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so if you can tell me about what's wrong i am a kid i am still 9 year old and name was tlaking pls i need post a page it school home work if not i will fail pls sir Darma 2012 (talk) 15:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231222153800","author":"Darma 2012","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Darma_2012-20231222153800-pubudu_gamage_at_User:Darma_2012\/sandbox","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231222155800-Darma_2012-20231222153800"]}}-->

Hi @Darma 2012: you need sources to write an article on Wikipedia. Do you have secondary, reliable and independent sources of information that discuss the subject of the article? They are required for any biographies. The article in your sandbox doesn't have any sources. Check out Help:Referencing for beginners. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 15:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231222155800","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231222155800-Darma_2012-20231222153800","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks @Robertsky, happy holidays to you as well, and I hope your new year brings you joy, success, and creative fulfillment! Kindly, microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 16:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231227165000","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231227165000-Robertsky-20231225065000","replies":[]}}-->

I think I have the redirect page fixed now. Have a look. I was too fast on my cell phone with the template.--Akrasia25 (talk) 19:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231227195400","author":"Akrasia25","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Akrasia25-20231227195400-Speedy_delete_on_Vittorio_Arigoni","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231227195900-Akrasia25-20231227195400"]}}-->

Another editor placed the proper redirect. [1] Redirects are created with #REDIRECT [[Page name]]. Thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 19:59, 27 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231227195900","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231227195900-Akrasia25-20231227195400","replies":[]}}-->

Sir how can I become an admin in Wikipedia.Some Indian users are today creating some fake battles without any source.They are giving wrong page no. And creating fake battles. This may affect the educational purpose of Indian subcontinent and maybe of world history. Please Kindly guide me how can I become an admin so that I will be able to block this type of users.Thanks!! Kemilliogolgi (talk) 02:05, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229020500","author":"Kemilliogolgi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kemilliogolgi-20231229020500-Request_for_adminship","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231229020600-Kemilliogolgi-20231229020500"]}}-->

See WP:Requests for adminship. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 02:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229020600","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231229020600-Kemilliogolgi-20231229020500","replies":["c-Kemilliogolgi-20231229023400-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231229020600"]}}-->

Sir I don't know how to apply for a request for adminship, please tell me step by step 🥺 please Kemilliogolgi (talk) 02:34, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229023400","author":"Kemilliogolgi","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kemilliogolgi-20231229023400-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231229020600","replies":[]}}-->

what part is getting declined? do i need to remove the author part to get it accepted? the rest is pretty obvious that its notable Vvsmart100 (talk) 07:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229072100","author":"Vvsmart100","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vvsmart100-20231229072100-Draft:Keith_Simpson","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231229151800-Vvsmart100-20231229072100"]}}-->

@Vvsmart100: have a look at WP:BLP for guidance on what is required (inline citations) for biographies of living persons. If you need further help, see WP:REFB for guidance on properly referencing content for Wikipedia. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 15:18, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229151800","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231229151800-Vvsmart100-20231229072100","replies":[]}}-->

You declined my submission on the basis of notability. However, according to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/Reference_resources, the existence of the Mathworld page, supplemented by the other sources, should be sufficient to qualify the article as encyclopaedic. Do I need to find more sources to further verify notability?

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@MtPenguinMonster: on a second look, yeah I'll agree notability can be argued here. I'll admit I failed to realize some of the references were university instructional material, I had taken it all for primary research. Consider it fixed. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 16:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229162200","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231229162200-MtPenguinMonster-20231229041200","replies":[]}}-->

Hi - I've done some edits on this draft by another user which was rejected for being promotional in tone. Let me know (a) if this is an improvement, and (b) if anything more needs to be done before the article can be created. I think this individual's work is notable, covered in academic journals, and would like to see an article on him regardless of current YouTuber drama. GnocchiFan (talk) 16:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231230160300","author":"GnocchiFan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GnocchiFan-20231230160300-Draft:Sean_Griffin","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231230170700-GnocchiFan-20231230160300"]}}-->

Hey @GnocchiFan: you've probably already seen it, but I did some cleanup work and then acceptabed. Just a heads up for future work, remember to always try to mainain a WP:NPOV. I changed stole to accused of plagiarising in regards to the current YouTube drama. I'm not familiar with what has been going on, but browsing the linked pages, I think it’s safe to say that there are some NPOV concerns on those pages as well. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 17:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231230170700","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20231230170700-GnocchiFan-20231230160300","replies":[]}}-->

Hello,I have a question, I have created my draft and submitted it for review but it's taking too much time to get reviewed. What can I do for faster review ??

? Kemilliogolgi (talk) 10:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102102000","author":"Kemilliogolgi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kemilliogolgi-20240102102000-Review_question","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102175000-Kemilliogolgi-20240102102000"]}}-->

@Kemilliogolgi: at the time of my response, the notification on the draft submission template reads This may take 2–3 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 553 pending submissions waiting for review. Please be patient while reviewers get around to your submission. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 17:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102175000","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102175000-Kemilliogolgi-20240102102000","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, thank you for the feedback. I have added some information to the Citations and I would like to know if they are good now. Are there any other issues with the draft? Happy new Year, JohnnyDoobydoo (talk) 11:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102111800","author":"JohnnyDoobydoo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohnnyDoobydoo-20240102111800-Draft:IRR_Transversal_Line","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102175600-JohnnyDoobydoo-20240102111800"]}}-->

Happy New Year @JohnnyDoobydoo! A quick cursory glance looks like the references have been properly formatted—good job, that will significantly assist in the next reviewer in being better able to assess the notability and quality of the draft. I don't have time at the moment, but should the draft still be unreviewed by the time I get around to reviewing drafts next, I will start with yours. Cheers, microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 17:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102175600","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102175600-JohnnyDoobydoo-20240102111800","replies":[]}}-->

Hello,

Thank you for your speedy review. Can you give me an example of things that made you think it's an essay ?

I'm new and trying to contribute with both sides of view and unfortunately comments are always broad. I would really appreciate something specific.

