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Hello - hope you're enjoying your holiday. I've reverted a number of edits at Persian Gulf naming dispute to restore the article to a state before vandalism. Unfortunately that means your edit here has been reverted for which I apologise, and hope you can reapply your work. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:20, 5 May 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-05-05T05:20:00.000Z","author":"Shhhnotsoloud","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shhhnotsoloud-2017-05-05T05:20:00.000Z-Persian_Gulf_naming_dispute","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-05-17T10:49:00.000Z-Shhhnotsoloud-2017-05-05T05:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi, thanks for letting me know. I have reapplied the date fixes to the latest version of the article. Keith D (talk) 10:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-05-17T10:49:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-05-17T10:49:00.000Z-Shhhnotsoloud-2017-05-05T05:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Another "Yorkshire-ish" page for you to please check RE my recent edits. I think that ref 14 - the book which is the same as ref number 1 - should have an IBSN number. Thanks as usual.

02:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

21:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

22:08, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello! I am notifying interested projects and editors that I've listed Abu Eesa Niamatullah for discussion at AfD, and you were listed on the revision history page.

I invite you to contribute to the discussion. Mujaddouda (talk) 23:35, 28 May 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-05-28T23:35:00.000Z","author":"Mujaddouda","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mujaddouda-2017-05-28T23:35:00.000Z-Abu_Eesa_Niamatullah","replies":[]}}-->

Please check my recent additions if you are able. Thanks as always Teddy

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Hi Keith; hope the time away has been good. Don't know is this is an issue or not but all the maps for Yorkshire are out of date, specifically they should have a blue line running up them to show that the A1(M) will be fully open this summer (some parts are already being used). I am assuming the maps are transcluded, but I don't know if this is an issue or not, or indeed to whom I should be reporting it to. See Settle for an example. Thanks Keith and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 22:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-02T22:10:00.000Z","author":"The joy of all things","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-06-02T22:10:00.000Z-Updated_maps","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-06-03T19:59:00.000Z-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-06-02T22:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi, had a good break but will take me some time to catch up. Thinking about it the East Riding of Yorkshire maps are also out of date as the B1244 was reclassified as A1035 in 2013, there is also a new Beverley northern by-pass that opened earlier this year which is missing from the maps but that is not on the OS maps as yet. Nilfanion (talk · contribs) created the maps from the OS OpenData information may be you could ask them to see if an update can be done. Keith D (talk) 19:59, 3 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-03T19:59:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-03T19:59:00.000Z-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-06-02T22:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 110 - June 2017 May issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the one hundredth and nintenth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 13,279 last month to 13,303 on 2nd June). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 139 is ahead of WP:GM who have 85. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 62 out of a total number of 3,842 articles. 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21:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

19:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Please Keith can you replace the photo file that was removed 5 edits ago by the editor esmgee. This is an important and very popular article with strong Yorkshire references. Thanks as usual. Ted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.69.169 (talk) 12:37, 8 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-08T12:37:00.000Z","author":"101.182.69.169","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-101.182.69.169-2017-06-08T12:37:00.000Z-Family_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge","replies":[]}}-->

15:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi!

Mbokani isn't a player of Olympiacos F.C. yet. According to Greek media he's on a plane to Greece in order to discuss his transfer to the club. Because of this various IP's and some users adding him to the club or even changing his stats. Pavlos1988 (talk) 18:44, 18 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-18T18:44:00.000Z","author":"Pavlos1988","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pavlos1988-2017-06-18T18:44:00.000Z-Dieumerci_Mbokani","replies":[]}}-->

15:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Removing a G12 because it's been previously prodded? Also, FWIW, I went back on my own A7, because I figured I would give someone else the chance to look at it, who might be more "hip" and know whether it could be saved. TimothyJosephWood 17:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T17:53:00.000Z","author":"Timothyjosephwood","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Timothyjosephwood-2017-06-20T17:53:00.000Z-I'm_confused","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-06-20T17:56:00.000Z-Timothyjosephwood-2017-06-20T17:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

It looked as though there had been a previous speedy deletion of A7 and as there is supposed to only be a single speedy on an article I removed the subsequent tag. Keith D (talk) 17:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T17:56:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-20T17:56:00.000Z-Timothyjosephwood-2017-06-20T17:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Chrissymad-2017-06-20T18:00:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-20T17:56:00.000Z","c-Timothyjosephwood-2017-06-20T18:02:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-20T17:56:00.000Z","c-Waggie-2017-06-20T18:06:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-20T17:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Keith D What do you mean one single speedy on an article? An article can and should be tagged with multiple criteria if it fits and while I'm not contesting a non-deletion on a 50% copyvio, I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Articles can and are speedied repeatedly. It's one of many reasons we have {{salt}}.CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T18:00:00.000Z","author":"Chrissymad","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chrissymad-2017-06-20T18:00:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-20T17:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

(edit conflict)I... I'm pretty sure you're confusing PROD and CSD. An article can be tagged for as many CSD criteria as it's eligible for. And even if A7 had been declined (instead of me really just "passing" by removing my own tag after having second thoughts), having an A7 declined doesn't really reflect on whether it's eligible for other criteria, and definitely not one with legal implications like G12.

