Hello, I’m not too sure why you deleted the information table regarding the three Paraverse shows, please could you explain Franchisegeek (talk) 14:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010141000","author":"Franchisegeek","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Franchisegeek-20241010141000-Paraverse_edit","replies":["c-Indagate-20241010141700-Franchisegeek-20241010141000"]}}-->
hey, did you not see my edit summary which explained revert? Indagate (talk) 14:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010141700","author":"Indagate","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Indagate-20241010141700-Franchisegeek-20241010141000","replies":["c-Franchisegeek-20241010142600-Indagate-20241010141700"]}}-->
Yes and I disagree with it, as the information is relevant as they are all part of an interconnected TV franchise starting with the main show Death in Paradise, so I added that information table so that people could look and see if characters have crossed over etc without having to be a fan of all three shows as I now know so me people may not to back and watch 13+ series of Death in Paradise to know about a character Franchisegeek (talk) 14:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010142600","author":"Franchisegeek","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Franchisegeek-20241010142600-Indagate-20241010141700","replies":["c-Indagate-20241010143500-Franchisegeek-20241010142600"]}}-->
That article is for the series Death in Paradise, not a franchise article. The characters for that series are already listed, and characters for the other series are listed in their own articles where they belong. Indagate (talk) 14:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010143500","author":"Indagate","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Indagate-20241010143500-Franchisegeek-20241010142600","replies":["c-Franchisegeek-20241010143800-Indagate-20241010143500"]}}-->
Ok I can respect that, however I have seen other articles listing whole franchises as well as the individual TV shows Franchisegeek (talk) 14:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010143800","author":"Franchisegeek","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Franchisegeek-20241010143800-Indagate-20241010143500","replies":["c-Indagate-20241010144400-Franchisegeek-20241010143800"]}}-->
There are TV franchises which are notable enough as a franchise for their own article. Paradise is not a notable enough franchise. This should be discussed at the article talk page from the start anyway, not here. Indagate (talk) 14:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010144400","author":"Indagate","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Indagate-20241010144400-Franchisegeek-20241010143800","replies":["c-Franchisegeek-20241010144800-Indagate-20241010144400"]}}-->
Ok, I even though I disagree with it not being notable enough I can respect it, thank you for your response Franchisegeek (talk) 14:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010144800","author":"Franchisegeek","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Franchisegeek-20241010144800-Indagate-20241010144400","replies":[]}}-->
As I explained, and since since disagreement has become evident, this transcluded format of reception tables has been reverted and contested before, and as far as I know, there has never been a clear consensus formed to use it - unless you can link me to one? -- Alex_21TALK11:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016113800","author":"Alex 21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alex_21-20241016113800-Reception_transclusion","replies":["c-Indagate-20241016133700-Alex_21-20241016113800"],"displayName":"Alex_21"}}-->
There's no consensus to not use it either (as far as I'm aware anyway). Used on other articles without objection. Was added 31 December 2022 (diff) so over 1.5 years since. That article didn't have this table at all before added like this. The status quo that was in place for over 1.5 years should stay until consensus otherwise, per WP:BRD. Can't just remove anything that far back with reason of no consensus just because it's not been discussed etc. Indagate (talk) 13:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016133700","author":"Indagate","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Indagate-20241016133700-Alex_21-20241016113800","replies":["c-Alex_21-20241017004700-Indagate-20241016133700"]}}-->
One and a half years doesn't mean a solid consensus at all. The original edit was its inclusion, which has been disputed, and there is a far wider usage of regular tables than jargoned transcluded tables. There's a difference between transcluding a few statistics, and transcluding an episode table with over 100 cells of unique information - if this was the basis for transcluding, we could transclude mass swaths of information between parent and season articles. -- Alex_21TALK00:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017004700","author":"Alex 21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Alex_21-20241017004700-Indagate-20241016133700","replies":["c-Indagate-20241017081100-Alex_21-20241017004700"],"displayName":"Alex_21"}}-->
The original edit of its inclusion has got implied consensus as not been disputed for 1.5 years, so should get consensus to change that original edit per WP:BRD, not other way round. Wider usage of untranscluded tables because there's no need for most usages, but lack of prior usage isn't a reason to not do something when it doesn't go against consensus. 7,318 of bytes over 18 rows as example from that article is more than a "few statistics". There aren't other complete tables shared between articles so don't see them as viable for translcuding, so there's not "mass swaths of information" that could be transcluded, WP:TMPG says can't use templates for article text, principle can apply to translcuding but tables aren't article text. Indagate (talk) 08:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017081100","author":"Indagate","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Indagate-20241017081100-Alex_21-20241017004700","replies":[]}}-->
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Sorry I totally misread the diff. Editing while tired. (I thought you were moving the Cinemascore reference to the top of the column. didn't realize I'd put the Deadline reference in the wrong column.) The preview button wont save me from editing while distracted. Thanks though. -- 109.76.130.60 (talk) 12:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241229122900","author":"109.76.130.60","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-109.76.130.60-20241229122900-Sorry","replies":["c-Indagate-20241229124600-109.76.130.60-20241229122900"]}}-->
No worries, thanks. Indagate (talk) 12:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241229124600","author":"Indagate","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Indagate-20241229124600-109.76.130.60-20241229122900","replies":[]}}-->