Thank you in advance and Happy New Year ! yasszz 20:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231230203400","author":"Yasszz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yasszz-20231230203400-Draft:Regulation_of_ESG_rating_in_the_European_Union","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102174700-Yasszz-20231230203400"]}}-->

Hi @Yasszz: you seem to have done a major rewrite since this message so I will gloss over some of the things already addressed. Your use of transition words, while not an ineffective form of writing, appeared to be excessive: you had a section that started three consecutive paragraphs indeed, notably, and Recognizing these challenges, the final paragraph of which contained no citations. Taken together, these two factors combined appeared to be significant WP:OR problems. The Excel graph that existed in the article was not clear and was not used to supplement the text and aid in reader understanding, but instead was referenced directly in the text as a form of an argument. Again, either WP:OR or essay concerns.

In general, Wikipedia wants to stick to presenting the facts and narratives already established by independent reliable and secondary sources, not create those facts and narratives themselves.

Moving forward, I see that the article has been created in mainspace with the above issues still present, and there is a merge template? What is your plan for addressing the issues? microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 17:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102174700","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102174700-Yasszz-20231230203400","replies":["c-Yasszz-20240102183200-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102174700"]}}-->

hello @MicrobiologyMarcus

Yes I completely understood your concerns of wiki non-compliance and worked on it to make the article as straightforward and keep it accurate as it is now possible. As a beginner on this encyclopedia, my essayish writing took the best of me as some users told haha

I wish the article in the main space is erased awaiting for an approving review on the draft. Only then, I hope to move the draft on the main space. Unfortunately, Idk how to do it myself :( and only now realized it created quite a mess, which I'm sorry about I was misguided by some tutorials. yasszz 18:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102183200","author":"Yasszz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Yasszz-20240102183200-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102174700","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102183800-Yasszz-20240102183200"]}}-->

@Yasszz: consider placing the template {{db-g7}} on the top of the page to allow the mainspace one to be deleted. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 18:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102183800","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240102183800-Yasszz-20240102183200","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Marcus, i appreciate your feedback and the insights given to better create the page noted above. I have done a quick review of the Draft SGFC Athletics and modify most of the references. All the BARE sources have been deleted and dead citation is removed for relevant ones. i have used reliable sourced references and citations in my edits for the Drafts. I would like you to please review it one more time for accuracy to know if there are other issues to be added or edited. i have submitted it again today the 2nd January 2024 for review. Thank you for your time. Lakestein (talk) 03:30, 3 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240103033000","author":"Lakestein","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lakestein-20240103033000-Draft:SGFC_Athletics_Sport_Club","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240103162400-Lakestein-20240103033000"]}}-->

@Lakestein: take a look at how the templates can be fully used by including the date of publication, the work, and the author's name. I've cleaned up up the first 6 references on the draft for you. As laid out in WP:REFB at § RefToolbar, this can be done quite easily with the popup window. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 16:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240103162400","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240103162400-Lakestein-20240103033000","replies":["c-Lakestein-20240109224500-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240103162400"]}}-->

Marcus,

i appreciate your lead efforts. your corrections gave me a lot of insights. the citation used will through better light for other reviewer to place a good opinion on notability of the references used. i have done the needful on the templates and articles in question. i am waiting to see if there is more to be done or this will be it for better article creation on the subject matter.

Well done! Thank you so much for your guidance. Lakestein (talk) 22:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240109224500","author":"Lakestein","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Lakestein-20240109224500-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240103162400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, can you please give me a couple of examples of what is not written in an encyclopedic format so I can address the issue? Everything I included is taken directly from the source material and I do not understand how it can be written any more objectively or dryly. I will remove the links in the headings. 2603:8000:753F:71F7:9977:FF64:5323:641B (talk) 20:43, 23 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240123204300","author":"2603:8000:753F:71F7:9977:FF64:5323:641B","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2603:8000:753F:71F7:9977:FF64:5323:641B-20240123204300-Draft:Jeffrey_D._Goldman","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240123213600-2603:8000:753F:71F7:9977:FF64:5323:641B-20240123204300"]}}-->

Hi @2603:8000:753F:71F7:9977:FF64:5323:641B: the article expands on a lot of content in a puffery manner. Each section expands on a case or fact that isn't relevent to the subject of the article. Take, for example § Demonoid Phenomenon (Rob Zombie) case, where Goldman represented recording artist Rob Zombie, who sued automaker Mazda and its advertising agency for the unlawful use of his song, Demonoid Phenomenon, from his album Hellbilly Deluxe, in a truck commercial. cites to a source that includes the subject of the article, Goldman, in the source. The section continues The case settled in 2002. Zombie stated that he brought the case to preserve his musical integrity and credibility with his fans. "I don't want to play that song live and see the kids go, 'Hey, it's that truck song!' Corporate America doesn't understand that some people actually have values about things." That's okay: it adds context but doesn't really focus on the subject of the article.

Let's examine § In Da Club (50 Cent) case. Goldman was retained to defend 50 Cent in a suit for copyright infringement in a suit alleging that the phrase "Hey shorty, it's your birthday" in his #1 hit In Da Club did not infringe the 2 Live Crew song It's Your Birthday owned by the plaintiff.^[1] This would require a {{failed verification}} tag as Goldman is not mentioned in the source. The section continues In 2007, Goldman obtained summary judgment for 50 Cent,^[2] (primary source, not eligible for establishing notability) the court finding that the phrase "Hey ___, it's your birthday" was not original to the 2 Live Crew song.^[3], where again Goldman is not mentioned in the source.

The same thing occurs in § Mixtapes, § Counterfeit CDs and tapes, and especially § Myxer ringtone case; and at this point, most reviewers have given up.

Each of these instances alone might provide context, but when the entire biography is instead founded around paragraphs of promotional content and does not instead focus on the subject of the biography with WP:reliable and WP:secondary sources, it does not assist in demonstrating WP:notability and does not adheare to an overall WP:NPOV.

