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Hi Keith. What you need to do is take a look at the citation sheet for each site and read through. Usually the designation reason will be obvious e.g. if plant communities, or valuable habitat types or populations of notable species etc are mentioned, you can tick biological, whereas if rock formations, fossil beds, or other geomorphological features ar mentioned you can tick geological, and if both are mentioned you can tick both. If there are any you aren't sure about, feel free to refer them to me and I'd be happy to help. Incidentally, are you aware that Humberside is actualy two "Areas of Search" - Humberside North and Humberside South? SP-KP (talk) 18:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-25T18:44:00.000Z","author":"SP-KP","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SP-KP-2009-06-25T18:44:00.000Z-SSSI_Designation_reasons","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. Yes, Natural England try to keep it simple on their website - I've got the original source document which sets out the details of the Areas of Search, which shows Humberside as two. I'm not suggesting splitting the page, just tweaking the wording in the intro. Let me know if you want me to supply details of the source document to use as a reference. SP-KP (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-25T19:04:00.000Z","author":"SP-KP","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SP-KP-2009-06-25T19:04:00.000Z-SSSI_Designation_reasons","replies":[]}}-->

Hey. First things first, how was your trip? Hope it was good. Now, I seem to have a large amount of free time recently and I am in the mood to do some serious editing on Wikipedia, only one thing, I don't know what pages to edit. I don't really have any inspiration. What is your inspiration (like what makes you decide what articles to edit)? And another thing, I have ben looking at the article manual (Wikipedia:MOS or something like that) and I have found nothing about external links in the article (like here. This may be because I didn't read the article fully or because it doesn't state it anywhere. What do I do? De Mattia (talk) 08:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-30T08:08:00.000Z","author":"De Mattia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-De_Mattia-2009-06-30T08:08:00.000Z-Articles","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-11T20:29:00.000Z-De_Mattia-2009-06-30T08:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi, yes I did have a good trip, I was without any internet connection for the period so lots of things to catch up on. Inspiration for editing usually comes from interests, something in the news or from what pops up on the watchlist. Often an article changed by someone else causes a chain of thought that leads to further editing of the page or of related pages. On external links the MOS page is WP:EL which gives this link on use of non-English web sites. Keith D (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-11T20:29:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-11T20:29:00.000Z-De_Mattia-2009-06-30T08:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 15 - July 2009 June issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the fifteenth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 6344 last month to 6538 on June 28th). We have recently overtaken WP:LONDON which has 6318 articles. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 39 out of a total number of 1862 articles. In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 45 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 44. If you would like to discuss changes to Priorities, please join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are sixteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop) • Paulinus of York • Wilfred There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Siward Barn was promoted to GA on May 10th Oslac of York was promoted to GA on May 18th Thomas Ferens was promoted to GA on June 6th Wilfred was promoted to FA on June 9th Ilkley was nominated for GA on June 11th Sheffield was nominated for a FAR on June 18th Peak District was nominated for GA on June 18th York was submitted for a peer review on June 21st Member News There are now 64 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the June newsletter: nigelcoates (talk · contribs) No members left the project this month: Thanks There has again been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date. The football and rugby editors have continued keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs.  