, blogs, fansites, etc. do not count as WP:Reliable sources <-- this policy is worth reading if you're looking to narrow down where to look for evidence. The reason for this is that there is no quality control for blogs. For example, if someone has a blog claiming that the Vietnam War was started by America because of Vietnam's offshore oil deposits, and puts it up on vietnamwarforoil.blogspot.com, how are we to know this is accurate? Whereas, if an academic with a PhD is Southeast Asian history writes a book "Causes of the Vietnam War" and it gets published by University of Canberra Press, then both the professional scholar, the university, and the press are staking their reputations on the accuracy of the argument.

So far as changing with references: if you want to add material to an article, find a reference (GoogleBooks.com is one of the easier and more centralised ways to do this) that supports the statement, add the statement to the page, and type <ref> at the start and </ref> at the end of the citation, and it will automatically format as a footnote once you save. If you just past in the URL (http://www...) it will appear just as that, but you can also use the app at reftag.appspot.com to automatically turn any GoogleBooks URL into a proper footnote.

Again, your enthusiasm is great, but materials on Wikipedia must be verifiable by reliable sources, otherwise people would just write down whatever they personally believed in blogs and just cite the blog, and we'd end up with all kinds of inaccurate information. Wikipedia is not about creating new information, it's about compiling knowledge from reliable sources. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-22T14:15:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-22T14:15:00.000Z-Praveenvinay-2011-09-22T13:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I've replied here. Do have a look.-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 03:35, 24 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-24T03:35:00.000Z","author":"Ravichandar84","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ravichandar84-2011-09-24T03:35:00.000Z-Reg._Mukkulathor","replies":[],"displayName":"The Enforcer"}}-->

Greetings, I tried to speak my piece and leave MW an olive branch on his Talk. I and a bunch of other folks who edit Indian caste articles, including folks who've clashed in the past, are sorting things out over at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Varna_status_in_the_lead_of_articles and coming to some agreement. MangoWong, however, continues to loudly insist that Sitush and I are actually ruining caste articles, and when told to take it to ANI he and another disaffected editor insist that ANI is "biased" and they both refuse to go to it (diffs).

If he's going to continue making huge accusations about Sitush and I adding "lies", "defamatory content", etc. but refuses to take it to ANI, what are we supposed to do about it? Evidently Sitush and I are doing something so terribly ungodly and wrong that he's compelled to show up on a large number of caste pages, revert our work, wikilawyer every tiniest point in our edits, while completely failing to help out in any cleanup of blatantly incorrect/POV/uncited text that we few are trying to fix. So basically he's complaining that a crime is being committed, but refuses to go to the police, so he's just going to keep hanging out on the corner and loudly proclaiming that we're criminals? This is simply not a sustainable course of action. I debated putting this on his page, partially because I don't want to fell like I'm narc'ing on someone, but he's already told Sitush not to post on his page, and yells at Q. accusing him of being a "blot" on adminship whenever Q tries to mediate issues on MW's Talk.

Your call as an outsider, but I submit that he either needs to stop insisting that absolute travesties are being committed, or else find, somewhere amongst the DR options, some place where he can actually feel he's getting a fair hearing in "exposing" us. Though part of me suspects that no matter how many uninvolved people tell him he's reading the wrong things into the situation, he'll insist that they're biased Westerners, demand "an Indian admin", when confronted with any of the WP:INDIA Indian editors who disagree with him will claim they're biased in some other way, and will darkly comment upon "someday, when we get enough real Indian editors we'll be able to fix all this biased material..." MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-24T05:43:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-24T05:43:00.000Z-MangoWong_continues_to_make_accusations_but_refuses_to_take_it_to_ANI","replies":["c-Tristessa_de_St_Ange-2011-09-24T16:33:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-24T05:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

I feel this is somewhat like the proverbial situation where a drunk, driving the wrong way down the highway and smashing into other cars continually, hears on the radio that there's a drunk driving the wrong way down the highway causing havoc. He looks out of his windscreen, seeing the cars driving towards him, and mutters to himself, "There's hundreds of them!"

I am absolutely certain that MW is well-meaning and trying to do what he believes to be editorially necessary, and I am also certain that he genuinely believes the WP:INDIA articles have a systemic bias. I believe also he feels, by extension, that since the content (in his eyes) is biased, the editors must be biased also. I tried, as you read, to discuss the issues with him, but his reply was not particularly useful and I really don't think I made any progress whatsoever towards him getting the point. But we must also reflect on the fact that he has resolutely failed to engage in meaningful dialogue with other Wikipedians (including me), that his eccentric interpretation of Wikipedia's policies is largely self-exculpatory and used as a justification for his own efforts, and that the problem is localised to his editing only. Therefore, a cost-benefit analysis is necessary and I believe that a topic ban from the WP:INDIA articles would be appropriate; he has regretfully become a "tendentious editor", irrespective of his ethics and motives.

