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Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

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Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

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• Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now. Go here to see how: 📲Try Edit Cards.
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• Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor? We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
• Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use.  The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

• Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019. They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space. Talk to them about how editing can be improved.
• Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

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PPelberg (WMF) (talk) and Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

14:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi there. Today I ran into another Translink URL problem like I did late last year. When doing an external link search for http://jp.translink.com.au/travel-information/network-information/stops-and-stations/stop I found over 400 links that no longer work. I have fixed about 20 and will do the others as I get time. I fixed one link in Springfield Lakes, Queensland where I also fixed two dead links to archived ones but there is one link which I think you inserted in 2015 to https://data.qld.gov.au/dataset/queensland-globe which no longer works but has since been changed but still does seem to give a satisfactory reference. Do you have any idea what it should be? Fleet Lists (talk) 09:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Fleet Lists: I can (probably) fix these using AutoWikiBrowser to save you some work. Is this the replacement link https://jp.translink.com.au/plan-your-journey/stops/ ? Do you think we should be looking to use a template here as this kind of change is likely to happen again? Something like {{translink|wacol-station}} ? I will sort out the Queensland Globe URLs (I now use a template but obviously forget to clean up the old ones). Kerry (talk) 09:52, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond:If you could do that, that would be great, Yes that is the replacement link. I will hold off doing anymore for the time being and can insert it later in the ones I have already done. Thanks again. Fleet Lists (talk) 10:05, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Fleet Lists: OK, but I am not sure if you want it with a template or without? Kerry (talk) 10:17, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond:I would suggest with a template.Fleet Lists (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

OK. I will try and work on it later today. Kerry (talk) 20:17, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond:I had added some test links to my sandbox User:Fleet Lists/sandbox which earlier were not working but they now seem to be working OK which looks great. Thank You. I just noticed you have just started to do a few stations which have popped in my watchlist. Fleet Lists (talk) 07:14, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

@Fleet Lists: Yes, I had a really stupid bug in my initial template that added "1.", which you probably saw. The template seems to be working now. I am now trying to setup AutoWikiBrowser to change the old URLs into the templates. That part of the process is going OK, but the problem is that some of them have {{webarchive ...}} templates for the old url that have to be removed and that is proving trickier, so I am still experimenting with getting that right. Kerry (talk) 07:19, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

@Fleet Lists:I think I have now replaced all instances of the old URLs and the new URLs that you manually updated with the template. I have cleaned up the inappropriate webarchive (some done automatically, some were just too tricky and I did them manually). If you see any other examples I have missed or got wrong, let me know. Kerry (talk) 09:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond:Fantastic. I cant see any missing ones off the cuff. There were about about 140 links already using the new URL and I had only dome less than 40 so there were more than 100 that were already in the new format especially a lot of the ferry ones. If I do find the odd one I can fix that myself but I have got something else I have to get into for the rest of the night.Fleet Lists (talk) 09:24, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Do you have any opinion on my comments in Talk:Canberra#Demographics where originally there was just a separate article on demographics Demographics of Canberra which was linked to from Canberra and Australian Capital Territory but has recently been copied into the other two articles so that all information is now present in three places. I have had no luck getting the editor concerned to reverse that approach. I dont believe it should all be there three times - as time goes on they will develop differently Fleet Lists (talk) 04:12, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kerry, I saw that you reinstated an edit that had been reverted, here: [1]. The edit was made by Special:Contributions/202.53.36.85. Probably you weren't aware, but if you look at their edit history it's obviously the same person who has been disruptively changing "History" sections, "Heritage listings", and adding unsourced material that's often a copyright violation.

It's good that you found citations for the information. On the other hand, I would be wary of encouraging them to continue editing and adding this kind of material by helping to source it, etc. It's up to you, but I would just say to keep an eye out for similar unsourced and poorly-worded contributions in History sections. According to WP:BMB, we should weigh the value of any particular seemingly-helpful edit, versus the damage done overall to Wikipedia by allowing a blocked/banned editor to edit as a sockpuppet. In general it's expected that such an editor "may not edit at all, even if the edits seem good."