Great! WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big Thank you to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA Other ??? Total FA 2 1 15 60 78 FL 1 16 17 GA 2 7 36 178 223 B 9 67 137 373 586 C 5 144 303 1,518 1,970 Start 1 242 1,259 8,703 10,205 Stub 21 352 5,658 3 6,034 List 4 12 983 999 Category 3,900 1 3,901 Disambig 21 21 File 22 22 Portal 95 95 Project 127 127 Redirect 2 198 1,362 1,562 Template 589 589 NA 1 1 Other 9 9 Assessed 19 486 2,117 17,687 6,129 1 26,439 Unassessed 1 1 Total 19 486 2,117 17,687 6,129 1 1 26,440 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 97,295 Ω = 5.10 Assessment Assess and review As of 27 June, 2009, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however)  Thanks Written by Keith D and Harkey• Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS?? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members Citing sources for your text In recent months some really promising Yorkshire articles from new editors have been appearing on Wikipedia. These editors have worked hard to produce interesting and informative texts with some exquisite images. However, some of these articles have lacked any verifiable sources, an absolute must for Wikipedia articles. Additional research is usually necessary to write a good article. An article has to be verifiable and cite reliable sources which ideally should include books or peer reviewed journal articles. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. Fortunately, Wikipedia provides a number of easily used tools to help with this task. Beside the Firefox add on that was mentioned last month there are a couple of toolbar options to help editors. The first is on the default toolbar. It's the <ref>...</ref> button. This places any text that is placed between the markers in the References section on the article page. The second handy tool is obtained by going to the my preferences section on the menu tabs at the top of the page, click GADGETS, go to Editing gadgets and check refTools. Save your options and a new CITE button is added to your editing toolbar. This little wonder, when clicked, produces options for citation templates beneath the existing toolbar. It is a fairly simple task then to copy and paste the information into the template and when you've completed as much as you can, click the Add citation button. This produces an inline citation. Of course this all depends on there being a References section on the page with either the <references/> markup or {{Reflist}} template added. If you are in doubt about an unsourced statement, try copying the phrase or sentence and pasting it into the search box of your favourite search engine. Often this turns up a source which you can then add to the article yourself by filling in one of the citation templates on your editing toolbar. If you want to request a source for an unsourced statement, consider tagging a sentence by adding the {{fact}} template, a section with {{unreferencedsection}}, or the article with {{refimprove}} or {{unreferenced}}. Alternatively, you may leave a note on the talk page requesting a source, or you may move the material to the talk page. Please remember... The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. The latest listing was created on June 18th. Here is an extract The project has 15 top-importance articles. 8 of them, or 53.3%, are flagged for cleanup. Article Maintenance categories Bradford «Top» Articles containing potentially dated statements from 2006, Articles with dead external links (Sep 2008, Oct 2008) Leeds «Top» Articles with unsourced statements (Jan 2008, Oct 2008, Mar 2009), Wikipedia articles needing clarification (Oct 2008) North Yorkshire «Top» Articles with dead external links (Oct 2008) Ripon «Top» Articles with specifically-marked weasel-worded phrases (Mar 2009), Articles with unsourced statements (Mar 2009), Wikipedia articles needing clarification (Feb 2009) Sheffield «FA, Top» Articles with dead external links (Jun 2008, Oct 2008) Wakefield «Top» Articles needing additional references (Sep 2008), Articles with trivia sections (Aug 2008), Articles with unsourced statements (Jan 2007, Feb 2007) William Wilberforce «FA, Top» Articles with dead external links (Mar 2009) Yorkshire «Top» Articles with dead external links (Oct 2008), Articles with unsourced statements (Mar 2009) Monitor Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Infoboxes Many of our articles would benefit from the addition of an appropriate infobox. References Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR.