The biography would be better suited to one or two good sources showing that the subject participated in the trial, and in some instances may benefit from context, as opposed to an entirely promotional piece. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 21:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240123213600","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240123213600-2603:8000:753F:71F7:9977:FF64:5323:641B-20240123204300","replies":[]}}-->

From when Paying tribute have became inconclusive !? Kasra hp81 (talk) 21:39, 29 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240129213900","author":"Kasra hp81","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kasra_hp81-20240129213900-Iberian_war","replies":[]}}-->

Kindly you moved User:Fjnovoa/Ricardo Armando Novoa Arciniegas to Draft:Ricardo Arciniegas. Could you please rename the new title as Draft:Ricardo Armando Novoa Arciniegas, which is the complete name of the subject. Thank you in advance. Fjnovoa (talk) 22:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240131223100","author":"Fjnovoa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fjnovoa-20240131223100-User:Fjnovoa\/Ricardo_Armando_Novoa_Arciniegas","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240201145400-Fjnovoa-20240131223100"]}}-->

@Fjnovoa:  Done. Thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 14:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240201145400","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240201145400-Fjnovoa-20240131223100","replies":[]}}-->

could you explain why did the session of the progressive list of 3p% in the article of List of National Basketball Association career 3-point field goal percentage leaders violate the WP:SYNTH? 爨龘龘 (talk) 13:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240129132300","author":"\u7228\u9f98\u9f98","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240129132300-WP:SYNTH","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240129171800-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240129132300"]}}-->

@爨龘龘: I don't see where the list was published independently (WP:NLIST), or the sources for each time the record changed. Instead, the section cited to one category record^[1] and as far as I can tell, the editor who wrote the section simply tracked changes throughout the years and added them to a table, therefore original research. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 17:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240129171800","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240129171800-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240129132300","replies":["c-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240129221500-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240129171800"]}}-->

@MicrobiologyMarcus But there is another reference in the season which is above the list.^[2] 爨龘龘 (talk) 22:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240129221500","author":"\u7228\u9f98\u9f98","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240129221500-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240129171800","replies":["c-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240204081400-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240129221500"]}}-->

@MicrobiologyMarcus So it is not an original research? 爨龘龘 (talk) 08:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240204081400","author":"\u7228\u9f98\u9f98","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240204081400-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240129221500","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240204211100-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240204081400"]}}-->

I disagree with the layout of the inline citation there but yes, feel free to revert. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 21:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240204211100","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240204211100-\u7228\u9f98\u9f98-20240204081400","replies":[]}}-->

Hello User:MicrobiologyMarcus,

I am writing to request the undeletion of the Wikipedia page titled "Baltic Chemistry Olympiad" which was deleted on [14.12.2023] for the second time. It is not funny that some wiki-enthusiasts decide that BChO is a minor event. You are obviously unaware of the history and traditions of scientific olympiads. Let me explain that there are only four international chemistry olympiads with a significant history: International (since 1968), Mendeleev (since 1992), Ibero-American (since 1996), and Baltic (since 1993). Most importantly, the problems of the Baltic Chemistry Olympiad are in English. Most of them are publicly available, and I am currently working on digitalizing the rest of them. Thus, not only is it a regionally important event, but it is also a significant source of problems for the whole Olympiad community.

I have thoroughly reviewed the deletion policy and believe that the page meets the criteria for inclusion based on the reasons mentioned above. I have also ensured that the content adheres to Wikipedia's standards of verifiability, neutrality, and notability.

I kindly ask for your consideration in reviewing the circumstances of the deletion and considering the new information provided in this request. I am open to feedback and willing to collaborate to address any concerns. For more details, please get in touch with me directly.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best regards, Olunet (talk) 20:10, 3 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240203201000","author":"Olunet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Olunet-20240203201000-Request_for_Undeletion_of_Baltic_Chemistry_Olympiad_Page","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240204212300-Olunet-20240203201000"]}}-->

Hi @Olunet: the article was deleted following the consensus discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baltic Chemistry Olympiad which ran from 30 November to 14 December, where it was found to be not notable in part due to it's lack of inline citations.

I am not able to reverse the deletion. You are welcome to request the deletion be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review or request that the deleting administrator place a copy in your sandbox or draft space such that you can continue to work on it, but keep in mind, if the article is not improved to meet article guidelines it will be summarily deleted again (WP:G4).

Kindly, microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 21:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240204212300","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240204212300-Olunet-20240203201000","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Marcus,

Wonder if you can offer advice because I'm struggling here...although I think I am getting closer to having it accepted.

My article has been declined by you, first, because of referencing - I've now put in many references - and, currently, because of 'Missing or Empty title'.

Two questions:

1. Does 'Missing or Empty titles' refer to the actual headline of the source material, for example, a newspaper headline?

2. Assuming the 'Missing or Empty titles' does indeed refer to the actual headline of the source material, into which box do I put the headline when the pop-up window 'Web Citation (RefToolbar)' appears?

Thanks for your invaluable help.

Ross EdinburghRoss (talk) 12:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240202121400","author":"EdinburghRoss","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdinburghRoss-20240202121400-Draft:Ross_Smith","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240202171300-EdinburghRoss-20240202121400","c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240202181800-EdinburghRoss-20240202121400"]}}-->

Note: the above pages were swapped to place the former unsourced Draft:Ross Smith to User:EdinburghRoss/sandbox and the draft at User:EdinburghRoss to Draft:Ross Smith. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 17:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240202171300","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240202171300-EdinburghRoss-20240202121400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi @EdinburghRoss: couple questions, but I'd be glad to help you in bringing the article up to mainspace standards.

1. I hope you don't mind my asking, but I need to based on the topic of the draft and your user name: Are you Ross Smith?
   • If you are, that's fine. There is an essay you should consider titled An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and you'll also need to review the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest rules. You'll need to make a declaration on your user page. You can replace the redirect that is currently there with {{Template:User COI|Ross Smith}}. You are correctly following the rules by submitting the article through the AfC process.
2. Have you reviewed Help:Referencing for beginners? There's a helpful video there, File:RefTools rework.ogv. You can see that when you open up the reference toolbar, you can enter the author's name, the name of the article, the url, the website name and other fields.
   • Take, for example, the current first reference on the draft article: thejohnfleming.wordpress.com/2021/12/06/ross-smith-on-his-book-about-the-reality-of-working-in-the-creative-industries/. This would be formatted as: <ref name="Fleming 2021">{{cite web |last1=Fleming |first1=John |title=Ross smith on his book about the reality of working in the creative industries |url=https://thejohnfleming.wordpress.com/2021/12/06/ross-smith-on-his-book-about-the-reality-of-working-in-the-creative-industries/ |website=SO IT GOES — John Fleming's Blog |access-date=2 February 2024 |date=6 December 2021}}</ref> which would produce this^[1] inline citation and the appropriate reference at the bottom of the page.
3. Have you ensured that the content of what you're citing actually backs up what you're writing? Take, for example, the draft statement Cinema 2^[2] (BBC Radio 2) was a weekly magazine show. Smith contributed to 51 episodes, including interviews with Keanu Reeves, John Lithgow, Thelma Schoonmaker, Michael Winner, Terence Stamp, Mickey Rourke]and Martin Sheen. The only citation you have in that section is to the page for the show, but nowhere can I find Ross Smith on that page. This would require a {{citation needed}} inline tag and makes it look like your writing Puffery. Ensure that your subject passes WP:NOTABILITY and is discusses in the sources that you're using.

