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Split off section for those separated from the movement

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Curious about David P. Goldman, I took a look at his article and noticed the "LaRouche movement" box at the bottom. He's a former member of that group, but left (or was just kicked out), and it seemed unfair to imply, as this template seemed to do, that he's some kind of a current member. That also seems to be a BLP problem. So I looked at the articles for others listed in that "People" section and found a total of four that seem to be no longer part of the LaRouche movement and put them all in the separate section. Listing them in a simple "People" section would be a bit like putting Whittaker Chambers, James Burnham and The God that Failed writers in a "Communist movement" template and placing that at the bottom of each article. It's just misleading. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 04:17, 14 April 2010 (UTC) One other thing: I called the new section "People separated from the movement", which isn't very graceful wording. Perhaps "Former members" might be a better title, but I thought some readers might confuse that with deceased members. If someone wants to change it to "Former members" or something else, please feel free. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 04:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-14T04:17:00.000Z","author":"JohnWBarber","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohnWBarber-2010-04-14T04:17:00.000Z-Split_off_section_for_those_separated_from_the_movement","replies":["c-Know_your_cuts_of_meat-2010-04-15T00:25:00.000Z-JohnWBarber-2010-04-14T04:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

You also have Roy Frankhouser and Jeremiah Duggan who were never members of the group, but got on the template by virtue of being "linked" to it in the press. Actually, Gunnarson fits that description also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Know your cuts of meat (talk • contribs) 00:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-15T00:25:00.000Z","author":"Know your cuts of meat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Know_your_cuts_of_meat-2010-04-15T00:25:00.000Z-JohnWBarber-2010-04-14T04:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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J Gordon Edwards

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I noticed that J. Gordon Edwards (entomologist and mountaineer) is included on this template. I am not an expert on him or the LaRouche movement, but as best I can tell, his only connection to the movement seems to be publishing a single article in 21st Century Science and Technology. Is this enough to warrant inclusion on this template? Yilloslime ^T_C 00:50, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-04T00:50:00.000Z","author":"Yilloslime","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yilloslime-2017-03-04T00:50:00.000Z-J_Gordon_Edwards","replies":["c-Yilloslime-2017-03-05T01:33:00.000Z-Yilloslime-2017-03-04T00:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

OK, it's only been like 24 hrs, but with no comments so far, I'm going to assume that no one cares, and I'm removing Edwards. Yilloslime ^T_C 01:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-05T01:33:00.000Z","author":"Yilloslime","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yilloslime-2017-03-05T01:33:00.000Z-Yilloslime-2017-03-04T00:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Animalparty-2019-03-18T06:03:00.000Z-Yilloslime-2017-03-05T01:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

Comment: I don't think Edwards was central to the LaRouche movement, and don't necessarily think he should be on this template (shoe-horning people into vague/subjective "related persons" is always problematic IMHO, see discussion regarding "Alt-right") but for the record his connection is deeper than a single article: he published a couple notable pieces "The Lies of Rachel Carson", and "Mosquitoes, DDT, and Human Health" in 21st Century Science and Technology and appears to have been an occasional op-ed contributor and book reviewer for the magazine (e.g. [1] [2]), which also published an obituary of Edwards. So, it's probably fair to say he was loosely in the same circles of environmental skepticism/libertarian-conservative scientists, and is often cited by conservative writers, but arguably not a central figure in the movement. --Animalparty! (talk) 06:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-18T06:03:00.000Z","author":"Animalparty","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Animalparty-2019-03-18T06:03:00.000Z-Yilloslime-2017-03-05T01:33:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"--Animalparty!"}}-->