PROD is the one that can be challenged by anyone, even the creator, and it shouldn't be readded, but that's only another PROD, and itself doesn't affect CSD or BLPPROD at all. TimothyJosephWood 18:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T18:02:00.000Z","author":"Timothyjosephwood","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Timothyjosephwood-2017-06-20T18:02:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-20T17:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

(edit conflict)Huh? Articles get tagged (appropriately) with multiple CSD criteria all the time. Also, removing a copyvio tag without removing the related copyvio? I'm also very confused. I think you goofed, it's OK, mistakes happen. Waggie (talk) 18:06, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T18:06:00.000Z","author":"Waggie","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Waggie-2017-06-20T18:06:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-20T17:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-06-20T18:11:00.000Z-Waggie-2017-06-20T18:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

You are right it is PROD that is only a single event which is what I was alluding to in the edit summary. Sorry I was not thinking straight, as I keep loosing the connection at the moment, will reverse. Keith D (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T18:11:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-20T18:11:00.000Z-Waggie-2017-06-20T18:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Timothyjosephwood-2017-06-20T18:17:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-20T18:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Umm... assuming Chrissy was successful in removing the bit that was copyrvio, it's not exactly eligible for G12 any more, since that requires no non-infringing content on the page worth saving. I think the most it needs right now is a revdel of everything from this edit backward. Unless I'm missing something, the article's probably gonna stick, unless someone who knows more about it than I wants to go to AfD, but looking around the web, I have my doubts. TimothyJosephWood 18:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Timothyjosephwood","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Timothyjosephwood-2017-06-20T18:17:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-20T18:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

"Timothyjosephwood I'd say this is a pretty decent G11 candidate but I cba to deal with it at the moment. Also worth noting the creator's username + record label name... CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T18:22:00.000Z","author":"Chrissymad","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chrissymad-2017-06-20T18:22:00.000Z-I'm_confused","replies":["c-Waggie-2017-06-20T18:27:00.000Z-Chrissymad-2017-06-20T18:22:00.000Z","c-Keith_D-2017-06-20T18:29:00.000Z-Chrissymad-2017-06-20T18:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Possibly G11. The creator has been recently warned (by myself) for COI editing. Let's let the dust settle a bit before continuing, though, please. I'm sure the editor is confused and upset right now. I say we give them a chance to improve it further before tagging it with anything else. Waggie (talk) 18:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T18:27:00.000Z","author":"Waggie","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Waggie-2017-06-20T18:27:00.000Z-Chrissymad-2017-06-20T18:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have removed the restored G12 and redacted the text of the earlier revisions. Hope that sorts it for now. Keith D (talk) 18:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-20T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-20T18:29:00.000Z-Chrissymad-2017-06-20T18:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith. I have revamped Salt End because there were tags stating citations were needed and also because most of the information was hideously out of date. However, I noticed that I had left some typos behind and I cleaned up after myself, but there's a good chance I have missed some. Could you swing by when you have time? Thanks and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 15:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-22T15:04:00.000Z","author":"The joy of all things","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-06-22T15:04:00.000Z-Salt_End","replies":[]}}-->

