Template talk:Foreign Ministers of Germany

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GDR and Prussia

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There is no legal continuity between the GDR and Germany of today, it has never been considered nor claimed to be the same state as the German nation-state founded in 1867/1871 (unlike the Federal Republic of Germany, which is legally the same ("identical") state), so the FMs of the GDR cannot be included in this template, but need to have their own template (it's like having the Soviet FMs in this template). I've also removed the Prussian foreign ministers, but at least the inclusion of the Prussian FMs would be a bit more justified, with Prussia being a former dominant power and federal state within the nation-state. Saris Marito (talk) 18:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-12T18:12:00.000Z","author":"Saris Marito","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saris_Marito-2009-04-12T18:12:00.000Z-GDR_and_Prussia","replies":["c-Str1977-2009-04-19T22:29:00.000Z-Saris_Marito-2009-04-12T18:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nonsense, nonsense, more nonsense.
The GDR was a German state, considered itself (at first) a continuation of the Weimar Republic. The GDR joined the FRG in 1990, so there's your continuity.
Prussia however has no place in here. If so, let's also include Foreign Ministers of Bavaria, Baden, Württemberg, Hessen, Saxony and Mecklenburg-Strelitz.
Whether Prussian FMs should have a template or not is of no real interest to me but they cannot subjugate this template as they subjugated Germany.
Please stop your rewriting of history.
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Nonsense, nonsense and utter nonsense. Stop your rewriting of history. There was no new state founded in 1990. We will not include Russian foreign ministers in this template either. Saris Marito (talk) 00:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-07T00:59:00.000Z","author":"Saris Marito","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Saris_Marito-2009-05-07T00:59:00.000Z-Str1977-2009-04-19T22:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

This template is for Foreign Ministers of Germany (i.e. the state founded in 1867/1871 which exist today). Foreign Ministers of the GDR, an unrelated state which ceased to exist almost twenty years ago, belongs in Template:Foreign Ministers of the GDR. If the GDR is included, so should the FMs of Austria-Hungary and the other states you just mentioned. The GDR was not a "German" "state", btw., it was a Russian (Soviet) "state" (or more precise, puppet regime) and had nothing to do with a legitimate German state. It is illegal for an occupying power to create a separate state within the occupied territory, and the Soviet Zone was occupied territory during the entire existance of this Stalin-proclaimed "state". Saris Marito (talk) 01:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-07T01:05:00.000Z","author":"Saris Marito","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saris_Marito-2009-05-07T01:05:00.000Z-GDR_and_Prussia","replies":[]}}-->

The GERMAN Democratic Republic sure was a German sate alongside the Federal Republic of Germany. It claimed to be a continuation of the Weimar Republic. I happen to disagree with that claim but there's no denying that it existed and was much less problematic than its claim to being "democratic". Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria were also Soviet (not Russian) sattelite states but that doesn't disqualify them from being part of their countries history.

It is also ridiculous that you now base your claim on the foundation of 1871 when before you wanted to included foreign ministers of Prussia including those from the 18th century. It was in reference to this that I proposed including Bavarian, Württembergian, Hessian, Austrian etc. foreign ministers as well.

Since the template is based on the foundation of a German nationstate in 1871, all preceding German entities are excluded. So are all states existing withing the nationstate. The template has to cover all German nationstates based on the foundation of 1871 and that means the German Reich in its monarchical, republican and Nazi forms, the Federal Republic and the GDR. Str1977 (talk) 09:51, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-23T09:51:00.000Z","author":"Str1977","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Str1977-2009-09-23T09:51:00.000Z-GDR_and_Prussia","replies":[]}}-->