Let me know if you have any further questions, I'd be happy to help. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 18:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC) microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 18:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240202181800","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240202181800-EdinburghRoss-20240202121400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Marcus,

Thanks as ever for your conscientiousness and speed of reply. I am indeed Ross Smith, the subject of the article. I'd like, if I may, to provide feedback on my experience of uploading. It's definitely nothing personal, you are great.

Alas, I have to give up on this page. I cannot work out Wikipedia's methodology for uploading a new entry. It's ironic, actually, because the beauty of Wikipedia, as a user multiple times a day, is that it is crystal clear. You get the information you want in a heartbeat. Compare and contrast, for example, with the cluttered layout of IMDb, drowning in adverts etc. However, my experience of attempting to upload a simple biography is akin to - I dunno - computer programming in 1987. It isn't intuitive, it's unfathomable. (And I'm a very intelligent, career-orientated person with initiative).

I wonder: does Wikipedia have a team who might be able to upload the page on my behalf, albeit editing whatever they wish? Although everything in the entry is true, I respect and appreciate the fact that things must be cited and referenced properly and, to that end, if certain parts of the page didn't meet the correct criteria, I would have no problem with the relevant text being removed. I would also be happy to liaise, if required, with the editor should they need certain points clarified.

It's frustrating - very frustrating - that I am unable to upload this page; I've seen hundreds of other pages devoted to others with far fewer credits than myself. Being so near, yet so far, to completing the entry, I wonder if there is a way round this problem?

Best wishes,

Ross EdinburghRoss (talk) 11:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240203112300","author":"EdinburghRoss","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdinburghRoss-20240203112300-On_verge_of_giving_up","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240203130000-EdinburghRoss-20240203112300","c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240205170300-EdinburghRoss-20240203112300"]}}-->

Note: The above messaage has been grouped with the earlier message of the same topic. To reply to messages, you can click the reply button. For more help, see Help:Talk pages. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 13:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240203130000","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240203130000-EdinburghRoss-20240203112300","replies":[]}}-->

Hi @EdinburghRoss: sorry to hear about your frustration with writing your autobiography on Wikipedia but we have some general advice about why it is hard to do and generally not a good idea. Review WP:Autobiography. Since your last comment here, the draft article's sources have been improved by another editor, you can see the correct templates for the sources in the article now, and how that results in proper citation style in the references section.

In general, Wikipedia's content policies and particular style of syntax can make it hard for newcomers to adapt to the writing style and creating your first article about yourself will naturally result in very steep learning curve as you try to follow the WP:Verifiability and WP:COI rules. Again, I'd stress to review the WP:Autobiography guideline for more information, more than I can put here.

Yes, while your peers may have articles and you may feel that your work should entitle you to an article here, those pages have been created because other volunteers have created the articles about them. There is no group on the project were you can ask someone to write an article for you. Keep in mind that other articles which do not meet our content policies may be deleted via our deletion consensus forum at WP:AfD (see also WP:Other stuff exists).

Per the guidance at WP:AUTO, you are more than welcome to continue to contribute to the draft about yourself in the draft space but keep in mind that once accepted and moved to the main article space, you can only request changes on the articles talk page (see WP:Edit requests).

You should also ensure, per my advice above at point 3, that the content you are citing backs up the claims made in the article. This will ensure both verifiability (as previously mentioned) and notability, the other major hurdle that articles must demonstrate to remain on the project. Remember that Wikipedia is not originator of information, but the documenter, we only collect information otherwise published.

If you are looking for more specific help as you write your autobiography, I would suggest the WP:Teahouse, our in house "help desk" where volunteers are happy to provide more specific advice in a timely manner, it is more closely watched.

Note that I've also gone ahead and placed a {{User COI}} tag on your user page with the edit summary pointing to the message you left here. If the draft article is moved to mainspace, it will need a disambiguator (i.e.: Ross Smith (author)) and then your COI declaration on your user page will need to be updated.

To your final point, there is no way "round" this problem. While the project does it's best to monitor for vandalism and some may slip through, you will find that there is groups of volunteers who perform different tasks. The WP:NPP is a group of editors who review new pages to ensure that no spam is being added to the project. It's best to follow the guidelines because repeated efforts to circumvent them often have the reverse effect and annoy reviewers (see the essay And the band played on...).

It's best to take your time (WP:DEADLINE) and ensure that the article meets proper content policies, remember the article can only get better (WP:DEGRADE).

Thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 17:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240205170300","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240205170300-EdinburghRoss-20240203112300","replies":[]}}-->

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Creation of articles without sources, not acknowledging user talk page discussions Shazback (talk) 23:30, 2 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240202233000","author":"Shazback","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shazback-20240202233000-Administrators'_noticeboard\/Incidents_-_Creation_of_articles_without_sources,_no","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240203012700-Shazback-20240202233000","c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240206200400-Shazback-20240202233000"]}}-->

@Shazback: Thanks for starting this, appreciate the heads up!! microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 01:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240203012700","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240203012700-Shazback-20240202233000","replies":[]}}-->

Note: now archived at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1148#Creation of articles without sources, not acknowledging user talk page discussions. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 20:04, 6 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240206200400","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240206200400-Shazback-20240202233000","replies":[]}}-->

I kindly request your guidance regarding the main problems related to this draft so that I may improve it. I am unable to identify the mistakes in this article; please guide me on how the draft does not adhere to a neutral point of view. I made an effort to avoid citing any sources from before 1947 and have removed the one source that was from before that time. All the remaining sources are reliable and thoroughly explain the topic of the draft. Despite this, the draft was rejected. Please advise me on how to improve the grammar and any mistakes I may have made in this article. Thank you.

