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... is now a thing. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221215172200","author":"UtherSRG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-UtherSRG-20221215172200-Phoeniconaias_genus_article...","replies":["c-Elmidae-20221215180500-UtherSRG-20221215172200"]}}-->

@UtherSRG: serendipity! :} --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221215180500","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20221215180500-UtherSRG-20221215172200","replies":["c-UtherSRG-20221215180900-Elmidae-20221215180500"]}}-->

I saw your edit comment when you added the little bit about the extinct species, so but this on my mental to do list. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221215180900","author":"UtherSRG","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-UtherSRG-20221215180900-Elmidae-20221215180500","replies":[]}}-->

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Please read MOS:ELLIPSIS.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230104214600","author":"Toddy1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Toddy1-20230104214600-How_to_do_ellipses","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230105135800-Toddy1-20230104214600"]}}-->

@Toddy1: noted (but see the the sub-heading two down - on using square brackets. Not quite as cut and dried as you may think). I agree the box is superfluous if we have the quote in the text as well. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230105135800","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230105135800-Toddy1-20230104214600","replies":[]}}-->

Is it not hard for you to write which scientists said this in the article you linked? Or at least attach a more primary source rather than a newspaper article? I am following the conventions given under "Unsupported attributions," which gives examples of weasel words such as, "scientists claim," "research has shown," etc. The wording which you defend in Trumpeter swan is almost verbatim one of the listed examples of weasel words (i.e., "scientists attribute..."), and so it might not match Wikipedia's manual of style.

These are not my subjective standards; these are Wikipedia's own standards. While I am not necessarily disagreeing with what has been written there, it helps to write which scientists have put forth which results, since they can look further into that scientists' work and also compare these in cases where scientists might disagree. Also, it would help if the source you put there were at least an actual scientific journal article (e.g., the ones that the New York Times article might be sourcing) rather than the New York Times itself, as more mainstream, non-technical newspapers are definitely not immune from featuring views which may not represent the consensus within a certain academic field. Lastly, you say that, "Readers can check the source," but somebody who is not a New York Times subscriber is going to get paywalled.Lisztrachmaninovfan (talk) 06:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108064000","author":"Lisztrachmaninovfan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lisztrachmaninovfan-20230108064000-On_the_Trumpeter_swan_article...","replies":[]}}-->

Very curious why the line referring back to iNaturalist was removed as being 'unreliable '? Is it because anything on iNaturalist is unreliable or that Associate Professor Tanya Latty who is running the project that I linked to is not credible? perhaps should I have referenced T.Latty in more detail about the statement ? I am very new here and am genuinely seeking guidance.. cheersEdisstrange (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230112025300","author":"Edisstrange","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Edisstrange-20230112025300-Anoplognathus_rhinastus","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230112081200-Edisstrange-20230112025300"]}}-->

@Edisstrange: yes, iNaturalist is crowd-sourced, which makes it an unreliable source for factual claims (just as Wikipedia itself is ineligible as a cited source, for the same reason!) That said, plenty of species articles have iNat refs in them to provide images or to show a map of reported sightings - while not strictly by the book, these are generally accepted because the chance of false content is low (i.e., it's likely that the aggregate of these sightings does give a reasonable distribution map, even accounting for errors). But single statements like "this was the first recorded sighting since XXXX", as was used here, would need a more reliable source. - If that re-sighting has been taken onto a university website or similar and a reliable 3rd party has thus taken ownership of the claim, maybe you can use that as a reference? Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:12, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230112081200","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230112081200-Edisstrange-20230112025300","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for replying and clearing that up ! Cheers Edisstrange (talk) 08:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230112084900","author":"Edisstrange","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Edisstrange-20230112084900-Anoplognathus_rhinastus","replies":[]}}-->

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I have read Vanamonde93's reply that he/she mentioned. I have linked artivcles where Eunuchs killed two newborn babies, and also killed a man for not paying money. I don't understand why he says that is not extortion but harassment, begging. Most likey they don't check all sources properly. I have also mentioned about arrests, public protests.

I didn't mention vernacular media as I found English media.

These are the articles I didn't mentioned, but linking here.

Why eunuchs are allowed to extort money? asks Lokayukta-https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/why-eunuchs-are-allowed-to-extort-money-asks-lokayukta/articleshow/35749004.cms Lokayukta is government.

As I have linked many articles, where the name of the topic is extortion, here the word extortyion is used within the article not heading.--India's estimated 50,000 eunuchs are at a crossroads of survival in their shadowy half-world of superstition and extortion. --https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1983/08/07/indias-eunuchs-have-fallen-in-esteem/7779c281-15a0-4fac-8b7f-69db60d4d17c/ Rambo XTerminator (talk) 11:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230125110700","author":"Rambo XTerminator","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rambo_XTerminator-20230125110700-Extortion_by_eunuchs_in_India","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230125125800-Rambo_XTerminator-20230125110700"]}}-->

Copying this to the project talkpage, since that is where the discussion is happening. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230125125800","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230125125800-Rambo_XTerminator-20230125110700","replies":[]}}-->

TY for the edits on Bombus crotchii; I tend not to think of "overcitation" as being template-worthy but made a bunch of smart changes. I stand corrected. jengod (talk) 21:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230212215900","author":"Jengod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jengod-20230212215900-TY","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230213065200-Jengod-20230212215900"]}}-->

All good :) Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230213065200","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230213065200-Jengod-20230212215900","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, thx for your restore. My edit removed a period ("."), somehow my edit was on an older version of the article (it was weird, I saw that text flash as the edit processed, I ignored it but shouldn't have, should have checked this edit history after; still don't know how I got entered into an older version). Apologies. Again thanks. --IHTS (talk) 12:42, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230310124200","author":"Ihardlythinkso","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ihardlythinkso-20230310124200-At_article_Human","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230310124500-Ihardlythinkso-20230310124200"],"displayName":"IHTS"}}-->

Ha, okay, that explains it :p --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230310124500","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230310124500-Ihardlythinkso-20230310124200","replies":["c-Ihardlythinkso-20230310124900-Elmidae-20230310124500"]}}-->

Oh now I know. (I entered the article via a link from WP:CLASSES where the article was listed as example of a class B article. (That link no doubt took me to status of the article when was class B. Noticed the class was "Good" not "B" after my edit, surmised the info at CLASSES was out of date, my wrong surmise.) Now am wiser. Thx again. --IHTS (talk) 12:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230310124900","author":"Ihardlythinkso","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ihardlythinkso-20230310124900-Elmidae-20230310124500","replies":[],"displayName":"IHTS"}}-->

Why did you revert my edits on the Wikipedia article giraffe? In your edit summary you said it was about the genus not the species, if it's about the genus why does it have a binomial name which is Giraffa camelopardalis? If it is really about the genus then what is Giraffa camelopardalis, is this not about the species? I'm confused, please explain. Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 10:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230312103100","author":"Dancing Dollar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dancing_Dollar-20230312103100-Giraffe","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230312110500-Dancing_Dollar-20230312103100","c-Dancing_Dollar-20230312112700-Dancing_Dollar-20230312103100"]}}-->

@Dancing Dollar: check out the Taxonomy section for the attendant complications (for that matter, the lede explains this as well). Giraffe classification vaccilates between one and nine species or subspecies, plus there's a bunch of fossil species. All of these are known as "giraffe". We've also had numerous discussions on the talk page about how these variations in classification are to presented across articles. The current phrasing has been chosen to prevent the reader from assuming that this article is about one species only, or that it is even clear that there is only one species. This cannot be really be communicated in a taxobox, which is why that sticks to the basic binomial setup, but it can be done in text, which is why the article does not start off like a typical species article. I would suggest that if you feel strongly about this, you take it to the talk page? Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230312110500","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230312110500-Dancing_Dollar-20230312103100","replies":[]}}-->

OK, thanks for explaining, I understand now, and I won't bother with the Taxonomy of the giraffe. Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 11:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230312112700","author":"Dancing Dollar","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dancing_Dollar-20230312112700-Dancing_Dollar-20230312103100","replies":[]}}-->

Why are you going to all my contributions and reverting them? Feels a bit like stalking. You said things like "low quality" which is a personal opinion maybe but the videos are in high resolution 4k and clearly show the behavior of the subject of the articles. Not every Wiki user has seen these birds in real life, and a video helps to illustrate motion/behavior etc. Please justify yourself before further stalking my contributions. Thanks. Nesnad (talk) 11:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Hmm. I noticed now that you also reverted my goldfish contribution etc too. This clearly feels targeted. Have I offended you? Lets discuss it. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230312115900","author":"Nesnad","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nesnad-20230312115900-Stalking?","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230312165900-Nesnad-20230312115900"]}}-->

@Nesnad: I noticed you adding material of doubtful quality and therefore checked your other contributions, and found more of the same (most of these articles are on my watchlist anyway). That is not WP:STALKING and you would be well advised not to bandy this accusation around without cause. - As for the quality of these videos, I disagree that shots of birds walking or flitting around in a cage are high-quality or even substantially informative additions to these articles. The video added to golden pheasant for example consists mostly of cage bars blurring past while a pheasant takes a few steps behind them. That's an indifferent and uninformative home video that should not be taking up screen real estate in an encyclopedia, especially in articles already well supplied with image material. The goldfish is gasping in place in a bare aquarium - how is that useful information for the reader? Creators of images, videos or artwork are frequently least well placed to assess the suitability for use on WP because they obviously have a creator's attachment to this stuff. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230312165900","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230312165900-Nesnad-20230312115900","replies":["c-Nesnad-20230312172700-Elmidae-20230312165900","c-Dancing_Dollar-20230312194000-Elmidae-20230312165900","c-Nesnad-20230313052300-Elmidae-20230312165900"]}}-->

