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Hi Dianna,

I think that page "Alexander Tetelbaum" was deleted by mistake. This page exists for more than 20 years and has true info and supporting links.

I made minor changes around 4/24, when I added a newly published book "Executive Director". Until 10/29 it was no issues with this addition.

I think I accidentally triggered some issues when on 10/29, I tried to add a new page " 'Executive Director' Book". On this page, I had 2 references: 1--to "Alexander Tetelbaum" page and 2--to the book "Executive Director" (at Amazon).

I would highly appreciate it if you restored the deleted page. Sorry if I cause any trouble.

Best regards, Natalie Heroux. 2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343 (talk) 15:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030153200","author":"2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200-Alexander_Tetelbaum","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241030185800-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200"]}}-->

Hello, I checked carefully and found that all the content was copied from their biography at Amazon, right back to the creation of the article in 2007. If you want to try again please consider starting the article in draftspace, as there were notability issues as well (though I did not delete it for that reason). See Wikipedia:Drafts for details on how to create a draft. -- Diannaa (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030185800","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241030185800-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200","replies":["c-Nheroux-20241111184200-Diannaa-20241030185800"]}}-->

In 2007, Dr. Alexander Tetelbaum did not publish anything on Amazon and the page had no links to Amazon.

There is no Amazon infrigenmrnt rights on the page. The book ("executive director was published and the linked added about 6 months ago).

The page has no images and text from Amazon. The content could not be copied from Amazon--it was created meny years before any content on Amazon. Almost 20 years it was no issues with notability!

Please check and restore the page. Nheroux (talk) 18:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111184200","author":"Nheroux","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nheroux-20241111184200-Diannaa-20241030185800","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241111205300-Nheroux-20241111184200"]}}-->

Sorry, but since the content is a match for material present at Amazon, I have to err on the side of caution and remove it from Wikipedia as a likely violation of our copyright policy. Since you've checked with me and I have twice refused to restore the page (as well as had another admin refuse to restore it when you asked on your talk page), your next option is to post at WP:Deletion review.--Diannaa (talk) 20:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111205300","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241111205300-Nheroux-20241111184200","replies":["c-Nheroux-20241113185700-Diannaa-20241111205300"]}}-->

Hi Dianna,

I clicked WP:Deltion review, but the page is very complecated--I had no clue where I could provide my complaint. I would appreciate if you pass my letter to the review:

I ask you to consider restoring the page "Alexander Tetelbaum" as being deleted without fair justification by Diannaa.

Initially, the reason for deletion was that the page had infringed Amazon copyrights. Namely, had an image and text about the book "Executive Director". The page never had this staff--only a reference to the book.

Later, Diannaa changed the reason and stated the similarities between the page and Amazon's Author BIO. Yes, the two BIO's are similar and it must be expected--if they had been different it would mean that one of them or both are incorrect. Also, this BIO is not the property of Amazon and got into Amazon about 15 years later than was published in Wikipedia.

Also, Dianna questioned notability. Alexander Tetelbaum was the founding President of the first Jewish University in Ukraine, the author of 20 books, and dozens more achievements.

It took 5 seconds to delete the page and now Dianna suggested resubmitting the page--and this is 40-50 hours of work. There is also a difference in that the original page was created in 2007 vs. a possible new one.

This does not look right when one person can make such decisions and constantly change the reason for deletion. In case of resubmission, it can be also rejected taking into account that we are not happy with how Dianna handled this issue and we are afraid of retaliation.

I honestly do not see any serious arguments to remove the page with 17 history, fully true, and all facts are supported by multiple references. I do not want to speculate, but the page was deleted soon after Dr. Tetelbaum published his book "Executive Director" which had some criticism of Wikipedia. Also, he recently published a joke on X and Truth websites where Wikipedia was mentioned among other organizations.

To conclude, I ask you to restore the page and if you see any issues, we will fix them. Thanks for your consideration.

Respectfully, Natalie Heroux (nheroux) Nheroux (talk) 18:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241113185700","author":"Nheroux","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Nheroux-20241113185700-Diannaa-20241111205300","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241113194500-Nheroux-20241113185700"]}}-->

I have posted it as requested. Diannaa (talk) 19:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241113194500","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241113194500-Nheroux-20241113185700","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241114124000-Diannaa-20241113194500"]}}-->

You can read the results here: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 November 13. Diannaa (talk) 12:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114124000","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241114124000-Diannaa-20241113194500","replies":[]}}-->

I see you marked it as fair use. I've seen bland logos like this often marked as PD of below threshold of originality. Care to comment on this? File:Ctglogo.jpg Graywalls (talk) 13:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031135000","author":"Graywalls","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Graywalls-20241031135000-fair_use,_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241031202100-Graywalls-20241031135000"]}}-->

Which logo are you talking about? A link would be great. -- Diannaa (talk) 20:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031202100","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241031202100-Graywalls-20241031135000","replies":["c-Graywalls-20241031232700-Diannaa-20241031202100"]}}-->

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ctglogo.jpg Seems like just lettering and a partial circle around it wouldn't pass "threshold of originality", so shouldn't this be PD? Graywalls (talk) 23:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031232700","author":"Graywalls","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Graywalls-20241031232700-Diannaa-20241031202100","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241031234000-Graywalls-20241031232700"]}}-->

Yeah, it looks okay. The original 2007 upload will have to remain hidden though, as it is a different, more elaborate logo. -- Diannaa (talk) 23:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031234000","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241031234000-Graywalls-20241031232700","replies":[]}}-->

Hello everybody. We currently have about 105 items in the queue at CopyPatrol. I need some helpers please. Pinging some recent participants: The4lines, GreenLipstickLesbian, Compassionate727, DanCherek, Ymblanter, L3X1, and Asilvering. Any interested talk page watchers could do a few cases as well! Please stop by and help, even if you only have time to clear a few cases. Thank you very much! — Diannaa (talk) 22:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926220700","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diannaa-20240926220700-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)","replies":[]}}-->