I kindly request to re cheak the all the sources cited in my draft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jahangir%27s_Mewar_campaign Kemilliogolgi (talk) 09:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240209094900","author":"Kemilliogolgi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kemilliogolgi-20240209094900-Doubts_related_to_my_draft","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240209121200-Kemilliogolgi-20240209094900"]}}-->

Hi @Kemilliogolgi: have you not seen the message I left on your talk page at User talk:Kemilliogolgi#Regularly moving draft articles not ready for mainspace? microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 12:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240209121200","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240209121200-Kemilliogolgi-20240209094900","replies":[]}}-->

Good day Marcus, I left a message on the article talk page requesting for your assistance on the page regarding the inline citation correction. I need an example demonstration on the article if possible just one example and I learn to kick off from there as I have read more about the inline citation and footnote but still don’t understand it fully. Meligirl5 (talk) 10:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240207104900","author":"Meligirl5","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Meligirl5-20240207104900-Draft:Ebony_Goddess_Mystique","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240207204100-Meligirl5-20240207104900"]}}-->

I have read the above message. I will reply when I have a moment. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 20:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240207204100","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240207204100-Meligirl5-20240207104900","replies":["c-Meligirl5-20240209151000-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240207204100"]}}-->

Good day Marcus, I’m still yet to hear from you regarding my assistance. Thanks. Meligirl5 (talk) 15:10, 9 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240209151000","author":"Meligirl5","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Meligirl5-20240209151000-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240207204100","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240209191200-Meligirl5-20240209151000"]}}-->

@Meligirl5 the article is missing references in the awards and nominations section. It is also good practice when using the real name of an adult film actor to give a citation immediately following the "outting" to where they have otherwise been prominently identified using their real name. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 19:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240209191200","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240209191200-Meligirl5-20240209151000","replies":["c-Meligirl5-20240211004200-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240209191200","c-Meligirl5-20240211193800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240209191200"]}}-->

Your explanation is not still clear to me. First of all you said the article is missing references in the award and nomination section which have already done some changes after the first decline which was because of that. What other reference are your complaints in the award section to be specific?. If a subject is nominated under 2 category for 1 award. And she won 1 category out of the 2 categories and theirs a reference from a reliable source to the particular award. Does she needs multiple references to proof one reliable source to the award is not enough?

Secondly, regarding your statement “It is also good practice when using the real name of an adult film actor to give a citation immediately following the "outting" to where they have otherwise been prominently identified using their real name.” I have asked for a sample by demonstrating your explanation on the draft article so I can learn from there but I haven’t seen your contribution. I guess you might have been busy. Meligirl5 (talk) 00:42, 11 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240211004200","author":"Meligirl5","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Meligirl5-20240211004200-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240209191200","replies":[]}}-->

Good day Marcus, someone made some contribution to the article who is not a registered user. Wanted to ask was that you? And is there any need to revert the changes? Meligirl5 (talk) 19:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240211193800","author":"Meligirl5","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Meligirl5-20240211193800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240209191200","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212140300-Meligirl5-20240211193800"]}}-->

@Meligirl5 yes, the citation needed tags will need to be addressed before the article would be able to be accepted. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 14:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240212140300","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212140300-Meligirl5-20240211193800","replies":[]}}-->

Hi !

I saw you delcined my draft I understand its because of sources but could you please give me a specifix example ? Would really help :)

Thanks so much MarisolMagdelenat (talk) 15:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240212154800","author":"MarisolMagdelenat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MarisolMagdelenat-20240212154800-Help_with_my_sources","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212155000-MarisolMagdelenat-20240212154800"]}}-->

Hi @MarisolMagdelenat: what draft is this in reference to? You have not included a link and your contributions (Special:Contributions/MarisolMagdelenat) say that this has been your only edit. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 15:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240212155000","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212155000-MarisolMagdelenat-20240212154800","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! As per your advice and after going through a number of well versed articles and guidelines, I have edited the article further. Could you please check if its inline to the wiki policies? Thanks a lot for your support and assistance. Ritabrata88 (talk) 18:12, 8 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240208181200","author":"Ritabrata88","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ritabrata88-20240208181200-Draft:Classic_Drivers_Club","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240208183700-Ritabrata88-20240208181200"]}}-->

I have read the above message. I will reply when I have a moment. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 18:37, 8 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240208183700","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240208183700-Ritabrata88-20240208181200","replies":["c-Ritabrata88-20240212084500-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240208183700"]}}-->

Hi Marcus, could you please check and revert on the status.

Best Regards, @Ritabrata88 Ritabrata88 (talk) 08:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240212084500","author":"Ritabrata88","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ritabrata88-20240212084500-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240208183700","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212141900-Ritabrata88-20240212084500"]}}-->

Hi @Ritabrata88, the article appears to be promotional, it looks like you have a conflict of interest, you are using sources (i.e. Times of India) that have been determined by the community to not be reliable, you have large unaddressed problems with the article itself and you don't appear to take reviewer feedback between different resubmissions. Further, since my rejection, another editor has also endorsed my opinion that the article is promotional even following a re-write. At this time, I don't feel it necessary to revert my rejection of the submission. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 14:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240212141900","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212141900-Ritabrata88-20240212084500","replies":["c-Ritabrata88-20240212145400-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212141900"]}}-->

Hi @MicrobiologyMarcus,

Thank you for your detailed feedback. I tried my best to consider each and every feedback but I aint a pro at this. I wouldn't say that this is frustrating for me but I'll rather seek your help. Since you mentioned the article being promotional, how do I overcome this? CDC is indeed a notable organization and I have just tried to mention the activities without using puffery to the extent possible. Further, you also mentioned COI, how do I overcome this? I'll be extremely grateful if you could assist me in this. Thanks a lot once again!

Regards, @Ritabrata88 Ritabrata88 (talk) 14:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240212145400","author":"Ritabrata88","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ritabrata88-20240212145400-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212141900","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212152700-Ritabrata88-20240212145400"]}}-->

I was about to go through the citations line by line, as you can see I've added a {{failed verification}} tag to one of your sources (not a good look for puffery), but as far as I can tell, everything about this organization's coverage is just either primary sources or news coverage of small events that appear to be promotional. Another issue I take with the article is the frequent blue link piping of The Telegraph (India) to The Telegraph.

