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WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - September 2020

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22:59, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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Bat

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	Hello ColinFine, Koopa24 has given you an lovely bat, to wish you a Happy Halloween! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a lovely bat! Enjoy!
	Spread the goodness of a lovely bat by adding {{subst:User:Miss Bono/Halloween}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Flap flap? IZeeYou2 (talk) 14:22, 15 September 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-09-15T14:22:00.000Z","author":"IZeeYou2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-IZeeYou2-2020-09-15T14:22:00.000Z-Bat","replies":[]}}-->

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Your help desk response

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Regarding this question, which I just saw, you didn't notice that the talk page was preceded by "Wikipedia talk". However, the purpose of that page was not to discuss subscriptions anyway, so your advice was correct.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:37, 16 September 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-09-16T22:37:00.000Z","author":"Vchimpanzee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vchimpanzee-2020-09-16T22:37:00.000Z-Your_help_desk_response","replies":[]}}-->

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I need advice

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Hello. I created a page for an artist and linked all the available information so that people can see that the artist is real. But every time I keep on getting flagged for spam and one editor told me to stop putting nonsense on Wikipedia what should I do? The page was up for months that it even got added to Google's search, all I did was add a few accomplishments he made and the same editor deleted it again saying it's spam. Now I'm just confused. Jane phiri (talk) 13:43, 22 September 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-09-22T13:43:00.000Z","author":"Jane phiri","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jane_phiri-2020-09-22T13:43:00.000Z-I_need_advice","replies":["c-ColinFine-2020-09-22T18:50:00.000Z-Jane_phiri-2020-09-22T13:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello, Jane phiri. Being real isn't enough. I'm real, you're presumably real, but that doesn't mean that there should be Wikipedia articles about us (though I am mentioned in one). Wikipedia articles are based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, in reliable places: Wikipedia has no interest in what I know, or you know, about Chileshe; and little interest in what Chileshe or his associates say about him. It follows that, unless you find several (realistically, at least three) places where people who have no connection at all with Chileshe (and have not been prompted or supplied information by him or his agents) have written significant coverage about him, and been published in reliable sources, then there is literally nothing which can go into an article about him. Your second citation, to a sales site, is certainly spam. Please see MUSICBIO for more information. And remember that Wikipedia articles are for the benefit of Wikipedia and its readers, not for the benefit of the subjects of the articles. --ColinFine (talk) 18:50, 22 September 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-09-22T18:50:00.000Z","author":"ColinFine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-2020-09-22T18:50:00.000Z-Jane_phiri-2020-09-22T13:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - October 2020

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22:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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New article

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Dear Colin,

I have written a new article on Sucharit Bhakdi, which was declined twice. This has never happened to me before. The reasons for the decline were not very specific. From the web page of the "Teahouse", I understand that you are offering help with these matters. Would you give the article a look and tell me what should be done, according to your opinion?

Best regards,

RzU78pzy12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RzU78pzy12 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 8 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-08T21:59:00.000Z","author":"RzU78pzy12","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RzU78pzy12-2020-10-08T21:59:00.000Z-New_article","replies":["c-ColinFine-2020-10-08T22:53:00.000Z-RzU78pzy12-2020-10-08T21:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

The reasons for the decline are very clear, RzU78pzy12: there is not a single reference which is independent, reliable, and has significant coverage of Bhakdi.

Remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything written or published - or, indeed, done - by Bhakti or his associates or employers, unless these have been written about by people who have no connection with him. The book reviews might contribute to notability of the book, but not of Bhakdi. The Buchreport one says nothing about him at all, and the Goldegg has a paragraph about him which obviously comes either from the book or from a press release, so is not independent.

I observe that you say "this has never happened to me before" - but your account is less than three weeks old, and has only eleven edits, and this is the only article or draft which you have edited, so how could it have happened to you before? Furthermore, the fact that your very first edit on coming here was to create that draft, coupled with the fact that the section "Scientific work" has no sources at all leads me to ask, do you have a connection with Bhakdi? If so, you should read about editing with a conflict of interest; and if it is part of your job, or you are in any way paid, to write this, then you must make the mandatory declaration as a paid editor. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 8 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-08T22:53:00.000Z","author":"ColinFine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-2020-10-08T22:53:00.000Z-RzU78pzy12-2020-10-08T21:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Colin,

Thank you for your comments! Let me only mention that I do not have a personal connection with Bhakdi, whom I have never met, and while several people have suspected that paid editors are working on his German Wikipedia page, I am not one of them and am not paid for the writing of this article. It is also definitely not part of my job to write this article.

