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Have you ever edited under another account? I find it really weird that an editor with scarcely 100 edits under their belt would show up and lecture me on Wikipedia policy. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:18, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-12T20:18:00.000Z","author":"Hijiri88","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hijiri88-2019-11-12T20:18:00.000Z-Out_of_curiosity","replies":[],"displayName":"Hijiri 88"}}-->

BTW, the fifth sentence of the opening paragraph of WP:NOR explains why what I am doing would not be a policy violation even if I weren't just maintaining a previous consensus. It would be a good idea not to make such comments again. Repeatedly calling talk page comments "original research" is a pretty good sign of tendentious editing. No one would need to make such comments in good faith. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:57, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-12T20:57:00.000Z","author":"Hijiri88","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hijiri88-2019-11-12T20:57:00.000Z-Out_of_curiosity","replies":[],"displayName":"Hijiri 88"}}-->

No, I have never used any other Wikipedia accounts, but as I was commenting on other articles, I did want to make note of what looks to me like original research.

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But... you have only ever edited one article talk page before...? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 22:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-12T22:49:00.000Z","author":"Hijiri88","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hijiri88-2019-11-12T22:49:00.000Z-IvoryTower123-2019-11-12T21:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Hijiri 88"}}-->

I can kinda understand some of the other editors who don't read Japanese !voting the way they have, but for your to outright dismiss Hasegawa as a source and completely ignore the evidence he gives comes across as being in bad faith. I will ask you to take this last chance to demonstrate your good faith by either retracting your !vote or explaining how the description of mottainashi's use in the Genpei Jōsuiki (soon to be added to Version C if all goes well) actually doesn't contradict the claim attributed in Version A to Taylor. Please also note that Taylor actually admits he didn't consult the Jōsuiki -- his cited source, if you read the endnote, is the Heike Monogatari. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-17T02:13:00.000Z","author":"Hijiri88","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hijiri88-2019-11-17T02:13:00.000Z-Please_read_the_evidence_before_!voting","replies":["c-IvoryTower123-2019-11-18T18:31:00.000Z-Hijiri88-2019-11-17T02:13:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Hijiri 88"}}-->

I didn't dismiss Hasegawa, but that source is no better or worse than Yuko Kawanishi, and he didn't even contradict Yuko Kawanishi. I never saw a secondary source contradicting Taylor either. You keep on quibbling with the credentials of people with far greater credentials than either of us and making up ideas about why the Buddhist origin of mottainai is wrong, even when everyone else says otherwise. I guess I just have a pet peeve against original research, and that's clearly what you're doing there. IvoryTower123 (talk) 18:31, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-18T18:31:00.000Z","author":"IvoryTower123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-IvoryTower123-2019-11-18T18:31:00.000Z-Hijiri88-2019-11-17T02:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hijiri88-2019-11-19T07:20:00.000Z-IvoryTower123-2019-11-18T18:31:00.000Z","c-Hijiri88-2019-11-19T07:21:00.000Z-IvoryTower123-2019-11-18T18:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Taylor says the word mottainai appears in the 弓流 narrative in the Genpei Jōsuiki, but he cites a translation of the Heike Monogatari. Hasegawa says that the word mottainai is used in the 平氏手向を嫌ふ narrative in the Genpei. Moreover, no Japanese text of the 弓流 uses the word, and McCullough's translation doesn't mention it either. Do you want me to waste more time looking for a secondary source that explicitly says the 弓流 narrative doesn't appear in the Genpei Jōsuiki? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:20, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-19T07:20:00.000Z","author":"Hijiri88","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hijiri88-2019-11-19T07:20:00.000Z-IvoryTower123-2019-11-18T18:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Hijiri 88"}}-->

Anyway, if you think that what I am doing is "original research" (by Wikipedia's "No Original Research" policy's definition) then you need to re-read it. Nothing I have inserted into the article is original research, and if you make such an accusation again I will request that you be blocked for your repeated and unapologetic personal attacks. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:21, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-19T07:21:00.000Z","author":"Hijiri88","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hijiri88-2019-11-19T07:21:00.000Z-IvoryTower123-2019-11-18T18:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Hijiri 88"}}-->

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Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people.

You have been warned numerous times by several different editors, including an admin in an unambiguously worded RFC closer, to stop this "original research" talk. The fact that you repeated it here even after said admin offered clarification of their already-unambiguous notice regarding the matter, shows that you are either (a) not paying attention to outside criticism due to an inability to understand our editing policies or (b) editing in bad faith.

Stop. Now. If you repeat this accusation one more time, I will ask that you be blocked.

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Note that given that I issued you with a similar final warning almost four months ago (I had forgotten that fact), I am strongly considering withdrawing the "if you repeat this accusation one more time" part of the above warning. It seems you do not listen to warnings, and so preventative sanctions may be the only way to address the matter. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:20, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-03-05T10:20:00.000Z","author":"Hijiri88","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hijiri88-2020-03-05T10:20:00.000Z-Hijiri88-2020-03-05T01:25:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Hijiri 88"}}-->

Well, I still personally view it as original research, as I explained on the talk page, and I don't think the admin ever explicitly disagreed with that. However, we are all entitled to our personal opinions here. IvoryTower123 (talk) 20:22, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-03-05T20:22:00.000Z","author":"IvoryTower123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-IvoryTower123-2020-03-05T20:22:00.000Z-Hijiri88-2020-03-05T01:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hijiri88-2020-03-09T03:39:00.000Z-IvoryTower123-2020-03-05T20:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Okay, I've reported you on ANI for the above. Hopefully this will end peaceably with you retracting your accusations and convincing the community that you understand our NOR policy. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:39, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-03-09T03:39:00.000Z","author":"Hijiri88","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hijiri88-2020-03-09T03:39:00.000Z-IvoryTower123-2020-03-05T20:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Hijiri 88"}}-->

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