Pings may not have worked. Re-sending:The4lines, GreenLipstickLesbian, Compassionate727, DanCherek, Ymblanter, L3X1, and Asilvering-- -- Diannaa (talk) 18:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241101183300","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241101183300-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks to those who helped clear the backlog. It allowed me time to do wacky things like taking a 7-hour break from Wikipedia lol. Right now there's a free showing of Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 11/9 on You Tube-- -- Diannaa (talk) 03:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241102034100","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241102034100-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings. I see you tagged the article for long quotations. Guilty as charged. I just want to point out that such a controversial subject may require long quotations. For example, when I read the titles of the articles about Madeleine Albright's book, I though she had plainly said Trump is no fascist, but the reviewers disagreed with her. It took reading all the articles to realize that is not exactly the case, and that some of the events she said would make her to declare Trump a fascist have come to pass - but not exactly as she expected (Covid, Ukraine, inflation?). Could I convey the subtlety of a diplomat's words better than Ms. Albright herself? In the other cases, are bare titles enough to make the content understandable and their value appreciable? Specially when the main argument of the editors who want to delete the article is that the sources are mere attacks or opinions? Maykiwi (talk) 23:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241102230900","author":"Maykiwi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maykiwi-20241102230900-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism.","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241102231700-Maykiwi-20241102230900"]}}-->

Quotations don't make for engaging prose. Our readers are not going to read material hidden in the citations. Your article should be prepared with our readers in mind, not to protect it from deletion at AFD. You could remove the quotations from material readily available online. For example, you've copied the abstract from a journal article. Diannaa (talk) 23:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241102231700","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241102231700-Maykiwi-20241102230900","replies":[]}}-->

Ned Lamont has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104002700","author":"Onegreatjoke","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Onegreatjoke-20241104002700-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ned_Lamont","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I suspect copyvio here, but am not really a specialist in this area, so I'd appreciate highly if you could have a look at this. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 13:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105133800","author":"Randykitty","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Randykitty-20241105133800-File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241105134600-Randykitty-20241105133800"]}}-->

It's okay to make a version of a seal or crest using the original blazon. If you look at the seals in the "other versions" section, they are all pretty much the same.--Diannaa (talk) 13:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105134600","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241105134600-Randykitty-20241105133800","replies":[]}}-->

Copyright Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105154300","author":"Servite et contribuere","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154300-Copyright","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. I definitely don’t want to steal copyright from the North Sydney Bears. I was a bit surprised about copyright, I just want evidence it was copyright please Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105154600","author":"Servite et contribuere","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600-Copyright","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241105194900-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600"]}}-->

Song lyrics are always copyright, and we're not allowed to include them. Sorry, Diannaa (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105194900","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241105194900-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600","replies":[]}}-->

Hello @Diannaa. Your article is a great start! To make it even better, consider adding more references to reliable sources. This helps verify the information and improves the article's quality. Check out this Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources for more details. Wyatt playz 32 (talk) 17:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106171300","author":"Wyatt playz 32","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wyatt_playz_32-20241106171300-Article_improvement_suggestion","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Diannaa. Would you mind taking a look at Pentathlon (film)? IP accounts show up every now and that to re-add about of stuff that might be a copyvio because it always has a copyright notice added at the very end. The latest IP showed up not earlier today and re-added the same content. Reverting it is no problem per se, but that just moves it to the page history which still might be a problem. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115110500","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marchjuly-20241115110500-Pentathlon_(film)","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241115144800-Marchjuly-20241115110500"]}}-->

Hi Marchjuly and thanks for the report. I was unable to locate the source document online but I agree it's likely copyvio so I have removed it and semi'd the article for a while. I will watch-list it as well so that if the problem resumes when the protection wears off I will see it right away. Diannaa (talk) 14:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115144800","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241115144800-Marchjuly-20241115110500","replies":["c-Marchjuly-20241115201800-Diannaa-20241115144800"]}}-->

Thank you for checking out this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115201800","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Marchjuly-20241115201800-Diannaa-20241115144800","replies":[]}}-->

Hi @Diannaa, I noticed that on July 21st you reverted changes made to Bihar School of Yoga page citing "remove copyright content copied from https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171539/https://sites.google.com/site/yogaposeunli/kundaliniyoga". The page you cited is dated October 2020. However the text that you said had a copyright violation, was actually added to the Swami Satyananda Saraswati page on 8 Dec 2019 as can be seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Satyananda_Saraswati&oldid=929851837. So the site you referenced is not the original source of the text and seems like they copied the text from the page Swami Satyananda Saraswati. Given the text originates on Wikipedia, it seems it would be ok from a copyright perspective to have it on the Bihar School of Yoga page given that it is directly related to Swami Satyananda. What do you think? SourabhJ (talk) 19:54, 16 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116195400","author":"SourabhJ","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SourabhJ-20241116195400-Bihar_School_of_Yoga","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241116203900-SourabhJ-20241116195400"]}}-->

Hi @SourabhJ and thank you for discovering this. I have fixed it. Diannaa (talk) 20:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116203900","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241116203900-SourabhJ-20241116195400","replies":[]}}-->

I have filed a Phab ticket.--Diannaa (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241118041400","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241118041400-CopyPatrol_has_stopped","replies":[]}}-->

Resolved--Diannaa (talk) 11:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241118112000","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241118112000-CopyPatrol_has_stopped","replies":[]}}-->

Hi @Diannaa I noticed your edit on the 1657 Ottoman campaign in Palestine recently. I had some question regarding this. I see all my edits on the 16th of November is slashed copyright. Saying the following;

content copied from https://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft896nb5pc;chunk.id=0;doc.view=print

What was the copyright violation specifically in this case so i can be more aware of it in the future? I remember quoting a specific historian his comment and using it as a direct source. And in the few instances of usage of this source I tried to reword its contents to avoid a situation of copyright.

Was the issue here my usage of this above book as a source itself? Or was it that my article text was considerd not differenciating enough from the original ?

I'd appreciate it and thank you in advance ! Imteghren (talk) 20:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241118205200","author":"Imteghren","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Imteghren-20241118205200-Question_about_Copyright","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241118210200-Imteghren-20241118205200"]}}-->

I have temporarily undone the reveision deletion so you can assess via Earwig's tool. There was one passage marked as a quotation, but most of it was not. I didn't removed the "Legacy" section but I paraphrased and removed some so that it would better comply with our copyright policy. Diannaa (talk) 21:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241118210200","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241118210200-Imteghren-20241118205200","replies":[]}}-->

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding Wikizilla text on Wikipedia. The thread is Wikizilla. Thank you. Nobody (talk) 10:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122100600","author":"1AmNobody24","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-1AmNobody24-20241122100600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241122131300-1AmNobody24-20241122100600"],"displayName":"Nobody"}}-->

Thanks, commented Diannaa (talk) 13:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122131300","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241122131300-1AmNobody24-20241122100600","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Diannaa, Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows a high probability of potential copyright content in the 'History' section that was added August 7, 2024. Regards. Woodlot (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122165300","author":"Woodlot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Woodlot-20241122165300-Possible_Copyvio_Toronto_Downtown_Dingos","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241122202900-Woodlot-20241122165300"]}}-->

