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It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Inter Milan. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. You have blatantly breached rules on canvassing by pinging editors who have supported your position. Inexcusable. Leaky caldron (talk) 11:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-23T11:45:00.000Z","author":"Leaky caldron","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T11:45:00.000Z-January_2022","replies":["c-Ben5218-2022-01-23T13:44:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T11:45:00.000Z","c-PeeJay-2022-01-24T16:29:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T11:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello @Leaky caldron: I did not have any intention to ping those users to attract votes favoring my opinion at all; I've been here for almost eight years and that's the last thing I would do, and if that's was the case, I would've mentioned other users last time I requested the same move in 2019. I only did this to let others notice that my opinion was recently supported by some users. Regarding your statement that I mentioned people who only support my opinion, I can see that all eight people who participated in that discussion actually agrees with me, which clarifies that I mentioned only three of them as an example. Please assume good faith in other people's action, because most of us here on Wikipedia want nothing but to make it a better place. Ben5218 (talk) 13:44, 23 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-23T13:44:00.000Z","author":"Ben5218","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ben5218-2022-01-23T13:44:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T11:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T14:02:00.000Z-Ben5218-2022-01-23T13:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Why use ping? You could simply have listed the users without pinging them. You appear to have pinged to canvass support. Leaky caldron (talk) 14:02, 23 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-23T14:02:00.000Z","author":"Leaky caldron","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T14:02:00.000Z-Ben5218-2022-01-23T13:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ben5218-2022-01-23T15:17:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T14:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Most likely because I'm used to use pings whenever I talk about other users. I should've thought twice before doing that in this case, but I don't think it would've made a difference in our topic. Ben5218 (talk) 15:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-23T15:17:00.000Z","author":"Ben5218","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ben5218-2022-01-23T15:17:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T14:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T16:03:00.000Z-Ben5218-2022-01-23T15:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Clear breach of WP:CANVASS. You selected certain users who support your position and directly contacted them without approaching other interested editors. You should apologise. Leaky caldron (talk) 16:03, 23 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-23T16:03:00.000Z","author":"Leaky caldron","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T16:03:00.000Z-Ben5218-2022-01-23T15:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ben5218-2022-01-23T21:11:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T16:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

Apology? Contact them? I did not contact those users and I did not breach WP:CANVASS! Please assume good faith, and remember that there were eight users who agreed with my point. If I wanted to do what you are claiming I intended to do, I would've mentioned all eight of them, and not just three. Again, please assume good faith, and remember that my only intention was the following: Pointing out that before placing the request move, some people already shared the same opinion with me. Nothing more, nothing less. Ben5218 (talk) 21:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-23T21:11:00.000Z","author":"Ben5218","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ben5218-2022-01-23T21:11:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T16:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T21:28:00.000Z-Ben5218-2022-01-23T21:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

I did not contact those users? You pinged them - how is that not contact? You pinged only those editors who would arrive to support your request. That is a clear editor contact and a clear breach of WP:CANVASS. Leaky caldron (talk) 21:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-23T21:28:00.000Z","author":"Leaky caldron","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T21:28:00.000Z-Ben5218-2022-01-23T21:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ben5218-2022-01-24T16:06:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T21:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

I didn't contact them because I... didn't? Pinging is different from messaging users on their talk pages. However, since according to you that's a breach WP:CANVASS, I've edited my comment on the other page and removed those pings. Sorry for any inconvenience, but remember that I didn't mean to attract other users attention to participate in the discussion; otherwise I would've mentioned all participants rather than just three. Ben5218 (talk) 16:06, 24 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-24T16:06:00.000Z","author":"Ben5218","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ben5218-2022-01-24T16:06:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T21:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Leaky caldron seems to be far too emotionally invested in this subject. – PeeJay 16:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-24T16:29:00.000Z","author":"PeeJay","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PeeJay-2022-01-24T16:29:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-23T11:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ben5218-2022-01-24T22:04:00.000Z-PeeJay-2022-01-24T16:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Pee"}}-->

Not sure why, though. He seems to refuse to accept the fact that I unintentionally pinged those users, and that I did not want to do what he is claiming I intended to do at all. Ben5218 (talk) 22:04, 24 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-24T22:04:00.000Z","author":"Ben5218","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ben5218-2022-01-24T22:04:00.000Z-PeeJay-2022-01-24T16:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-24T22:19:00.000Z-Ben5218-2022-01-24T22:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

You cannot "unintentionally" ping users. It requires the use of a carefully assembled syntax. Naming them in text only, as you claim was your purpose, requires no thought and no syntax. And you cannot expunge it by simply removing the edit. The pings have reached their intended target. Leaky caldron (talk) 22:19, 24 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-24T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Leaky caldron","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-24T22:19:00.000Z-Ben5218-2022-01-24T22:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ben5218-2022-01-24T22:33:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-24T22:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

As I said before, I'm used to use pings when I want to talk about other users. You are saying that I pinged only people who supported my opinion, but all people who participated in the discussion in question share the same opinion with me, and if I intended to attract all people from that discussion I would've mentioned all eight users rather than just three, right? Did I ping all participants? No. Did I accidentally ping some of the participants? Yes. After your comments, I've removed those pings and apologized for this mistake above. I'm not quite sure what else I'm supposed to do now or where is the problem. Ben5218 (talk) 22:33, 24 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-24T22:33:00.000Z","author":"Ben5218","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ben5218-2022-01-24T22:33:00.000Z-Leaky_caldron-2022-01-24T22:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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