Why are you the god of deciding quality though? A fence makes something have no quality? You might be very familiar with these animals and so it might not have "value" to you, but to someone who hasn't seen them it shows movement, shape and qualities that a photograph can't convey. I really don't understand the Java sparrow deletion. If your problem is a fence, there was no fence? It shows how the birds behave and interact. If you think they are not high enough quality, go take your own videos and add those. But unless you can explain how they are not valuable I think they should be added back. Not everyone is an expert on bird motions or whatever you are claiming to be. So don't go around harassing me because you want to belittle my contributions (which I have no "attachment" to, I took them for Wikipedia--- to add to it's value not my value... as the main page says Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." It's not about some weird "must have television quality visuals only" or something? The whole point is the democratization of knowledge. I will add the videos back if you don't disagree with me helping to share knowledge with the world, Nesnad (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230312172700","author":"Nesnad","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nesnad-20230312172700-Elmidae-20230312165900","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230312181200-Nesnad-20230312172700"]}}-->

@Nesnad: Building a well-constructed encyclopedia is not congruent with the "everyone dumping all possible content on a page" approach you seem to favour. We all make value judgement about suitable material, all the time, and the way to resolve these issues is input from multiple editors. That is why we should be having this discussion on the affected articles' talk pages. However, no one is going to start a pro forma discussion for every revert they make, only if it is necessary. Hence: if you are so resolved to reinstate your material, I will revert it again, then kick of a discussion at the relevant talk page. At which time the matter will remain in abeyance until resolved by consensus (see WP:BRD).--Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230312181200","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230312181200-Nesnad-20230312172700","replies":[]}}-->

I see you two editors are arguing about content on Wikipedia, so how did this all begin? On one hand we have Elmidae the reverter and on the other we have Nesnad the provider of videos. Elmidae seems to be pissed off by the addition of videos on articles while Nesnad seems to think otherwise. I used to have these kinds of fights with my wife but it stopped thanks to a third opinion, so maybe that's what is needed here. So first of all, Nesnad why are you adding videos? That's what your contributions are all about and Elmidae seems to be reverting a fair amount of these edits. Just be on good terms with each other, I think it might be helpful if you guys just stop this until you come to an agreement. This situation is like when there's an art project and one of the artists wants to add glitter to the project but one artist keeps on removing it so they eventually come into conflict. But ask yourself this question, Have you ever felt like you know you’re right, but the other person doesn’t understand? In this case just compromise, for example Elmidae can say "Maybe you're right, not everybody may be an expert or know how these creatures move" or Nesnad can say "Maybe Elmidae is right, maybe my videos are low quality". If not these, you can simply utter the words "I understand", these powerful words can have an effect but it doesn't you agree. I said what I had to say, if you can't agree then disengage. Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 19:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230312194000","author":"Dancing Dollar","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dancing_Dollar-20230312194000-Elmidae-20230312165900","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks Dancing Dollar, good thoughts. For my side, I don't want to provide low quality video so if Elmidae can point out if they are too low resolution or whatever I'm ok with not adding them. But complaining that the video isn't good because the fish is in a small tank (which many goldfish are, this isn't an encyclopedia of feel-good videos, it is about describing the creature) or that the animal is pacing in a cage (many do, once again) seems just to be emotional attacks on the content, nothing to do with them not helping to illustrate the articles. So I don't understand the gate keeping. To the point, I am open to a discussion on the matter but don't like unilateral "I am god of these articles!" kind of attitudes, that's all. Elmidae, no hard feelings to you as a person of course. I'm sure you are a great person. I just was rubbed the wrong way about your dismissal of the value I was trying to add. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 05:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230313052300","author":"Nesnad","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nesnad-20230313052300-Elmidae-20230312165900","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230313094700-Nesnad-20230313052300"]}}-->

I'm not interested in turning this into some grand contest of wills, and explaining a valuation of an image/video as unsuitable for an article is, from experience, a fruitless exercise if the other party does not want to look further than a higher resolution value. That's why we get other people's estimation at the relevant article talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230313094700","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230313094700-Nesnad-20230313052300","replies":["c-Nesnad-20230313114100-Elmidae-20230313094700"]}}-->

You are still being combative. You went through all of them and deleted them, why is it too much work to tell me why you they they have no value? I am willing to listen. Why is it your choice to delete it but we have to debate it on the talk page to add them back? That still paints you as Wiki-God. Don't understand your power trip. I'm trying to be fair and discuss it with you, and you are just trying to act like judge jury. I'm confused. Nesnad (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230313114100","author":"Nesnad","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Nesnad-20230313114100-Elmidae-20230313094700","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Elmidae,

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Wikipedia has hundreds of articles on bacteria that are "not validly published" according to LPSN (I'm not sure what the SN in LPSN is actually supposed to mean: I would say that names that aren't validly published don't have any "Standing in Nomenclature"). I'm not supportive of creating stubs for species that that aren't validly published, but I'm not sure that all such articles should be deleted, or that "not validly published" status in LPSN is sufficient grounds for deletion (on the other hand, SPECIESOUTCOMES can't be applied as a reason to keep). To pick a couple species that aren't validly published: Mycobacterium orygis is a human and veterinary pathogen; Achromobacter obae has had the complete genome sequenced (although that also true for many other species these days). I think these are likely notable species. And it's not just species; there are a number of higher level taxa that haven't been validly published, most notably, Bacteria itself, but another is Class Tissierellia. I am having more trouble finding invalidly published higher taxa than last time I browsed LPSN, but there are still some out there (until fairly recently, phyla weren't covered by the nomenclatural code, so there were no phyla that were validly published until October 2021, also see a https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/newly-renamed-prokaryote-phyla-cause-uproar-69578 news story] about phyla names), but Wikipedia had articles on bacterial phyla before that (albeit under different names).

Not being published in IJSEM is a major reason why many names listed in LPSN aren't validly published, but IJSEM does regularly publish lists validating names published in other journals. The purported publication for Saccharopolyspora salina has numerous problems and I think that it is OK to delete, but using "not validly published" as a criterion for deleting bacteria article could end up leaving Wikipedia with holes in the higher taxonomy of bacteria. Plantdrew (talk) 19:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230315192500","author":"Plantdrew","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Plantdrew-20230315192500-Bacteria_not_validly_published","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230315202200-Plantdrew-20230315192500"]}}-->

Hmm. Here I thought we had specifically been using "not validly published" as a deletion criterion in the past, but maybe I have conflated that with related reasons. There's a bit of a hybrid zone between "validly published" and "widely accepted/used/recognized", I guess, where corner cases may arise. Well, that's why we have these discussions - so the corner cases can be argued :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230315202200","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230315202200-Plantdrew-20230315192500","replies":[]}}-->

How are they NOT adventure novels? Just curious. (12.138.16.154 (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)12.138.16.154)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230320190000","author":"12.138.16.154","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-12.138.16.154-20230320190000-The_Jungle_Book_and_the_Second_Jungle_Book","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230320202700-12.138.16.154-20230320190000"]}}-->

They are short story collections; and some of the stories are adventures, some are fables, some are allegorical, and some are satires. Definitely not "adventure novels". --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230320202700","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230320202700-12.138.16.154-20230320190000","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi I am new to wiki and tried to add a citation to support my edits but didn’t succeed. The citation would be a PhD thesis from the University of Melbourne by KW Lowe “The feeding and breeding biology of the Sacred Ibis (sic Australian White Ibis) in southern Victoria”. 1984. Hoping you can re-instate my edits and advise how to add the citation. Cheers. Dribis (talk) 02:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230609021500","author":"Dribis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dribis-20230609021500-Australian_white_ibis_edits","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230609143000-Dribis-20230609021500"]}}-->

Hi Dribis - that works. I've inserted the reference. It's a pity it is not freely available online, though. Did Lowe not publish these findings in a paper at some point? He seems to have made quite a career out of this species :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:30, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230609143000","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230609143000-Dribis-20230609021500","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello Elmidae,

I saw that you reverted my edit on the page Crotalus oreganus. Given that there are numerous other articles on species where the common name comes before the scientific name, I would like to have your opinion on why this page deserves to be written differently. I'm open to listening to anyone of your reasoning.