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Dear Keith, I see you started Kilnsea and I'm wondering if you know anything about the Church of St Helen there? I found it [42] while doing a Geograph search for something else entirely. It certainly looks like Burges's work, but I can't find it in J. Mordaunt Crook, who is rarely in error. However, the 2005 Pevsner/Neave Yorkshire:East Riding says "Built at a cost of £420, of which £150 was contributed by 'Mr A. Burgess, a civil engineer of London'. The plans were provided free by his two sons - one of whom was the architect William Burges." I can't find it on the Historic England site, though it must be listed if it is Burges. Google suggests that it's now a private house, and may have fallen into the sea! I'd be fascinated to know anything about it and could add it to the List of buildings by William Burges. Thanks in anticipation. KJP1 (talk) 12:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-25T12:41:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2017-06-25T12:41:00.000Z-St_Helen's_Church,_Kilnsea","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-06-25T13:59:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-25T12:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi, I cannot find any details of it being listed - the only listed structure in Kinlsea appears to be the Acoustic Mirror. The previous church is the one that fell in to the sea, this one was built to replace it. The account of the consecration in the York Herald, 29 April 1865 page 9, says "Burgess, Esquire, C.E., Blackheath, Kent, who contributed £150, and the designs, plans, and specifications for the buildings". The church was still standing in 2015 when I took a couple of photos of it and it is not that near the sea to have fallen in to it. I suspect that the pub and the road would go first. It was de-consecrated in the 1990s and looked rather overgrown and unused in 2015 so may have since been converted into a residence. Keith D (talk) 13:59, 25 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-25T13:59:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-25T13:59:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-25T12:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2017-06-25T16:43:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-25T13:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks indeed. It is fascinating - I cannot work out what he was doing in that remote part of Yorkshire, why his father should have made a significant donation, why we don't know who the patrons were and why Crook doesn't mention it. One would think there may be some connection with Bewholme Vicarage, they're too close for coincidence. His big Yorkshire patron was Ripon. Were they Ripon livings perhaps? Definitely worth some further investigation. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-25T16:43:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KJP1-2017-06-25T16:43:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-25T13:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-06-25T18:35:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-25T16:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Here is another snippet that may throw some light on it from the Yorkshire Gazette - Saturday 22 April 1865 page 4 "But the great liberality of Mr. A. Burgess C.E., of Blackheath, who having occasionally passed the place on his professional visits to Spurn Point and struck with the poverty of the place, having heard that an effort was being made for building a church, most kindly offered plans free of all expense, and gave £150 towards its completion;" Keith D (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-25T18:35:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-25T18:35:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-25T16:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-06-25T18:47:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-25T18:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Keith (Talk page stalker) - still have you on my watchlist after my request about Salt End (thanks for tidying that BTW). KJP1 - I had seen some stuff when I was re-writing the Yorkshire Coast article; there is a pastscape listing^[1] and also a book listing which suggests the church has an octagonal font.^[2] Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-25T18:47:00.000Z","author":"The joy of all things","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-06-25T18:47:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-06-25T18:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

All very helpful. So, is the answer that Burges Sr, visiting Spurn Point for his engineering work (what were Walker and Burges doing there?), gets his sons (?) to draw up the plans and chips in £150? Did Burges Jr ever actually go there? All very interesting and certainly worth some more digging. Thanks to you both and best regards. KJP1 (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-25T20:32:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2017-06-25T20:32:00.000Z-St_Helen's_Church,_Kilnsea","replies":["c-KJP1-2017-06-26T08:14:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-25T20:32:00.000Z","c-KJP1-2017-06-26T21:11:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-25T20:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Keith, have now created the article, here, Church of St Helen, Kilnsea. You don't have an online reference for the 1865 Yorkshire Gazette, by any chance? KJP1 (talk) 08:14, 26 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-26T08:14:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-KJP1-2017-06-26T08:14:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-25T20:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-06-26T10:31:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-26T08:14:00.000Z","c-KJP1-2017-06-26T09:01:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-26T08:14:00.000Z","c-KJP1-2017-06-26T10:47:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-26T08:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have added reference detail to the article. Thanks for creating. Keith D (talk) 10:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-26T10:31:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-26T10:31:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-26T08:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

This James Walker (engineer) tells me that he was Chief Engineer to Trinity House, leading to considerable involvement in the construction of lighthouses. And Alfred was his partner in Walker and Burgess(s). And this [43] was built by Trinity House at Spurn Head in the early 1850s. Is that what Alfred was doing? KJP1 (talk) 09:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-26T09:01:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-KJP1-2017-06-26T09:01:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-26T08:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Many thanks indeed! KJP1 (talk) 10:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-26T10:47:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-KJP1-2017-06-26T10:47:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-26T08:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• To round this tale off, I've submitted a listing request to Historic England, following their confirmation that the church isn't listed. It bloody well should be. It really is surprising where Wikipedia sometimes takes you. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-26T21:11:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-KJP1-2017-06-26T21:11:00.000Z-KJP1-2017-06-25T20:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith - I have stuffed up ref number 7. Please leave in quote - thanks as always with your Yorkshire connections - Ted

I have fixed the ref problem for you. Keith D (talk) 10:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-26T10:49:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-26T10:49:00.000Z-Family_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge_2","replies":[]}}-->

15:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Keith, you edited this page saying "If we are keeping then lets have a valid date format". I think we should remove the content sourced by facebook, and have said so on the talk page - guessing by your edit summary you agree? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:07, 26 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-26T21:07:00.000Z","author":"Absolutelypuremilk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Absolutelypuremilk-2017-06-26T21:07:00.000Z-Ben_Bradley_(politician)","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-06-26T21:12:00.000Z-Absolutelypuremilk-2017-06-26T21:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

