User talk:Guy Harris/Archives/2020/04


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FreeBSD GA reassessment

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FreeBSD, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Tonystewart14 (talk) 01:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-09T01:28:00.000Z","author":"Tonystewart14","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tonystewart14-2020-04-09T01:28:00.000Z-FreeBSD_GA_reassessment","replies":[]}}-->

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Frame synchronization (video) moved to draftspace

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An article you recently created, Frame synchronization (video), does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Ethanpet113 (talk) 15:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-10T15:56:00.000Z","author":"Ethanpet113","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ethanpet113-2020-04-10T15:56:00.000Z-Frame_synchronization_(video)_moved_to_draftspace","replies":["c-Guy_Harris-2020-04-10T20:22:00.000Z-Ethanpet113-2020-04-10T15:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Ethanpet113: It was "created" (and not particularly "recently"; 6 years ago isn't "recently" on a Wikipedia time scale) in this edit, which involved me moving stuff from Frame synchronization, written by other people, to the new page, making no contributions of my own, so that two completely unrelated forms of "frame synchronization" (unrelated because they're about two completely unrelated forms of "frame") aren't discussed in the same article. If you want citations, you should probably ask the people who wrote that material, not me. I won't be bothered personally if the article is just removed; I only created the article, rather than just removing the information about video frame synchronization, for the benefit of those who might want to have that material available on the Wikipedia.
(And, yes, I know about the policy on sources, as I've been here since 2004.)Guy Harris (talk) 20:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-10T20:22:00.000Z","author":"Guy Harris","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Guy_Harris-2020-04-10T20:22:00.000Z-Ethanpet113-2020-04-10T15:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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The Doctorkaufman edit

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to "List of IBM Products" included removal of links such as

- ==Unit record equipment== + ==Unit record equipment==

which I will admit to not understanding. 67.160.197.209 (talk) 17:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-26T17:23:00.000Z","author":"67.160.197.209","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-67.160.197.209-2018-10-26T17:23:00.000Z-The_Doctorkaufman_edit","replies":["c-Drmies-2018-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-67.160.197.209-2018-10-26T17:23:00.000Z","c-Guy_Harris-2018-10-26T18:08:00.000Z-67.160.197.209-2018-10-26T17:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

  • We don't do wikilinks in section headings. Drmies (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-26T17:24:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2018-10-26T17:24:00.000Z-67.160.197.209-2018-10-26T17:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
  • I'm not sure why you're asking me rather than User:Doctorkaufman. Guy Harris (talk) 18:08, 26 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-26T18:08:00.000Z","author":"Guy Harris","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Guy_Harris-2018-10-26T18:08:00.000Z-67.160.197.209-2018-10-26T17:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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NVRAM, NVMEM & NVDIMM

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NetApp using non-volatile memory for NVLOGS in two forms: with low end systems as NVDIMMs (DIMM memory connected to memory bus directly) for example FAS2240, 2552, 2650, 2750. And as NVRAM in mid-range & high end systems (PCI card with memory on it obviously it is connected to PCI bus). For example FAS3220, 8040, 8200. NVRAM & NVDIMM are quite similar things and both used for NVLOGs in NetApp FAS Systems but yet a bit different entities: Starting with A800 NetApp decided to ditch NVRAM in it's systems and replaced it with NVDIMMs. No NVRAM will be used because PCI is more slow compare to memory bus and with All Flash FAS systems it become noticeable. Since old & new systems in past used NVDIMM & NVRAM it might confuse some people so it would be easier for readers to refer both of this technologies under single name.

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@Qdrddr: The single name for the hardware is nonvolatile memory. The NVLOG (a software concept) is stored there. Guy Harris (talk) 22:09, 16 May 2018 (UTC) Ok. lets keep it nonvolatile memory — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qdrddr (talk • contribs) 01:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-16T22:09:00.000Z","author":"Guy Harris","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Guy_Harris-2018-05-16T22:09:00.000Z-NVRAM,_NVMEM_&_NVDIMM","replies":[]}}-->

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Interesting fact: http://www.curtamania.com doesn't work in some regions

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Context: dead link in Programma_101.

Link doesn't work in Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Turkey and maybe in some other countries too.

Works in Canada and Germany.

Tests for Poland: works for some reason in proksiak (maybe because it's over https), doesn't work in other proxies and directly.

Country check: showip.net --MarMi wiki (talk) 01:26, 7 January 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-07T01:26:00.000Z","author":"MarMi wiki","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MarMi_wiki-2019-01-07T01:26:00.000Z-Interesting_fact:_http:\/\/www.curtamania.com_doesn't_work_in_some_regions","replies":[]}}-->

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diff (algana archive.org link)

Archived page loads, but when you click on the UK flag icon or one of the initials, you got blank page (because subpages aren't archived), which makes that archive link useless. --MarMi wiki (talk) 22:01, 19 January 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-19T22:01:00.000Z","author":"MarMi wiki","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MarMi_wiki-2019-01-19T22:01:00.000Z-History_of_Computing#External_links","replies":["c-Guy_Harris-2019-03-03T10:03:00.000Z-MarMi_wiki-2019-01-19T22:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

@MarMi wiki: OK, I've removed the link. Somebody who cares can put forth an effort to make it work if they wish. Guy Harris (talk) 10:03, 3 March 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-03T10:03:00.000Z","author":"Guy Harris","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Guy_Harris-2019-03-03T10:03:00.000Z-MarMi_wiki-2019-01-19T22:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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UNIX File System Variants and History

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Thanks for your input at Talk:File_system#Proposed_merge_with_Disk_quota.