I don't believe this organization to be notable at this time given the existing sources.

I won't be able to assist you writing the article any further. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 15:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240212152700","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212152700-Ritabrata88-20240212145400","replies":["c-Ritabrata88-20240212160100-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212152700"]}}-->

Thanks @MicrobiologyMarcus once again, let me work on these.

Best Regards,

@Ritabrata88 Ritabrata88 (talk) 16:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240212160100","author":"Ritabrata88","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ritabrata88-20240212160100-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240212152700","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I'm User: BurningBlaze05 to creator of Draft:Louis Sharp. You've seen to declined my article due to 'non reliable sources'. I have submitted various other articles without issue, and I think that my sources are credible enough. What are ways that you suggest that I can improve this article?

Thanks for taking your time out the read this message! :) BurningBlaze05 (talk) 16:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240220162900","author":"BurningBlaze05","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BurningBlaze05-20240220162900-Reliable_sources?","replies":["c-BurningBlaze05-20240220163200-BurningBlaze05-20240220162900"]}}-->

To add:The page itself is also well detailed and displays little to none grammatical issues. (I'm 16yo female and have learning difficulties, so I apologise if I've done something wrong with my draft pages) BurningBlaze05 (talk) 16:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240220163200","author":"BurningBlaze05","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BurningBlaze05-20240220163200-BurningBlaze05-20240220162900","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220203100-BurningBlaze05-20240220163200"]}}-->

Hi @BurningBlaze05: is it typical to not have any citations in sports records? Lewis Hamilton shows the citations at the bottom of the tables. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 20:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240220203100","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220203100-BurningBlaze05-20240220163200","replies":["c-BurningBlaze05-20240220204900-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220203100"]}}-->

Sorry but I don't understand what you mean by that BurningBlaze05 (talk) 20:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240220204900","author":"BurningBlaze05","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BurningBlaze05-20240220204900-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220203100","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220205500-BurningBlaze05-20240220204900"]}}-->

@BurningBlaze05: the tables in sections Draft:Louis Sharp § Karting career summary, § Racing career summary, and § Complete F4 British Championship results are uncited. I went to another athlete's page (Lewis Hamilton) to see what the standard is for using citations on these tables and saw that in tables, the citations are at the bottom row (see Lewis Hamilton § Karting career summary). It is my understanding of WP:V that this is an acceptable version of inline citations for information presented and would be required on the draft article. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 20:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240220205500","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220205500-BurningBlaze05-20240220204900","replies":["c-BurningBlaze05-20240220210300-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220205500"]}}-->

It's kind of a 50/50. Half pages have it and half pages don't, but all pages have career stats are in the external links. (driverdb.com)

It's kind of a small detail that is useless to enforce (some pages don't even have a racing record, and when colouring pages most do a (#ffffff.) while I do a (#FFFFFF) which makes no difference. Some don't do a (align=left) on racing record tables and some do, some people add quote marks (align="left") BurningBlaze05 (talk) 21:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240220210300","author":"BurningBlaze05","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-BurningBlaze05-20240220210300-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220205500","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220210700-BurningBlaze05-20240220210300"]}}-->

I don't consider missing references on the same level as capitalizing hexcodes but you're welcome to resubmit; I won't be the one to accept the article in its current state. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 21:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240220210700","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240220210700-BurningBlaze05-20240220210300","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I am new editor and this was the first page that I made: Fabuwood. You posted a tag that the page sounds like an advertisement. I tried my best to make it neutral sounding. Do you have any advice on what can be changed to make it less advertisement sounding? Knockingonyourdoor (talk) 06:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240221061200","author":"Knockingonyourdoor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Knockingonyourdoor-20240221061200-Fabuwood","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240221153200-Knockingonyourdoor-20240221061200"]}}-->

Hey @Knockingonyourdoor: my two main concerns with the article is that excessively describes the products produced by the company and that a lot of its sources appear to be WP:CHURNALISM. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 15:32, 21 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240221153200","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240221153200-Knockingonyourdoor-20240221061200","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! Could you review of these pages Aznaur Tavaev, 2023 Russian National Greco-Roman Wrestling Championships and Azamat Akhmedov? Thank you! @MicrobiologyMarcus Ricco Baroni (talk) 07:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240222071200","author":"Ricco Baroni","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ricco_Baroni-20240222071200-Review_of_new_pages","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240222150800-Ricco_Baroni-20240222071200"]}}-->

I tend to stay away from reviewing sports leagues and sports figures and don't do reviews upon request. At a cursory glance, I cannot find any glaring issues of WP:BLP or WP:N, with the massive caveat that I cannot read the Russian sources. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 15:08, 22 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240222150800","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240222150800-Ricco_Baroni-20240222071200","replies":[]}}-->

Could you tell me in detail on how I can do a better job on that article? Hitachi fumizuki (talk) 21:51, 25 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240225215100","author":"Hitachi fumizuki","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hitachi_fumizuki-20240225215100-fumizuki_clan_article","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240225223200-Hitachi_fumizuki-20240225215100"]}}-->

@Hitachi fumizuki: per the declination reasoning, it does not appear to meet the threshold of notability and does not contain sufficient reliable sources. Consider reviewing WP:REFB for more help. Further, I'd also identify NPOV issues with your draft which may stem from your apparent conflict of interest. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 22:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240225223200","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240225223200-Hitachi_fumizuki-20240225215100","replies":[]}}-->

Question for you - new editor on the article, NeeSinghamDhaan, feel like the latest sock of 81.104.111.169 / 161.74.220.0/23 to you? Ravensfire (talk) 17:36, 27 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240227173600","author":"Ravensfire","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ravensfire-20240227173600-Super_Singer_10","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227174200-Ravensfire-20240227173600"]}}-->

@Ravensfire: Yeah, I'm thinking so. Looking at

| rowspan="2" |[[K. S. Ravikumar|K. S. Ravikumar (director, actor)]]<br>[[Dheena (actor)]]<br>[[Pavani Reddy|Pavani Reddy (actress)]]<br>[[Mahendran (actor)]]

from this comparison: [2]. Who pipes links from pages without disambigs to add the descriptions in. That was part of the needed ongoing cleanup and it's being added back in? Same editing pattern I'd say for sure. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 17:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240227174200","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227174200-Ravensfire-20240227173600","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227174800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227174200"]}}-->