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@BlitzkriegCat: The convention is that the first sentence of the lede attributes the text to the name of the article, then other names. That means that if the article name is "Common name", the first sentence usually goes "Common name (scientific name) is a ..."; if the article name is "Scientific name", then it usually goes "Scientific name, known as common Name, is ...". You might agree that this is a sensible arrangement to spare the reader needless puzzlement. If you think that for this article it should be the other way around than currently in use, that would be an argument about moving (i.e., renaming) the article itself to the common name. However, that is not entirely straightforward, as Crotalus_oreganus#Common_names will show, and I would argue against any such proposal. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230624173800","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230624173800-BlitzkriegCat-20230624163500","replies":["c-BlitzkriegCat-20230624175300-Elmidae-20230624173800"]}}-->

@Elmidae Alright then, I can buy into this convention. BLITZKRIEGCAT (talk) 17:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230624175300","author":"BlitzkriegCat","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BlitzkriegCat-20230624175300-Elmidae-20230624173800","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello :-) Worked hard to add another article about a super rare disease: NTBI-Glycolysis-Cytopathy (NG-Cytopathy). But where if not here? People need to know. Would you be so kind to check it? As far as I understand this is necessary. Thanks a lot! BenjaminFeldman (talk) 23:18, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230711231800","author":"BenjaminFeldman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BenjaminFeldman-20230711231800-Could_you_check,_please?","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230712061800-BenjaminFeldman-20230711231800"]}}-->

@BenjaminFeldman: I'm currently seeing two issues with the article: one, the sourcing needs to be improved. More than half of the sections do not have a single source. This is especially crucial for medical articles because they are subject to stricter guidelines (WP:MEDRS). Second, it is not entirely clear to me that this is a recognized condition on its own, rather than just a coincident combination of separate conditions. The only source that seems to treat it as an entity is Jakovleva et al., as far as I can see (this source is in there twice, BTW). If the name is not in common usage, then that would be a case of synthesis on your part, which is not something we can do here. Can you show some sources that specifially discuss "NG-Cytopathy" as a discrete condition?

Because of the sourcing issues, I have moved the article to draft for the time being (Draft:NTBI-Glycolysis-Cytopathy (NG-Cytopathy)) where it can be worked on without pressure. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230712061800","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230712061800-BenjaminFeldman-20230711231800","replies":["c-BenjaminFeldman-20230712104000-Elmidae-20230712061800"]}}-->

Thanks. This is a very recent finding. Therefore, let’s delete the draft, please. I will wait a year or two until more studies are on the table, and then write a new article. It’s an extremely rare condition, therefore we have time. Most likely there will be way more works on it in the near future. By then the terminology should also be more reliable. Therefore, could you pls. delete the draft? I was a but too early I guess. I am professionally so much into these topics that in this case I was not strict enough towards myself. Thanks again! BenjaminFeldman (talk) 10:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230712104000","author":"BenjaminFeldman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BenjaminFeldman-20230712104000-Elmidae-20230712061800","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230712105600-BenjaminFeldman-20230712104000"]}}-->

WP:There is no deadline :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230712105600","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230712105600-BenjaminFeldman-20230712104000","replies":["c-BenjaminFeldman-20230712172700-Elmidae-20230712105600"]}}-->

Thanks! As you can see I am not experienced at all in this space here. I will definitely wait for more paper/studies etc. to be published. Whenever one is professionally involved in such topics one might forget that what is crystal clear for oneself might be too early for an encyclopedia. At least as long as there is not a coherent terminology and some papers are stuck in the peer review process. One tends to forget that the general public who is the audience here needs that clarity. I have the topic on my agenda and will see how the situation looks like in a year or two. There are other topics that have also to be added to Wikipedia, more established ones. To bring them in is better invested energy I guess. I thank you for your guidance. Have a pleasant day. BenjaminFeldman (talk) 17:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230712172700","author":"BenjaminFeldman","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-BenjaminFeldman-20230712172700-Elmidae-20230712105600","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, Elmidae,

I do not understand your revert on this page.

no part of Ukraine is part of the drainage divide of any river flowing into the Baltic Sea (See : Drainage divide). You revered my correction without explanation, so I guess you have a different definition of what constitutes a basin country ?

thank you in advance.

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@SarmentFurtif: in such cases, check the referenced source, which for this statement is this. You can see that parts of western Ukraine are within the drainage basin - not much, but it does go a hundred or so km deep along one sub-system. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230810115900","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230810115900-SarmentFurtif-20230810113900","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Elmidae! A colleague at the place where I work pointed me toward a citation on the "Pileated woodpecker" page which seems to be bogus ("Woodpecker excavations promote tree decay and carbon storage in an old forest"); this citation was added by Filippetr2 back in March. After doing a quick search for it and realizing that the DOI was misassigned and the title did not yield any hits, I removed it. We suspect this was an AI-generated citation. Either way, I removed it and made a note on the WP:LLM talk page. I was wondering if you had any thoughts about this?--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230828140900","author":"Gen. Quon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gen._Quon-20230828140900-Pileated_woodpecker","replies":["c-Elmidae-20230828141800-Gen._Quon-20230828140900"]}}-->

@Gen. Quon: beats me, frankly. I just went looking after this as well when I saw you remove it. Not only does the DOI point somewhere else, but no issue in this year of the paper's run has page numbers > 600, whereas this is stated to be in the 700s. It's nowhere in the adjacent volumes either. So, yeah - a hoax. I have no idea what the point of that was, seeing that the attributed statement seems credible and quite uncontroversial. Thanks for verifying! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230828141800","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20230828141800-Gen._Quon-20230828140900","replies":[]}}-->

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gyurkovicsarna. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:32, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230831203200","author":"ToBeFree","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ToBeFree-20230831203200-Deletion_discussion_invitation","replies":[],"displayName":"~ ToBeFree"}}-->

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Australiformis by Mattximus Rodrigues night heron by FunkMonk Titanis by Augustios Paleo List of lorisoids by PresN List of storks by AryKun Brontosaurus by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by The Morrison Man Eukaryote by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Fritzmann2002 Stramenopile by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Fritzmann2002 Titanoboa by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by SilverTiger12 Antarctopelta by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Anna Blackburne by Kusma, reviewed by Etriusus Anomochilus leonardi by AryKun, reviewed by Amitchell125 Nyctibatrachus manalari by AryKun, reviewed by Sammi Brie Mimodactylus by FunkMonk, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Nyctibatrachus major by AryKun, reviewed by Etriusus Anomochilus weberi by AryKun, reviewed by Etriusus Plant by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Cessaune

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Two salt marsh snakes Blackburnian warbler ... that orcas have been teaching each other to attack boats? (August 2) ... that Ameles decolor has one of the most complex mating rituals of any praying mantis? (August 4) ... that salt marsh snakes (examples pictured) drink only rainwater? (August 6) ... that by 1967, staff at the Home Office were told not to feed Peta morsels of food as she had become "inordinately fat"? (August 8) ... that the perigynia of the few-flowered sedge spring outward when brushed against? (August 16) ... that three burnt golf balls are preserved at Kew Gardens as a "rare fungal species"? (August 19) ... that the chemicals responsible for the smell of freshly cut grass are a plant defense mechanism? (August 20) ... that the Blackburnian warbler (example pictured) is named after Anna Blackburne, who provided specimens to Thomas Pennant? (August 22) ... that Tylocephale possibly used their domed skulls to fight one another? (August 24) ... that John Cleese once called Olivia Benson "the weirdest cat I've ever seen in my life"? (August 25) ... that Winston Churchill was often portrayed as a bulldog (pictured), but his personal pet dog during the Second World War was a poodle? (August 25) ... that a report by the philosopher Jonathan Birch and colleagues led to cephalopods and decapods being recognised as sentient under the UK's Animal Welfare (Sentience) Act? (August 27) ... that Mike Wingfield named a fungus after his first grandchild, Rachel? (August 27) ... that depending on who you ask, an anomochilid could be a dwarf or a giant? (August 28)

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Hello :-) Would you be so kind to check the new article Oshtoran Syndrome. I worked hard on it and it would be a pity if it ends in the unchecked desert. And please, no internal link to PANS. Therefore the link to Standford. This topic has, for reasons only the Lord knows, been a battleground in the English Wikipedia of which the new article should not become a part of. Thanks so much in advance -BenjaminFeldman (talk) 11:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230908115600","author":"BenjaminFeldman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BenjaminFeldman-20230908115600-Could_you_check,_please?_2","replies":[]}}-->

those are sourced from the website of the philippine eagle foundation. specifically for the pair which goes into more detail into them. what makes you think its unsourced?? Kurt247 (talk) 00:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230909003000","author":"Kurt247","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kurt247-20230909003000-about_philippine_eagle_diplomacy","replies":["c-Kurt247-20230909023900-Kurt247-20230909003000"]}}-->

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September 2023—Issue 022

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

List of cercopithecoids by PresN List of tapaculos by AryKun Polar bear by Little Jerry Ohmdenosaurus by Jens Lallensack Amargatitanis by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Teloschistaceae by Esculenta, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Holozoa by Snoteleks, reviewed by Esculenta Ashy flycatcher by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Nyctibatrachus radcliffei by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Carcharodontosaurus by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by SilverTiger12 Life by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Apatosaurinae by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Hypericum perforatum by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by Femke

Newly nominated content

Mountain pigeon by AryKun List of hominoids by PresN List of cranes by AryKun List of tarsiiformes by PresN Lycorma meliae by Etriusus Aristonectes by Amirani1746 Animal echolocation by Chiswick Chap Hyalospheniidae by Snoteleks Buellia frigida by Snoteleks

Contest results

The first edition of our new monthly contest had perhaps a little less participation than I hoped for, but it still resulted in a huge amount of content work, mainly focussed on de-stubbing articles on little-known species, although we did also see two GAs for Holozoa and Hypericum perforatum. Overall, over 60 articles were improved, with most going from stubs or redlinks to fully fleshed out articles. The winner this month was Simongraham, who improved 21 articles about spiders, mainly to B and C class, and racked up 70 points, over twice the next highest. Hopefully, we'll continue to see such great work next month, with even more participants and even more articles improved. Also anyone who wants to help coordinate the contest can just drop by at the talk page, I really need help.