Best regards,

RzU78pzy12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RzU78pzy12 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 9 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-09T16:17:00.000Z","author":"RzU78pzy12","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RzU78pzy12-2020-10-09T16:17:00.000Z-New_article","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Colin,

As I just noticed, somebody else has just written an article about Sucharit Bhakdi, so fortunately my draft is no longer needed.

Best regards,

RzU78pzy12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RzU78pzy12 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-09T16:37:00.000Z","author":"RzU78pzy12","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RzU78pzy12-2020-10-09T16:37:00.000Z-New_article","replies":[]}}-->

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Cleaning up sandbox

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oh Colin, thanks a lot. I´ve been looking for the solution for a long time. In spanish wikipedia it is solved by a template... so I thought it was the same... thanks--DamAzul (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-15T14:28:00.000Z","author":"DamAzul","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DamAzul-2020-10-15T14:28:00.000Z-Cleaning_up_sandbox","replies":[]}}-->

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - November 2020

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00:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks sir

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I'm sorry to bother you, but this is not the first time.Before this they destroyed most oldest cave in the former USSR and Caucasus and the 4th oldest cave in the world (grammatical errors, the location of this cave is in Nagorno-Karabakh in Armenia and the location of Nagorno-Karabakh is in Armenia?). It was inhabited by Armenians? ... What kind of nation existed in prehistory?Please see this sir: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Azokh_Cave&oldid=984812522 What is this?Vandalism!I swear you will not encounter such a thing in another article (exclude those that are not about Azerbaijan)I think it would be better if the conflicting peoples could not change each other's articles. (Most articles about Azerbaijan are biased by Armenians, this is a fact, sir).This is just my opinion, thank you.🙂 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaxoul (talk • contribs) 20:24, 3 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-03T20:24:00.000Z","author":"Blaxoul","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blaxoul-2020-11-03T20:24:00.000Z-Thanks_sir","replies":["c-ColinFine-2020-11-03T20:51:00.000Z-Blaxoul-2020-11-03T20:24:00.000Z","c-Blaxoul-2020-11-04T17:39:00.000Z-Blaxoul-2020-11-03T20:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello, Blaxoul. You are wrong: this kind of thing happens wherever there are articles about contentious issues: Kashmir, Palestine, Eastern Ukraine, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Trump, Brexit, ISIS, Climate science, Vaccination, Homeopathy. It is a fact of life. Individual editors who persistently break Wikipedia's policies get banned or blocked. But as long as there is conflict in the world, people will bring it into anywhere they can, nespecially on the web. And those who are partisan often see any attempt to be neutral as siding against them: they are wrong.

On some of these areas, I have strong views myself, but I endeavour not to let them into my Wikipedia editing. On others I do not have enough knowledge to favour one view or another. I make no difference between Armenians pushing Armenian views and Azeris pushing Azerbaijani views: if I see them break Wikipedia policies, I will revert or alter.

If you see partisan editing, I encourage you to raise it on the talk page of the article, arguing from Wikipedia's policies, not from your own feelings or beliefs. I removed the word "propaganda" not because I agree or disagree with it, but because it was not ascribed to a reliably indepedent source, and so broke Wikipedia's policy on WP:NPOV. --ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-03T20:51:00.000Z","author":"ColinFine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-2020-11-03T20:51:00.000Z-Blaxoul-2020-11-03T20:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Sit crooked but talk straight,you can't see any Azerbaijanis pushing their interests here at at all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaxoul (talk • contribs) 17:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-04T17:39:00.000Z","author":"Blaxoul","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Blaxoul-2020-11-04T17:39:00.000Z-Blaxoul-2020-11-03T20:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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A barnstar for you!

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	The Barnstar of Diligence
	You're always on the Teahouse and Help Desk helping the newcomers, and it should be recognized. Thanks for your work! Le Panini ^Talk 11:48, 17 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-17T11:48:00.000Z","author":"Le Panini","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Le_Panini-2020-11-17T11:48:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

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Some baklava for you!

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Balloon and paralympics. JorgeGiu1990 (talk) 20:38, 19 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z","author":"JorgeGiu1990","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JorgeGiu1990-2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z-Some_baklava_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

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WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - December 2020

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My computer

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ColinFine - I moved the content below from the top of your Talk page to the bottom, and instructed Sceintrep on how to correctly make new comments on editors' Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 16:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-10T16:12:00.000Z","author":"David notMD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-David_notMD-2020-12-10T16:12:00.000Z-My_computer","replies":[]}}-->

My computer does not have the tildes. What to do?