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I note that you are on holiday. I shall miss your ceaseless and fearless edits. A hoilday suggests that there might somewhere deep inside you be a life. Is it to Neasden that you have gone perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.225.106.252 (talk) 22:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-09T22:05:00.000Z","author":"212.225.106.252","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-212.225.106.252-2009-07-09T22:05:00.000Z-With_deep_sadness","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-11T20:33:00.000Z-212.225.106.252-2009-07-09T22:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry that you missed my edits, unsure why you are keeping an eye on what I am doing. For information I was in Scotland. Keith D (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-11T20:33:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-11T20:33:00.000Z-212.225.106.252-2009-07-09T22:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith D. I note you've just had a go at the coord for Nun Monkton. Maybe it's my browser (Chrome) but I can't make the coord at the top of the page work.

Also I've just been expanding Bramhope, and the coord was already fouled up (looked over-written) before I came along. I unfouled it by disabling the one which is at the bottom of the page in the source (but appears at the top of the actual page), but I left the one in the infobox alone. Now the one appearing at the top of the page looks pretty on the page, but still doesn't work. I have not changed any numbers or removed any coord text/coding. Any ideas?

Cheers.--Storye book (talk) 21:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-14T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Storye book","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Storye_book-2009-07-14T21:55:00.000Z-Nun_Monkton_and_Bramhope","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-14T22:07:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-14T21:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

The 2 sets of co-ordinates usually happen when someone adds an infobox to an article with co-ordinates and forgets to remove the {{coord}} template. Just removing the template should fix it. I have looked at both articles and clicking on the co-ordinates at the top works for me. I am using Firefox 3.0 so could be a browser problem. Though it could be a problem over the server slowness that is around at the moment. May be a question at village pump would get some sort of answer. Sorry cannot really help on this one. Keith D (talk) 22:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-14T22:07:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-14T22:07:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-14T21:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks Keith D for the above help with coords. I guess I'll just have to put up with it - though it makes it difficult to tell whether I've made an error with coord templates. Re the DYK nomination - I've done as you suggested, and nominated Bankfield Museum (thanks for the prompt) but I'm new to the nomination system and would be grateful if you would kindly check that I've done it correctly. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 11:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","author":"Storye book","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z-Bankfield_Museum_DYK_nomination","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-15T11:23:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","c-Storye_book-2009-07-15T13:17:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","c-Storye_book-2009-07-21T10:06:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","c-Keith_D-2009-07-21T11:31:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","c-Storye_book-2009-07-21T11:40:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","c-Keith_D-2009-07-21T11:52:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","c-Storye_book-2009-07-21T11:54:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have had a look and cannot find the fact in the article so may fail under The "Did you know?" fact must be mentioned in the article and cited with an inline citation since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. The fact is probably implied by the note on childless and the images but it depends on those selecting the items for inclusion. Keith D (talk) 11:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-15T11:23:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-15T11:23:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-15T11:32:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-15T11:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have move the entry down to July 12 which is its create date. Keith D (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-15T11:32:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-15T11:32:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-15T11:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• OK, thanks for you kind help.--Storye book (talk) 13:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-15T13:17:00.000Z","author":"Storye book","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Storye_book-2009-07-15T13:17:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• Update: Bankfield Museum is featured in DYK today, 21 July - so thanks again for the prompt!--Storye book (talk) 10:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC) . . . and another update . . . encouraged by the above, I've just tried to add Bramhope Tunnel to the 19th July DYK nominations - but still can't make the template work. What am I doing wrong?--Storye book (talk) 10:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Third update in so many minutes (sorry): as you were - I had apparently fouled the DYK template by omitting a single bracket from an internal link on one of the words in the hook. Little things make a big mess.--Storye book (talk) 11:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-21T10:06:00.000Z","author":"Storye book","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Storye_book-2009-07-21T10:06:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, looks like you have got this working OK now. I tweaked to display your user name but the machine is working slow at the moment so you beat me to to. Keith D (talk) 11:31, 21 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-21T11:31:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-21T11:31:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Thx for that - yes I spotted yet another boo-boo. Guess I'm hungry or something. Must be time for lunch. Meanwhile I'd like to also nominate Church Army Chapel, Blackheath for DYK, but am worried that I'll be on holiday and won't be able to monitor it for the extra vandalism that comes with fame. Do DYK featured pages get monitored by administrators in the same way as the full-blown featured pages? The Church Army Chapel page is playing quite an important role at present, with various authorities and groups linking to it as a modern building possibly up for conservation-consideration issues. --Storye book (talk) 11:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-21T11:40:00.000Z","author":"Storye book","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Storye_book-2009-07-21T11:40:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Unsure of the mechanism for monitoring but all of the pages referenced from the main page get looked after for vandalism as a priority as they are high profile for the period they appear there so I would nominate it. Keith D (talk) 11:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-21T11:52:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-21T11:52:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• OK will do.--Storye book (talk) 11:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-21T11:54:00.000Z","author":"Storye book","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Storye_book-2009-07-21T11:54:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-15T11:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Keith, Out of respect for the process of discussion I have paused ClickBot's operation, as you raised concerns over Atterton. Would you please reply at User talk:ClickBot#Atterton so I can know whether it is safe to resume processing? —ClickRick (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-15T22:22:00.000Z","author":"ClickRick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ClickRick-2009-07-15T22:22:00.000Z-ClickBot","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, noticed that you had created a dab page for Millbridge and was expecting to find the three UK ones listed in List of United Kingdom locations: Mid-Mn but only the Surrey one appears. Should the other two be added? Keith D (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-15T23:48:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-15T23:48:00.000Z-Millbridge","replies":["c-Saga_City-2009-07-16T09:04:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-15T23:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Slightly confused - didn't create page mentioned, only added to existing one and can only see the Surrey entry in the list you mention. But please go ahead! Best Wishes: Saga City (talk) 09:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-16T09:04:00.000Z","author":"Saga City","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Saga_City-2009-07-16T09:04:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-15T23:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Good work on York. I should be back editing tomorrow,Sunday. My internet connection is so slow when I am away from home and Wikipedia servers have been playing up a bit so that editing became tortuous.--Harkey (talk) 09:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-18T09:29:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-18T09:29:00.000Z-York","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-18T10:25:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-18T09:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

