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This template is too large and gives almost no information. Who will recognize a the Secretarys of State by their last name? Isn't Template:Succession box enough? This is just clutter.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 20:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-01-12T20:54:00.000Z","author":"BirgitteSB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BirgitteSB-2006-01-12T20:54:00.000Z-Untitled","replies":["c-Markles-2006-01-12T22:23:00.000Z-BirgitteSB-2006-01-12T20:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Birgitte\u00a7\u03b2"}}-->

This template is identical to templates used for all the other cabinet secretaries. Along with Presidents, VPs, and many others. —Mark Adler (markles) 22:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-01-12T22:23:00.000Z","author":"Markles","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Markles-2006-01-12T22:23:00.000Z-BirgitteSB-2006-01-12T20:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-BirgitteSB-2006-01-17T14:02:00.000Z-Markles-2006-01-12T22:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well I guess it could be worse. I just looked at John M. Clayton and the template for him be being a Senator from Delaware is worse. I just think these political templates are getting out hand. Succesion boxes should be enough with a big table with more information available at the article for the office. Elizabeth I doesn't have a big Monarch of England template and the names on that would actually be recognizable.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 14:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-01-17T14:02:00.000Z","author":"BirgitteSB","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BirgitteSB-2006-01-17T14:02:00.000Z-Markles-2006-01-12T22:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Birgitte\u00a7\u03b2"}}-->

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Update needed to template so it reflects Tillerson's confirmation to the position, see sources at Rex Tillerson. RA0808 ^talk_contribs 20:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-01T20:12:00.000Z","author":"RA0808","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RA0808-2017-02-01T20:12:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_1_February_2017","replies":["c-Matt_Fitzpatrick-2017-02-01T21:12:00.000Z-RA0808-2017-02-01T20:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Done Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 21:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-01T21:12:00.000Z","author":"Matt Fitzpatrick","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Matt_Fitzpatrick-2017-02-01T21:12:00.000Z-RA0808-2017-02-01T20:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Add to the title of the table please. SlitherySentinel (talk) 18:43, 12 February 2017 (UTC) SlitherySentinel (talk) 18:43, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-12T18:43:00.000Z","author":"SlitherySentinel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SlitherySentinel-2017-02-12T18:43:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_12_February_2017","replies":["c-Izno-2017-02-12T19:01:00.000Z-SlitherySentinel-2017-02-12T18:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. Izno (talk) 19:01, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-12T19:01:00.000Z","author":"Izno","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Izno-2017-02-12T19:01:00.000Z-SlitherySentinel-2017-02-12T18:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Add * Pompeo between * Tillerson and.

So:

• Tillerson
• Pompeo

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Full year "1789" for first section heading per Wikipedia style of full year if not consecutive. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-24T23:52:00.000Z","author":"Randy Kryn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Randy_Kryn-2019-04-24T23:52:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_26_April_2018","replies":[]}}-->

}} Arstraky (talk) 17:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-26T17:15:00.000Z","author":"Arstraky","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Arstraky-2018-04-26T17:15:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_26_April_2018","replies":["c-Galobtter-2018-04-26T17:21:00.000Z-Arstraky-2018-04-26T17:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-26T17:21:00.000Z","author":"Galobtter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Galobtter-2018-04-26T17:21:00.000Z-Arstraky-2018-04-26T17:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Full year "1789" for first section heading per Wikipedia style of full year if not consecutive. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-24T23:52:00.000Z","author":"Randy Kryn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Randy_Kryn-2019-04-24T23:52:00.000Z-Edit_request","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi. Please complete the full year 1789 in the section head, so it reads: 1781-1789, per Wikipedia style for non-consecutive years. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-08-23T11:24:00.000Z","author":"Randy Kryn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Randy_Kryn-2020-08-23T11:24:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_23_August_2020","replies":["c-Pppery-2020-08-23T14:15:00.000Z-Randy_Kryn-2020-08-23T11:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-08-23T14:15:00.000Z","author":"Pppery","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pppery-2020-08-23T14:15:00.000Z-Randy_Kryn-2020-08-23T11:24:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"* Pppery *"}}-->

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Could someone change the link to John Forsyth (Georgia) to John Forsyth (politician)? - Poydoo can talk and edit 01:05, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-07T01:05:00.000Z","author":"Poydoo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Poydoo-2020-10-07T01:05:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_October_2020","replies":["c-Pppery-2020-10-07T01:51:00.000Z-Poydoo-2020-10-07T01:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:51, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-07T01:51:00.000Z","author":"Pppery","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pppery-2020-10-07T01:51:00.000Z-Poydoo-2020-10-07T01:05:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"* Pppery *"}}-->

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Please remove "([[John Kerry's tenure as Secretary of State|tenure]])", which unlike the other Tenure links is a redirect and not needed. This should probably be unprotected or un-fully-protected, doubt the Clinton issue from 2016 needing a blanket lock-down persists. Reywas92^Talk 01:36, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-15T01:36:00.000Z","author":"Reywas92","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Reywas92-2021-01-15T01:36:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_15_January_2021","replies":["c-Jonesey95-2021-01-15T01:49:00.000Z-Reywas92-2021-01-15T01:36:00.000Z","c-Pppery-2021-01-16T18:34:00.000Z-Reywas92-2021-01-15T01:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