As you modified it I assumed that we are keeping the change. I think we should get a better source for the information and was going to tag {{better source}} before your edit but I got an edit conflict. Keith D (talk) 21:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-26T21:12:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-26T21:12:00.000Z-Absolutelypuremilk-2017-06-26T21:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith. Please check again. I don't think this is a BLP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:29, 27 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-27T10:29:00.000Z","author":"Kudpung","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kudpung-2017-06-27T10:29:00.000Z-Eduelanka","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-06-27T10:31:00.000Z-Kudpung-2017-06-27T10:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kudpung \u0e01\u0e38\u0e14\u0e1c\u0e36\u0e49\u0e07"}}-->

Thanks, I have changed tag. Keith D (talk) 10:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-27T10:31:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-06-27T10:31:00.000Z-Kudpung-2017-06-27T10:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 111 - July 2017 June issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the one hundredth and eleventh WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 13,303 last month to 13,367 on 29 June). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 139 is ahead of WP:GM who have 86. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 63 out of a total number of 3,856 articles. Currently we have forty five Yorkshire featured articles: Henry Moore • Cædmon • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • History of Sheffield • York City F.C. • Joseph Priestley • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop of York) • Paulinus of York • Wilfrid • HMS Endeavour • Cosmo Gordon Lang • Thomas of Bayeux • Cottingley Fairies • Wilfred Rhodes • Guy Fawkes • Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 • Roy Kilner • George Macaulay • Frederick Delius • Battle of Towton • Halifax Gibbet • Gerard (archbishop of York) • George Hirst • Geoffrey (archbishop of York) • Len Hutton • Hedley Verity • Abe Waddington • Æthelwold ætheling • Preparing for a Fancy Dress Ball • The Combat: Woman Pleading for the Vanquished • The Wrestlers (Etty) • History of York City F.C. (1908–80) • William Etty • History of York City F.C. (1980–present) • Candaules, King of Lydia, Shews his Wife by Stealth to Gyges, One of his Ministers, as She Goes to Bed • The World Before the Flood • Musidora: The Bather 'At the Doubtful Breeze Alarmed' • North Eastern Railway War Memorial • York City War Memorial There are also sixteen featured lists: York City F.C. Clubman of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • List of York City F.C. seasons • List of Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. records and statistics • List of Leeds United F.C. seasons • List of Scarborough F.C. seasons • List of awards and nominations received by Arctic Monkeys • List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cleveland • List of Hull City A.F.C. seasons • List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England • Sheffield United F.C. league record by opponent • York City F.C. league record by opponent • List of York City F.C. players (25–99 appearances) • List of York City F.C. players (1–24 appearances) • Bootham Crescent Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Tansy beetle was nominated for GA on May 26th Neville–Neville feud was not promotted to GA on June 25th Member News There are 81 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! The membership is unchanged since the June newsletter. Thanks A very big Thank you to all the editors who labour away quietly and help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. To members who have added suggestions to the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal. To the football and rugby editors who have done stirling work in keeping abreast of the top clubs. To all the WikiProject Yorkshire editors who have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist.  Great! Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 60 78 FL 1 16 17 GA 2 7 36 176 221 B 9 67 137 363 576 C 5 144 303 1,522 1,974 Start 1 242 1,258 8,694 10,195 Stub 21 352 5,655 3 1 6,032 List 4 12 968 984 Category 2,937 2,937 Disambig 13 13 File 21 21 Portal 37 37 Project 194 194 Redirect 2 172 1,251 1,425 Template 521 521 NA 25 1,290 1,315 Other 12 12 Assessed 19 486 2,116 17,651 6,279 1 26,552 Unassessed 1 1 Total 19 486 2,116 17,651 6,279 2 26,553 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 97,225 Ω = 5.10 Assessment Assess and review As of 28 June 2017, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however)  Thanks Comments, questions and suggestions about this, or any, issue of the newsletter are always welcome and can be made by pressing the feedback button below... Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive (See this month's feature below) To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members and apropos of the above a 2010 New Year article improvement drive/collaboration is being organised. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project The July 2017 articles selected below are an editor choice as there were no further suggestions from the project talk page. Month Dates Article(s) B class choice Start class choice 87 1 Mar 2017 ~ 31 Mar 2016 University of Hull West Burton, North Yorkshire 88 1 Apr 2016 ~ 30 Apr 2016 Oakwell Hall Xscape (building) 89 1 May 2017 ~ 31 May 2017 Pickering, North Yorkshire York Wagon Works 90 1 Jun 2017 ~ 30 Jun 2017 River Don, South Yorkshire Alex Zane 91 1 Jul 2017 ~ 31 Jul 2017 Asking Alexandria Aike Beck Please nominate future articles for improvement at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire. Please bear in mind... The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. Monitoring is essential Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. You will also have to check that the Commons link is set correctly.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2017).