Cleaned. Thanks for the report. Diannaa (talk) 20:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122202900","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241122202900-Woodlot-20241122165300","replies":[]}}-->

You removed much more than supposed/alleged copyrighted material and effectively derailed the effort to bring reliability to WP. Andreas Papandreou was a very polarizing figure, with fierce loyalists and critics. Before my changes, there was a misuse of references to the point of creation. Even now, there is still a lot of material that needs to be rewritten in order to bring it in alignment with printed sources. My effort was to organize any possible bibliography and be as faithful to the sources as possible to avoid biased interpretations (just check the changes made since [1]) If this faithfulness caused copyright concerns, please allow me to focus on these troubled sentences. I know that copyright is really bad, but having WP spreading untruths is just as bad, if not worse. Again, I apologize for the trouble, but I think this can be saved by concentrating on rewriting rather than deleting significant effort altogether.A.Cython (talk) 17:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122171200","author":"A.Cython","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-A.Cython-20241122171200-Andreas_Papandreou","replies":["c-Timtrent-20241122171800-A.Cython-20241122171200","c-Diannaa-20241122203800-A.Cython-20241122171200","c-A.Cython-20241122213900-A.Cython-20241122171200"]}}-->

@A.Cython (talk page watcher) seriously?

As long as you do not introduce any copyright errors and as long as you provide references, just sort it out. Please don;t hector other editors. No-one "effectively derailed the effort to bring reliability to WP" except those who put material that was inappropriate into the article the first place. Your tone is bordering on WP:INCIVIL and requires amelioration. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122171800","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Timtrent-20241122171800-A.Cython-20241122171200","replies":["c-A.Cython-20241122180700-Timtrent-20241122171800"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

Again, I apologize; I am only trying to understand the action so that it is not repeated. Removing two whole sections (one of which had three subsections) based on numerous reliable sources for a few sentences of one source that I am still trying to pinpoint seemed excessive, especially in this controversial topic; strangely/coincidentally enough, the removed sections were also the most negative connotation of Andreas. I suspect that the administrators see this problem repeatedly, and at some point, you just apply the rules irrespectively to the situation; if this is the case, I understand this course of action. All I am asking is how to fix this issue and save the amount of work done, as I have never been accused of copyright violation. For example, do I reintroduce the (updated) text back to the main article, or do I need to do this on the talk page until I get the ok from the administrator? Is there a tool that I can use to spot the troubled material? How much can I change a sentence till it is not considered a copyright violation? I will not talk on this page here again; my intention was to get some feedback on how to resolve this situation. Again, I apologize. I meant no disrespect. A.Cython (talk) 18:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122180700","author":"A.Cython","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-A.Cython-20241122180700-Timtrent-20241122171800","replies":["c-Whpq-20241122183200-A.Cython-20241122180700"]}}-->

(talk page watcher) This statement from you How much can I change a sentence till it is not considered a copyright violation? means you are trying to paste in copyrighted text and then adjust wording. This path is fraught with problems. This is considered a derivative work of a copyrighted source and result in close paraphrasing which is a copyright violation. I understand your desire to be faithful to what the source material states, but the best course of action is to write the material in your own words. -- Whpq (talk) 18:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122183200","author":"Whpq","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Whpq-20241122183200-A.Cython-20241122180700","replies":[]}}-->

Hello @A.Cython. I didn't actually remove any content at all; it's hidden behind the {{copyvio}} template. You can view the overlapping content using Earwig's tool. The case has been listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems, which gives you at a minimum one week to undertake a rewrite of the copied content. Sometimes I do the rewrite myself, but I don't have time right now to tackle such an extensive and complicated one, so sorry. Please carefully read the instructions already in place on your talk page and let me know when you're ready for me to review your work. Diannaa (talk) 20:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122203800","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241122203800-A.Cython-20241122171200","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for your response, and I apologize again if I was out of line, it was not my intention. I do not want to cause a copyright violation or write something that is derivative from a source. If I did, it was because I wanted to stick to the events as closely as possible. Given that it involves events, there are not many ways that one can describe them, which is why I rely on multiple sources. Also, note that I am not a native speaker, which further limits my ability to rewrite the description of these events in my own words. Given the collaborative effort of WP, I would have expected that, in the short or long run, others would slowly and steadily overwrite what I have done. I have to admit that I take pride in my contribution, not in what I write, but in searching and collecting all the reliable sources that I can find because, in the long run, it helps other editors who are far more experienced than me to improve an article further. At least this was my experience when I started editing in WP 15 years ago with the article of Eleftherios Venizelos (at that time, it did not even have sources [2]). Obviously, I misstepped somewhere, or the times changed since it has been years since I was heavily involved in WP. Anyhow, I have already created a temporary page where I am working on rewriting the material in question. The copyright tool is of great help in spotting the issues; thank you. That is what I needed to understand the problem! Of course, any help is welcomed.A.Cython (talk) 21:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122213900","author":"A.Cython","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-A.Cython-20241122213900-A.Cython-20241122171200","replies":["c-Timtrent-20241122222000-A.Cython-20241122213900","c-Diannaa-20241122232400-A.Cython-20241122213900"]}}-->

@A.Cython {{two}} Be aware that you absolutely may not place copyright material anywhere on Wikipedia in order to work on it. If you have done so that is a grave error. I am not suggesting that you have done so. However, even in a transient manner it may not exist here. Everything must be in your own words at all ties unless material you use is onwardly licenced for you to use here. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122222000","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Timtrent-20241122222000-A.Cython-20241122213900","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241122232000-Timtrent-20241122222000"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

@Timtrent, There's a special temporary page where items listed at WP:CP can be worked on, and it's not unusual for there to be copyright material in place there temporarily while the corrections are underway. That's what A.Cython is doing. The temporary page gets deleted as soon as the reworked material is moved into mainspace. Diannaa (talk) 23:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122232000","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241122232000-Timtrent-20241122222000","replies":[]}}-->

@A.Cython It's been my experience that many articles, even popular ones that are edited frequently, may contain material unchanged for years on end. So please don't assume that someone will intentionally or unintentionally repair your copyright violations. Everything you add to Wikipedia should be copyright compliant right from the start (except in your temp page for the purpose of copyright cleanup like you are doing now). Diannaa (talk) 23:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122232400","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241122232400-A.Cython-20241122213900","replies":["c-A.Cython-20241125134800-Diannaa-20241122232400"]}}-->

