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Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates lists and displays all 50 U.S. state (and additional other) templates. It potentially can be used for ideas and standardization. //MrD9 07:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-19T07:19:00.000Z","author":"MrD9","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MrD9-2006-03-19T07:19:00.000Z-U.S._state_templates","replies":[]}}-->

	State of New York History | Education | Politics | People | Authorities | Political subdivisions | Towns | Villages
Capital	Albany
Regions	Adirondack Mountains | Capital District | Catskill Mountains | Central | Finger Lakes | The Holland Purchase | Hudson Valley | Long Island | Mohawk Valley | North Country | Shawangunks | Southern Tier | Upstate | Western
Metropolitan areas	Albany/Schenectady/Troy | Binghamton | Buffalo/Niagara Falls | Elmira/Corning | New York | Poughkeepsie/Kingston/Newburgh | Rochester | Syracuse | Utica/Rome
Counties	Albany | Allegany | Bronx | Broome | Cattaraugus | Cayuga | Chautauqua | Chemung | Chenango | Clinton | Columbia | Cortland | Delaware | Dutchess | Erie | Essex | Franklin | Fulton | Genesee | Greene | Hamilton | Herkimer | Jefferson | Kings (Brooklyn) | Lewis | Livingston | Madison | Monroe | Montgomery | Nassau | New York (Manhattan) | Niagara | Oneida | Onondaga | Ontario | Orange | Orleans | Oswego | Otsego | Putnam | Queens | Rensselaer | Richmond (Staten Island) | Rockland | Saint Lawrence | Saratoga | Schenectady | Schoharie | Schuyler | Seneca | Steuben | Suffolk | Sullivan | Tioga | Tompkins | Ulster | Warren | Washington | Wayne | Westchester | Wyoming | Yates

Just my suggestion for the box, since Pennsylvania's navigation box is similar to my proposal. --Kuroki Mio 2006 00:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-26T00:18:00.000Z","author":"Kuroki Mio 2006","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-03-26T00:18:00.000Z-Proposal","replies":["c-MrD9-2006-03-26T20:58:00.000Z-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-03-26T00:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

"State of New York" is too big and does not look good. //MrD9 20:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-26T20:58:00.000Z","author":"MrD9","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrD9-2006-03-26T20:58:00.000Z-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-03-26T00:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-03-26T23:38:00.000Z-MrD9-2006-03-26T20:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Made the "State of New York" smaller. Is it OK now? --Kuroki Mio 2006 23:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-26T23:38:00.000Z","author":"Kuroki Mio 2006","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-03-26T23:38:00.000Z-MrD9-2006-03-26T20:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-MrD9-2006-03-27T00:18:00.000Z-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-03-26T23:38:00.000Z","c-MrD9-2006-03-27T00:21:00.000Z-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-03-26T23:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes. I think it looks a lot more professional than your original (larger version) proposal and than the current template design. Good job. //MrD9 00:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-27T00:18:00.000Z","author":"MrD9","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MrD9-2006-03-27T00:18:00.000Z-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-03-26T23:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Actually, I think the hyphens in the metro areas section should be replaced with |'s. I would do it myself, but since it's your proposal, I don't want to change it on you... //MrD9 00:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-27T00:21:00.000Z","author":"MrD9","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MrD9-2006-03-27T00:21:00.000Z-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-03-26T23:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I made a template for Ulster County, and I used this format:

Maybe we could make a template like this for every county in New York. Pennsylvania has templates for every county, so why can't New York? --Kuroki Mio 2006 18:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-05-06T18:28:00.000Z","author":"Kuroki Mio 2006","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kuroki_Mio_2006-2006-05-06T18:28:00.000Z-County_templates","replies":[]}}-->

Please be careful not to attach towns in metros that aren't in the name of the metro. E.g. it's Jamesville MSA, not Jamesville/Dunkirk/Fredonia. [1] -newkai | talk | contribs 16:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-10T16:39:00.000Z","author":"Newkai","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Newkai-2006-07-10T16:39:00.000Z-Metro_Names","replies":["c-Newnam-2006-07-23T06:34:00.000Z-Newkai-2006-07-10T16:39:00.000Z","c-Camelbinky-2008-11-27T23:02:00.000Z-Newkai-2006-07-10T16:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