September DYKs

Republicopteron douseae fossil Male Phallichthys fish Mimodactylus reconstruction Adult ashy flycatcher ... that with all known Palae­orehniidae fossils (example pictured) being incomplete, the relationships of the family are uncertain? (September 2) ... that butterfly collector Ian Heslop was once required to supervise an execution? (September 3) ... that the Munich Mouser, Neville Chamberlain's pet, and Nelson, Winston Churchill's pet, had a rivalry during World War II? (September 6) ... that Phal­lich­thys (literally 'penis fish') species are so called because the males (example pictured) have "comparatively huge" sex appendages? (September 8) ... that merry widows like soft bottoms? (September 10) ... that Mimodactylus (reconstruction pictured) is the first complete pterosaur from the Afro-Arabian continent? * ... that small Poecilia gillii males have longer sex organs than larger males, to facilitate mating with females that flee from them? (September 12) ... that the dwarf merry widow is not very brave? (September 13) ... that dwarf mollies hit rock bottom when they grow up? (September 14) ... that the Siberian crane is considered more threatened than the whooping crane, despite there being an estimated ten times more of them? (September 15) ... that one way to tell the African dusky flycatcher apart from the ashy flycatcher (example pictured) is that the former is "cuter"? (September 18) ... that the spiky inedible grass Triodia scintillans tastes like salt and vinegar chips? (September 19) ... that the bicolor molly inevitably goes off the deep end in adulthood? (September 27) ... that the Waitangiroto Nature Reserve is the only known nesting area for the eastern great egret in New Zealand? (September 28)

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October 2023—Issue 023

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Mimodactylus by FunkMonk Mountain pigeon by AryKun List of tarsiiformes by PresN List of hominoids by PresN List of cranes by AryKun Outline of lichens by MeegsC Lycorma meliae by Etriusus, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Oak by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Esculenta Animal echolocation by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Primium Elke Mackenzie by Esculenta, reviewed by Moriwen Dwarf pufferfish by Primium, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Hyalospheniidae by Snoteleks, reviewed by An anonymous username, not my real name Paroedura maingoka by Olmagon, reviewed by Jens Lallensack

Newly nominated content

Hypericum sechmenii by Fritzmann2002 Teloschistaceae by Esculenta Nyctibatrachus major by AryKun List of sunbirds by AryKun List of platyrrhines by PresN Handicap principle by Chiswick Chap Slime mold by Chiswick Chap Punctelia by Esculenta Pulchrocladia retipora by Esculenta Anaptychia ciliaris by Esculenta Mocquard's Madagascar ground gecko by Olmagon Zavodovski Island by Jo-Jo Eumerus Chrysothrix chlorina by Esculenta Wood-pasture hypothesis by AndersenAnders Mammalian kidney by D6194c-1cc Lepas testudinata by Etriusus Teratoscincus roborowskii by Olmagon

Contest results

The second edition of our monthly contest was even better than the last month, with 80 articles improved spanning the entire tree of life. The winner this month was Quetzal1964, who contributed to 47 articles, mainly relating to marine fish, and racked up 81 points in the process. In second place was simongraham, who got 60 points from 14 articles on various species of jumping spiders. simongraham is still at the top of our overall standings, with 130 points, and Quetzal1964's close behind on 108. The November edition of the contest is now open: feel free to drop by and participate if you work on any TOL-related articles this month.

October DYKs

Illustration of swordtail mollies Lycorma meliae Illustrations of the front foot (A) and hind foot (B) of Diplobune quercyi ... that the Siberian columbine has been crossed with another species in the genus Aquilegia to determine the gene behind the genus's nectar spurs? (October 2) ... that the swordtail molly (examples pictured) and the Petén molly have been named and renamed so often, one even ending up with the other's name at one point, that the swordtail molly's current scientific name means 'confusion'? (October 8) ... that the early big cat Pachypanthera may have weighed as much as 142 kilograms (313 lb) and had teeth similar to a hyena's? (October 9) ... that ancient Greek philosopher Xenophon thought the alopekis was part dog, part fox? (October 11) ... that the katydid-like fossil Republicopteron douseae possibly could not sing? (October 12) ... that a Brontosaurus stamp led to the United States Postal Service being accused of "fostering scientific illiteracy"? (October 16) ... that the wings of Lycorma meliae (example pictured) undergo multiple color changes throughout their lives? (October 16) ... that the three-toed species of Diplobune (fossils pictured) were mammals of the order of "even-toed ungulates"? (October 17) ... that although fossils of the extinct mammal Asiavorator were first found in 1922, the genus was not named until 73 years later, in 1995? (October 18) ... that in aquariums, the humpbacked limia is known to cannibalise the young? (October 21) ... that Hypericum perforatum was a common component of classical cure-all concoctions called theriacs? (October 21) ... that Aristotle classified living things based on whether they had a "sensitive soul" or, like plants, only a "vegetative soul"? (October 22) ... that in June 2022, a neurosurgeon found a roundworm in someone's brain? (October 23) ... that ancient permafrost can preserve viable microorganisms, some of which contain antibiotic-resistance genes that may be transferred to modern bacteria? (October 27)

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[1] Hi!

I reverted back because it is impossible per our normal definition of the term in science.

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This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi @Elmidae, Thanks for reverting the last addition done to Schneider Electric page related to AECOP information. Would it be possible to replicate that change also un the French version of the page (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneider_Electric) Thanks in advance! Beatriz at Schneider Electric (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231127164200","author":"Beatriz at Schneider Electric","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Beatriz_at_Schneider_Electric-20231127164200-Edit_in_Schneider_Electric_page","replies":["c-Elmidae-20231127182200-Beatriz_at_Schneider_Electric-20231127164200"]}}-->

Hi @Beatriz at Schneider Electric: I hesitate to go reverting things on a WP project where I have no standing and can only just decipher the text (school French only goes so far...). Cross-project reverting has a tendency to attract criticism, for good reason. I suggest placing an edit request on that talk page and pointing out that this type of edit violates WP:UNDUE (that concept exists on all language version - here is the French one: [2]). What I find really descriptive here is our WP:Coatrack essay, but I don't believe that exists on frWP. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231127182200","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20231127182200-Beatriz_at_Schneider_Electric-20231127164200","replies":["c-Beatriz_at_Schneider_Electric-20231128070700-Elmidae-20231127182200"]}}-->

Hi @Elmidae, thanks a lot for your quick answer. I fully understand. I'll ask the French wikipedians to check the content. Thanks a lot for your guidance too. That helps a lot. Have agreat day! Beatriz at Schneider Electric (talk) 07:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231128070700","author":"Beatriz at Schneider Electric","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Beatriz_at_Schneider_Electric-20231128070700-Elmidae-20231127182200","replies":[]}}-->

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November 2023—Issue 024

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Hypericum sechmenii by Fritzmann2002 Nyctibatrachus major by AryKun List of platyrrhines by PresN List of gymnosperm families by Dank Varroa destructor by KoA, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Lepas testudinata by Etriusus, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Island bronze-naped pigeon by AryKun, reviewed by SilverTiger12 Placidium arboreum by Esculenta, reviewed by SilverTiger12 Orange-billed lorikeet by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Spinular night frog by AryKun, reviewed by An anonymous username, not my real name Crested cuckoo-dove by AryKun, reviewed by Femke Aristonectes by Amirani1746, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Mocquard's Madagascar ground gecko by Olmagon, reviewed by Etriusus Femoral gland by Esculenta, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Ameerega munduruku by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Snowy plover by Jens Lallensack, reviewed by SilverTiger12 Crested cuckoo-dove by AryKun, reviewed by Grungaloo Wood-pasture hypothesis by AndersenAnders, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Hypericum bupleuroides by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by Etriusus Teratoscincus roborowskii by Olmagon, reviewed by Esculenta Pulchrocladia retipora by Esculenta, reviewed by Etriusus Anaptychia ciliaris by Esculenta, reviewed by Jens Lallensack

Newly nominated content

Snowy plover by Jens Lallensack List of birds of Bouvet Island by AryKun Laomaki by An anonymous username, not my real name Nyctibatrachus robinmoorei by AryKun Nyctibatrachus sabarimalai by AryKun Nyctibatrachus mewasinghi by AryKun Eucalyptus gomphocephala by Hughesdarren

Contest results

The third edition of our monthly contest saw Quetzal1964 win for the second month in a row, scoring 68 points from 39 articles about a variety of marine fishes. In second place for the month is Olmagon, who scored 45 points from 10 articles on extinct crustaceans and geckoes. In the overall standings, Quetzal1964 leapfrogged over simongraham into first place, with 176 points from 109 articles; simongraham is now in second place with 136 points from 37 articles. The December edition of the contest is now open: feel free to drop by and participate if you work on any TOL-related articles this month.