Administrator changes

Happyme22 • Dragons flight

Zad68

Guideline and policy news

• The RFC discussion regarding WP:OUTING and WMF essay about paid editing and outing (see more at the ArbCom noticeboard archives) is now archived. Milieus #3 and #4 received support; so did concrete proposal #1.

Technical news

• Fuzzy search will soon be added to Special:Undelete, allowing administrators to search for deleted page titles with results similar to the search query. You can test this by adding ?fuzzy=1 to the URL, as with Special:Undelete?fuzzy=1. Currently the search only finds pages that exactly match the search term.
• A new bot will automatically revision delete unused file versions from files in Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old.

Miscellaneous

• A newly revamped database report can help identify users who may be eligible to be autopatrolled.
• A potentially compromised account from 2001–2002 attempted to request resysop. Please practice appropriate account security by using a unique password for Wikipedia, and consider enabling two-factor authentication. Currently around 17% of admins have enabled 2FA, up from 16% in February 2017.
• Did you know: On 29 June 2017, there were 1,261 administrators on the English Wikipedia – the exact number of administrators as there were ten years ago on 29 June 2007. Since that time, the English Wikipedia has grown from 1.85 million articles to over 5.43 million.

Hello Keith D, Me-123567-Me has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Me-123567-Me (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-09T16:22:00.000Z","author":"Me-123567-Me","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Me-123567-Me-2017-07-09T16:22:00.000Z-SMILE!_9_July_2017","replies":[]}}-->
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

15:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Could you please look into SubRE's editing history, he is vandalising pages I've created and it all seems fishy, my full real details social networking profiles and phone number will be given to you if asked

PS Hull is lovely!was there last weekend Asouko (talk) 10:53, 14 July 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-14T10:53:00.000Z","author":"Asouko","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asouko-2017-07-14T10:53:00.000Z-Help","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-07-14T21:25:00.000Z-Asouko-2017-07-14T10:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi, glad you liked your visit to Hull, hope that you took in some of the City of Culture events that are on while you were there.

Had a look at their editing history and apart from a couple of previous edits that seem to be valid from last year, all they appear to be doing now is trying to get rid of things by Phase (band) with deletion requests for a number of their song articles. They also appear to have removed some of the referencing to the main article, some of which were dubious, such as the facebook one, but some of the others look to be OK. Not an area of expertise so would not know if they were considered reliable. Will have to see how the ADF's go as looks like there is another delete in there from an established editor. Keith D (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-14T21:25:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-07-14T21:25:00.000Z-Asouko-2017-07-14T10:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith Hoping that you can check some new edits on these two pages - Glen Affric and Lupton family. Your comments on the talk section of the Lupton family page are again welcome - we hope that you can comment again how the page should still be given an "up-grade" - given that it is a very well-researched (thanks often to you!). Thanks again Ted101.189.184.64 (talk) 07:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-16T07:20:00.000Z","author":"101.189.184.64","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-101.189.184.64-2017-07-16T07:20:00.000Z-Help","replies":[]}}-->

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21:45, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2017).

Administrator changes

Anarchyte • GeneralizationsAreBad • Cullen328 ^{(first RfA to reach WP:300)}

Cprompt • Rockpocket • Rambo's Revenge • Animum • TexasAndroid • Chuck SMITH • MikeLynch • Crazytales • Ad Orientem

Guideline and policy news

• Following a series of discussions around new pages patrol, the WMF is helping implement a controlled autoconfirmed article creation trial as a research experiment, similar to the one proposed in 2011. You can learn more about the research plan at meta:Research:Autoconfirmed article creation trial. The exact start date of the experiment has yet to be determined.
• A new speedy deletion criterion, regarding articles created as a result undisclosed paid editing, is currently being discussed (permalink).
• An RfC (permalink) is currently open that proposes expanding WP:G13 to include all drafts, even if they weren't submitted through Articles for Creation.

Technical news

• LoginNotify should soon be deployed to the English Wikipedia. This will notify users when there are suspicious login attempts on their account.
• The new version of XTools is nearing an official release. This suite of tools includes administrator statistics, an improved edit counter, among other tools that may benefit administrators. You can report issues on Phabricator and provide general feedback at mw:Talk:XTools.