The severs have been particularly bad, it has taken nearly a week to get through my watchlist because of it. The bot changing population fields in the {{Infobox UK place}} has not helped. Had to switch off the wikied and popups to get pages to load. Sometimes could click to load a page and go and make a cup of tea before it loaded. Still slow last night but better than it has been. I have done most of the easy ones on York, will probably look at the references next. Keith D (talk) 10:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-18T10:25:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-18T10:25:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-18T09:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-19T15:21:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-18T10:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

I removed the photo gallery just now. You have already addressed a lot of the issues, thanks.What else needs to be done, please?--Harkey (talk) 15:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-19T15:21:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-19T15:21:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-18T10:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-19T15:32:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-19T15:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

I was hoping to move some of the images into the text at some point depending on the final layout of it but did not look like too many holes for images. I have started on the references but not got too far through them but will resume later. The remaining things to do are

1. Economy - ABB meaning
2. Economy - Regional gross value figures
3. Sport - referencing
4. Lead changes
5. Jafeluv comment on length of history section

Keith D (talk) 15:32, 19 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-19T15:32:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-19T15:32:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-19T15:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-19T15:36:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-19T15:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

There is a general problem over the Vision of Britain site that I stumbled across and stopped me on the referencing last night. Looks as though they have renamed themselves and rejigged the site a bit I found this note WT:UKGEO#Vision of Britain URL changes. Keith D (talk) 15:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-19T15:36:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-19T15:36:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-19T15:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-20T12:44:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-19T15:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

I added two new refs for transport section so numbering of subsequent refs has changed. I wasn't quite sure which was best at ref 83 as there was a lot of bus info on the council website.

Thanks - it is slow job going through the references still along way to go! Keith D (talk) 12:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-20T12:44:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-20T12:44:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-19T15:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

BTW. I had a look at MASS Engineering (only because it popped up on the Yorkshire watchlist). It's a bit confusing because there are actually two registered companies. One seems to be a coachworks and the other a school bus operation. It would seem that the BrightBus company is now more important than the MASS Engineering operation. Should there be two articles or a change of the article name?--Harkey (talk) 12:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-20T12:28:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T12:28:00.000Z-York","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-20T12:44:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T12:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

That was probably my revert of the shortening of the name contrary to reference. Unsure where you got the name in infobox from is it the same reference as the text as the "ea" is transposed to what I put. Probably best to ask at the talk page as looks like a name change is required at least. Cannot quite get head round the 2 companies and their interrelation. May be someone with more knowledge may point in the right direction. Keith D (talk) 12:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-20T12:44:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-20T12:44:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T12:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T13:03:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-20T12:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

(ea) Not me guv, honest!! Will add ref later--Harkey (talk) 13:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-20T13:03:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T13:03:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-20T12:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T13:43:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T13:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

I got the name from here where it has the conventional spelling. But, I can't find any other refs for the spelling of it.--Harkey (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-20T13:43:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T13:43:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T13:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-20T16:05:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T13:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

