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Hi, you reverted my recent changes to the template, asserting that they were incorrect. The changes are in fact correct - I linked to the relevant articles. The term "United Kingdom" as used today is short for "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and before that after the act of union in 1801, it included all of Ireland. Can you explain why you believe the edits are incorrect? I'll watch this page for a reply. Thank you. --Bardcom (talk) 08:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-05-30T08:26:00.000Z","author":"Bardcom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bardcom-2008-05-30T08:26:00.000Z-Template:History_of_England_(copied_from_User_Talk:The_Quill","replies":["c-The_Quill-2008-05-30T08:29:00.000Z-Bardcom-2008-05-30T08:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

I reverted your edit becasue once 1707 act of union took place England ceases to exist as an (offical) country. As such any changes that happen to it from that point onwards are actullly part of the UK and not England. The Quill (talk) 08:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-05-30T08:29:00.000Z","author":"The Quill","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-The_Quill-2008-05-30T08:29:00.000Z-Bardcom-2008-05-30T08:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bardcom-2008-05-30T09:34:00.000Z-The_Quill-2008-05-30T08:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

I disagree. England did not cease to exist from 1707 onwards, and the template is not about whether it is an official (whatever that means) country or not. The United Kingdom is a union of four constituent countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. It is still a country. And part of it's history is that is became part of a union in 1707, and became part of a different union in 1801, and a different one again in 1927. Using your logic, there should be no entries after 1707 when England ceased to exist. I await your reply. Thank you. --Bardcom (talk) 09:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-05-30T09:34:00.000Z","author":"Bardcom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bardcom-2008-05-30T09:34:00.000Z-The_Quill-2008-05-30T08:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Quill-2008-05-30T09:42:00.000Z-Bardcom-2008-05-30T09:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

There are no entries after 1707 when England ceased to exist. England became part of a union in 1707, and became part of a different union in 1801 (on this much we can agree) however in 1927 part of that union broke of in the form of the Republic of Ireland this did not in anyway affect England merely the union. Anyway I am not going to get into a argument with you as I can sense that for some reason you have an immense amount of furstruation within you. The Quill (talk) 09:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-05-30T09:42:00.000Z","author":"The Quill","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-The_Quill-2008-05-30T09:42:00.000Z-Bardcom-2008-05-30T09:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bardcom-2008-05-30T10:01:00.000Z-The_Quill-2008-05-30T09:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please be civil -- no personal comments please. What you are saying doesn't make sense and doesn't stack up. Using your logic, England ceased to exist in 1707 - if that's the case there shouldn't be an entry for 1801, but there is. Your assertion that England ceased to exist is also incorrect. I have reverted your edit, your reasoning doesn't stack up. --Bardcom (talk) 10:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-05-30T10:01:00.000Z","author":"Bardcom","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Bardcom-2008-05-30T10:01:00.000Z-The_Quill-2008-05-30T09:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

(outdent)Copied above to here --Bardcom (talk) 10:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-05-30T10:25:00.000Z","author":"Bardcom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bardcom-2008-05-30T10:25:00.000Z-Template:History_of_England_(copied_from_User_Talk:The_Quill","replies":[]}}-->

Surely more to the point this chart says that the House of Stuart covered the entirity of the 17th century. But I don't think it's controversial to mention that the Common Welath and Protectorate cannot, under any sensible definaition, be described as coming under the House of Stuart. This chart essentially wipes out one of the most important periods of English history. Perhaps people might prefer the description "inter-regnum" although personally I don't think that's straight talking.

Poor old Cromwell earned his place in history - let's not wipe him out of it. -- JimJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.102.176 (talk) 18:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-24T18:02:00.000Z","author":"82.21.102.176","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-82.21.102.176-2008-08-24T18:02:00.000Z-Template:History_of_England_(copied_from_User_Talk:The_Quill","replies":["c-The_Quill-2008-08-25T17:03:00.000Z-82.21.102.176-2008-08-24T18:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Does the new section satisfy your requirements? The Quill (talk) 17:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-25T17:03:00.000Z","author":"The Quill","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-The_Quill-2008-08-25T17:03:00.000Z-82.21.102.176-2008-08-24T18:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->