I suggest that a topic ban is drafted and posted to AN/I for a community vote (this should be noted on the WP:INDIA noticeboard). He is disrupting article progress on a wide diaspora of articles with little net content of his being kept, and is not being productive in this topic area. After he's been forced to edit in other subjects for a while I wonder if he might get the picture a little more, and the ban can of course be reviewed then. --Tristessa (talk) 16:33, 24 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-24T16:33:00.000Z","author":"Tristessa de St Ange","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tristessa_de_St_Ange-2011-09-24T16:33:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-24T05:43:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Tristessa"}}-->

Hi. Don't know if you noticed this, but this editor is currently banned from Wikipedia, so it's unlikely that he can act upon your request.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 20:19, 24 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-24T20:19:00.000Z","author":"ArcAngel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ArcAngel-2011-09-24T20:19:00.000Z-ChristianandJericho","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the editing. Unfortunately, a lot of the of the people making edits think its there job to extol the virtue of their caste grouping, instead of putting down encyclopaedic and verifiable information. --WALTHAM2 (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-27T15:45:00.000Z","author":"WALTHAM2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WALTHAM2-2011-09-27T15:45:00.000Z-Rolled_back_Pasi_(caste)_to_your_last_version","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-27T15:52:00.000Z-WALTHAM2-2011-09-27T15:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Indeed, a lamentable state. My watchlist grows ever-longer though, so I catch a decent number of these as they occur. When a few slip under our radar, like Pasi, I've taken to just tracing the article as far back as needed to find a clean version, copying and bringing forward anything actually good added in the interim, and including those in the reversion. Feel free to ping me if you need any help on cleanups, or have caste-related articles that need more eyes to watch for tampering. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-27T15:52:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-27T15:52:00.000Z-WALTHAM2-2011-09-27T15:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

A recommendation: the next time someone posts more alleged sources or arguments on that article, unless they are actually new and useful, just respond with something like "Already discussed extensively above; please see prior discussions, including in the Archives. If you wish to pursue the matter further, please consult Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, as it is simply unnecessary to re-answer the same questions over and over again." Saves you time and hassle. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:18, 28 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-28T02:18:00.000Z","author":"Qwyrxian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qwyrxian-2011-09-28T02:18:00.000Z-Yadav","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-28T02:24:00.000Z-Qwyrxian-2011-09-28T02:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

I would generally do that, but I think at least one or two of these were new resources. He had run the previous set of references by MW, who told him why each was not usable, but then he came up with these. Always hard to tell who's just an IP who doesn't read Talk and doesn't understand WP, and who's just messing with me. MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-28T02:24:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-28T02:24:00.000Z-Qwyrxian-2011-09-28T02:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sitush-2011-09-29T17:42:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-28T02:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

I must admit to never fully getting to grips woth the Yadav/Yadava arguments, which is why I tend to stay out of them except when the reliability of particular sources are being discussed etc. I will try to do some digging on this issue but, yes, I tend to agree with Qwyrxian: continued engagement regarding what is pretty much all old territory is somewhat pointless. I can't help feeling that there is something a little unusual about this latest spate of IP involvement but it is unlikely that we will ever know. - Sitush (talk) 17:42, 29 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-29T17:42:00.000Z","author":"Sitush","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sitush-2011-09-29T17:42:00.000Z-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-28T02:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I just thought I'd let you know that I say your article E. A. H. Blunt in the New Articles list--However, I think the article seems to contain a few errors: the references in the article do not follow Wikipedia guidelines. There is a tutorial on formatting citations at Wikipedia:Referencing.It would be great if you could also improve the related article Cyclopedia of Western Australia. Amy Z (talk) 20:32, 29 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-29T20:32:00.000Z","author":"Amyxz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amyxz-2011-09-29T20:32:00.000Z-E._A._H._Blunt","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-29T20:47:00.000Z-Amyxz-2011-09-29T20:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Amy Z"}}-->

I'll go work the footnoting style in a bit; you're just referring to the author/publisher/etc. info and its order, yes? Not content errors? And I'm not quite sure how Cyclopedia of Western Australia is related, since I specialise in India topics. But thanks for the heads-up on Blunt. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:47, 29 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-29T20:47:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-29T20:47:00.000Z-Amyxz-2011-09-29T20:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'm surprised that the editors at Wikipedia have allowed the article on Bengali Brahmins to go wild with unsubstantiated claims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Brahmins (Gyanvigyan1 (talk) 06:10, 30 September 2011 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-30T06:10:00.000Z","author":"Gyanvigyan1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gyanvigyan1-2011-09-30T06:10:00.000Z-Hi","replies":["c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-30T14:07:00.000Z-Gyanvigyan1-2011-09-30T06:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