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November DYKs

A bacterium that thrives in the deep ocean Georges Cuvier's reconstruction of Anoplotherium commune Paroedura maingoka Field of Wyethia amplexicaulis in bloom An adult dwarf pufferfish Adult Balkan terrapin Planocarina marginata, a hyalospheniid amoeba ... that a variety of the Connecticut field pumpkin is known as "the original commercial jack-o'-lantern pumpkin"? (November 1) ... that insects not only destroyed the personal plant collection of John Hunter Thomas, but also bear his name? (November 3) ... that life exists in every part of the biosphere, from the deepest parts of the ocean (bacterium pictured) to altitudes of up to 64 km (40 miles) in the atmosphere? (November 6) ... that Sivapardus was larger than a leopard, smaller than a lion, and had a face like a cheetah? (November 7) ... that Lillian V. Holdeman Moore identified a spike in hydrogen-gas-producing bacteria in Skylab astronauts? (November 8) ... that euglossine bees distribute the seeds of vanilla tlatepusco? (November 11) ... that in 1822, the Paleogene mammal Anop­lo­therium commune (reconstruction pictured) was the first fossil species to be subjected to a brain cast study? (November 12) ... that the island bronze-naped pigeon is a popular food at bars and parties on São Tomé? (November 12) ... that little pink elephants are parasitic? (November 12) ... that the gecko Paroedura maingoka (pictured) imitates venomous scorpions to discourage predators? (November 13) ... that the scenic fields of northern wyethia (pictured) found in the western United States are sometimes a sign that an area has been overgrazed? (November 15) ... that a 1950s album of frog calls developed a cult following? (November 15) ... that at a maximum standard length of roughly 2 cm (0.8 in), dwarf pufferfish are some of the smallest pufferfish in the world? (November 18) ... that the authors of The Neanderthals Rediscovered learned that their book proposal had been accepted on the same day they took their twin sons home from hospital? (November 20) ... that hatchling Balkan terrapins are only 3 to 4 centimetres (1.2 to 1.6 in) in length, while adults (example pictured) can grow as long as 25 cm (9.8 in)? (November 21) ... that organisms could harvest kinetic energy to survive? (November 22) ... that pollution in rivers scatters far-red light, making it harder for plants like Noveloa to germinate? (November 23) ... that many hyalospheniid amoebae (example pictured) construct shells by stealing mineralized particles from the shells of their prey? (November 28) ... that an ancient wildcat species is known only from a part of the jaw of a single animal discovered in Poland? (November 29)

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December 2023—Issue 025

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Snowy plover by Jens Lallensack Teloschistaceae by Esculenta List of birds of Bouvet Island by AryKun List of sunbirds by AryKun Slime mold by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Esculenta Handicap principle by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Etriusus Insect by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Iztwoz Wheat by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by KoA Eucalyptus gomphocephala by Hughesdarren, reviewed by Grungaloo Buellia frigida by Esculenta, reviewed by J Milburn Nyctibatrachus robinmoorei by AryKun, reviewed by Grungaloo Nyctibatrachus mewasinghi by AryKun, reviewed by Grungaloo Nyctibatrachus sabarimalai by AryKun, reviewed by Grungaloo Great cuckoo-dove by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Lake Patzcuaro salamander by Etriusus, reviewed by Grungaloo Anoplotherium by PrimalMustelid, reviewed by 20 upper

Newly nominated content

Alpine ibex by LittleJerry Pseudastacus by Olmagon Pachysentis by Mattximus List of primates by PresN Banded palm civet by Cremastra Perothops by Memer15151 Hypericum hircinum by Fritzmann2002 Boquila by Etriusus and Veridicae Aptostichus barackobamai by Etriusus Buffy-tufted marmoset by André Ribeiro Cardoso Ant mimicry by Chiswick Chap Mosquito by Chiswick Chap Anopheles by Chiswick Chap Rice by Chiswick Chap Pliosaurus andrewsi by Amirani1746 Triassosculda by Abdullah raji Flaco (owl) by Rhododendrites Crassispira incrassata by Etriusus Sei whale by 20 upper

Contest results

And so ends the fourth edition of the monthly rolling contest, as well as the 2023 Tree of Life Contest as a whole. This month saw simongraham win with a very impressive 120 points from 27 articles. Quetzal1964 was second with 74 points from 37 articles. The annual contest was a close race between simongraham and Quetzal1964; simongraham won first place with 256 points from 64 articles, and Quetzal1964 was second with 250 points from 146 articles. Snoteleks was third with 79 points from 33 articles. Congratulations to everyone who won this year and my gratitude to everyone else who helped raise the quality of articles in our little corner of Wikipedia this year. Additionally, a very Happy New Year to everyone in the project and here's looking forward to continuing our good work in 2024!

December DYKs

Snowy plover with chicks Bofedales in the foreground Adult female Varroa mite Dennstaedtia christophelii fossil frond ... that a "bat ensnared by a plant" was discovered in the garden of the Palestine Museum of Natural History? (December 2) ... that female snowy plovers often abandon their families as soon as the chicks hatch? (December 4) ... that Lepas testudinata can form colonies of more than 1000 members at a time? (December 5) ... that the gecko Teratoscincus roborowskii eats caper fruits and disperses the plant's seeds in its feces? (December 5) ... that Henk Zwartepoorte quacked at caimans? (December 5) ... that the green colour of bofedales (examples pictured) stands out in the yellow surrounding landscape? (December 6) ... that Desulfovibrio vulgaris can remove toxic heavy metals from the environment? (December 8) ... that Varroa destructor (example pictured), the Varroa mite, is an external parasitic mite that attacks and feeds on honey bees and is one of the most harmful honey-bee pests in the world? (December 11) ... that young orange-billed lorikeets are actually yellow-billed? (December 16) ... that stinking tutsan smells like goat? (December 20) ... that orange paintbrushes are guarded by rufous hummingbirds? (December 21) ... that the Antarctic lichen Buellia frigida has been to outer space? (December 22) ... that the closest modern fern relatives to Dennstaedtia christophelii (fossil pictured) of the Pacific Northwest are tropical species from South America? (December 24) ... that in Icelandic folklore, the Yule cat eats people who do not receive new clothing for Christmas? (December 25) ... that the Lake Patzcuaro salamander's native habitat is limited to a single lake in Mexico? (December 28) ... that plant species like Hypericum bupleuroides can reproduce by a callus? (December 29)

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Wisconsin86 was just blocked for WP:CITESPAM and that account is part of a whole ring of accounts whose sole purpose is to spam papers by Antonio Arnaiz-Villena into articles. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240118174300","author":"ThaddeusSholto","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThaddeusSholto-20240118174300-Java_sparrow","replies":["c-Elmidae-20240118175000-ThaddeusSholto-20240118174300"]}}-->

Doesn't matter as long as an editor in good standing takes it over and the statement and reference is correct; WP:FRUIT and all that. But as it happens, we were both wrong, because it was an unsuitable reference for a true statement. I have added the correct 2020 study instead. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240118175000","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20240118175000-ThaddeusSholto-20240118174300","replies":[]}}-->

The image i edited in is simply labeled wrong. Brachyplatystoma does not resemble Fish br.jpg, which is obviously a SAmerican redtail catfish; you can verify the sorry state of images for the Piraiba yourself in Commons.

Giving you a heads up for the re-revert. Anthropophoca (talk) 11:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240125110900","author":"Anthropophoca","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anthropophoca-20240125110900-Redtail_catfish","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for your resolute action at ANI. You were correct that changes did not need to be discussed at the Talk page just because of little new-content activity - this species has been one of the most overlooked in terms of research. Nonetheless, some days the article receives over 100 visitors.

I note that you have placed your trout slap for User:Augmented Seventh on my Talk page with a call, and that may have been your intention. Regards, 14.2.205.177 (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240125210900","author":"14.2.205.177","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-14.2.205.177-20240125210900-Cave_wolf","replies":[]}}-->

How many more citations are needed? Weavingowl (talk) 14:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240221140800","author":"Weavingowl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Weavingowl-20240221140800-An_Affair_of_Honor_(short_story)..","replies":["c-Elmidae-20240222075700-Weavingowl-20240221140800"]}}-->

@Weavingowl: The minimum for showing notability and keeping the article is already met - one link to the story itself, and two critical assessments. However, one of those (the blog source) is rather weak, since it is self-published. Further WP:SECONDARY critical material is therefore desireable. I have removed the "short story tricks" reference, as this type of self-published mini-factoid is not considered reliable and does not add to the coverage of the work. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240222075700","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Elmidae-20240222075700-Weavingowl-20240221140800","replies":["c-Weavingowl-20240222142900-Elmidae-20240222075700"]}}-->

It's odd that I can't find anything else about it....maybe someone else will. Makes me wonder if it's just super obscure. Weavingowl (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240222142900","author":"Weavingowl","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Weavingowl-20240222142900-Elmidae-20240222075700","replies":[]}}-->

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January and February 2024—Issue 026