@Diannaa I have been working (incrementally) on the troubled text for the past few days; see here for the latest version: [3]. Please let me know if what has been done is enough or, at the very least, whether I am on the right track. Thank you. A.Cython (talk) 13:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125134800","author":"A.Cython","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-A.Cython-20241125134800-Diannaa-20241122232400","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241125135500-A.Cython-20241125134800","c-Diannaa-20241125140700-A.Cython-20241125134800"]}}-->

Sorry I am unable to check it at the moment as our main helper tool https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ is not working right now. Diannaa (talk) 13:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125135500","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241125135500-A.Cython-20241125134800","replies":[]}}-->

I was able to perform a check after all, and I see that there's a few overlapping phrases that are okay to leave in. I am going to go ahead and move the new version into mainspace now. Thank you for you hard work getting this matter resolved. Diannaa (talk) 14:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125140700","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241125140700-A.Cython-20241125134800","replies":["c-A.Cython-20241126033400-Diannaa-20241125140700"]}}-->

Thank you for your speedy response. I will improve the article further with the tool you mentioned, it is very powerful/useful. I greatly appreciate this experience, even though I panicked when I first saw the template.A.Cython (talk) 03:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126033400","author":"A.Cython","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-A.Cython-20241126033400-Diannaa-20241125140700","replies":["c-A.Cython-20241203040000-A.Cython-20241126033400"]}}-->

Quick question. In the article of Andreas Papandreou in the Political career, there are two templates of "more citations needed". Since I have made significant progress, is it ok for me to remove them? I include the version [4] of the article before my changes/additions. A.Cython (talk) 04:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203040000","author":"A.Cython","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-A.Cython-20241203040000-A.Cython-20241126033400","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241203101200-A.Cython-20241203040000"]}}-->

Each paragraph should have at least one citation, and you've achieved that, so I think it's okay to remove the tags. Diannaa (talk) 10:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203101200","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241203101200-A.Cython-20241203040000","replies":["c-A.Cython-20241204051500-Diannaa-20241203101200"]}}-->

Thank you.A.Cython (talk) 05:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204051500","author":"A.Cython","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-A.Cython-20241204051500-Diannaa-20241203101200","replies":["c-A.Cython-20241210151000-A.Cython-20241204051500"]}}-->

Could you please have a look at the article or at least point to someone who deals with this situation? I have an anonymous user who removes sourced material from the article at an accelerated rate and claims NPOV, without providing evidence. Maybe I am biased and human i.e., making a mistake here and there, which is why re-read and re-check things; at least I am trying to be faithful with what the books say. It is not clear what he is doing, and he does not use the talk page to explain. Thank you in advance. A.Cython (talk) 15:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210151000","author":"A.Cython","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-A.Cython-20241210151000-A.Cython-20241204051500","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241213120900-A.Cython-20241210151000"]}}-->

Sorry for not having time to help with this. Luckily the problem seems to have stopped, at least for now. Diannaa (talk) 12:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213120900","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241213120900-A.Cython-20241210151000","replies":["c-A.Cython-20241215054600-Diannaa-20241213120900"]}}-->

Thank you anyway (most editors that I knew 12 years ago have retired... time flies), and I do not have experience in dealing with these situations effectively without calling experienced editors to assist. I left the NPOV tag the guy inserted on the article until he/she makes the case on the talk page. Enjoy the Holidays. A.Cython (talk) 05:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241215054600","author":"A.Cython","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-A.Cython-20241215054600-Diannaa-20241213120900","replies":[]}}-->

Firstly, thank you for your extraordinary work on this project; it is just remarkable & exemplary. Meanwhile, re your edit of 11/July/2024 here, I hope you will accept my good-faith edit to restore the mass-deleted supporting quotations (and other supporting content) from the citations in this article. I originally included the quotations for the important dual purpose of simultaneously evidencing (I'm dubious about this neologism :-0) the legitimacy of the citation (& consequent article text), as well as providing a primary bulwark against link-rot, which I see as an appalling cancer attacking this project that must be tackled at every level. Unfortunately, the mass-deletion robs the article of all this. In addition, the mass-deletion also picked up some 'Editors notes' that I had written myself to further explain the relevance of the citations. So, since there is no edit summary to give a reason for the mass-deletion, am I correct in assuming that you see this as a copyright issue? Re this, if all these quotes were from the same source, it would be legitimate to view it as a possible copyright violation. However, all these quotes are from different sources and all are brief (& can be made briefer if absolutely necessary) so they are legitimate for inclusion in Wikipedia given the provisions for scholarly and study purposes that are allowed by both copyright law & Wikipedia policy. I note you left the quotation in the 5th section of the displayed article text, so there is general agreement here that quotations are legitimate & allowed. I hope we can continue to extend this to the important quotations and other content in the citations. Cheers! Bluevista99 (talk) 08:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124085200","author":"Bluevista99","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bluevista99-20241124085200-Counterpoint_(Radio_National)_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_(AND_more)_from","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241124151600-Bluevista99-20241124085200","c-Diannaa-20241124155300-Bluevista99-20241124085200"]}}-->

Counterpoint (Radio National)

Hello, I don't recall why the edit summary is missing from the edit. Sorry for not having added it. Typically the edit summary for such an edit would read "remove excessive non-free content, per Wikipedia:Non-free content". Basically, short quotations are okay, but only when necessary; adding excessive quotations is not a copyright violation but rather a violation of our non-free content guideline. In my opinion providing quotations from your citations is not necessary unless the material has been challenged or is likely to be challenged. A better way of protecting from link-rot is to include an archive link for your citations. See Wikipedia:Link rot.