If it comes from this person, but you really want to keep it, and you will take responsibility for the content, you can. I'd suggest at least re-writing it in your own words though. For example, in the above edit, the sentence doesn't make sense grammatically. I don't want to interfere in any way with your editing, just wanted to let you know. Thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 11:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@IamNotU: I didn't realise who it was. I just thought it was a good faith newbie who didn't know that they needed to cite and/or how to cite. But I agree with you, we don't want to reward sockpuppets. I'll roll it back. Kerry (talk) 12:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

That's what I thought, no worries... I've been rolling back a lot of their edits, and once in a while I do leave something, like today where they had corrected the alphabetical order of a list - kind of hard to argue with that, or revert it. But in general I've been undoing everything. Their patterns are pretty obvious to me now, and adding an unsourced sentence or two about the origin story of an Australian place or place-name to the "History" section is very typical, as is the use of rather bad English. Again, just wanted to let you know, thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 15:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Very much for your article tagging for the Australian project of the dmy and engvar items, it is much appreciated JarrahTree 10:53, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

and to labour the point, the australian project has not had such a thorough and dedicated going through as you have done in main space, it has always been so piecemeal usually, it is something that raises the appearance of the project that is cared for, and not neglected. JarrahTree 12:10, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

coulda shoulda put the deleted dates onto the UseAE for continuity of original dates thing Dave Rave (talk) 23:32, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I had wondered about that myself so I looked at the documentation. {{Use Australian English}} says "Month and year added" and lists the default as current date. {{EngvarB}} says "Month and year the template was added" and {{Use British English}} says "Month and year the article was checked for language consistency with British spelling". In an ideal world, this family of templates would all say exactly the same thing, but nonetheless they all seem to indicate it is the date someone made a determination on the appropriate kind of and English and added the corresponding template. So I used the current date as that's when I made the determination. Where I find articles which are already have Use Australian English *and* one of EngvarB or Use British English (and there's still about 300 of them to be individually checked if you want to help, I can send you a list), I simply delete the less appropriate template and leave the more appropriate template with its original date. Kerry (talk) 00:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit on Narrabri, and for the reason. (I did put in a great many OSM maps showing boundaries at one point when I was particularly enthusiastic about places.) I do hope they get working again, (preferably soon) as a place is not a point. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:50, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

@MargaretRDonald: Unfortunately these OSM maps just dont seem to display reliably. My guess is that we have so many layers of data dependency that something is timing out and the coords sent for mapping are defaulted to 0,0 which is then correctly displayed as a chunk of the Atlantic Ocean (if you zoom out the map, you see the west coast of Africa). Kerry (talk) 21:08, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Wunderbar. (Pity.) Thanks for the further explanation. MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:02, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

The French have a nice template for galleries {{Modềle:Message gallerie}} which, when inserted at the top of a gallery of images, produces a little "i" logo, together with the message "Cliquez sur une vignette pour l'aggrandir" (click on an image to enlarge it). See fr:Scaevola_plumieri I think it would be nice to have a corresponding template in enwiki. (It was only when I started to edit wikipedia that I realised that the photos could really be looked at and were not the tiny images which appeared on the page.) It seemed to me that you would know how to do this (although you might well not think it worthwhile?) MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:48, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

English Wikipedia doesn't really like galleries, see WP:GALLERY. I think you are right about being technically feasible but i am less sure about gaining consensus. Kerry (talk) 04:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm User:Sparticusmaximus. I have an interest in corruption and misconduct in local government and I have the goal of more comprehensively documenting their associated criminal charges and convictions in Queensland (piecemeal at the moment, but something I would like do more of as I get the time). You recently left a message on my user page that you had removed some of my recent edits to Paul Pisasale as you claimed they "seem to be defamatory or libellous". I disagree. The facts added to the page were widely reported in the national press as evidenced by the reference included. My edits did not claim he committed these acts, only that he has been charged and committed to stand trial for them. These are facts, and describing them are neither defamatory nor libelous. I have therefore restored these facts to the article and added additional references from reliable sources in support. Sparticusmaximus (talk) 22:02, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Kerry Raymond. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Lin Li".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:16, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello Kerry, thanks for your assistance and encouragement when I was writing the Hugh Scott (architect) page which has now been published. My question relates to the inclusion of Hugh Scott in a number of categories (including Australian Architects, Belfast-born architects, etc.). These inclusions have been entered using Hugh as the surname rather than Scott (they are incorrectly filed under H). I had a look at how I might correct this but the going got tough. Is there an easy way to do this or can I call on assistance from somewhere? Thanks in anticipation. Sarimarais (talk) 03:13, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sarimarais: I've fixed this by adding the Sort coding to the article. @Kerry Raymond: I hope you don't mind my doing this on your behalf. Oronsay (talk) 08:34, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm updating the outreach:Wikipedian_in_Residence and automating it with wikidata (in progress). Could you check that your wikidata item is up to date?