@Ravensfire I've opened something on WP:Sockpuppet investigations/81.104.111.169 but it's my first time doing so. I've used Twinkle so hopefully everything was correct but feel free to check my work. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 17:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240227174800","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227174800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227174200","replies":["c-Ravensfire-20240227175000-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227174800"]}}-->

Oh thank you! I was thinking about the SPI and you've done the heavy lifting. I'll comment there. In part, some of their editing has improved - not using colors, not using all caps, still adding descriptors after names and the issue you noted, but there's potential to be a better editor, but not even trying to discuss that they've been blocked, the reasons and how they can do better, just creating new accounts and going. Sigh. Thank you! Ravensfire (talk) 17:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240227175000","author":"Ravensfire","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ravensfire-20240227175000-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227174800","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227175200-Ravensfire-20240227175000"]}}-->

@Ravensfire, see also Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Increase#Super Singer 10 microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 17:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240227175200","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240227175200-Ravensfire-20240227175000","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Marcus, can you please give me feedback, what should i do? MichelleGodoy2020 (talk) 22:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240227220500","author":"MichelleGodoy2020","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MichelleGodoy2020-20240227220500-Requesting_Feedback_for_Draft:Enrique_Avilez_article","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240228004800-MichelleGodoy2020-20240227220500"]}}-->

Hi @MichelleGodoy2020, you've got text that is highly promotional (contrary to WP:NPOV) that cites to facebook, youtube and interviews with the subject (a WP:primary source). These are not WP:reliable sources. The article must be based on facts that were established by secondary sources and use inline citations to those sources. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 00:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240228004800","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240228004800-MichelleGodoy2020-20240227220500","replies":[]}}-->

its just a mistake. next time i careful. Tabassum3 (talk) 20:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240228200000","author":"Tabassum3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tabassum3-20240228200000-i_want_to_add_a_new_topic","replies":[]}}-->

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I can't add references to sections that the reviewer feels are inadequately sourced if I don't know what sections they're referencing or what exactly what the reviewer wants to see in those sections if they're edited so that they have what the reviewer feels is enough inline citations. Could you please tell me what sections you feel are inadequately sourced? There is only one section with no inline citations in it because I felt the inline citations in the previous section had already adequately explained the material in that section and I didn't want to be redundant -- if you actually read the sources it's apparent that everything on eg. "Decompression" is explained by the sources in the compression section. I can edit the draft article and add inline citations to the sections which you feel are inadequately sourced if you tell me which ones need more inline citations ( it is obvious though, that the sections with no inline citations are inadequately sourced, and I can easily fix this ).

I could cite many examples of articles already on Wikipedia with far fewer sources than my draft and which have at least one section with no inline citations. Take, for example, the Motorola MC14500B article or the DEC PDP-14 article.

I don't see how articles of the aforementioned types are fine but my submission isn't -- is there some sort of double standard?

Jdbtwo (talk) 15:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240302153800","author":"Jdbtwo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jdbtwo-20240302153800-Request_on_15:38:06,_2_March_2024_for_assistance_on_AfC_submission_by_Jdbtwo","replies":["c-Jdbtwo-20240302160800-Jdbtwo-20240302153800"]}}-->

I've edited the draft article and added inline citations to the "Decompression" section and also added more inline citations to the article in general. I went with the policy of adding inline citations to sentences and paragraphs -- hopefully it isn't excessive. Please tell me if the edited draft meets your requirements for sufficient inline citations for the various sections. Jdbtwo (talk) 16:08, 2 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240302160800","author":"Jdbtwo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jdbtwo-20240302160800-Jdbtwo-20240302153800","replies":["c-Jdbtwo-20240302162000-Jdbtwo-20240302160800"]}}-->

Just a thought : I didn't add many inline citations (before the last edit) per section / paragraph as I felt it would introduce redundancy. I believed that adding more citations would create clutter because I thought that the sentences and paragraphs following said inline citations had already adequately been referenced regarding the subject being discussed and explained in more detail in the sources for the aforementioned inline citations -- I guess I was in error. Jdbtwo (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240302162000","author":"Jdbtwo","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jdbtwo-20240302162000-Jdbtwo-20240302160800","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240302163000-Jdbtwo-20240302162000"]}}-->

@Jdbtwo: I can see you've definitely added the sources. I'm trying to better understand if the coverage you've demonstrated allows it to meet WP:N as I'm not sure the primary sources cover it.

In regards to your comparission articles, yes, it's well established that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.

microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240302163000","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240302163000-Jdbtwo-20240302162000","replies":["c-Jdbtwo-20240302164300-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240302163000"]}}-->

I was just adding more inline citations but there was an edit conflict -- trying again. Jdbtwo (talk) 16:43, 2 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240302164300","author":"Jdbtwo","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Jdbtwo-20240302164300-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240302163000","replies":[]}}-->

As you may remember there was the IRR Transversal Line article with whom you helped, for which I thank you, yet I still have a question: the article is currently rated as Start-Class, what do you think would be changes to get it into C-Class? Do you have any remarks on the article, or advice? With kind regards, JohnnyDoobydoo (talk) 18:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240302184600","author":"JohnnyDoobydoo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohnnyDoobydoo-20240302184600-A_Question_on_\"advancing\"_the_article","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240302201800-JohnnyDoobydoo-20240302184600"]}}-->

Hey @JohnnyDoobydoo, looks like a C class to me. I've updated the ratings. For more information, you can review WP:Content assessment. There is also a group of editors who monoitor WP:WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment § Requesting an assessment if you wanted to request someone to review it and give feedback. For asking for more suggestions about what it would generally increase the quality of the article, the fine folks over at WP:WikiProject Trains would be the best place to seek help. Cheers, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 20:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240302201800","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240302201800-JohnnyDoobydoo-20240302184600","replies":[]}}-->

Kindly request you to move the page I just created for Anshika. There is another footballer, Anshika Kaithwas, from UP and I mistook her for Anshika. Anshika is the Indian player (goalkeeper).

