Rugbyfan22, I've converted the template to be switchable and hopefully avoid the plethora of wrapping templates. This one was easy compared to {{rut}}! I haven't converted any article-space uses yet, figured I'd let you have a look-over just so that you can make sure I didn't miss something obvious. Primefac (talk) 13:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-31T13:37:00.000Z","author":"Primefac","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primefac-2022-01-31T13:37:00.000Z-Switch_conversion_done","replies":["c-Jonesey95-2022-01-31T16:43:00.000Z-Primefac-2022-01-31T13:37:00.000Z"]}}-->
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Any opposition to changing this to {{rugby union stadium}} for increased clarity? {{rus}} would still be usable as a template redirect, but I've been trying to get the template space more user-friendly by expanding abbreviated names like this. Primefac (talk) 13:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-31T13:37:00.000Z","author":"Primefac","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primefac-2022-01-31T13:37:00.000Z-Name_change?","replies":["c-Jonesey95-2022-01-31T15:56:00.000Z-Primefac-2022-01-31T13:37:00.000Z"]}}-->
Requesting input from Rugbyfan22, Jonesey95, Primefac and others on a subject of a discussion I've been having with PeeJay on his talk page, before it escalates into more unfriendliness from both sides and childish "revenge" edits. The cause of the discussion is a massive amount of changes made by PeeJay to articles relating to the NPC, Heartland Championship and the Ranfurly Shield, without discussing the changes with considerable impact on the talk pages first and often lumping them all together in very extensive edits without an appropriate edit summary. Although not entirely happy with changing all instances of {{rugbybox collapsible}} to {{rugbybox}} (not collapsed), because a long list of match results with scorers creates a diarrhoea of words that is hard to read for people with dyslexia, I can see that the change may be necessary for readers with mobile devices (depending on operating system), so I'm accepting change. Also the removal of icons with the provincial (NPC) team colours – while deplorable from a historic viewpoint – is something I'm not contesting. I'm willing to be flexible.
However, the removal – without prior discussion – of the Template:Rugby union team ({{rut}}) and Template:Rugby union stadium ({{rus}}) is something I would like to bring to your attention, as PeeJay seems to be relitigating the use of these templates, after bringing up his arguments before on the talk page of the rut template here.
1. First of all, PeeJay is of the opnion that templates should not be used as replacements for simple links. IMO, that's exactly what the {{rus}} and {{rut}} templates are for and the extensive use of these templates shows that many editors agree with that use.
2. Second, PeeJay is against the use of the {{rus}} template for stadium name changes as a result of changes in stadium sponsorship. He's of the opinion that the original "unsponsored" names should be used. IMO the template is exactly intended for usage in these situations of sponsorship changes. It's literally mentioned in the template's description! Also, sticking to the unsponsored name where that name hasn't been used for years and the sponsored names are used in competition draws, media articles and countless other sources during the relevant rugby season, makes that unsponsored name unsupported by referenced sources and, therefore, unverifiable (in violation of WP:PROVEIT). It's also unnecessary, because the use of the {{rus}} template with new stadium names in case of sponsorship changes, does keep the connection with the stadium's unsponsored name through the link to the article about that stadium, which should include a description of the name changes that the stadium has had over time.
3. The third point of difference is a more technical point. PeeJay is of the opinion that editors should add {{subst:}} to the start of the template before saving the article if editors use the template to replace a "simple link". IMO that isn't necessary at all. First of all, if a new stadium name is added to the {{rus}} template, the instances where the template has been used with an old name still work perfectly as long as those old names haven't been removed from the template (they shouldn't). I'd like to hear from someone with more technical (coding) knowledge whether {{subst:}} should or should not be added when using the {{rus}} template (or {{rut}} template for that matter).
A practical example: an old sponsorship name for Rugby League Park is Orangetheory Stadium, Christchurch. Due to sponsorship changes, the stadium is now called Apollo Projects Stadium, Christchurch. As you can see, both uses of the template (unilaterally removed by PeeJay from many articles) work perfectly fine without adding {{subst:}}, and link to the article about Rugby League Park as they should. If {{subst:}} has to be added each time the {{rus}} template is being used, I'd be interested in getting an explanation for it.
The points raised in relation to the {{rus}} template are also relevant to the {{rut}} template. Looking forward to your comments. Ruggalicious (talk) 01:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240721015700","author":"Ruggalicious","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ruggalicious-20240721015700-Use_of_this_template,_incl_when_a_stadium_name_changes_due_to_sponsorship_change","replies":["c-Jonesey95-20240721020200-Ruggalicious-20240721015700","c-Rugbyfan22-20240721085600-Ruggalicious-20240721015700","c-PeeJay-20240721091700-Ruggalicious-20240721015700"]}}-->
I certainly can't think of any reason to use a template in place of a simple link
{{rut|Lions}}
[[Lions (United Rugby Championship)|Lions]]
{{rus|AAMI Park}}
[[Melbourne Rectangular Stadium|AAMI Park]], [[Melbourne]]
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