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Newly recognized content

Alpine ibex by LittleJerry Markham's storm petrel by FunkMonk, Jens Lallensack, and Therapyisgood List of primates by PresN List of birds of Alberta by grungaloo Rice by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by RecycledPixels Barley by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Bruxton Chicken by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by DocZach Cereal by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Bruxton Ant mimicry by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by AryKun Anopheles by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by AryKun Mosquito by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by 20 upper Cherry blossom by Reconrabbit, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Sei whale by 20 upper, reviewed by grungaloo Megaherbivore by 20 upper, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Brown bear by 20 upper, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Indian rhinoceros by 20 upper, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Hypericum hircinum by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by grungaloo Hypericum foliosum by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Hypericum grandifolium by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by Esculenta Boquila by Etriusus, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Aptostichus barackobamai by Etriusus, reviewed by Esculenta Crassispira incrassata by Etriusus, reviewed by 20 upper Punctelia by Esculenta, reviewed by Ealdgyth Chrysothrix chlorina by Esculenta, reviewed by Ealdgyth Chrysothrix chlorina by Esculenta, reviewed by Ealdgyth Ramalina peruviana by Esculenta, reviewed by Ealdgyth Menemerus animatus by simongraham, reviewed by Esculenta Afraflacilla braunsi by simongraham, reviewed by grungaloo Nasutoceratops by FunkMonk, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Pseudastacus by Olmagon, reviewed by FunkMonk Angustidontus by Super Dromaeosaurus and Ichthyovenator, reviewed by Amitchell125 Pruemopterus by Super Dromaeosaurus and Ichthyovenator, reviewed by Etriusus Black-billed magpie by grungaloo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Black-capped chickadee by grungaloo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Horned sungem by Jens Lallensack, reviewed by grungaloo Flaco (owl) by Rhododendrites, reviewed by Etriusus Telonemia by Snotoleks, reviewed by Esculenta "Pliosaurus" andrewsi by Amirani1746, reviewed by grungaloo Beaver drop by Lightburst, reviewed by Chiswick Chap

Newly nominated content

Horned sungem by Jens Lallensack Tufted jay by grungaloo Nasutoceratops by FunkMonk Maize by Chiswick Chap Cattle by Chiswick Chap Pig by Chiswick Chap Domestic duck by Chiswick Chap Eusociality by Chiswick Chap Fish by Chiswick Chap Barnacle by Chiswick Chap Ochrophyte by Snotoleks Parvilucifera by Snotoleks Thalattoarchon by Amirani1746 Hydropunctaria amphibia by Esculenta Melanohalea by Esculenta Spot test (lichen) by Esculenta Lecideaceae by Esculenta Hypericum × inodorum by Fritzmann2002 Hypericum sect. Androsaemum by Fritzmann2002 Olga Hartman by Viriditas Mixtotherium by PrimalMustelid Enhydriodon by PrimalMustelid Lentinus brumalis by Зэгс ус

News at a glance

Our first double issue in almost four years, although we will try to return to a monthly schedule henceforth (incidentally, the last double issue saw Markham's storm petrel at GAN, and this one sees it finally pass FAC). A highly competitive first round of the WikiCup sees four Tree of Life editors advance to the second round: MtBotany, Fritzmann2002, Ealdgyth, and AryKun The March 2024 GAN Backlog Drive starts today; everyone is welcome to participate and help reduce the backlog of GANs. The January edition of our monthly rolling contest was won by Quetzal1964 with 100 points from 40 articles, mainly related to various species of marine fish. simongraham was second with 80 points from 14 articles on jumping spiders. The February edition saw Quetzal1964 win for the second time in a row, with 114 points from 43 articles. In second place was Snoteleks, with 21 points from 7 seven articles on various unicellular eukaryotes, including the GA Telonemia.

January DYKs

... that Dacrytherium, literally meaning 'tear beast', was named after its "tear-pit"? (3 January) ... that misidentifications of the crested cuckoo-dove have led to claims that the extinct Choiseul pigeon is still around? (4 January) ... that the wood-pasture hypothesis posits that semi-open wood pastures and not primeval forests are the natural vegetation of temperate Europe? (5 January) ... that until April 2023, when the genus Triassosculda was discovered, the mantis shrimp fossil record contained a gap of more than a hundred million years? (5 January) ... that although Olga Hartman believed that her basic research on marine worms had no practical value, it was applied to experimental studies of oysters? (6 January) ... that Oxford ivy grows towards the light to bloom and then towards the darkness when going to seed? (17 January) ... that S. F. Light (pictured) disliked using his full name? (20 January) ... that the fossil turtle Acherontemys was named for a "river of the fabled lower world"? (26 January) ... that a species of spider is named after Barack Obama? (27 January) ... that Boquila trifoliolata is the only known plant capable of simultaneously mimicking multiple species? (27 January) ... that Harpegnathos alperti worker ants have black heads and chocolate-colored mandibles? (28 January) ... that all known populations of Epipterygium opararense (example pictured) live within a 5-metre (16 ft) radius in New Zealand? (28 January) ... that female swamp guppies (pictured) show no preference for orange or red coloration during courtship? (29 January) S. F. Light examining termites Epipterygium opararense Gold-morph swamp guppies

February DYKs

... that black-billed magpies are known to eat ticks off deer and other large mammals (example pictured)? (1 February) ... that scientist Adelaida K. Semesi was known as "mama mangroves" due to her specialist knowledge of their ecology? (2 February) ... that for the southern molly, sexual selection favors smaller males because they copulate by sneaking up to females? (2 February) ... that eyelash seaweed may have been made extinct by a single 2016 earthquake? (4 February) ... that conservation in Indonesia had little local support after independence because it was associated with the Dutch colonial period? (5 February) ... that the artiodactyl Ephelcomenus is thought to have been capable of burrowing? (6 February) ... that male mangrove mollies mate sneakily? (14 February) ... that barley was once used as a form of money? (14 February) ... it has been suggested that Crassispira incrassata may be a southern variation of Crassispira bottae and not its own species? (15 February) ... that the shining St John's wort owes its bright colors partly to carotenoid compounds? (18 February) ... that having lived in Central Park for more than a year after becoming homeless, Flaco (pictured) has been accused of being a peeping tom? (19 February) ... that the horned sungem (example pictured) is sometimes a nectar robber? (24 February) ... that the sea slug Bosellia mimetica benefits from photosynthesis? (25 February) ... that almost all members of a flock of tufted jays work together to build a nest? (28 February) ... that the hippocampus of the black-capped chickadee grows in the fall and shrinks in the spring? (29 February) ... that an Indian rhinoceros, sent as a gift to Pope Leo X in 1515, was immortalised as Dürer's Rhinoceros after dying in a shipwreck? (29 February) Black-billed magpie eating ticks off the back of a cow Flaco peeping through a window Horned sungem robbing a flower

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Hello. I wanted to let you know that I reversed your draftification of ...a nastal chaos. The reason I did this is because articles older than 90 days should not be draftified without prior consensus at AfD, per WP:DRAFTIFY (point 2d). Hey man im josh (talk) 19:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240306192900","author":"Hey man im josh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240306192900-Reverted_draftification","replies":[]}}-->

Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

• Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
• Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
• Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
• Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
• Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
• Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
• Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
• Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
• Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
• Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
• Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
• Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
• Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
• Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
• Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
• Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
• Proposal 28, initiated by HouseBlaster, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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Hello Elmidae,

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

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2023 Awards

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Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

• Proposals 2 and 9b (phase II discussion): Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA and Require links for claims of specific policy violations
• Proposal 3b (in trial): Make the first two days discussion-only
• Proposal 13 (in trial): Admin elections
• Proposal 14 (implemented): Suffrage requirements
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• Proposal 24 (phase II discussion): Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process
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March and April 2024—Issue 027

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Horned sungem by Jens Lallensack Tufted jay by grungaloo Pseudastacus by Olmagon List of erinaceids by PresN Primates by PresN Hypericum sect. Androsaemum by Fritzmann2002 Thalattoarchon by Amirani1746, reviewed by Esculenta Lentinus brumalis by Зэгс ус, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Hypericum sect. Androsaemum by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by Maxim Masiutin Hypericum × inodorum by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by AryKun Barnacle by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Lightburst Maize by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by AryKun Pig by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Wolverine XI Orange (fruit) by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by 750h+ Fish by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Reconrabbit Organism by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Esculenta Hydropunctaria amphibia by Esculenta, reviewed by AryKun Melanohalea by Esculenta, reviewed by AryKun Lecideaceae by Esculenta, reviewed by Wolverine XI Xylopsora canopeorum by Esculenta, reviewed by AryKun Spot test (lichen) by Esculenta, reviewed by AryKun Gustaf Einar Du Rietz by Esculenta, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Allocalicium by Esculenta, reviewed by Simongraham Multiclavula mucida by Esculenta, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Aphaena submaculata by Etriusus, reviewed by Wolverine XI White-tailed jay by Grungaloo, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Fork-tailed drongo by The Blue Rider, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Northern green anaconda by Chaotic Enby, reviewed by Geardona Heptamegacanthus by Mattximus, reviewed by Esculenta Mixtotherium by PrimalMustelid, reviewed by FunkMonk Diplobune by PrimalMustelid, reviewed by Wolverine XI Ochrophyte by Snoteleks, reviewed by Ealdgyth Parvilucifera by Snoteleks, reviewed by Fritzmann2002 Urceolus by Snoteleks, reviewed by Fritzmann2002 Plexippoides regius by Simongraham, reviewed by Grungaloo Olga Hartman by Viriditas, reviewed by Lightburst Giant panda by Wolverine XI, reviewed by Thebiguglyalien Enchylium conglomeratum by Xkalponik, reviewed by Wolverine XI