I don't recall my reasoning removing your "editor's notes" but a good reason for doing so would be because you've in essence added unsourced content/original research in these notes. Editor's notes are not something we typically do. It would be a lot more appropriate to integrate the content into the article, assuming the material can be sourced. Diannaa (talk) 15:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124151600","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241124151600-Bluevista99-20241124085200","replies":[]}}-->

If you do want to add sourced content as an explanatory note, please don't include it in the |quote field of your citation. Instead, you could use the formatting available for explanatory notes. There's details on how to do it at Help:Explanatory notes. Diannaa (talk) 15:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124155300","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241124155300-Bluevista99-20241124085200","replies":["c-Bluevista99-20241127050200-Diannaa-20241124155300"]}}-->

Thanks for the thoughtful reply as well as the suggestions, and I see that User:Wizardman has deleted all the quotations and editor's notes, so the status-quo you established has been restored. I can't say that I'm convinced that this is the best outcome for the article (or others), or the best policy prescription for Wikipedia to nail its colours to. Just on the issue of illustrating articles, when I see (& I can't be alone in this) all the articles with 2nd rate photos, or no photo at all (which is frighteningly common), because of the choking restriction that an overly rigid regime of insisting on "free content" leads to, I'm inclined to believe that the Wikipedia's policies should be relaxed to be more in line with the more liberating 'fair use' exemptions that are part of the Copyright regime. Something like that, which would also allow the embedding of quotations that provide immediate evidence for citations & provide and extra layer of defense against link-rot; these sort of things would genuinely help build an encyclopedia that is demonstrably better & more resilient. External archives are not perfect or impervious, as proven by the hacks of the Internet Archive as well as its court defeat re copyright.
No matter, at least this project will be purged of its multitude of sins when I gather my legions of minions to march upon the citadel of Wikipedia, breach the walls, smash down the last defenses of the castle keep, and storm the bed chamber of God Emperor Jimbo so that my lackeys may finally bind his bloated & pustulent carcass in irons and haul him to the precipice to hurl him from the battlements that he may meet his well-deserved fate below.
Yes! Yes! Glorious Revolution & Unfettered Anarchy; may they reign forever! DEUS VULT!! Mmwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
(Oops... maybe I got a bit carried away there). Meanwhile, have a delightful day :-). Cheers! Bluevista99 (talk) 05:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127050200","author":"Bluevista99","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bluevista99-20241127050200-Diannaa-20241124155300","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, a file was recently added to Selected Ambient Works Volume II. It's not from the front cover, but the album liner. It's used because on the record the tracklisting uses images instead of words for track titles. Does it comply with fair use? Cambial — foliar❧ 15:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126153100","author":"Cambial Yellowing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cambial_Yellowing-20241126153100-Album_track_image_fair_use?","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241126205800-Cambial_Yellowing-20241126153100"],"displayName":"Cambial"}}-->

Since there are three paragraphs of discussion in the article about the various images used, I think it's okay. If you wish to (hopefully) generate more opinions you could ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. I listened to part of the first track but had to shut it off, not my kind of thing lol. Diannaa (talk) 20:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126205800","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241126205800-Cambial_Yellowing-20241126153100","replies":[]}}-->

Where do I get the data box when creating an article for Wikipedia? Thanks. Happy editing! Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X (talk) 09:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127093000","author":"Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_2008_Wiki_X-20241127093000-Hello","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241127142400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_2008_Wiki_X-20241127093000"]}}-->

I think you mean the infobox! We have lots to choose from. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. Since you are very new, I've added a collection of links to information for beginners to your user talk page. Diannaa (talk) 14:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127142400","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241127142400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_2008_Wiki_X-20241127093000","replies":[]}}-->

I created an article on Wikipedia called "Aghiyak Island (Alaska)". For some reason, it seems that this article has been deleted. Please check if this article has been deleted or not! Thank you. Happy editing! Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X (talk) 14:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127145600","author":"Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_2008_Wiki_X-20241127145600-About_the_article_\"Aghiyak_Island_(Alaska)\"","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241127150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_2008_Wiki_X-20241127145600"]}}-->

We don't have an article by that title, and we have never had one at that title. I also checked Aghiyak Island and there's nothing there either. Diannaa (talk) 15:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127150100","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241127150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_2008_Wiki_X-20241127145600","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Diannaa, I hope all is well with you. I'm not sure how to deal with edits (12,230 bytes' worth) a new user has made to his talk page that appear to contain a good deal of copyvio in the form of excessive quotations. You, with your vast experience in such matters, are eminently qualified to assess them and act accordingly, so I'm pointing you to that page. This editor has also made good-faith edits to the ergine page that contain a lot of quotation from sources. They look okay to me, but you would be a better judge. Carlstak (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128153700","author":"Carlstak","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carlstak-20241128153700-Excessive_quotation_by_new_user","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241128221700-Carlstak-20241128153700"]}}-->

Hi Carlstak. I have removed the non-free content from the editor's talk page and left them some info to help them get started. The quotes they've included in their citations on ergine are a lot but I see a lot worse, every day, so I left that part alone. Diannaa (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128221700","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241128221700-Carlstak-20241128153700","replies":["c-Carlstak-20241128234700-Diannaa-20241128221700"]}}-->

Thanks, Diannaa. Carlstak (talk) 23:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128234700","author":"Carlstak","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Carlstak-20241128234700-Diannaa-20241128221700","replies":[]}}-->

I am having problems on Hirohito with an editor whom you are already familiar with, LilAhok. He/she stubbornly clings to their vision of how the page should look and fights me tooth-and-nail on nearly every single change to their preferred version (even when the result is grammatically inferior or suggestive of bias). With regards to the latter issue, said editor seems hell-bent on having the page represent that Hirohito was the mastermind behind Japanese wartime actions while casting arguments against said view as the byproduct of a whitewashing campaign by Japanese right-wingers and American occupation forces. In light of your interest in keeping such articles to an objective and professional standard, I thought you should know. Emiya1980 (talk) 07:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241129074400","author":"Emiya1980","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emiya1980-20241129074400-Problems_with_\"LilAhok\"","replies":["c-LilAhok-20241129080900-Emiya1980-20241129074400","c-Diannaa-20241129111600-Emiya1980-20241129074400"]}}-->

Please don't misrepresent my edits. We brought our disagreement to the talk page, where two other editors joined the discussion. There was a thorough discussion, and I was not the one who made the edits to the article after the discussion. I never claimed he was the mastermind behind Japan's wartime actions. I've explicitly mentioned that the issue is still a subject of debate, as indicated in the introduction. LilAhok (talk) 08:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241129080900","author":"LilAhok","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LilAhok-20241129080900-Emiya1980-20241129074400","replies":[]}}-->

This is not the place to settle content disputes. Please discuss on the talk page, and if you can't settle it there, please see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution for what to do next. --Diannaa (talk) 11:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241129111600","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241129111600-Emiya1980-20241129074400","replies":[]}}-->

thank you for your note. Could you please help me to find the "copyrighted material", that you found? As far as I know I paraphrase everything and added references. But I do not have the exact material, that you deleted.