I've also created a wikidata item Craig Franklin (Q69457726). Feel free to populate it with any relevant information. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 06:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

18:49, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I have been replacing maps, as you suggested, where I have a heritage photo to replace them with.

I have been looking at the article Coxs River track. The Heritage article is pathetic and this has, in turn, led to an inadequate Wikipedia article. Pleas take a look at the talk page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coxs_River_track. I don't know what can be done about the article. Collywolly (talk) 02:34, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

I notice that Commons has page images of Bradley's Journal. The State Library of New South Wales, where the images came from, also has page images of the drawings in the Journal and a transcription of the Journal. Getting them into Wikicommons and Wikisource is a bit beyond me so I have provided external links on Bradley's Wikipedia page. Perhaps you, or someone you know would be interested in the job. Collywolly (talk) 03:27, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry to have sent you this. I've worked it out and I will put it all online. Collywolly (talk) 02:44, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey Kerry! I saw your add to Health care in Australia about the Royal Flying Doctors Service and Heart of Australia, as well as your move from it being under the NGO section to Issues. It's really great, but I do think that it's more appropriate under the NGO heading not "issues" (it's not an issue per se, it's more just a characteristic of health care in regional and rural Australia). I hope you don't mind, but I've moved it back to the NGO heading ItsPugle (talk) 00:05, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

@ItsPugle: Thanks for that. I hadn't realised that the "Rural and remote health care" section was within "Issues". I agree it's better in the NGO section. Kerry (talk) 00:16, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks for understanding :) ItsPugle (talk) 00:41, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kerry, I just upgraded the above article to reflect that the national park had been abolished prior to 2011. I also replaced a redirect Blue Lake (Queensland) with an article made of content removed from the national park 's article. Can you please have a look at both of these articles? In particular, can you please find an official source for the abolition and can you please add the relevant categories to the Blue Lake National Park. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 07:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

@Cowdy001: I found the official anouncement of the new national park in 2011 (which I've added as a citation) but nothing that mentioned the Blue Lake NP being included (other than the existing citation on the parks website saying it's now part of the new NP). But equally I found nobody saying it was "abolished" which is fair enough as that pretty clearly that didn't happen as The Blue Lake NP presumably remained protected throughout the whole process, just transitioning to the larger NP, so I rewrote both articles to remove the "abolish" in favour of being now part of the larger NP since we do have a source for that at least. I didn't find anything in the legislation nor in the Qld Govt Gazette about either national park in the 2011-2012 period. Not sure where else to look. Kerry (talk) 08:35, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 08:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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SOrry about that - I'd assumed wrongly that "localities" was equivalent to "places", rather than being a technical term! Should have checked. Don't know why I put it on my watchlist after stub-sorting it 7 years ago - this often happens if I create the talk page by adding project banners, but not this time. Ah well. Will un-watch now anyway. PamD 09:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

@PamD: No worries. The problem is that a lot of the earlier content for Queensland geography is very sloppy using terms like locality, suburb, town almost interchangeably (despite those terms having precise meanings in our state) and often uncited too so I am trying to clean things up to use the terminology more precisely and with citations to the only authoritative source (the Qld Govt place name database). Kerry (talk) 11:48, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kerry

thanks for the message - yes I do not have a clue what I am doing - total newbie on Wiki and they probably should not have let me on. I am an authority on The Woodford Academy though and I started to edit the page (with citations) until I realised the scope of the corrections was too and I was not conversant enough with Wiki protocol to continue. I am now discussing updates with the Office of Environment & Heritage as it is the primary source of the Wiki article. Once that is in place I will revisit the Wiki page and update it with appropriate and correct sources. Thank you for your information

Cheers Kat13v (talk) 04:17, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kat13v: OK, let me know if I can help. Kerry (talk) 04:23, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

15:02, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I think you've done something strange with the school addition there (copy/paste typo?). Hard to sort out without your book source. The Drover's Wife (talk) 06:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

@The Drover's Wife: Thanks, I've fixed it now. As you guessed it was a copy/paste botch of some generated text that misgenerated because the school opened and closed twice (which is not the normal case). Kerry (talk) 23:12, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, Someone has proposed merging these articles. In my opinion they are OK as they are and serve different purposes. I was tempted to remove the request for merge on both pages but didn't want to upset anybody. Could you tell me if there is a way to resolve the request? Thanks. Collywolly (talk)collywolly

