Template talk:Veganism and vegetarianism

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Odd edits

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RayneVanDunem has made a series of odd edits to this template, please discuss what these were about.

There are no references on these articles mentioning veganism or vegetarianism. It is WP:OR to include them here. Psychologist Guy (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213194500","author":"Psychologist Guy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Psychologist_Guy-20241213194500-Odd_edits","replies":["c-RayneVanDunem-20241213205500-Psychologist_Guy-20241213194500"]}}-->

At the very least, I've linked Meat alternative in the Leghemoglobin section on commercial use regarding Impossible Foods. And there is already a reference to the same in the Heme article as well. RayneVanDunem (talk) 20:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213205500","author":"RayneVanDunem","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RayneVanDunem-20241213205500-Psychologist_Guy-20241213194500","replies":[]}}-->
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This navbox is too large

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This should be a collapsible group navbox. I felt that my edit was suitable. @RayneVanDunem RayneVanDunem (talk) 20:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213201000","author":"RayneVanDunem","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RayneVanDunem-20241213201000-This_navbox_is_too_large","replies":["c-Psychologist_Guy-20250108122700-RayneVanDunem-20241213201000"]}}-->

See below for a current discussion about this. Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108122700","author":"Psychologist Guy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Psychologist_Guy-20250108122700-RayneVanDunem-20241213201000","replies":[]}}-->
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I have received an email from a user claiming this template is now too big. On the animal rights template we had a similar issue in the past and solution was to split the template up. Please discuss this. Can this template be split like the other? What are the options here? Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108122700","author":"Psychologist Guy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Psychologist_Guy-20250108122700-Navbox_size","replies":["c-Randy_Kryn-20250108123900-Psychologist_Guy-20250108122700","c-Rasnaboy-20250108134200-Psychologist_Guy-20250108122700"]}}-->

By split you mean divide the sections into their own clickable section such as the {{Animal rights}} editors have done. That may work here and probably wouldn't lose or confuse too many readers. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108123900","author":"Randy Kryn","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Randy_Kryn-20250108123900-Psychologist_Guy-20250108122700","replies":[]}}-->
It's true that this template is poised to grow much bigger in the future. I think it's wise to organize this in some way or the other, but not sure if splitting would help. Splitting Veganism and vegetarianism will have severe overlaps, much more than between veganism/vegetarianism and animal rights. Maybe as @Randy Kryn: said, organizing it under sections would help for now. Rasnaboy (talk) 13:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108134200","author":"Rasnaboy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rasnaboy-20250108134200-Psychologist_Guy-20250108122700","replies":["c-Randy_Kryn-20250108134400-Rasnaboy-20250108134200"]}}-->
If I'm not mistaken that's what Psychologist Guy is suggesting, per the Animal rights navbox, not dividing the navbox into two or more navboxes. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108134400","author":"Randy Kryn","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Randy_Kryn-20250108134400-Rasnaboy-20250108134200","replies":["c-Psychologist_Guy-20250108141300-Randy_Kryn-20250108134400"]}}-->
Yes sorry, I should have been more clear. I was suggesting to divide the sections within the template like what was done on the animal rights template. I think such a thing is possible but there will need to be a consensus agreement to make it happen. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108141300","author":"Psychologist Guy","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Psychologist_Guy-20250108141300-Randy_Kryn-20250108134400","replies":["c-Randy_Kryn-20250108143700-Psychologist_Guy-20250108141300"]}}-->
Looks like it could fit into about six sections with concise titling. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108143700","author":"Randy Kryn","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Randy_Kryn-20250108143700-Psychologist_Guy-20250108141300","replies":["c-Classicfilms-20250108235700-Randy_Kryn-20250108143700","c-MaynardClark-20250109055300-Randy_Kryn-20250108143700"]}}-->
Support: Reorganizing in a manner similar to the Animal rights navbox as Psychologist Guy suggests above. -Classicfilms (talk) 23:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108235700","author":"Classicfilms","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Classicfilms-20250108235700-Randy_Kryn-20250108143700","replies":[]}}-->
Whatever works (or can work): It ought to look good and be function. MaynardClark (talk) 05:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250109055300","author":"MaynardClark","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-MaynardClark-20250109055300-Randy_Kryn-20250108143700","replies":["c-Psychologist_Guy-20250110085200-MaynardClark-20250109055300"]}}-->
It is probably worth leaving this discussion open for a few weeks to see if anyone else responds, so far it looks like there is agreement to go ahead with the sections. Thanks. Psychologist Guy (talk) 08:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250110085200","author":"Psychologist Guy","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Psychologist_Guy-20250110085200-MaynardClark-20250109055300","replies":["c-Moxy-20250110094400-Psychologist_Guy-20250110085200"]}}-->
WoW huge navigation nightmare - should trim and/or split WP:NAVBOX "Navigation templates are particularly useful for a small, well-defined group of articles; templates with a large number of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use." Moxy🍁 09:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250110094400","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Moxy-20250110094400-Psychologist_Guy-20250110085200","replies":["c-Randy_Kryn-20250110100000-Moxy-20250110094400"]}}-->
No need to trim or split, that's what the sectioning discussion is about. The navbox doesn't seem a "naviagation nightmare", it is well-sectioned, understandable, and nothing within it confuses readers. As a Wikipedia map to the topic it works well and will be better presented once the sectioning is worked out. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250110100000","author":"Randy Kryn","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Randy_Kryn-20250110100000-Moxy-20250110094400","replies":["c-Moxy-20250110194400-Randy_Kryn-20250110100000"]}}-->
This size of navbox is the reason why they are not seen in mobile view - link spam at its best. Should make and outline or index page for the 100 subarticles. Moxy🍁 19:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250110194400","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Moxy-20250110194400-Randy_Kryn-20250110100000","replies":[]}}-->