That conflicts with the spelling from the existing reference from VOSA in the article. Probably need a note adding on the difference. Keith D (talk) 16:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-20T16:05:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-20T16:05:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-20T13:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the info. --Cor1314 (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-18T15:04:00.000Z","author":"Cor1314","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cor1314-2009-07-18T15:04:00.000Z-Signing_Posts","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, I too have come to the conclusion that we'll have to condense the history section. I see you have been getting History of York ready. Good idea.--Harkey (talk) 15:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-21T15:49:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-21T15:49:00.000Z-More_York","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-21T16:32:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-21T15:49:00.000Z","c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-21T16:59:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-21T15:49:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

Just thought that while things were fresh in the mind would start to transfer some edits down. I think we have done everything on York now from the review apart from the history condensing and date formatting. The dates I have made consistent in 2 July 2009 format apart from the retrieved on which I have left in 2009-07-01 format which I think is acceptable. It would have been better to have changed the software for the auto=formatting rather than have to bother about date formatting for every date, but that is not the way the vote went. On the condensing I could not spot anything obvious that could be trimmed. If you fancy a go for GA then put it in we can probably do the rest before it gets reviewed. Keith D (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-21T16:32:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-21T16:32:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-21T15:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

OK, I'll have a go. Get ready to throw my water wings if I get it wrong!!--Harkey (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-21T16:59:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-21T16:59:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-21T15:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

I thought this (particularly the list and descriptions) might help with the SSSIs in Humberside. Ah, I see you spotted it!--Harkey (talk) 12:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-22T12:22:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-22T12:22:00.000Z-Yorkshire_Wildlife_Trust","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-22T12:29:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-22T12:22:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

Just spotted on the watchlist. I found a problem last night on SSSIs on the Natural England web site there is a data sheet that indicates it is in South Yorkshire & Humberside but the site is not mentioned in the Humberside selection. I may add a note to our list to cover the discrepancy on the Natural England site. By the way any thoughts for newsletter? Keith D (talk) 12:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-22T12:29:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-22T12:29:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-22T12:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-22T13:00:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-22T12:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

After I put the free map resource on the WPYorks main page this morning I wondered about pointing out any others that we use regularly e.g. geograph and the lovely one that PamD pointed out for converting excel to wikitables. There's also Vision of Britain, NASA, etc. An article drive might be appropriate at this time as I think we have at least tamed York!! It is sometimes difficult knowing if there is anybody out there, so maybe ask for feedback a bit more prominently (like hit this button to say summat!!)--Harkey (talk) 13:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC).__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-22T13:00:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-22T13:00:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-22T12:29:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

Hey, just a quick note because you restored the tonne conversions that I had just removed from the Drax Power Station article. I removed them because they're obsolete when numbers have been rounded to the nearest thousand or ten thousand and is done in the Drax Power Station article. This was discussed further in Stella power stations' featured article candidacy. Fintan264 (talk) 13:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-23T13:26:00.000Z","author":"Fintan264","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fintan264-2009-07-23T13:26:00.000Z-Tonne_conversions","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-23T14:50:00.000Z-Fintan264-2009-07-23T13:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

I was going by MOS:CONVERSIONS when I restored the conversions, I would have thought that FAC discussion should take the MOS into account. Keith D (talk) 14:50, 23 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-23T14:50:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-23T14:50:00.000Z-Fintan264-2009-07-23T13:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith, Could you please take a look at the Standedge Tunnels article. A new editor registered at 23:06 pm and by OO:45am has done some 44 edits on it. These are mostly corrections to his own edits, which seem to be viable info, but they include several main body text external links back to his own Flickr page images and through a link on that to his Facebook page blog on the tunnels. I'm not quite sure how this stands with WP:EL and WP:COI so need your experience to see if they are allowed. He has also placed an external link to his Flicker page on the Manchester Mayfield railway station. As for copyright all his images are indicating 'some rights reserved.' Richard Harvey (talk) 08:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-24T08:31:00.000Z","author":"Richard Harvey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard_Harvey-2009-07-24T08:31:00.000Z-External_links","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-24T10:22:00.000Z-Richard_Harvey-2009-07-24T08:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

