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Fixing citation errors

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Regardless of what other editors say fixing citation errors is clearly not a violation of CITEVAR per the fourth point of 'Generally considered helpful', and the per the last point of the same section if they don't like that LDRs are used to fix the error then they can change it themselves. I just wanted you to know you're 100% not in the wrong here. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 13:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241229132500","author":"ActivelyDisinterested","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ActivelyDisinterested-20241229132500-Fixing_citation_errors","replies":[]}}-->

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Thank you

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Thanks for helping me clean up my mess. I hadn't realized that nesting the Sfn templates inside the references caused a problem. Thank you.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 21:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250104211400","author":"3family6","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-3family6-20250104211400-Thank_you","replies":[]}}-->

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Question

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Are joke edits on people’s userpages like this allowed as I don’t want to be considered “vandalizing”. I just want to make sure I’m not breaking any rules.
Cheers,
Reader of Information (talk) 00:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250105001800","author":"Reader of Information","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Reader_of_Information-20250105001800-Question","replies":["c-DuncanHill-20250105002300-Reader_of_Information-20250105001800"]}}-->

Obvious vandalism and you know damn well it is. DuncanHill (talk) 00:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250105002300","author":"DuncanHill","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DuncanHill-20250105002300-Reader_of_Information-20250105001800","replies":["c-Reader_of_Information-20250105002400-DuncanHill-20250105002300"]}}-->

Okay. Whoops. Thanks for clarifying. Reader of Information (talk) 00:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250105002400","author":"Reader of Information","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Reader_of_Information-20250105002400-DuncanHill-20250105002300","replies":["c-Reader_of_Information-20250105002500-Reader_of_Information-20250105002400"]}}-->

I apologize for the inconvenience. Reader of Information (talk) 00:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250105002500","author":"Reader of Information","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Reader_of_Information-20250105002500-Reader_of_Information-20250105002400","replies":[]}}-->

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Robert Lansing

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Hello, when I make that edit on Robert Lansing, I do not see an harvard error as you suggested. Could you confirm where you see that error? --Engineerchange (talk) 16:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106161900","author":"Engineerchange","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Engineerchange-20250106161900-Robert_Lansing","replies":["c-DuncanHill-20250106163000-Engineerchange-20250106161900"]}}-->

@Engineerchange: Hi, look at the article history and you will see your edit tagges "harv-error". In addition, the link in the article does not work when clicked. I also have Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors watchlisted, and your edit added the article to the category. In addition I use User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js and that also marks the sfn as faulty. Another point to consider is WP:CITEVAR - the article does not use sfn refs so you shouldn't really be adding them even if they do work. If you really insist on using sfn then you would need to edit the citation template containing the Glaser work to use last = Glaser instead of name = David Glaser, and then move it from "Further reading" to a new section called "Sources". DuncanHill (talk) 16:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106163000","author":"DuncanHill","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DuncanHill-20250106163000-Engineerchange-20250106161900","replies":["c-Engineerchange-20250106164500-DuncanHill-20250106163000"]}}-->

@DuncanHill: Thanks for the info, I rarely touch sfn, so this was a refresher for me. I truly don't insist on it, was just curious. Thanks again! --Engineerchange (talk) 16:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106164500","author":"Engineerchange","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Engineerchange-20250106164500-DuncanHill-20250106163000","replies":["c-DuncanHill-20250106165600-Engineerchange-20250106164500"]}}-->

@Engineerchange: No problem. Sfn is a confusing and error-prone method! DuncanHill (talk) 16:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106165600","author":"DuncanHill","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DuncanHill-20250106165600-Engineerchange-20250106164500","replies":[]}}-->

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Question

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The source was 2024 when it was added [1]. Is this going to cause a mess that needs to be fixed every year because it's an online source or was that just because the timing was New Year's Eve/Day? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250107190300","author":"Clovermoss","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Clovermoss-20250107190300-Question_2","replies":["c-DuncanHill-20250107193200-Clovermoss-20250107190300"],"displayName":"Clovermoss\ud83c\udf40"}}-->

@Clovermoss: A lot of online sources contradict themselves about the date of publication. Citation bot gets its dates from metadata (I think), and it often breaks sfn/harv references by "correcting" dates, which is what happened here. If we look at the source itself here it says "Published online by Cambridge University Press: 18 December 2024" which any normal human being would take to mean it was published in 2024. However, scroll down and it also says "Print publication: 31 January 2025", and if you click on "Cite" it says 2025 whichever format you choose. So I don't think it will change again for this source, but you'll certainly see Citation bot going around breaking harv/sfn cites, and you'll see sources that contradict themselves about their publication dates. DuncanHill (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250107193200","author":"DuncanHill","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DuncanHill-20250107193200-Clovermoss-20250107190300","replies":[]}}-->

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Rejection of Message

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@DuncanHill, thank you for messaging me, TheChosenContributor. Unfortunately, I rejected your message as it used a template. Feel free to resend it, but without the template.

- Signed, @TheChosenContributor TheChosenContributor (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250113165000","author":"TheChosenContributor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheChosenContributor-20250113165000-Rejection_of_Message","replies":["c-DuncanHill-20250113190100-TheChosenContributor-20250113165000"]}}-->

@TheChosenContributor: I gave you a formal warning for your vandalism. If I see you committing any more vandalism I will give you a further warning or warnings as appropriate. You cannot "reject" warnings for your vandalism. DuncanHill (talk) 19:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250113190100","author":"DuncanHill","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DuncanHill-20250113190100-TheChosenContributor-20250113165000","replies":[]}}-->