Also, I believe we discussed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Use earlier. You told me, that Wikipedia follows the US Copyright Laws, which are actually more generous than the laws of any other country, when it comes to Fair Use or its equivalents. 1) "The single most important element of fair use" is whether the quotation would increase of decrease the sales of the original source. There is a good section about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Use => 4. Effect upon work's value 2) The small quotations, that I always use, are more likely to prompt the reader to go read the original source to get a better understanding - i.e. to increase the sales of the cited work. 3) Also, I want to let you know, that the government documents in the USA (like the text of the US Constitution, the Acts of the Congress, patent documents, court decisions, and all work produced by government employees as a part of their job) can never been copyrighted. 4) Even in cases, when a copyright is violated in the US, the copyright holder cannot bring a lawsuit or claim damages without first demanding the copyrighted content is removed. Considering the last statement, can you explain the value of wiki's copy-patrol?

I also noticed, that you use the term plagiarism too broadly, even in the cases when the original source is acknowledged. Here is an good explanation of the difference between plagiarism and copyright infringement: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fair_use&action=edit&section=7

I am all for respecting the Law, but I do not want to decrease the quality of wiki-articles, when it is not necessary.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter Tau (talk • contribs)

The passage you added cannot be considered to be a quotation, as there were no quotation marks. We don't base our copyright decisions on whether or not we are likely to get sued. When you add copyright material to Wikipedia, you are not only in violation of our copyright policy, but one of our foundational principles, the third one, which states "Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute." Your last point, regarding plagiarism. The edit goes beyond plagiarism and is straight copying, as it is almost identical to the source. Source says:

Your addition:

Overlapping content is shown in Bold. You now have received seven warnings for violation of our copyright policy. This is your final warning. Further violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy will result in you being blocked from editing. --Diannaa (talk) 13:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201132800","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241201132800-Re:_Your_edit_to_Employment_of_autistic_people_has_been_removed_in_whole_or_in_p","replies":[]}}-->

I respect the Laws of wikipedia and work for this organisation and I am responsible for majority of edits on this page. This is a Security institution and the information placed on the page is owned by the Office . Majority of the content placed on the page was picked from our official website which was in effect referenced for readers to see the source. I humbly request that this information be reverted As soon as possible so as to no misinform the public. Vigilante eye 1 (talk) 13:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241202135400","author":"Vigilante eye 1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vigilante_eye_1-20241202135400-Office_of_the_Special_Prosecutor","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241202141500-Vigilante_eye_1-20241202135400"]}}-->

Thank you for your interest in working on Wikipedia. There are a couple of problems with your submission. You cannot post copyright material on Wikipedia even if you are the copyright holder or have their permission, unless special documentation is in place. That is because Wikipedia aims to be freely distributable and copyable by anyone, and all content must have the appropriate documentation in place before that can happen. Please see Wikipedia:donating copyrighted materials which explains how it works.

The second problem is conflict of interest. Writing an article about your own organisation or that of a client is strongly discouraged, as it is difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view. According to our terms of use, paid editors and people editing on behalf of their employer are required to disclose their conflict of interest by posting a notice on their user page or talk page. Please read the information about conflict of interest and paid editing on your user talk page.--Diannaa (talk) 14:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241202141500","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241202141500-Vigilante_eye_1-20241202135400","replies":[]}}-->

Wow, Diannaa, I just thought I was being helpful! I saw that there were no episode synopses beyond the third show of Season 1, so I merely copied what appears on PBS's web site. I didn't think they could have a problem with that but you are the expert, of course, so I am glad to see that you have removed them all. (Incidentally, I only thought of doing this after I finished the final season; what I should have done, I suppose, was to write my own synopses — that would be okay, no? — but I was too lazy to go back and replay the 15 missing episodes in order to do so.) This has been an eye-opener in a good way: I am impressed and reassured more than ever about the accuracy of Wikipedia information as a result of this experience. Thanks. Bru888 (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203030600","author":"Bru888","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bru888-20241203030600-Episode_Synopses_for_\"Hotel_Portofino\"","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241203033000-Bru888-20241203030600"]}}-->

Thanks for your kind comments. A lot of people don't know that Wikipedia doesn't accept copyright material, including plot summaries that are from official sources or places like IMDb. I hope you continue to edit and enjoy Wikipedia and hope to see you around in the future. Diannaa (talk) 03:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203033000","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241203033000-Bru888-20241203030600","replies":[]}}-->

	The Original Barnstar
	Good work Rushabh.dev (talk) 01:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210013700","author":"Rushabh.dev","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rushabh.dev-20241210013700-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you! --Diannaa (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210015300","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241210015300-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, thank you for your message regarding the edits made to the Briarcrest Christian School page. I am new to editing on Wikipedia, so your guidance was very helpful and instructive. I am primarily trying to edit some of the objective information on the page (particularly in the school template - enrollment and principal sections are no longer accurate.) I would also like to add information related to recent academic offerings and athletics (again, objective information). It appears my submission was removed and the page reverted back to its previous content. What is the best way to ensure this objective information is added? Rmstonebcs (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210140900","author":"Rmstonebcs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rmstonebcs-20241210140900-Edits_to_Briarcrest_Christian_School","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241210151800-Rmstonebcs-20241210140900"]}}-->

Hello, one problem is that some of the content you added is identical to material found on the school's website, here. Another problem is you removed properly sourced negative information. You also appear to have a conflict of interest. Editing the article about your own organisation is strongly discouraged, as it is difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view. According to our terms of use, paid editors and people editing on behalf of their employer are required to disclose their conflict of interest by posting a notice on their user page or talk page. Please read the information about conflict of interest on your user talk page. --Diannaa (talk) 15:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210151800","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241210151800-Rmstonebcs-20241210140900","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Diannaa. Could you take a look at this edit made to Michael Hennagin? I've already undone the edit per WP:NOTCV, but it also kind of looks like it could've been possibly copied directly from "MacMillan, Duncan; The Piano Music of Michael Hennagin: An Introductory Examination Dissertation, University of Oklahoma, 1987 (Appendix F)". Is there anyway to check to see whether this kind of thing is a copyvio when no url is provided for the source? I tried Googling it since sometimes dissertations end up becoming books or otherwise are published online, but came up empty. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:04, 12 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212050400","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marchjuly-20241212050400-Michael_Hennagin","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241212122000-Marchjuly-20241212050400"]}}-->

Hi Marchjuly, I couldn't find a way to access the document either. But I'm not sure we need to worry about copy vio, as it's a list of compositions. Diannaa (talk) 12:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212122000","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241212122000-Marchjuly-20241212050400","replies":["c-Marchjuly-20241213010200-Diannaa-20241212122000"]}}-->