Last year, there was a discussion about Leeds and City of Leeds. I created Talk:Leeds/newdraft as a proposal. Could this be deleted? Thanks. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 10:07, 2 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-02T10:07:00.000Z","author":"Leeds United FC fan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leeds_United_FC_fan-2017-08-02T10:07:00.000Z-Hello","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-08-02T10:28:00.000Z-Leeds_United_FC_fan-2017-08-02T10:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes I have deleted it for you. Keith D (talk) 10:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-02T10:28:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-02T10:28:00.000Z-Leeds_United_FC_fan-2017-08-02T10:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 112 - August 2017 July issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the one hundredth and twelfth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 13,367 last month to 13,569 on 31 July). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 142 is ahead of WP:GM who have 86. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 63 out of a total number of 3,873 articles. Currently we have forty six Yorkshire featured articles: Henry Moore • Cædmon • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • History of Sheffield • York City F.C. • Joseph Priestley • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop of York) • Paulinus of York • Wilfrid • HMS Endeavour • Cosmo Gordon Lang • Thomas of Bayeux • Cottingley Fairies • Wilfred Rhodes • Guy Fawkes • Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 • Roy Kilner • George Macaulay • Frederick Delius • Battle of Towton • Halifax Gibbet • Gerard (archbishop of York) • George Hirst • Geoffrey (archbishop of York) • Len Hutton • Hedley Verity • Abe Waddington • Æthelwold ætheling • Preparing for a Fancy Dress Ball • The Combat: Woman Pleading for the Vanquished • The Wrestlers (Etty) • History of York City F.C. (1908–80) • William Etty • History of York City F.C. (1980–present) • Candaules, King of Lydia, Shews his Wife by Stealth to Gyges, One of his Ministers, as She Goes to Bed • The World Before the Flood • Musidora: The Bather 'At the Doubtful Breeze Alarmed' • North Eastern Railway War Memorial • York City War Memorial • Northern England There are also sixteen featured lists: York City F.C. Clubman of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • List of York City F.C. seasons • List of Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. records and statistics • List of Leeds United F.C. seasons • List of Scarborough F.C. seasons • List of awards and nominations received by Arctic Monkeys • List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cleveland • List of Hull City A.F.C. seasons • List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England • Sheffield United F.C. league record by opponent • York City F.C. league record by opponent • List of York City F.C. players (25–99 appearances) • List of York City F.C. players (1–24 appearances) • Bootham Crescent Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Northern England was promoted to FA on July 3rd A59 road Peer Review was opened on July 3rd Tansy beetle was promoted to GA on July 9th Herbert Sutcliffe was withdrawn from GA on July 11th Yooka-Laylee was nominated for GA on July 16th Tansy beetle appeared in DYK on July 23rd Member News There are 81 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! The membership is unchanged since the July newsletter. Thanks A very big Thank you to all the editors who labour away quietly and help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. To members who have added suggestions to the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal. To the football and rugby editors who have done stirling work in keeping abreast of the top clubs. To all the WikiProject Yorkshire editors who have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist.  Great! Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 60 78 FL 1 16 17 GA 2 7 36 176 221 B 9 67 137 363 576 C 5 144 303 1,522 1,974 Start 1 242 1,258 8,694 10,195 Stub 21 352 5,655 3 1 6,032 List 4 12 968 984 Category 2,937 2,937 Disambig 13 13 File 21 21 Portal 37 37 Project 194 194 Redirect 2 172 1,251 1,425 Template 521 521 NA 25 1,290 1,315 Other 12 12 Assessed 19 486 2,116 17,651 6,279 1 26,552 Unassessed 1 1 Total 19 486 2,116 17,651 6,279 2 26,553 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 97,225 Ω = 5.10 Assessment Assess and review As of 28 July 2017, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however) Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive (See this month's feature below) To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members and apropos of the above a 2010 New Year article improvement drive/collaboration is being organised. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project The August 2017 articles selected below are an editor choice as there were no further suggestions from the project talk page. Month Dates Article(s) B class choice Start class choice 88 1 Apr 2017 ~ 30 Apr 2017 Oakwell Hall Xscape (building) 89 1 May 2017 ~ 31 May 2017 Pickering, North Yorkshire York Wagon Works 90 1 Jun 2017 ~ 30 Jun 2017 River Don, South Yorkshire Alex Zane 91 1 Jul 2017 ~ 31 Jul 2017 Asking Alexandria Aike Beck 92 1 Aug 2017 ~ 31 Aug 2017 The Scott Motorcycle Company Belle Vue (Doncaster) Please nominate future articles for improvement at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire. Please bear in mind... The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. Monitoring is essential Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. You will also have to check that the Commons link is set correctly.  Thanks Comments, questions and suggestions about this, or any, issue of the newsletter are always welcome and can be made by pressing the feedback button below... Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome!