Your help will be much appreciated as I don't know how to remove the page. Thanks a lot! Davidindia (talk) 15:11, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303151100","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303151100-Request_to_move_Anshika_Kaithwas_to_Anshika_(footballer)","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303152100-Davidindia-20240303151100"]}}-->

@Davidindia: I'm sorry, I'm happy to help, I just don't understand the request.

You made Anshika Kaithwas and you want to move that to Anshika Kaithwas (footballer)? Where is UP?

The reason for the move is you want to make another page for a different Anshika Kaithwas, also a footballer, from India?

The reason I ask is because it will most likely need double ambiguators if they both play football:

Anshika Kaithwas (Indian footballer) and Anshika Kaithwas (x country footballer)

Let me know, I'm happy to help. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 15:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303152100","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303152100-Davidindia-20240303151100","replies":["c-Davidindia-20240303153400-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303152100"]}}-->

I created a page for Anshika (instead wrongly named it as Ashika Kaithwas, who is another footballer from UP).

So I want the current Anshika Kaithwas to be renamed as Anshika (football) or just Anshika. Sorry for the trouble. Your help is much appreciated. thanks and regards! Davidindia (talk) 15:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303153400","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303153400-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303152100","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303154400-Davidindia-20240303153400"]}}-->

@Davidindia becayse they both play football, they'll both need a disambiguator with the page name of the name being a disambiguation page. And because of the similarities, the WP:MONONYM is not a solution here, they'll need to be properly identified. I'm happy to move it, I just need more information. Can you draft the new article, for the time being, at Draft:Anshika Kaithwas (even if it's just a stub, just so I can get basic info) then I will move all properly and you can continue working after that?

Thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 15:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303154400","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303154400-Davidindia-20240303153400","replies":["c-Davidindia-20240303160700-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303154400"]}}-->

Agree. Because Asnshika Kaithwas is also a potential India player... So I guess you should put the current page in a draft and then I will work on it. When I tried this (Draft:Anshika Kaithwas) it is saying, page already exists. Thanks and sorry for the trouble. Davidindia (talk) 16:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303160700","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303160700-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303154400","replies":["c-Davidindia-20240303161000-Davidindia-20240303160700"]}}-->

Or may be I can change this article and put Kaithwas content. And later create a separate page for Anshika (goalkeeper). Just give me 30 min. I will change the content. Please don't make it a draft right now. Thanks Davidindia (talk) 16:10, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303161000","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303161000-Davidindia-20240303160700","replies":["c-Davidindia-20240303163300-Davidindia-20240303161000"]}}-->

Thanks a lot. As per your advice I have put the new content. Later, once I create the page for Anshika (goalkeeper), a disambiguation page can be created, I guess. Thanks once again. Best, Davidindia (talk) 16:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303163300","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303163300-Davidindia-20240303161000","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303165400-Davidindia-20240303163300"]}}-->

@Davidindia that was not the way to do it. In the future do not overwrite articles simply to claim the page name as it affects the relevant page history and associated wikidata linked to those pages. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 16:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303165400","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303165400-Davidindia-20240303163300","replies":[]}}-->

OOps. My sincere regrets. I was a bit confused and made the mistake. Kindly suggest how I can correct it. Posting my talk page reply here. Davidindia (talk) 17:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303171800","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303171800-Request_to_move_Anshika_Kaithwas_to_Anshika_(footballer)","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303171900-Davidindia-20240303171800"]}}-->

@Davidindia it's been resolved. Do not use that as a solution in the future. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 17:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303171900","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303171900-Davidindia-20240303171800","replies":["c-Davidindia-20240303172000-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303171900"]}}-->

Ok. Thanks a lot. Did in good faith, though! Davidindia (talk) 17:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303172000","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303172000-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303171900","replies":["c-Significa_liberdade-20240303173100-Davidindia-20240303172000"]}}-->

Hi, @Davidindia -- You currently have two identical articles for both players (minus the differing date of birth). This is not acceptable, especially when you have personal information about one of the players (i.e., that she donated part of her liver to her brother). This is clearly not the case for both players. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303173100","author":"Significa liberdade","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Significa_liberdade-20240303173100-Davidindia-20240303172000","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303173500-Significa_liberdade-20240303173100"],"displayName":"Significa liberdade (she\/her)"}}-->

Hey @Davidindia and Significa liberdade: I believe the correct revision has now been placed on then page. As the original author, can you review and confirm. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 17:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303173500","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303173500-Significa_liberdade-20240303173100","replies":["c-Davidindia-20240303174300-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303173500"]}}-->

There are two players. One is Anshika (Indian player, goalkeeper, HOPS, Haryana) and then Anshika Kaithwas (midfielder, Uttar Pradesh) who donated a part of the liver. The second one is not an Indian player, she only played the Nationals. Actually, I have enough material with reliable references for Anshika (HOPS, Haryana),but right now there is no article/page for her... Can I can create her page so that there is no confusion. Apologies for all this mess! Davidindia (talk) 17:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303174300","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303174300-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303173500","replies":["c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303174500-Davidindia-20240303174300"]}}-->

@Davidindia Hang on, before there are any new pages created. Take a look at Anshika Kaithwas and see that it is a DAB page for Anshika Kaithwas (footballer, born 2004) and Anshika Kaithwas (footballer, born 2003). Slow down. First things first: are these articles and their content correct? Work on those first. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 17:45, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303174500","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303174500-Davidindia-20240303174300","replies":["c-Davidindia-20240303174800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303174500"]}}-->

The first one (born 2004) is not correct. It is Anshika's (hops). The second one is correct for Anshika Kaithwas. Maybe we should remove DoB, as we don't have reliable source. thanks Davidindia (talk) 17:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303174800","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303174800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303174500","replies":[]}}-->

@Davidindia okay, that's not how I saw it, that one doesn't have a birthdate source. I've placed both in the draftspace for the time being until these can get sorted out. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 17:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303175300","author":"MicrobiologyMarcus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303175300-Request_to_move_Anshika_Kaithwas_to_Anshika_(footballer)","replies":["c-Davidindia-20240303175800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303175300"]}}-->

Thanks a lot! Much appreciated! Davidindia (talk) 17:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303175800","author":"Davidindia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Davidindia-20240303175800-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240303175300","replies":[]}}-->