I agree with MangoWong that you would be well within policy to tag material as "citation needed", and then if footnotes are not added within a few weeks, to remove it. If you make substantial removals, I would leave a note on the Talk page basically saying "on X date I came in and removed a large number of uncited claims about A, B, and C for the following reasons..." As you remove, make sure each time you save you include a clear edit summary, something like "Claim regarding 1883 Delhi court case uncited for six months, removing" or "Point re: involvement in mining industry not supported by given footnote, removing". Not a requirement, but I would suggest you make some attempt to add citations if the data is actually plausible yet uncited, as there may certainly be very true things that simply don't have cites, and it would better to improve the article vice simply reducing it. But removing clearly incorrect or highly controversial but uncited data is still a step in the right direction. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:07, 30 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-30T14:07:00.000Z","author":"MatthewVanitas","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MatthewVanitas-2011-09-30T14:07:00.000Z-Gyanvigyan1-2011-09-30T06:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for uploading File:Ashraf Ali Thanvi.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk) 06:48, 8 October 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-08T06:48:00.000Z","author":"Skier Dude","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Skier_Dude-2011-10-08T06:48:00.000Z-Orphaned_non-free_image_File:Ashraf_Ali_Thanvi.JPG","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! Kindly check this out. Most of it is nonsense.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 17:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-09T17:24:00.000Z","author":"Ravichandar84","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ravichandar84-2011-10-09T17:24:00.000Z-Nagarathar","replies":[],"displayName":"Ravi"}}-->

Would you like to weigh in at the discussion in Talk:India on some 40 odd images? I know that's a lot, but a simple Yes/No would be adequate. Of course, if you choose to comment at more length, it would be even better. The India page is now the second most-viewed country page (after the US) and the 15th page overall, so having a set of high quality representative pictures becomes even more imperative. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:56, 13 October 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-13T16:56:00.000Z","author":"Fowler&fowler","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fowler&fowler-2011-10-13T16:56:00.000Z-Weigh_in?","replies":[]}}-->

I'm not sure if Karanam is on your watchlist still or not, but I just came across it accidentally (I was cleaning up See Also links on Kayastha). While sometimes I just ignore problems with pages I encounter cursorily...wow is that page a problem. I put a serious challenge at the bottom of the talk page, because, as far as I can tell that article currently has no sources, even though sources were discussed extensively on the talk page. I only glanced at the talk page (an OTRS report!) before making my "source it or lose it" challenge, and now after looking at it in more detail, I see that you were involved in previous discussions. In any event, you may want to weigh in on my challenge there...no hurry, as I said I'd wait at least a few weeks, and, knowing me, I'll likely forget about it for a few months before it just pops back up to shock me. But my opinion is (as I think you know), I'd rather have an unsourced stub that might be true than a 21K article with no sources of completely questionable veracity. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-18T03:16:00.000Z","author":"Qwyrxian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qwyrxian-2011-10-18T03:16:00.000Z-Karanam","replies":[]}}-->

I come in peace now. But maybe you didnt read my reply on the convo you started. That could easily happen if you forgot to watch my talk-page. But as i will surely like to keep that conversation moving in a positive useful direction, i am here to remind you of it. Take your time. No rush! - Animeshkulkarni (talk) 12:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-19T12:42:00.000Z","author":"Animeshkulkarni","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Animeshkulkarni-2011-10-19T12:42:00.000Z-Hi!","replies":[]}}-->

There seems to be a lot confussion on the actual connection between the Aheer tribe of the Thal Desert and the Pothohar region and the Ahir or Yadav caste of North India. This tribe is actually known as Heer or to in some cases also Porawal. Rose refers to it at page 331 of his glossary calling them Her or Aher. Ibbetson at page 122 of his census report acknowledges that the Aher as he spelt it, are Aher Jats and not Ahir (his spelling) by caste. They are apparently one of the original tribes of Jats. It depends on the dialect of Punjabi, those of central Punjab always call themselves as Heer, or while in the Lahnda (Mianwali Thalochi, Shahpuri and Pothohari) areas they are known as Aheers, while many Sikh Heer prefer the name Porawal. Not sure why they call themselves Porawal. At page 368 of Rose's Glossary on origins of the Jat tribe, he clearly refers to the fact that Heer or Aheer claim descent from Qutabshah, the supposed ancestor of the Awan and Khokhar and tribe, and those in Gujar Khan area of Rawalpindi claim to be an Awan clan. The Mianwali and Shahpur gazetteers (will provide references when I have time) also refer to the Aheer, spelt Ahir though, as an ordinary tribe of Punjabi Musalmans. In J M Wikely's book at page 112 he refers to the Ahir as clan classified as Muslim Jat. Curiously, he gives a separate entry for the Heer. The Sikh Hayer might also be the same clan. Having personally known a few Aheers, they tend to be split between the Qutubshah or Jat origin. Obviously, I cannot use them as source. However, what I can say with some certainty is that I cannot find any reference in connecting them to Ahir or Yadav caste. I also know that there is an Urdu book written about Gen Naseem Aheer, Zia's Interior Minister (spelt his name as Aheer), will try to get hold of it, who has claimed Rajput origin. The famous Aheer family of Khushab, to which he belonged to claim a Rajput origin, but none of the British sources refer to a Rajput origin, actually saying that Aher are orignally Jat, together with the Maan (spelt as Man in all the British sources but now changed to the phonetically correct Maan) and Bhullar. This tribe is clearly not Muslim Ahirs, although there are groups of Ahir descent among the Muslim community (such as the Gaddi caste of North India), but this tribe is not one of them. Nor can I find any connection with the famous Rao family of Rewari. I am quite happy to re-write the article, based on the four sources referred to, and hopefully cleared the confusion. Trying hard to get hold of Naseem Aheers book, as it would provide an update.