FWIW: The redirect leads to a section of the page, so it has a different target from the main "John Kerry" link. This is just an explanatory note; I have neither objection to nor support for any change. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-15T01:49:00.000Z","author":"Jonesey95","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jonesey95-2021-01-15T01:49:00.000Z-Reywas92-2021-01-15T01:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Reywas92-2021-01-15T19:43:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-01-15T01:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes I think pretty much every one of these people has a section in the article specific to their time as SoS, no reason for just Kerry to have one. Reywas92^Talk 19:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-15T19:43:00.000Z","author":"Reywas92","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Reywas92-2021-01-15T19:43:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-01-15T01:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:34, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-16T18:34:00.000Z","author":"Pppery","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pppery-2021-01-16T18:34:00.000Z-Reywas92-2021-01-15T01:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"* Pppery *"}}-->

Please add Antony Blinken; confirmed by the Senate and sworn in on 26 January 2021. Willform (talk) 01:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-27T01:11:00.000Z","author":"Willform","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Willform-2021-01-27T01:11:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_26_January_2021","replies":[]}}-->

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Current Secretary of State Antony Blinken should be added to the list. Raider Duck (talk) 22:19, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-27T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Raider Duck","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Raider_Duck-2021-01-27T22:19:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_January_2021","replies":["c-Jonesey95-2021-01-28T01:01:00.000Z-Raider_Duck-2021-01-27T22:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-28T01:01:00.000Z","author":"Jonesey95","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jonesey95-2021-01-28T01:01:00.000Z-Raider_Duck-2021-01-27T22:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Change G. Marshall to G. Marshall. 72.208.178.248 (talk) 18:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-31T18:52:00.000Z","author":"72.208.178.248","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-72.208.178.248-2021-08-31T18:52:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_31_August_2021","replies":["c-Jonesey95-2021-08-31T23:07:00.000Z-72.208.178.248-2021-08-31T18:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-31T23:07:00.000Z","author":"Jonesey95","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jonesey95-2021-08-31T23:07:00.000Z-72.208.178.248-2021-08-31T18:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Change R. Livingston to R. Livingston. Sahaib3005 (talk) 08:10, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-13T08:10:00.000Z","author":"Sahaib3005","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sahaib3005-2022-02-13T08:10:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_13_February_2022","replies":["c-Jonesey95-2022-02-13T15:34:00.000Z-Sahaib3005-2022-02-13T08:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-13T15:34:00.000Z","author":"Jonesey95","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jonesey95-2022-02-13T15:34:00.000Z-Sahaib3005-2022-02-13T08:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Since we already have links to tenure pages, I suggest adding international trip pages to their respective secretaries as well. The formatting might have to be tweaked, but it would look something like this:

• Christopher (trips)
• Albright (trips)
• Powell (trips)
• Rice (tenure · trips)
• Clinton (tenure · trips)
• Kerry (trips)
• Tillerson (trips)
• Pompeo (trips)
• Blinken (trips) Woko Sapien (talk) 18:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-20T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Woko Sapien","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-20T18:55:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_20_June_2022","replies":["c-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-20T18:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please see my sandbox for an example of how this would look on the template. --Woko Sapien (talk) 17:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z","author":"Woko Sapien","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-20T18:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Paine_Ellsworth-2022-06-21T19:07:00.000Z-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done – seems uncontroversial enough. If other editors object they can revert or discuss it further here. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 19:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-21T19:07:00.000Z","author":"Paine Ellsworth","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Paine_Ellsworth-2022-06-21T19:07:00.000Z-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"P.I.\u00a0Ellsworth"}}-->

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Add a below section to include a link to List of international trips made by secretaries of state of the United States. Woko Sapien (talk) 19:06, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-20T19:06:00.000Z","author":"Woko Sapien","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-20T19:06:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_20_June_2022_(2)","replies":["c-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-20T19:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please see my sandbox for an example of how this would look on the template. --Woko Sapien (talk) 17:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z","author":"Woko Sapien","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-20T19:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Paine_Ellsworth-2022-06-21T19:08:00.000Z-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 19:08, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-21T19:08:00.000Z","author":"Paine Ellsworth","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Paine_Ellsworth-2022-06-21T19:08:00.000Z-Woko_Sapien-2022-06-21T17:56:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"P.I.\u00a0Ellsworth"}}-->

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Change template title to sentence case to be in compliance with MOS:JOBTITLES:

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See Template:USDeputySecretaryofState for example. Woko Sapien (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119221500","author":"Woko Sapien","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Woko_Sapien-20241119221500-Woko_Sapien-20241119221200","replies":["c-Pppery-20241120023500-Woko_Sapien-20241119221500"]}}-->

I've reduced the protection level so you can edit it now. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120023500","author":"Pppery","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pppery-20241120023500-Woko_Sapien-20241119221500","replies":["c-Woko_Sapien-20241120154700-Pppery-20241120023500"],"displayName":"* Pppery *"}}-->

Thanks! Woko Sapien (talk) 15:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120154700","author":"Woko Sapien","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Woko_Sapien-20241120154700-Pppery-20241120023500","replies":[]}}-->