That link you gave is 3 years old...I think areas like Newburgh/Middletown do include Port Jervis now (a city, not a town). Perhaps an updated official list would be helpful. Newnam^(talk) 06:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-23T06:34:00.000Z","author":"Newnam","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Newnam-2006-07-23T06:34:00.000Z-Newkai-2006-07-10T16:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Newkai-2006-07-23T12:47:00.000Z-Newnam-2006-07-23T06:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm sure it's part of the metropolitan area. That doesn't mean it's in the name of it though. We have to keep this template as concise as possible. While it's possible that the name was expanded in the last three years, I highly doubt it. -newkai | talk | contribs 12:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-23T12:47:00.000Z","author":"Newkai","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Newkai-2006-07-23T12:47:00.000Z-Newnam-2006-07-23T06:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I completely agree with Newkai that we should stick with the name of the metro areas as given by the census bureau. I have recently removed Saratoga from the list because the name of the metro area is the Albany-Schenectady-Troy. Saratoga or Saratoga Springs does not appear in the name of the metro area although occasionally a vandal will try to sneak it in on capital district related articles.Camelbinky (talk) 23:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-27T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Camelbinky","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Camelbinky-2008-11-27T23:02:00.000Z-Newkai-2006-07-10T16:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Until the articles actually reflect the official regions, we can't do this. I'm going to revert it back to the way it was until we either change the articles or maybe decide to ignore the official regions. Here are some problems:

• Central Leatherstocking now goes to Central New York. It is more congruent with Southern Tier. Onondaga County and Cayuga County are part of the Finger Lakes Region.

• Perhaps the worst is Greater Niagara. This now goes to Niagara Falls, New York. Much of what is under Western New York belongs to this region. The eastern part of Western New York belongs to the Finger Lakes Region.

• The Thousand Islands region is much larger than the St. Lawrence Seaway

So we either have to do some major revisions, or leave the unofficial regions and maybe add the official ones that aren't already in the list. Please share your opinions. -newkai | talk | contribs 12:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-23T12:44:00.000Z","author":"Newkai","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Newkai-2006-07-23T12:44:00.000Z-Change_to_official_regions","replies":[]}}-->

Don't get me wrong by the way. I do see the problem with the current setup. It's just that before we have actual articles about these regions... -newkai | talk | contribs 12:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-23T12:51:00.000Z","author":"Newkai","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Newkai-2006-07-23T12:51:00.000Z-Change_to_official_regions","replies":[]}}-->

There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding standardization of state templates (primarily regarding layout and styling) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates. An effort was made earlier this year to standardize Canadian province templates (which mostly succeeded). Lovelac7 and I have already begun standardizing all state templates. If you have any concerns, they should be directed toward the discussion page for state template standardization. Thanks! — Webdinger ^{BLAH | SZ} 22:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-27T22:56:00.000Z","author":"Webdinger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Webdinger-2006-08-27T22:56:00.000Z-Standardization_of_state_templates","replies":[]}}-->

Is this really necessary in this template? –Zimbabweed 18:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-04T18:11:00.000Z","author":"Zimbabweed","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zimbabweed-2006-10-04T18:11:00.000Z-High-speed_rail","replies":["c-Newkai-2006-10-23T00:50:00.000Z-Zimbabweed-2006-10-04T18:11:00.000Z","c-Balthazarduju-2007-05-22T20:45:00.000Z-Zimbabweed-2006-10-04T18:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't understand its necessity either. It's a fantasy, not something the state already has... So it's not a part of the state! -newkai t-c 00:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-23T00:50:00.000Z","author":"Newkai","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Newkai-2006-10-23T00:50:00.000Z-Zimbabweed-2006-10-04T18:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

If the state has already developed it, then it should.--Balthazarduju 20:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-22T20:45:00.000Z","author":"Balthazarduju","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Balthazarduju-2007-05-22T20:45:00.000Z-Zimbabweed-2006-10-04T18:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I am strongly opposed to the removal of the counties, it reduces the usefulness of the template. The counties are one of the main articles this template is used for, without the direct links, users have extra clicks to navigate between pages. Additionally it conflicts with the standard that has been established across the templates for all 50 states. Also, I don't see the need for the color change, all it seems to do is make a conflict with the color scheme of the county templates. I think such changes need to be discussed before they are made and should probably be reverted until such a discussion takes place. VerruckteDan 04:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-12T04:18:00.000Z","author":"VerruckteDan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-12T04:18:00.000Z-Removal_of_counties","replies":["c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T15:31:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-12T04:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've added back the complete listing of counties. VerruckteDan 15:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-14T15:31:00.000Z","author":"VerruckteDan","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-VerruckteDan-2007-04-14T15:31:00.000Z-VerruckteDan-2007-04-12T04:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Shouldn't the Metro Areas section link to the articles for the metro area, rather than individual cities as it does now? I'd like to change this if there are no objections. Crazyale (talk) 05:18, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-02-27T05:18:00.000Z","author":"Crazyale","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crazyale-2010-02-27T05:18:00.000Z-Metro_Areas","replies":["c-LtPowers-2010-06-14T13:43:00.000Z-Crazyale-2010-02-27T05:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think the intent was to link the major cities; if you change those to link the metro areas, there'll be no links to Buffalo, New York or New York City in the template. Powers ^T 13:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-14T13:43:00.000Z","author":"LtPowers","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LtPowers-2010-06-14T13:43:00.000Z-Crazyale-2010-02-27T05:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Powers"}}-->