11:01, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry to trouble you but is it possible that you could temporarily restore Talk:Leeds/newdraft? Apologies. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 13:53, 2 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-02T13:53:00.000Z","author":"Leeds United FC fan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leeds_United_FC_fan-2017-08-02T13:53:00.000Z-Hello_again","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-08-02T20:54:00.000Z-Leeds_United_FC_fan-2017-08-02T13:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have restored it for you. Keith D (talk) 20:54, 2 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-02T20:54:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-02T20:54:00.000Z-Leeds_United_FC_fan-2017-08-02T13:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leeds_United_FC_fan-2017-08-02T21:35:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-08-02T20:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for tolerating my lack of organisation. The page can be deleted now. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 21:35, 2 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-02T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Leeds United FC fan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Leeds_United_FC_fan-2017-08-02T21:35:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-08-02T20:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks Keith for keeping your clever watchful eyes on this page - I have added a couple of refs - Please check if able. Also these 4 pages -

new refs added

are all refs OK?

Are all refs OK?

Are all refs OK? Thanks Ted

21:45, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Dear Keith D

Yesterday I altered Michael Palin's entry on Wiki........as you are aware I altered his place of birth from Broomhill, Sheffield to Ranmoor, Sheffield. From what I can establish you appear to have altered it back again. I've emailed Wiki and asked for my change to be reinstated.

Regards

Paul (Michael Palin's office)

Paul Bird Director Mayday Management PS Ltd 34 Tavistock Street Covent Garden London WC2E 7PB

Tel: 020 7497 1100 Mob: 07834 316 285

[email protected]

www.themichaelpalin.com

www.palinstravels.co.uk

www.facebook.com/themichaelpalinpage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.218.138.56 (talk) 11:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-10T11:37:00.000Z","author":"83.218.138.56","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-83.218.138.56-2017-08-10T11:37:00.000Z-Michael_Palin","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-08-10T19:05:00.000Z-83.218.138.56-2017-08-10T11:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

I chnged it back as it was changed by an IP editor without supplying any explanation and reliable source to support the change. Keith D (talk) 19:05, 10 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-10T19:05:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-10T19:05:00.000Z-83.218.138.56-2017-08-10T11:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. A few months ago, an article on the famous UK porn star Cathy Barry was deleted with only 3 votes in favour - evidently very few editors noticed. Would appreciate it if you could help, as it seems bizarre that an article on a clearly notable figure can just be deleted on the say so of so few editors?!

92.18.55.1 (talk) 12:00, 10 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-10T12:00:00.000Z","author":"92.18.55.1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-92.18.55.1-2017-08-10T12:00:00.000Z-Cathy_Barry","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-08-10T19:01:00.000Z-92.18.55.1-2017-08-10T12:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

The current entry is essentially the same as the one that was deleted so the present WP:G4 deletion will probably occur. The only substantial new material is the material relating to her husband so is not really relevant to her notability. You will need to provide some more substantial references that support her notability and add then to the article before the deletion request is actioned, or detail them on the talk page. If you think that the previous deletion was wrong then you could try Wikipedia:Deletion review, but read the criteria there before nominating or it will not succeed. Keith D (talk) 19:01, 10 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-10T19:01:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-10T19:01:00.000Z-92.18.55.1-2017-08-10T12:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith,

I was hoping you could advise me on the best course of action that I should take regarding the following matter. I wish to reference a now deleted "Tweet" (aka. a message sent using Twitter) that was posted by a well-known local personality in the United Kingdom. The message was posted following the death of a now disgraced British celebrity in 2011, and I would like to make reference to the Tweet within this person's Wikipedia page. Whilst I am unable to find a URL for the Tweet in question, I did manage to capture it using screen capture software before it was deleted. I was wondering, therefore, whether I could reference this Tweet if I were to upload the image to Wikipedia and reference it accordingly? The only issue is that I do not have the URL for it.

--Zoyetu (talk) 17:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-11T17:53:00.000Z","author":"Zoyetu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zoyetu-2017-08-11T17:53:00.000Z-Referencing_a_now_deleted_\"Tweet\"","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-08-11T19:32:00.000Z-Zoyetu-2017-08-11T17:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Probably not very good to do this as tweets are not reliable sources unless they are about the person who originated them. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources. Keith D (talk) 19:32, 11 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-11T19:32:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-11T19:32:00.000Z-Zoyetu-2017-08-11T17:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Zoyetu-2017-08-11T23:01:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-08-11T19:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