@Collywolly and The Drover's Wife: I went to see who had added the merge tags and it turns out it was me! I have removed them as both articles have been further developed since then and the different focus of the two is now much clearer. Kerry (talk) 22:13, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Of course I didn't look to see who added the merge suggestion, or I would have approached you differently. I noticed the merge suggestion when I was looking at providing a photo for Broughton Hall and realised that I was in the middle of a can of worms, as Broughton Hall was part of the Callan Park Hospital and Callan Park had become more than the hospital. I'm glad you noticed that the focus has changed because I have tried to add some information to achieve that, after I worked it all out myself. Have a new year filled with fun! Collywolly (talk)collywolly

Hi Kerry

I agree with your observations. However, I think the description needs to be a bit more specific than just (eg) "Northern Queensland" (which may be construed as not including FNQ). So I have attempted to achieve the best compromise result from what is presently available on Wikipedia.

Even in a jurisdiction with clear legislated regions, such as WA, there are still issues, eg that the government regional boundaries do not coincide with the diocesan boundaries, and that North West Australia strictly includes the northern part of the Goldfields-Esperance region, but it seems that there are no Anglican parishes there. Bahnfrend (talk) 07:51, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

@Bahnfeld: I realise that regions are more formalised in WA which is why I wondered if you realised the Qld's were largely ad hoc. I don't have an issue with the names themselves ("North Queensland", "Far North Queensland" etc are generally understood in a vague "wave your hand around a map in a general area" sort of way) but when you started talking about the northern part of some region as if this was a well-defined thing, I became a bit nervous about that level of precision being meaningful. Kerry (talk) 08:04, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello Kerry. Thank you for your interest in this article. Please revisit your edits made yesterday and ensure they say what you intended them to say. At one place there appears to be duplication: “he he found the body ...”. In another place there may be words missing: “Then O’Reilly found crash with the two survivors were waiting ...”. Thanks. Dolphin (t) 21:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kerry, is Mer Island, Queensland the same as Murray Island, Queensland? One could be the locality and one the island I suppose—the multiple names are no help! They are both listed as localities in the Torres Strait Region template but as far as I can tell they are the same island. What do you think? --Canley (talk) 01:45, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

@Canley: Welcome to the naming of islands in the Torres Strait! Each island can be named as an island, as a locality, as a town, as an island group, and for each of these geographic types, there can potentially be a European name and an Indigenous name. And Indigenous names can have muliple alternative spellings. So Mer Island and Murray Island are both the same and different, depending on how you think about it. It is gazetted as the Murray Islands (island group), Mer/Maer/Merr Island (island), Murray Island (town), and Mer Island (locality). We write Wikipedia articles about all 4 geographic entities. As a Qld LGA template, {{Torres Strait Island Region}} contains all town, suburb and locality names (but not island and island groups and other natural features). Hence there are two entries in the navbox for Mer Island (the locality) and Murray Island (the town). That would be so whether they are the same article (i.e. one is a redirect for the other) or different articles. Generally I would expect the article to mention the other names for the other geographic features, but I see in this case the two articles don't qctually reference each other which I will fix. Kerry (talk) 04:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Thought it might be something like that! --Canley (talk) 04:24, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

perhaps this thread will archived, hence please see https://leela52452.gitlab.io/16.html

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Kerry.

Sorry to bother you, but do you know any Queenslander wikipedian who might be able to help fill in a gap I have with this in regard to how Queensland does it. As far as I can tell QLD only issues fire bans. It does not have periods of low risk when no permit is required, periods declared of higher fire risk during which permits are required, independently of fire bans, as do all the other states. Or is that just how QLD does it? Regards. Aoziwe (talk) 09:25, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@Aoziwe: Not a topic I know much about, but my scan of various websites suggests you are correct about fire bans being the tool of choice and that their scope is generally a local government area. I suspect due to the range of climates across Queensland, it might be difficult to define a state-wide period of low risk, etc. Qld had bushfires, flooding rain (south-east) and cyclones (far north) concurrently last week! These are the only things I could find that might be relevant:

• Fire Bans and Restrictions
• Permit to light fires

Kerry (talk) 23:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Kerry. I found the first one and found something very similar to the second.

Yes the weather is truly weird. The day the fire storms ripped through NE NSW a some weeks ago, I was driving through falling snow down here!

Regards. Aoziwe (talk) 11:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)