Thank you for looking at this Diannaa. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213010200","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Marchjuly-20241213010200-Diannaa-20241212122000","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I see you undid a section I added on the two witnesses as contemporaries. I am the author of the cited dissertation. I was not aware that I had quoted the document so closely. I apologize. I have actually rewritten that section, and I have tried to alter the wording significantly, so that it is not a quotation or plagarization. I will add it in and let you be the judge. Malachirobertson (talk) 13:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212134700","author":"Malachirobertson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malachirobertson-20241212134700-Two_Witnesses_Article","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241212135700-Malachirobertson-20241212134700"]}}-->

Please review the our convlict of interest guideline, particularly the section WP:CITESELF. Thanks, --Diannaa (talk) 13:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212135700","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241212135700-Malachirobertson-20241212134700","replies":["c-Malachirobertson-20241212140000-Diannaa-20241212135700"]}}-->

Thank you pointing this out. I was aware of this and have tried not to cite my work specifically and to not even put it in the references section, but rather highlight the works of others that I found helpful in my own study of the history of the interpretation of the two witnesses. Malachirobertson (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212140000","author":"Malachirobertson","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Malachirobertson-20241212140000-Diannaa-20241212135700","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241212233200-Malachirobertson-20241212140000"]}}-->

I have had to remove a subsequent addition as it is still too close to the source document.--Diannaa (talk) 23:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212233200","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241212233200-Malachirobertson-20241212140000","replies":["c-Malachirobertson-20241213000000-Diannaa-20241212233200","c-Malachirobertson-20241213000800-Diannaa-20241212233200"]}}-->

Which addition did you remove? Curious. Malachirobertson (talk) 00:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213000000","author":"Malachirobertson","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Malachirobertson-20241213000000-Diannaa-20241212233200","replies":[]}}-->

I think I see. It was the section on the witnesses as contemporaries. Any suggestions on how I can make it less like the source, so that this section is not absent from the article? Malachirobertson (talk) 00:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213000800","author":"Malachirobertson","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Malachirobertson-20241213000800-Diannaa-20241212233200","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241213005500-Malachirobertson-20241213000800"]}}-->

The edit was flagged by the CopyPatrol system. It might help you to view what was found by the detection service in the most recent edit. The report is here. You can check the results from Turnitin by viewing the iThenticate report. In order to review the iThenticate report you will have to first log in to the CopyPatrol system (upper right corner of the page). You will be asked to provide authorization at Meta for access to your account.

Next, click on the link to the iThenticate report, so that you can see what was found by the detection service. I think it is at this point you are asked to agree to the terms of use of the Turnitin people, who have kindly donated the use of this tool to Wikipedia. The overlapping content will be highlighted (the iThenticate report may take a while to load).

The content you add should not include any wording from the source material. Summarize rather than paraphrase, and don't try to include every single detail. This will typically result in the new version being much shorter than the source document. It also helps to have more than one source to draw from. Gotta go, the battery is dying on my laptop so I have to log off now. Diannaa (talk) 00:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213005500","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241213005500-Malachirobertson-20241213000800","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for dealing with the copyvio revdel on this article. The author has immediately replaced the offending passage - I've marked it again for deletion but strongly suspect she'll just keep putting it back. At what point does page protection come into play? Ingratis (talk) 08:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216081100","author":"Ingratis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ingratis-20241216081100-Swami_Harshananda","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241216115500-Ingratis-20241216081100"]}}-->

The editor's most recent post indicates that they do not yet understand how copyright works. So I've added another message to their talk page. Typically if there's just one person I would do a block before page protection. I will watch the article for a while. -- Diannaa (talk) 11:55, 16 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216115500","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241216115500-Ingratis-20241216081100","replies":["c-Ingratis-20241216122700-Diannaa-20241216115500"]}}-->

Thank you very much! Ingratis (talk) 12:27, 16 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216122700","author":"Ingratis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ingratis-20241216122700-Diannaa-20241216115500","replies":[]}}-->

I recently noticed a proliferation of long passages presented as quotes. While quotation and attribution is considered an acceptable way of presenting copyrighted material, the Wikipedia essay wp:quotations offers some guidance. That guidance has two defects — it's an essay so does not have the force of policy, and it is (understandably) short on specific guidance as to acceptable length.

I've accepted a number of such situations some of which are quite short and therefore in my opinion quite appropriate. Others are longer than I would like but I've accepted them. However this one strikes me as a bit too long (392 words): 1963 Nobel Prize in Literature: Difference between revisions

What are your thoughts on how this should be handled?

As an aside, while this one is not a specific example, I've seen in increased usage of long passages in the quote parameter within a reference. I'm a big fan of using exact passages to support a point made in my own words, but I generally try to excerpt a short a passage as possible. You have any thoughts on whether copyrighted text used in the quote parameter of a reference ought to be handled differently than a quote inserted into the main text of an article? S Philbrick(Talk) 13:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217134700","author":"Sphilbrick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sphilbrick-20241217134700-How_to_handle_long_quotes","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241217143400-Sphilbrick-20241217134700"],"displayName":"S Philbrick"}}-->

It's true that there's not a lot of specific guidance as to length or number of quotes whether in the article itself or embedded in the citations. Adding quotes to citations seems to be gaining in popularity, too. The guideline Wikipedia:Non-free content#Text says "Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited" but it doesn't specify how much is too much or how many quotes are too many. So it's a judgement call, both within the article and within the citations.

Within an article, I usually remove a quote if it's more than one or two sentences, especially if the content could readily be rewritten. Edit summary is typically "remove quotation; there's no reason why original prose could not be prepared". Sometimes I will trim for length if the editor has added an overlong quote from a movie review or book review. If an editor has added an unenlightening adspeak quote from a press release I will typically remove it. Other cases where the article shows an overuse of quotations throughout where the article would kinda be destroyed if I removed it all, I will tag for {{Over-quotation}} and let the interested editors decide what to do. I sometimes use the same tag for over-quotation within citations as well.

Regarding quotations within citations: if the subject matter is controversial or the sources are not readily accessible, I will leave it alone. Quotes from readily available web content on material that is not controversial or not likely to be challenged are good candidates for removal, especially if the amount and number and length of quotations is out of proportion to the length of the article. Regarding the Nobel Prize speech, my opinion is that the quotation is too long and not very enlightening, and I would likely remove it and suggest the editor should offer an external link instead. I might try trimming it to a much shorter excerpt if I had the time and thought I could do so in an effective way. Diannaa (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217143400","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241217143400-Sphilbrick-20241217134700","replies":["c-Sphilbrick-20241217181400-Diannaa-20241217143400","c-1AmNobody24-20241218145100-Diannaa-20241217143400"]}}-->

Thanks for the indepth answer. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217181400","author":"Sphilbrick","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sphilbrick-20241217181400-Diannaa-20241217143400","replies":["c-Cullen328-20241218204900-Sphilbrick-20241217181400"],"displayName":"S Philbrick"}}-->

I use quotations in a limited way to more accurately convey some unique insight from the source that is difficult to paraphrase, and especially for critical assessment of books, movies and the like. My personal rule of thumb is that one or two sentences are fine, three sentences may be OK, and four sentences might be justified in unusual circumstances. I also take into consideration the length of the source. I would never use four sentences from a brief newspaper article, but may occasionally use four sentences from a book or a lengthy journal article.