In order to pull all the UNIX File Systems into one article I'm thinking of expanding Unix and Unix-like operating systems along the lines of A Brief History of UNIX File Systems by Val Henson. I have Henson's permission to post her material as necessary. Instead of listing OSes as sub-sections of Section 5.1, I propose listing the files systems with links to main articles where they exist. Something like this taken from Henson

5.1 Unix and Unix-like operating systems ...
5.1.1 FS ...
5.1.2 FFS ...
5.1.3 USF ...
5.1.4 ext(s) ...
5.1.5 VxFS ...
5.1.6 JFS ...
5.1.7 WAFL ...
5.1.8 reiser4 ...
5.1.9 ZFS ...

I'm not exactly sure what to do about which FSes are supported by which UNIX, maybe a generic statement in the lead of Section 5.1.

An alternative might be an article "UNIX File Systems" (note the plural) or "History of UNIX file systems" with appropriate links.

You are clearly more knowledgeable in UNIX FS variants so I'd like your thoughts before I post this to the articles talk section. Ping me in any response. Thanks Tom94022 (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-01T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Tom94022","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tom94022-2019-05-01T19:45:00.000Z-UNIX_File_System_Variants_and_History","replies":[]}}-->

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IA-32 in Mac OS X Lion

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I'm really sure about 32 bit in Lion. I have my Hackintosh, Dell 1525 using Intel GMA X3100 with Mac OS X Lion IA-32 (to support GMA X3100, Mac OS have to use IA-32). Hautho123 (talk) 09:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-08-10T09:40:00.000Z","author":"Hautho123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hautho123-2019-08-10T09:40:00.000Z-IA-32_in_Mac_OS_X_Lion","replies":["c-Guy_Harris-2019-08-10T18:45:00.000Z-Hautho123-2019-08-10T09:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Hautho123: /mach_kernel on my Lion VM is fat, so there is still IA-32 kernel code in the release (I didn't check to see which kexts were fat). However, no 32-bit processors are listed in the page on upgrading to Lion, so Apple didn't support that configuration, and thus it's not a "supported platform" - your machine, not having been made by Apple, is not a "supported" machine, it's a machine on which the OS has been made to run despite the lack of support from the OS's vendor.
It's been sufficiently long that I no longer remember when the decision was made not to support 32-bit Macs; it might have been made after I left. I also don't remember any indication being given as to why the kernel continued to be built fat. Guy Harris (talk) 18:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-08-10T18:45:00.000Z","author":"Guy Harris","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Guy_Harris-2019-08-10T18:45:00.000Z-Hautho123-2019-08-10T09:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Guy_Harris-2019-08-29T02:33:00.000Z-Guy_Harris-2019-08-10T18:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Hautho123: In addition, unless Lion was K64 for all machines, the IA-32 kernel code may have been there for the benefit of 64-bit machines with smaller amounts of memory, or for cases where a 32-bit-only kext was required for some device. I don't remember which release went K64-only. So the code was probably not tested on IA-32 machines, and might even have had some code necessary to support IA-32 machines removed. Guy Harris (talk) 02:33, 29 August 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-08-29T02:33:00.000Z","author":"Guy Harris","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Guy_Harris-2019-08-29T02:33:00.000Z-Guy_Harris-2019-08-10T18:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi Guy, our edits crossed - agree with your change and I didn't intend to undo it. Must have been editing in my window while you made your edit. Best regards, Whizz40 (talk) 08:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-22T08:26:00.000Z","author":"Whizz40","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Whizz40-2020-04-22T08:26:00.000Z-Crossed_edits","replies":[]}}-->

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As I understand it {{currentyear}} is updated every time the page is updated, so if (when) zOS dies someone will update the page to include the date, thereby deleting this template. Peter Flass (talk) 17:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-25T17:44:00.000Z","author":"Peter Flass","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peter_Flass-2020-04-25T17:44:00.000Z-currentyear","replies":["c-Guy_Harris-2020-04-25T19:46:00.000Z-Peter_Flass-2020-04-25T17:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Peter Flass: Magic words#Other variables by type doesn't explicitly say what {{CURRENTYEAR}} does, but the name doesn't suggest anything about page updates, and the page does say that there's also a {{REVISIONYEAR}} magic word, along with other {{REVISIONxxx}} magic words, including {{REVISIONUSER}}, which "shows the last user to edit the page", so you may be thinking of {{REVISIONYEAR}}.
However, Template:As of#Usage says "The template {{as of}} is used to mark potentially dated statements, and will add an article to the appropriate hidden sub-category of Category:Articles containing potentially dated statements. This allows editors to catalogue statements that may become dated over time.", suggesting that it's intended for precisely the sort of statement used in OS/360 and successors. Guy Harris (talk) 19:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-25T19:46:00.000Z","author":"Guy Harris","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Guy_Harris-2020-04-25T19:46:00.000Z-Peter_Flass-2020-04-25T17:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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