Newly nominated content

Great cuckoo-dove by AryKun Heptamegacanthus by Mattximus List of talpids by PresN List of birds of New Brunswick by B3251 List of forest-inventory conifers in Canada by Dank Dissoderma odoratum by NotAGenious Xiphodon by PrimalMustelid Banana by Chiswick Chap Phintella parva by Simongraham Evarcha maculata by Simongraham Asian elephant by Wolverine XI Megafauna by Wolverine XI Fishing cat by Wolverine XI Thistle tortoise beetle by Justinxuje Enchylium limosum by Xkalponik Enchylium polycarpon by Xkalponik Skeleton panda sea squirt by Chaotic Enby Hypericum aciferum by Fritzmann2002 Hypericum russeggeri by Fritzmann2002 Hypericum minutum by Fritzmann2002 Chrompodellid by Snoteleks Aquilegia sibirica by Pbritti Carabus japonicus by NHanselman Charles De Geer by Yakikaki Cheetah reintroduction in India by Magentic Manifestations

News at a glance

The newsletter will not be returning to a monthly format (mainly because the author is busy failing every exam imaginable) and is on a bimonthly schedule for the foreseeable future. The second round of the WikiCup was very competitive, requiring the highest points total to advance since 2014. Two TOL editors, AryKun and Fritzmann2002, advanced to the third round. The March edition of our monthly rolling contest was won by simongraham, who amassed 118 points from 21 articles on various species of jumping spider; in second place was Quetzal1964 with 109 points from 53 articles on marine ray-finned fish. Quetzal1964 and simongraham were also the top two in the April edition, although Quetzal was ahead this time, with 68 points to simongraham's 48. In the annual leaderboard, Quetzal and simongraham are in first and second place respectively, with 291 and 246 points; in third place is Snotoleks, with 76 points.

March DYKs

... that an Indian rhinoceros, sent as a gift to Pope Leo X in 1515, was immortalised as Dürer's Rhinoceros after dying in a shipwreck? (1 March) ... that due to a misunderstanding, Catodontherium was moved from its original genus name? (3 March) ... that a malaria-control program in rural Brazil attracted droves of annoying, colorful bees that collect pesticide (example pictured) into homes? (4 March) ... that popular garden plants like malfurada often escape from cultivation and become invasive? (5 March) ... that the cherry blossom was used symbolically in Japanese World War II propaganda, with falling petals representing "young soldiers' sacrifice for the emperor"? (8 March) ... that off-roading at Muriwai Beach in New Zealand may be damaging the habitat of the newly described korowai gecko (example pictured)? (9 March) ... that Will Smith took part in the expedition that discovered the northern green anaconda? (13 March) ... that the Kīlauea lava cricket disappears from a lava field as soon as any plants start to grow there? (13 March) ... that Julian Assange's lawyer argued that the rules set by the Ecuadorian embassy requiring Assange to take care of his pet cat Michi were "denigrating"? (13 March) ... that mule deer sometimes prefer the flavor of one Rocky Mountain juniper tree, like "ice cream", over another? (21 March) ... that the skeleton panda sea squirt was known on the Internet for its skeleton-like appearance years before its formal description? (26 March) ... that only one fruit but several thousand seeds were known when Allenbya collinsonae was named? (26 March) ... that while named for alliums, the fossil Paleoallium (pictured) was not necessarily directly related to any allium species? (27 March) ... that the extinct genus Mixtotherium, meaning 'mixed beast', has traits of both extinct primates and hyraxes? (28 March) ... that the fossil fern Dickwhitea was described from a single block of chert? (28 March) ... that Scytalopus krabbei is named after Niels Krabbe, who discovered seven other species in its genus? (29 March) ... that Institutiones rei herbariae, published in 1700, sought to give a unique name to every plant based on their "essence"? (29 March) ... that in some rare cases, large Siberian tigers prey on adult brown bears? (30 March) ... that only six years after its 2016 discovery, the Meratus blue flycatcher (pictured) was found being sold in Indonesian songbird markets? (30 March) ... that the spirit liverwort is called such because of its proximity to the Māori afterlife? (31 March) ... that cultures of the fungus Lentinus brumalis have been flown on three different satellites? (31 March) ... that the English herbalist Nicholas Culpeper claimed that eating alkanet leaves would make a person's spit deadly to serpents? (31 March) Eufriesea purpurata Korowai gecko Paleoallium billgenseli fossil Male Meratus blue flycatcher

April DYKs

... that despite its name meaning 'unscented', Hypericum × inodorum can smell strongly of goat? (1 April) ... that color-changing cats (artist's impression pictured) could help us communicate with the future? (2 April) ... that Pep the dog was falsely accused of murdering a cat and sent to Eastern State Penitentiary? (2 April) ... that an extinct French scarab beetle was discovered in a Prague factory? (3 April) ... that the white-tailed jay (example pictured) found in Ecuador and Peru was once thought to have been brought to Mexico by pre-Columbian trade? (5 April) ... that saving the Guadalupe cypress included the help of 40 Judas goats? (5 April) ... that the fork-tailed drongo gives genuine alarm calls but will sometimes lie to steal food from other animals? (5 April) ... that Bangiales, an order of red algae, contains both the oldest-known sexually reproducing organism and the seaweed used to make sushi wrappers? (7 April) ... that beavers, mules, and dogs have been parachuted from airplanes? (8 April) ... that Aphaena submaculata (pictured) uses specialized mouthparts to suck the sap of trees? (8 April) ... that female Eriopis connexa beetles prevent sibling cannibalism by laying unfertilized eggs? (9 April) ... that Androsaemum androsaemum is botanically unacceptable, but Aniculus aniculus is perfectly valid? (9 April) ... that there is one male for every 31 females in an E. interjectus colony, and each female can start its own colony? (10 April) ... that the first extant deer discovered in the 21st century is only 38 centimetres (15 in) tall? (10 April) ... that Buellia aethalea, a species of fungus, is also known as the "darkened button lichen" due to the small black spots on its crusty grey surface? (14 April) ... that despite commonly being caught with a hook and line, the holotype of the Rapa Nui lizardfish was instead collected with a spear? (14 April) ... that ochrophyte algae have twice as many membranes around their chloroplasts as plants? (16 April) ... that while the lichen species Enchylium conglomeratum is considered secure globally, it has been designated as extinct in the UK and regionally extinct in Switzerland? (18 April) ... that Cladonota's extravagant dorsal structures have been called both "grotesque" and "particularly charismatic"? (19 April) ... that the damselfly-relative Okanagrion is suggested to have eight species due to both alpha and beta diversity drivers? (21 April) ... that trees of the extinct genus Calamophyton (example pictured) formed the earliest known forest? (22 April) ... that the color of a black-headed tailorbird's throat was thought to depend on sex, but later turned out to depend on age? (23 April) ... that Biodiversity Impact Credits seek to stop species extinction? (30 April) Artist's impression of a ray cat White-tailed jay Aphaena submaculata Calamophyton tree

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Pradeepsethi.in (talk) 21:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240521214300","author":"Pradeepsethi.in","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pradeepsethi.in-20240521214300-Nomination_of_Manav_Bhinder_for_deletion","replies":[]}}-->

What is the reason for merging Yaduvanshi Ahirs into Ahir article? 2409:4085:8583:6F2E:0:0:2A75:D0B0 (talk) 13:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240606132400","author":"2409:4085:8583:6F2E:0:0:2A75:D0B0","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2409:4085:8583:6F2E:0:0:2A75:D0B0-20240606132400-Yaduvanshi_Ahirs","replies":["c-Elmidae-20240606144600-2409:4085:8583:6F2E:0:0:2A75:D0B0-20240606132400"]}}-->

It's not me you have to discuss this with, but the folks editing at Talk:Yaduvanshi Ahirs. What I am seeing is the undiscussed, repeated re-instatement of a redirect that has been repeatedly confirmed over a decade now. Under such circumstances, you can not just try to force an old version back in over everyone else's take. Get consensus on the talk page please. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240606144600","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20240606144600-2409:4085:8583:6F2E:0:0:2A75:D0B0-20240606132400","replies":[]}}-->

You commented on a post involving me on ANI[3]. In absence of any wikiproject that I know of that deals with the translocation of species in prehistoric times, I informally contacted an individual editor with a significant track record of that sort of article. It seems unfair to post their answer on a high traffic site like ANI, but their answer is at [4]. I don't know what opinion you have of the answer I got (presumably written on a mobile phone!), but it makes me think I perhaps undersold the level of problem that I and a small number of other editors have with the original complainant. Incidentally, I was thanked[5] for the edit that seems to have triggered the ANI. You can see that this is an editor who has a small contribution to Austronesian peoples. I am beginning to believe that others have been driven away.

Any further thoughts you have would be welcome.