I did spot the start of the changes to Standedge Tunnels last night and wondered about the links to Flickr images but could not see anything that prevents them. Though I would think that for GA/FA these type of inline links would be frowned upon. Keith D (talk) 10:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-24T10:22:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-24T10:22:00.000Z-Richard_Harvey-2009-07-24T08:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Richard_Harvey-2009-07-24T14:26:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-24T10:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

I was wondering about WP:ELPOINTS item 3, WP:ELNO item 11 and WP:EL#ADV - first paragraph "avoid linking to a site that you own, maintain, or represent" as a WP:COI, obviously his flickr images and Facebook pages are owned and maintened by himself! Richard Harvey (talk) 14:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-24T14:26:00.000Z","author":"Richard Harvey","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Richard_Harvey-2009-07-24T14:26:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-24T10:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-24T22:45:00.000Z-Richard_Harvey-2009-07-24T14:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Tending to agree with you after looking through the archives, though not clear and no recent discussion. I have dropped a note on the users' talk page suggesting uploading images to commons. See if there is any response. Keith D (talk) 22:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-24T22:45:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-24T22:45:00.000Z-Richard_Harvey-2009-07-24T14:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Richard_Harvey-2009-07-25T00:08:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-24T22:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

The editor has removed the flickr links and placed a single EL in the appropriate section, which should be okay. I have odne a small copy edit to tidy things up and converted two remaining mainbody text links to refs and also placed two fact tags for a statement that I feel need supporting refs. Richard Harvey (talk) 00:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-25T00:08:00.000Z","author":"Richard Harvey","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Richard_Harvey-2009-07-25T00:08:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-24T22:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith D/Archive 14! There appears to be a discrepancy between the information in The Bewdley School and Sixth Form Centre article which you have contributed to or edited. The November 2008 Ofsted report and the article may not be referring to the same schools. Moreover, in an article about Heathfield School, Wolverley it is claimed that it merged with Bewdley. However, a website exists for a Heathfield school in Wolverly about an independent school on which there exists very little verifiable online information. There is clearly some confusion concerning these two schools and their affiliation. If you can help with these issues please see Talk:The Bewdley School and Sixth Form Centre, improve the article if you can, and leave any comments there.--Kudpung (talk) 16:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-24T16:56:00.000Z","author":"Kudpung","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kudpung-2009-07-24T16:56:00.000Z-The_Bewdley_School_and_Sixth_Form_Centre","replies":[]}}-->

I still would like a little bit of guidence on the external links policy of Wikipedia. I cant really find out what I want here. I would like to know what I should do when external links appearduring an article, like here. De Mattia (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-24T23:17:00.000Z","author":"De Mattia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-De_Mattia-2009-07-24T23:17:00.000Z-More_external_links_information_please","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-24T23:37:00.000Z-De_Mattia-2009-07-24T23:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

I guess the appropriate note will be "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article." though it does not indicate when you can use them in the body. I would make the links into references where possible as that is what the couple I looked at appear to be. Keith D (talk) 23:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-24T23:37:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-24T23:37:00.000Z-De_Mattia-2009-07-24T23:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Keith D. Just letting you know that one of the pages I created, Bramhope Tunnel, is (at time of writing this) in queue 5 here, so should be on the front page in the DYK list maybe tomorrow. I'm off on holiday now, and have asked Richard Harvey to help keep an eye on it, though I know the admins will protect it from vandalism, and I don't know if Richard will be around. If you feel like keeping half an eye on it, that would be appreciated - but up to you. Cheers.--Storye book (talk) 11:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-25T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Storye book","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Storye_book-2009-07-25T11:36:00.000Z-Bramhope_Tunnel","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-25T11:40:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-25T11:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Will do when I am around. Thanks. Keith D (talk) 11:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-25T11:40:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-25T11:40:00.000Z-Storye_book-2009-07-25T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Keith, how can it be said that the UK actually administers Rockall? The only 'administration' is the navigational beacon, and that was put there by Greenpeace? I suggest that no one administers it. ClemMcGann (talk) 02:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-26T02:49:00.000Z","author":"ClemMcGann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ClemMcGann-2009-07-26T02:49:00.000Z-Rockall","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-26T12:59:00.000Z-ClemMcGann-2009-07-26T02:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