Thanks for those descriptions on profile vs article. I can remedy that and will provide references, which I now understand as part of the problem. I will do as suggested and view other articles to better understand the Wiki structure. If I may add, I need to get used to how these pages are structured. Never sure where to respond to messages as there's so much information and response pages are not what I'm used to seeing. Thank you for your patience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scientrep (talk • contribs) 15:31, 10 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-10T15:31:00.000Z","author":"Scientrep","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Scientrep-2020-12-10T15:31:00.000Z-My_computer","replies":["c-ColinFine-2020-12-10T17:10:00.000Z-Scientrep-2020-12-10T15:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello, Scientrep. Replying to me here is fine (thanks to David notMD for moving your post to a section at the bottom), but generally it's best to keep all the discussion in one place.

I'm surprised you haven't got a tilde: what keyboard are you using? If it's a CSA keyboard, the tilde appears to be an extra character on the Ç key: I think it needs the Control key with it, if I understand http://www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ressources/ti/clavier.html correctly. If you have a US keyboard, it is top left next to the '1'. --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-10T17:10:00.000Z","author":"ColinFine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-2020-12-10T17:10:00.000Z-Scientrep-2020-12-10T15:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Do we know each other?

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I happen to know a Colin Fine. Not sure if you are him. He was very up with Lojban/Loglan and science fiction fandom, and could recite passages from the Finnish National epic Kalevala from memory. Are you infact him? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 09:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-07T09:30:00.000Z","author":"Cimon Avaro","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T09:30:00.000Z-Do_we_know_each_other?","replies":["c-ColinFine-2020-12-07T14:11:00.000Z-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T09:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick."}}-->

Coi Cimon Avaro, .ia mi jbopre Where would we have met? --ColinFine (talk) 14:11, 7 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-07T14:11:00.000Z","author":"ColinFine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ColinFine-2020-12-07T14:11:00.000Z-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T09:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T14:57:00.000Z-ColinFine-2020-12-07T14:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

At an Eastercon I think. You recited lines of the poem of Kullervo, I think. My real name is Jussi-Ville Heiskanen. Don't mind doxing myself as it is public knowledge anyway. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-07T14:57:00.000Z","author":"Cimon Avaro","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T14:57:00.000Z-ColinFine-2020-12-07T14:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-ColinFine-2020-12-07T16:47:00.000Z-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T14:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick."}}-->

Hyyvää päivää. Kullervo Kalervon poika / Tempäsi terävän miekän / Kysyi mieltä miekältänsä / Tokko tuon tekisi mieli. That's all I can think of for now. That must have been a long time ago. --ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 7 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-07T16:47:00.000Z","author":"ColinFine","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ColinFine-2020-12-07T16:47:00.000Z-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T14:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T17:00:00.000Z-ColinFine-2020-12-07T16:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

I can't give you the lines from the poem, but I do recall the sword was quite willing. Lol. Perhaps too willing. I would rather wait and see if I can still mend ways with my dad who is still alive. I haven't killed my dad. So far. lol. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 17:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-07T17:00:00.000Z","author":"Cimon Avaro","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T17:00:00.000Z-ColinFine-2020-12-07T16:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-ColinFine-2020-12-10T17:16:00.000Z-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T17:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick."}}-->

Cimon Avaro: Miekka mietti miehen mielen/ Arvasi uron pakinan/ Vastasi sanalla tuolla: / "Miks' en söisi miellelläni / Söisi syylistä lihoa / Viallista verta joisi? / Syön lihoa syyttömänki / Verta juon viattomanki". (from memory). I love the line "Miekka mietti miehen mielen". --ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 10 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-10T17:16:00.000Z","author":"ColinFine","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ColinFine-2020-12-10T17:16:00.000Z-Cimon_Avaro-2020-12-07T17:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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My Bad...

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Hello Colin...it was my mistake. I did not see the ~ on the far right on my key board. DavidNotMD pointed it out for me. He also showed me how to communicate, as he mentioned in another thread. I really had no clue how to reach out before that, so I thought 'talk' was the right button and used that. Now I know. Now just have to get used to using the tildes - even that is a new word for me. Scientrep (talk) 14:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-11T14:07:00.000Z","author":"Scientrep","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Scientrep-2020-12-11T14:07:00.000Z-My_Bad...","replies":[]}}-->

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Happy holidays

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This year, many people had COVID to fear,
The holidays are getting near,
One thing that will be clear,
We will still have holiday cheer,
Happy holidays and happy new year!!
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