(I should say that I will probably be unable to answer anything on Wikipedia on Monday or most of Tuesday as I will be travelling.) ThoughtIdRetired _TIR 19:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240623193800","author":"ThoughtIdRetired","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThoughtIdRetired-20240623193800-ANI_suggestion","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for helping me undo my edits to this article. Butterfingers indeed, although I'm still unsure how I managed it. - Nidator ^{T / C} 06:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240816065300","author":"Nidator","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nidator-20240816065300-Timeline_of_Mount_Everest_expeditions","replies":[]}}-->

I wanted to revisit the recent edit regarding the cancellation of the “Of Love” exhibition that was removed from the “Censorship in Germany” page.

The reason I believe this event is relevant to the topic of censorship is based on the broader definition provided at the beginning of the page, which mentions censorship is mainly exerted in the form of restriction of access to certain media (examples include motion pictures and video games) to older adolescents or adults [1]. The decision by the Lichtenberg district office to cancel the exhibition due to its content—specifically, the reference to a “genocide in Gaza” without acknowledging the October 7, 2023, attacks—seems to align with this definition. It’s a clear instance where public access to certain political expressions in a public venue was restricted.

While I understand that the district office has the right to decide what is displayed in its galleries, this decision directly limited the public’s access to the exhibition due to its political content, which, in a broader sense, could be considered a form of censorship.

Given that the page includes examples of censorship related to media access and content restrictions, I believe this incident is relevant and could contribute to the discussion of how censorship is applied in contemporary Germany, especially in publicly funded spaces.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this and whether we might find a way to include this event in the broader context of censorship. Camioncu (talk) 12:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823123600","author":"Camioncu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Camioncu-20240823123600-Reconsideration_of_\u201cOf_Love\u201d_Exhibition_Cancellation_as_a_Form_of_Censorship","replies":["c-Elmidae-20240823131300-Camioncu-20240823123600"]}}-->

Moved to article talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823131300","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20240823131300-Camioncu-20240823123600","replies":["c-Camioncu-20240823131900-Elmidae-20240823131300"]}}-->

I don't see it, are you writing it or should I write it? Camioncu (talk) 13:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823131900","author":"Camioncu","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Camioncu-20240823131900-Elmidae-20240823131300","replies":["c-Elmidae-20240823144200-Camioncu-20240823131900"]}}-->

@Camioncu: I moved it to the article's talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823144200","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Elmidae-20240823144200-Camioncu-20240823131900","replies":[]}}-->

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I saw you removed part of the text quoting Rider Haggard on the topic of race. It's not "original research" nor my own opinion: it is the author himself talking on the topic of hierarchies among races or cultures. I only cited one paragraph but he makes the same point several times in the same book. "No original research" is to be used for "facts, allegations, and ideas for which no reliable, published source exists". The book written by the very author the article is about should be considered, without doubt, a valid source. ( JohnMizuki (talk) 12:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC) )[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240612124700","author":"JohnMizuki","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohnMizuki-20240612124700-H._Rider_Haggard","replies":[]}}-->

I saw your pejorative comment about my recent removal of the {sic} tag from footnote 43. "R. D. Mullen- The Books of H. Rider Haggard: A Chronological Survey". www.depauw.edu in the article H. Rider Haggard. Yes, I do understand what {sic} refers to. As evident from the article's history, I actually added that specific {sic} tag on Sept. 4 with a descriptive edit summary indicating why I did so, in keeping with its typical usage. But after doing so, I also went a step further and contacted Istvan Csicsery-Ronay, Jr., Emeritus Professor of English and World Literature at DePauw University and Co-Editor of Science Fiction Studies who published the cited material. I explained to him the existence of the typo in hopes that he would consider correcting it. To my pleasant surprise, he responded by the next day that he had, indeed, corrected the typo. After verifying such was the case, I then removed the {sic} tag that I had previously added, and corrected the spelling of "survey" in the footnote since the typo no longer exists in the referenced source. ShoneBrooks (talk) 23:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906235100","author":"Shonebrooks","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shonebrooks-20240906235100-H._Rider_Haggard","replies":["c-Elmidae-20240907070500-Shonebrooks-20240906235100"]}}-->

@Shonebrooks: fair enough. Having previously viewed that source when the typo was present, I do not blame myself for assuming that that was still the case, but I appreciate you taking the trouble to keep WP representation and source status in sync. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907070500","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20240907070500-Shonebrooks-20240906235100","replies":[]}}-->

It is policy that any articles that have been in mainspace for more than 90 days are not moved to draft, please see WP:DRAFTNO, and I counted 123 days. While I agree that the article needs work, draftify is not appropriate so I reverted it. Ldm1954 (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917151800","author":"Ldm1954","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ldm1954-20240917151800-Reverting_draftify_of_Polymetallic_ore","replies":["c-Elmidae-20240917165500-Ldm1954-20240917151800"]}}-->

@Ldm1954: so your solution is to return a completely unsourced article to mainspace? I question your priorities. I have now redirected the article to Ore in absence of any sources. Be aware that restoring the material makes you responsible for sourcing it, and any other editor is perfectly within their rights to remove the unsourced material. Whether a redirect is a better state for the topic to be in than a draft is anyone's guess; I doubt it. But hey, there you go. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917165500","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20240917165500-Ldm1954-20240917151800","replies":["c-Ldm1954-20240917172700-Elmidae-20240917165500"]}}-->

And I will probably revert that as well since it is clearly disputed by multiple edits by multiple people, and is not the same. If you believe an exception of the standard draftification policy was correct then please do an RfC. You could have done an AfC, although when I did a WP:BEFORE it showed several sources -- hence the tagging.

Please revert your edit and follow the standard approach. Thanks in advance. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917172700","author":"Ldm1954","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ldm1954-20240917172700-Elmidae-20240917165500","replies":["c-Elmidae-20240917174400-Ldm1954-20240917172700","c-Ldm1954-20240917191900-Ldm1954-20240917172700"]}}-->

Nope, I will not revert. If you do, I shall a) reinstate the redirect, and b) formally warn you for placing unsourced material in mainspace. Again, WP:Verifiability comes first. It is a much more fundamental policy than any subsidiary policies about draftification time-outs. We are an encyclopedia publishing sourced articles, not a DYI project that prioritizes having something in mainspace over having accountably sourced material.

I don't know what you mean by "do an AfC" - I assume you mean AfD? That is also mistaken, because I do not advocate that we should not have an article on the topic, merely that what is there MUST be sourced. I suggest you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Alternatives_to_deletion. Of the available options, the ones that are suitable for dealing with complete absence of sources are draftification, merging, or redirection. Letting it sit with hopeful tagging is not appropriate. You can do that when the source situation is weak, not when sources are absent. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917174400","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Elmidae-20240917174400-Ldm1954-20240917172700","replies":[]}}-->

AfD (not AfC) Ldm1954 (talk) 19:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917191900","author":"Ldm1954","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ldm1954-20240917191900-Ldm1954-20240917172700","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, thanks for the additions you made to the article, however, your edit left this sentence: "Due to the deficiency in macronutrients and caloric intake, specifically protein and adult survivors that impact development." I would correct it, but do not really know what you were trying to say, and without researching this topic, I do not feel qualified to correct it. Regards,  • Bobsd •  (talk) 16:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926160000","author":"Bobsd","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bobsd-20240926160000-Correction_to_marasmus","replies":["c-Elmidae-20240927154600-Bobsd-20240926160000"],"displayName":"\u2022 Bobsd \u2022"}}-->

Thank you - fixed (as far as I was able to intepret it). Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927154600","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20240927154600-Bobsd-20240926160000","replies":[]}}-->

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Your edits and comments make no sense.

• "Grammar - what you mean is syntax." The two terms are not mutually exclusive. What do you think the word "grammar" means?
• "Please stop making a fool of yourself, and stop edit-warring." Why are you saying this, when you are the only one guilty of each of those things?
• Look at what you are changing the sentence to say. The version you keep instating is claiming that, the majority of the time, people consider the incorrectness of "octopi" to be a matter of gramamr. This is a very contentious claim. If you're going to make such a claim, you need to source it.
• You haven't answered me: How does adding that word improve the article? If you can't give an answer to this, don't waste everyone's time by keeping on adding it. Problem solved.

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I have limited patience for extended arguments with people who are not only keeping a stranglehold on a misconception, but in the process are wildly flailing about to score points no matter what. Do go and read grammar; it should enlighten you that this concept covers things like declension and pluralization. The form of any individual word follows grammatical rules. A faulty plural is a grammatical issue. Thus the clarification is suitable and correct. It is also useful in clarifying that this not a question of, e.g., misapplication of a term in use in another context, but purely of not following the grammatical rules of the language underlying the term. So, I deem you wrong on both factual counts, and object to the word's removal. If you want to argue the point further, take it to the article's talk page, as I will not entertain further ignorant posturing on mine. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017115000","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20241017115000-Smjg-20241016221100","replies":[]}}-->

Like you, when I looked at Carum leucocoleon and saw a conservation status supported by a reference to PoWO, I assumed it was an error. But some entries in PoWO, including this one, now give a status from the "Angiosperm Extinction Risk Predictions v1" under the "General information" tab. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105144500","author":"Peter coxhead","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peter_coxhead-20241105144500-Conservation_status_and_PoWO","replies":["c-Elmidae-20241105154700-Peter_coxhead-20241105144500"]}}-->

Good catch - thanks for checking! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105154700","author":"Elmidae","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Elmidae-20241105154700-Peter_coxhead-20241105144500","replies":[]}}-->

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