I reverted out the change as it removed the claim that the UK has on it, the administration was also removed in the same edit so that was also restored in the reversion. I was not saying the detail is correct just removing an edit which removed valid information and took out this at the same time. Keith D (talk) 12:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-26T12:59:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-26T12:59:00.000Z-ClemMcGann-2009-07-26T02:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-ClemMcGann-2009-07-26T14:42:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-26T12:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

OK, Keith, thanks. Obviously the UK has a claim. We can just be disappointed at the Danish delay. Something needs to be added on the Danish theory that Faeroes and Rockall are a "micro-continent" distinct from the European continental shelf. For now, I will just remove the "administration" - Regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 14:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-26T14:42:00.000Z","author":"ClemMcGann","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ClemMcGann-2009-07-26T14:42:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-26T12:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

		The Original Barnstar
		For doing a task that desperately needed doing, was on my todo list, but never got round to it :) Good work! Jeni (talk)(Jenuk1985) 13:22, 27 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-27T13:22:00.000Z","author":"Jenuk1985","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jenuk1985-2009-07-27T13:22:00.000Z-Barnstar","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-27T19:16:00.000Z-Jenuk1985-2009-07-27T13:22:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Jeni"}}-->

Thanks - much appreciated Keith D (talk) 19:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-27T19:16:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-27T19:16:00.000Z-Jenuk1985-2009-07-27T13:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I shall be back on Thursday in time to add to newsletter if needed. Have been busy fighting running battle over my consumer rights. (Wikipedia research and citing skills have come in very useful.)--Harkey (talk) 06:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-28T06:54:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-28T06:54:00.000Z-WPYorksNewsletter","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-28T08:23:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-28T06:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

Thanks for letting me know I have not done a feature as yet. Keith D (talk) 08:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-28T08:23:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-28T08:23:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-28T06:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-28T20:10:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-28T08:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have done a short bit on alternative text on images if you want to have a go at improving/expanding it. Keith D (talk) 20:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-28T20:10:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-28T20:10:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-28T08:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T16:21:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-28T20:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Just added feedback button and removed outdated cleanup listing. Your feature is good, I wasn't aware of it. Could we add an example? Shall we mention an article drive or leave that for another time?--Harkey (talk) 16:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-30T16:21:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T16:21:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-28T20:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-30T17:22:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T16:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

Thanks. I was trying to think of an example, other than the ones in the linked explanation at WP:ALT, but did not come up with one. It is difficult to grasp what is required but no doubt after doing a few it will become easier. If you can come-up with one, preferably Yorkshire related, then go ahead and add it. May be best to leave the article drive until after the holiday period. Did you see my note on Popular pages on the project talk page? Keith D (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-30T17:22:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-30T17:22:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T16:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T17:50:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-30T17:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Made a first (faltering) stab at alt= text. Please feel free to amend.--Harkey (talk) 17:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-30T17:50:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T17:50:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-30T17:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T18:05:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T17:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

Yes.Popular pages list seems like a good idea for WP:Yorks to narrow down a list of articles that we need to focus on.--Harkey (talk) 18:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-30T18:05:00.000Z","author":"Harkey Lodger","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T18:05:00.000Z-Harkey_Lodger-2009-07-30T17:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Harkey"}}-->