--WALTHAM2 (talk) 00:36, 23 October 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-23T00:36:00.000Z","author":"WALTHAM2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WALTHAM2-2011-10-23T00:36:00.000Z-Aheer_is_a_Jat_tribe_and_not_Muslim_Aheers","replies":[]}}-->

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject India for a Signpost article to coincide with WikiConference India next month. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or the interviewer, Belugaboy. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 03:42, 27 October 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-27T03:42:00.000Z","author":"Mabeenot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mabeenot-2011-10-27T03:42:00.000Z-WP_India_in_the_Signpost","replies":[]}}-->

Category:Pocketknives, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 11:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-28T11:44:00.000Z","author":"Thumperward","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thumperward-2011-10-28T11:44:00.000Z-Categories_for_discussion_nomination_of_Category:Pocketknives","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)"}}-->

I would like to point out that the article "Reddy" is a bunch of manufactured lies, falsehoods and a mega exercise in self-glorification. Reddy is a sub-group of Kapus, few of whom became village heads carying the title "Reddy". It is not a caste or varna. In fact, the title 'Reddy' is shared by other social groups of A.P., although not in large numbers. The so-called Reddy dynasty was imaginary. Ruling a few districts for 70 or 80 years does not make one Dynastical. Absolutely ridiculous and fraudulent!! The map covering entire caostal Andhra depicted as 'Reddy dynasty' is another great travesty of historical truth. Please take corrective measues right now. Protect the sanctity of Wiki from history manufacturers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.206.236.4 (talk) 12:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-11-07T12:21:00.000Z","author":"117.206.236.4","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-117.206.236.4-2011-11-07T12:21:00.000Z-Fake_History","replies":[]}}-->

Hi MatthewVanitas,

Since you were a part of the WikiGuides project, I thought I'd give you a heads-up about a new way you can help/mentor newbies on en.wiki: we've recently released a feature called the Feedback Dashboard, a queue that updates in real time with feedback and editing questions from new registered contributors who have attempted to make at least one edit. Steven Walling and I are putting together a task force for experienced Wikipedians who might be interested in monitoring the queue and responding to the feedback: details are here at Wikipedia:Feedback Dashboard. Please sign up if you're interested in helping out! Thanks, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-11-07T21:58:00.000Z","author":"Maryana (WMF)","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maryana_(WMF)-2011-11-07T21:58:00.000Z-Feedback_Dashboard_task_force","replies":[]}}-->

Hello again. You may rember a edit war over Criticism of Twelver Shi'ism some time ago. Well yesterday i added a new criticism that was suggested on the discussion page on nikah mutah. This is a big source of criticism for twelvers. I gave good intellectual sources that clearly mentioned it was critidism. But a sectarian editor has removed it the next day. I remember you are a respected editor who had could make both sides agree. Could you please have a look at the edit to settle the problem. I think you will dind that there is no readon to remove it.Suenahrme (talk) 00:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-11-08T00:24:00.000Z","author":"Suenahrme","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Suenahrme-2011-11-08T00:24:00.000Z-Regarding_Criticism_of_Twelver_Shi'ism","replies":[]}}-->

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The article List of Kunbi people has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

all the names on this list were unsourced and were in violation of blp.there is also list of maratha people which has similar names.this is conflicting.if their kunbi status can be verified please add the names and recreate this list.otherwise add them in the main article of the etnicity with sources

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if there are any notable ror people with reference we can add them in the notable ror section(create if not) of the main article.if the list becomes too long.we can recreate this list.delete for now.it is blank

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Menon is a title of nair caste.we already have a list of nair page so unrequired

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if there are mali people notable enough with references we can add that in the mali caste main article.if the list becomes long we can recreate this page.delete for now

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The article List of Vishwakarma has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

no names left delete.because were unsourced.some sources used do not verify caste status.

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