But my main reason for coming by is to thank you, Diannaa, for all of your outstanding work on copyright issues over the years. I deeply appreciate your expertise. Cullen328 (talk) 20:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218204900","author":"Cullen328","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cullen328-20241218204900-Sphilbrick-20241217181400","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241218205400-Cullen328-20241218204900"]}}-->

Thanks for your kind remarks Cullen328, and for adding another perspective on the quotations issue. Diannaa (talk) 20:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218205400","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241218205400-Cullen328-20241218204900","replies":[]}}-->

I've noticed a slight increase in footquote reports at CopyPatrol and wonder sometimes "How many are too many quotes" or "How long is too long". I'm not always comfortable at making judgement calls, but leaving the report open and with that leaving more work for others seems also not ideal. Nobody (talk) 14:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218145100","author":"1AmNobody24","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-1AmNobody24-20241218145100-Diannaa-20241217143400","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241218145900-1AmNobody24-20241218145100"],"displayName":"Nobody"}}-->

I don't like doing it either; I never know what's going to provoke someone into getting nasty about it. Most times there's no response or at worst they revert me. But hopefully they learn something too. Diannaa (talk) 14:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218145900","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241218145900-1AmNobody24-20241218145100","replies":[]}}-->

Hi - there are a couple of edits to this page with offensive Edit Summaries - [5] and [6] - would you be willing to remove them? Thanks! Dorsetonian (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222204500","author":"Dorsetonian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dorsetonian-20241222204500-Revdel_request_-_Hurricane_Debby","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241222204800-Dorsetonian-20241222204500"]}}-->

 Done Thanks for the suggestion. Diannaa (talk) 20:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222204800","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241222204800-Dorsetonian-20241222204500","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Diannaa ,

Thank you very much for your message it was really insightful.

I need your help in learning how to update the Visa requirements for Palestinian citizens map along with colors and backgrounds when you edit this country can be entered as e-visa or the visa isn't required.

Thanks

Husam.bell (talk) 11:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223112900","author":"Husam.bell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Husam.bell-20241223112900-Visa_requirements_for_Palestinian_citizens","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241223122800-Husam.bell-20241223112900"]}}-->

Sorry, I don't know how to do the map.Diannaa (talk) 12:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223122800","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241223122800-Husam.bell-20241223112900","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Diannaa. I want to propose this to you; restore my edit to the article for at least a few hours. I will fix it to avoid plagiarism and cite even the source you mentioned. If you and your friends are not sure, please look at my edit history and you will see that my edits on the Pablo Escobar article are far from even resembling that page you showed me before. If you have any questions, please reply to me. Regards. JeanMercier90 (talk) 17:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223171500","author":"JeanMercier90","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JeanMercier90-20241223171500-Sal\u00f2,_or_the_120_Days_of_Sodom","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241223194500-JeanMercier90-20241223171500"]}}-->

I will send you the deleted content via email. Diannaa (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223194500","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241223194500-JeanMercier90-20241223171500","replies":["c-JeanMercier90-20241223230400-Diannaa-20241223194500"]}}-->

II just checked my email. There's nothing, not even in spam. JeanMercier90 (talk) 23:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223230400","author":"JeanMercier90","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JeanMercier90-20241223230400-Diannaa-20241223194500","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241224020000-JeanMercier90-20241223230400"]}}-->

I have sent it again. Diannaa (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224020000","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241224020000-JeanMercier90-20241223230400","replies":["c-JeanMercier90-20241224154000-Diannaa-20241224020000"]}}-->

Nothing. Please send to the same but change hotmail by gmail. Thanks. JeanMercier90 (talk) 15:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224154000","author":"JeanMercier90","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-JeanMercier90-20241224154000-Diannaa-20241224020000","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241224194900-JeanMercier90-20241224154000"]}}-->

I am not able to select the destination of my email; it comes from the Wikipedia email system. Check your preferences and see what email address you have selected to receive mail. Diannaa (talk) 19:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224194900","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241224194900-JeanMercier90-20241224154000","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Diannaa, I'd suggest you revision-delete [7] or at least its edit comment. The content seems harmless enough (if not constructive), but the comment is offensive. Or if I should rather report this elsewhere, please let me know. Gawaon (talk) 08:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241226085600","author":"Gawaon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gawaon-20241226085600-Problematic_edit_comment","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241226131600-Gawaon-20241226085600"]}}-->

 Done. Thank you for reporting this. Diannaa (talk) 13:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241226131600","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241226131600-Gawaon-20241226085600","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, I didn’t copy word for word everything in the sources, I made quite a lot of changings to the wording and summarised info all aligning, per the sources. The only thing I really copied mostly entirely was the witness’s quotes, which I could summarise. If anything I made the section more informative. We’re editors and we edit based on what the sources say and its credibility. Is he guilty or not, is up to the readers. But what I could say is he was confirmed and exposed for lying about killing 21 Viet Cong in his reports, which later was actually identified as dozens of women and children which won him the Bronze Star. For 32 years he kept quiet until journalists found out about the incident. Now that says a lot. Now Whether his complicity or not, the Vietnamese side of the story and its witnesses statements is equally important. I don’t think you should remove it outright. OutsidersInsight (talk) 15:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241226153900","author":"OutsidersInsight","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-OutsidersInsight-20241226153900-Bob_Kerrey","replies":["c-Diannaa-20241227041900-OutsidersInsight-20241226153900"]}}-->

My main purpose in visiting the article was to do the copyright cleanup. I found you have copied content (other than the direct quotations) from at least three of your sources so I took all that ourr. There were some quotes and left some of them in. But I removed some that were not directly related to the subject of the article, as to leave them in place seemed inappropriate per our policy WP:BLP which helps us to protect the rights of living people. Diannaa (talk) 04:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241227041900","author":"Diannaa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Diannaa-20241227041900-OutsidersInsight-20241226153900","replies":[]}}-->