Thanks for the block. Please see comment on that articles talk page. Regards Setwisohi (talk) 18:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-29T18:18:00.000Z","author":"Setwisohi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Setwisohi-2009-07-29T18:18:00.000Z-Edward_McMillan-Scott","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there - This is just a note of appreciation for making the various involved pages do the right thing again. That sort of thing is normally a thankless job, so I make it a point to give my appreciation when I see it get done. Now I guess we'll see whether someone immediately comes along and reverts :p . Seriously, though, thanks for the cleanup work. — Gavia immer (talk) 02:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-30T02:43:00.000Z","author":"Gavia immer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gavia_immer-2009-07-30T02:43:00.000Z-Walking_stick_et_al.","replies":["c-Keith_D-2009-07-30T09:25:00.000Z-Gavia_immer-2009-07-30T02:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Much appreciated. I thought I would have to leave it part done as I started to get errors as there was some sort of server problem. Still do not know where the cane (tool) redirect, which was a significant article at an earlier version, was cut to or may be it was used to make the new version of cane. Keith D (talk) 09:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-30T09:25:00.000Z","author":"Keith D","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Keith_D-2009-07-30T09:25:00.000Z-Gavia_immer-2009-07-30T02:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Alarics-2009-07-30T13:46:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-30T09:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks from me too. I had done some work on these and then somebody came along and started redirecting things all over the place, no doubt meaning well but leaving things if anything more confused, to me anyway. Your intervention has restored some of my text and I think it all makes a bit more sense now. Alarics (talk) 13:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-30T13:46:00.000Z","author":"Alarics","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Alarics-2009-07-30T13:46:00.000Z-Keith_D-2009-07-30T09:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Probably just an error, I'll look into it. Thanks, Mtaylor848 (talk) 22:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-30T22:16:00.000Z","author":"Mtaylor848","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mtaylor848-2009-07-30T22:16:00.000Z-Leeds_reference","replies":[]}}-->

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 16 - August 2009 July issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the sixteenth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 6,538 last month to 6,651 on July 27th). WP:LONDON have had a major tagging spree by a bot and now have 12,595 articles which is twice as may as this project. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 39 out of a total number of 1,946 articles. In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 46 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 45. If you would like to discuss changes to Priorities, please join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are sixteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop) • Paulinus of York • Wilfred There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Peak District passed a GA review on July 2nd Ilkley failed a GA review on July 19th Arctic Monkeys kept following GAR reassessment on July 21st York nominated for GA review on July 21st Geoffrey Boycott nominated for GA review on July 25th Member News There are now 65 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the July newsletter: Fuchsia Perfect (talk · contribs) rfsmit (talk · contribs) One member left the project this month: Adamjhepton (talk · contribs) Thanks There has again been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date. The football and rugby editors have continued keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs.  Great! WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big Thank you to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA Other ??? Total FA 2 1 15 60 78 FL 1 16 17 GA 2 7 36 178 223 B 9 67 137 373 586 C 5 144 303 1,518 1,970 Start 1 242 1,259 8,703 10,205 Stub 21 352 5,658 3 6,034 List 4 12 983 999 Category 3,900 1 3,901 Disambig 21 21 File 22 22 Portal 95 95 Project 127 127 Redirect 2 198 1,362 1,562 Template 589 589 NA 1 1 Other 9 9 Assessed 19 486 2,117 17,687 6,129 1 26,439 Unassessed 1 1 Total 19 486 2,117 17,687 6,129 1 1 26,440 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 97,295 Ω = 5.10 Assessment Assess and review As of 31 July, 2009, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however)  Thanks Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members Images This month we focus on a recent requirement for images in articles—that of supplying alternative text for each of the images. This has been raised in FAC debates and is now a requirement for FA articles and as a result there is a general push to get all images marked-up. For example the {{Infobox UK place}} is currently undergoing changes in preparation for the use of alternative text on its images. Alternative text is text added to the image mark-up to describe the image to someone who cannot see the image. The alternative text is in addition to the caption and should not duplicate information in the caption. It should be added, without any wikimark-up or line-breaks in it, using the alt= parameter of the image mark-up. For more information on this see WP:ALT. Example [[Image:York castle exterior.jpg|thumb|100px|alt=A tall, circular, roofless building of honey coloured stone positioned on top of a high mound of grass.|The exterior of York Castle, including a large portion of the motte.]] (If you are using a standard graphical browser and want to read this image's alt text, ask the browser to display the image's properties. Usually right click, properties.) The same requirement is to be applied to Math-mode formulas but is probably less important to this project as very few of our articles contain such mark-up. Please remember... The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. The latest listing was created on June 18th. Monitor Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Infoboxes Many of our articles would benefit from the addition of an appropriate infobox. References Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. Comments, questions and suggestions about this, or any, issue of the newsletter are always welcome and can be made by pressing the feedback button below... Written by Keith D and Harkey• Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS?? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome!

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