May i add a link to Climate of New York on the template? If so, under what section (current or new)? Bud0011 (talk) 23:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-19T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Bud0011","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bud0011-2011-07-19T23:19:00.000Z-Climate_Article","replies":[]}}-->

Why aren't the actual metro articles linked? Why are the individual cities linked instead? I mean, why not link directly to Capital District instead of three links for Albany, Troy and Schenectady? Or to New York metropolitan area instead of New York City? Here are my proposals (these could be copied in directly if desired): Albany / Schenectady / Troy Binghamton Buffalo / Niagara Falls Elmira / Corning Glens Falls Ithaca Kingston New York City Poughkeepsie / Newburgh / Middletown Rochester Syracuse Utica / Rome Famartin (talk) 00:00, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-20T00:00:00.000Z","author":"Famartin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Famartin-2015-01-20T00:00:00.000Z-Links_to_actual_metros_instead_of_their_constituant_cities???","replies":["c-Famartin-2015-02-12T04:01:00.000Z-Famartin-2015-01-20T00:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello? Anyone? Famartin (talk) 04:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-12T04:01:00.000Z","author":"Famartin","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Famartin-2015-02-12T04:01:00.000Z-Famartin-2015-01-20T00:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-LtPowers-2016-02-25T00:49:00.000Z-Famartin-2015-02-12T04:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's a good question, User:Famartin. I suspect the idea was to get major cities into the template (they aren't otherwise linked), using "part of a metro area" as an inclusion criterion. The main drawback is that it leaves out a couple of major cities (like Yonkers). Powers ^T 00:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-02-25T00:49:00.000Z","author":"LtPowers","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LtPowers-2016-02-25T00:49:00.000Z-Famartin-2015-02-12T04:01:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Powers"}}-->

The OpenStreetMap community recently discovered that many articles on localities in New York transclude this template. This possibly causes some pernicious side effects in PageRank-like algorithms that calculate search relevance based on backlinks. For example, a Nominatim search for "Cortland" ranks Cortland County, New York, well ahead of Cortland, New York, apparently because there are so many backlinks to each county article in articles about localities across the state that have nothing to do with the county. [2]

While it isn't unusual for a county to be more prominent than a city, I can't think of an obvious reason why an obscure article like Hopewell Junction, New York, needs to provide navigation to all the major topics of New York State, in addition to the county-specific navbox and regional portal link. It seems a bit lopsided that this navbox provides access to only 160 articles but is transcluded on 378 articles. Can we remove the template from local articles that aren't listed in this navbox?

 – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 18:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216183600","author":"Mxn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mxn-20241216183600-Excessive_usage_on_local_articles","replies":["c-Wbm1058-20250103133200-Mxn-20241216183600","c-Wbm1058-20250103133800-Mxn-20241216183600","c-Wbm1058-20250103135500-Mxn-20241216183600"],"displayName":"Minh Nguy\u1ec5n"}}-->

@Mxn: Thanks for bringing this up on Telegram. Funny you picked out Hopewell Junction. As I recall, that was the hometown of my first college roommate, way back in the day. You're preaching to the choir. One of my pet peeves is editors who add so many navigation boxes to the bottom of an article that they end up collapsing them all. I've clicked "show" to expand them all, and that often leads to the entire screen of my big desktop monitor filled with nothing but navigation templates! The template was added to that article way back in February 2007. My time on the wiki is way oversubscribed, so this issue hasn't bubbled onto my to-do list, but I'll take some time to help you address it before getting back to my regular programming, as I agree this needs to be addressed. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103133200","author":"Wbm1058","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wbm1058-20250103133200-Mxn-20241216183600","replies":[]}}-->

Removed from Hopewell Junction, New York. And now there are 377. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103133800","author":"Wbm1058","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wbm1058-20250103133800-Mxn-20241216183600","replies":[]}}-->

Added to Cortland, New York back in February 2006. Two removed, now there's 376. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103135500","author":"Wbm1058","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wbm1058-20250103135500-Mxn-20241216183600","replies":["c-Mxn-20250109045600-Wbm1058-20250103135500"]}}-->

Thanks for your help, @Wbm1058! I wonder if there's a more efficient way to get these removed so you don't have to do it so manually. Regardless it's much appreciated. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 04:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250109045600","author":"Mxn","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mxn-20250109045600-Wbm1058-20250103135500","replies":["c-Wbm1058-20250109173500-Mxn-20250109045600"],"displayName":"Minh Nguy\u1ec5n"}}-->

Right, our thoughts are on the same page. The only way to efficiently and effectively deal with this is to develop some sort of semi-automated tool to make mass edits, which, at some point if it operated without significant blow-back, could potentially be fully automated as a bot. I think I could code something up using PHP and the MediaWiki API. I'll add this to my to-do list; no promises about how soon it might bubble to the top. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250109173500","author":"Wbm1058","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wbm1058-20250109173500-Mxn-20250109045600","replies":[]}}-->