The Tweet was commenting on the death of this celebrity at the time, but was also describing the "Tweeter's" relationship with him, if that makes sense? So yes, I would say that it was about the person who originated it. Does this change things? Shall I just add it to the article and then you can remove if necessary? --Zoyetu (talk) 23:01, 11 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-11T23:01:00.000Z","author":"Zoyetu","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Zoyetu-2017-08-11T23:01:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-08-11T19:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-08-11T23:19:00.000Z-Zoyetu-2017-08-11T23:01:00.000Z","c-Zoyetu-2017-08-12T11:07:00.000Z-Zoyetu-2017-08-11T23:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry I got the link wrong in my last reply, I have now fixed that. I would read that paragraph and the following one which relates to tweets. I guess it would fail under point 2 "so long as it does not involve claims about third parties;" Keith D (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-11T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-11T23:19:00.000Z-Zoyetu-2017-08-11T23:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for that. I have uploaded the image and updated the article. Have a look: Link --Zoyetu (talk) 11:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-12T11:07:00.000Z","author":"Zoyetu","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Zoyetu-2017-08-12T11:07:00.000Z-Zoyetu-2017-08-11T23:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-08-12T20:45:00.000Z-Zoyetu-2017-08-12T11:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am not really sure if this is really relevant to the article as he interviewed many people and just to pick 1 is rather WP:UNDUE. Keith D (talk) 20:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-12T20:45:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-12T20:45:00.000Z-Zoyetu-2017-08-12T11:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Zoyetu-2017-08-13T13:22:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-08-12T20:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

If you feel that it should be removed (either the file or the paragraph in which it is referenced) feel free to do so. --Zoyetu (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-13T13:22:00.000Z","author":"Zoyetu","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Zoyetu-2017-08-13T13:22:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-08-12T20:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You reverted my change of importance for Driffield but I don't understand why. The Yorkshire project rating criteria say that "towns that are not former boroughs" are High. [72] Could you clarify please? Lineslarge (talk) 19:51, 13 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-13T19:51:00.000Z","author":"Lineslarge","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lineslarge-2017-08-13T19:51:00.000Z-Driffield_importance","replies":["c-Keith_D-2017-08-13T20:00:00.000Z-Lineslarge-2017-08-13T19:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

Probably because the assessment pages are way out of date, I appear to have done > 95% of the assessment for the Yorkshire articles I have set a selected few to allocate as Top (16 at last count), remaining cities and very large towns to High, remaining towns to Mid and villages to Low. Keith D (talk) 20:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-13T20:00:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-13T20:00:00.000Z-Lineslarge-2017-08-13T19:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Lineslarge-2017-08-13T20:18:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-08-13T20:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

OK that makes sense, thanks. It would be nice if you could update the criteria when you get a free five mins. Lineslarge (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-13T20:18:00.000Z","author":"Lineslarge","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Lineslarge-2017-08-13T20:18:00.000Z-Keith_D-2017-08-13T20:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey Keith_D, hope you're well. Could you please email me? My email is on my user page.

I see you've worked on XXXTENTACION’s Wikipedia and had a question I wanted to discuss. Thanks!

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I would prefer not to use e-mail for wiki work. You can ask here or send e-mail, though I will probably respond on wiki.

The only change I made to that article was to fix a partial |accessdate= in a cite. Keith D (talk) 20:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-14T20:58:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-14T20:58:00.000Z-CMCreator900-2017-08-14T16:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

23:29, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

More changes to this page. Please check thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.39.128.90 (talk) 07:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-17T07:11:00.000Z","author":"203.39.128.90","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-203.39.128.90-2017-08-17T07:11:00.000Z-Lupton_family_3","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith, how are you? Could I ask your help to establish this guy's Jewish ethnicity? I 've gotten rusty at wiki editing. Anyway, I'm planning to place the references below then add the Jewish categories then place a link at the List of Asian Jews. Will the below do the job?--Jondel (talk) 13:00, 19 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-19T13:00:00.000Z","author":"Jondel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jondel-2017-08-19T13:00:00.000Z-Louis_C._Mosher","replies":[]}}-->

<ref name=Scharfsteinp320 /><ref name=ACMH-Philippine>{{cite web |accessdate=May 8, 2011|url=http://www.history.army.mil/html/moh/philippine.html |title=Philippine insurrection |work=Medal of Honor recipients|publisher=United States Army Center for Military History |date=December 3, 2010}}</ref> *{{Cite book |last=Scharfstein |first= Sol |author2=Gelabert, Dorcas |year=1997 |title=Chronicle of Jewish History: From the Patriarchs to the 21st Century |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=PrAdxFjB7k4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false |publisher=KTAV Pub. House |isbn=0-88125-560-2 |accessdate=May 12, 2011}}

Hello, I guess that the <ref name=Scharfsteinp320 /> applies to the second quoted reference. The first reference just redirects to the home page of https://www.victoriacountyhistory.ac.uk/ so does not help at all as that page does not mention Mosher. The second reference is also not very helpful as it does not give a page number to substantiate Mosher Jewishness, though looks to be useful from the title. Keith D (talk) 18:06, 19 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-19T18:06:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keith_D-2017-08-19T18:06:00.000Z-Louis_C._Mosher","replies":[]}}-->

18:01, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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