NB. Most of the contents of this discussion page were written as discussion when the template was Template:United Kingdom regions, including both England regions and other parts of the UK. Then, on September 12 2005, somebody changed the content of the template to limit it to England, and moved it to the new name Template:England regions. A few hours later, somebody else moved the template back to its former name and reverted it to its former content; and recreated Template:England regions via cut-and-paste.
How does this template work? For exmaple when you are on the england page, the england link is not a link. How does that work?
This template is unnecessary and misleading. It's called "United Kingdom regions", but it is just the Template:United_Kingdom, with the Regions of England added. Either create a separate "Regions of England" template, or put that information in the various "Districts of England" templates (i.e., Template:NE_England). --JW1805 18:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-08-16T18:41:00.000Z","author":"JW1805","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JW1805-2005-08-16T18:41:00.000Z-Needs_to_be_merged","replies":["c-Henrygb-2005-08-17T09:15:00.000Z-JW1805-2005-08-16T18:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
Mais oui!, please explain what you are doing. You have changed the name of this template, and then basically made it a copy of Template:United Kingdom, without any discussion. At least Henrygb gave a reason for why this template should exist. I'm reverting back to the previous version, pending further discussion. --JW1805 17:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-09-12T17:44:00.000Z","author":"JW1805","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JW1805-2005-09-12T17:44:00.000Z-Recent_Edits","replies":[]}}-->
This flag is not the flag of Northern ireland and its inclusion is POV, see Northern Ireland flags issue.--padraig3uk 15:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-17T15:55:00.000Z","author":"Padraig3uk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Padraig3uk-2007-04-17T15:55:00.000Z-The_Ulster_Banner","replies":["c-Vintagekits-2007-04-18T09:14:00.000Z-Padraig3uk-2007-04-17T15:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
I have removed the Ulster banner from the template it isn't the legal flag of Northern Ireland.--padraig3uk 14:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-19T14:33:00.000Z","author":"Padraig3uk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Padraig3uk-2007-04-19T14:33:00.000Z-The_Ulster_Banner","replies":["c-163.167.129.124-2007-04-19T14:43:00.000Z-Padraig3uk-2007-04-19T14:33:00.000Z"]}}-->
Removing POV is not edit warring, the Ulster Banner is not the legal or offical flag of Northern Ireland nor has it been since 1972, and no matter how much you and others try to promote your own Politcal agenda on WP, the facts don't change, so either provide evidence that this is now the legal flag of Northern Ireland or stop your edit warring.--padraig3uk 14:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-19T14:50:00.000Z","author":"Padraig3uk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Padraig3uk-2007-04-19T14:50:00.000Z-The_Ulster_Banner","replies":["c-Padraig3uk-2007-04-26T09:41:00.000Z-Padraig3uk-2007-04-19T14:50:00.000Z"]}}-->
In reply to Vintagekits question above, the British government response given above states that in the case of the English flag or St Georges Cross:
so the British Government accepts this flag can be and is used to represent England. In the case of Scotland and the St Andrews Cross:
So the British government states the flag can be and is used to represent Scotland. In the case of Wales it just states there are no regulations on its design or permitted use. In the case of Northern Ireland, here the government clearly states that only the Union Flag is official, the Ulster Banner is not even mentioned in their responce, if the flags of England Scotland and Wales where not official as some editors say, then why did the government not state this, and as in the case of Northern Ireland say only the Union Flag could be used.--padraig3uk 11:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-16T11:16:00.000Z","author":"Padraig3uk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Padraig3uk-2007-05-16T11:16:00.000Z-The_Ulster_Banner","replies":[]}}-->
To padraig3uk. The Union Flag is the official flag to represent Northern Ireland in a political sense. Otherwise it is seen by many as the de facto flag of Northern Ireland and is used to represent Northern Ireland in sports and other things in a sense of regional identity. The only people that really object to the use of the Ulster Banner in any form even unofficially are Irish republicans. The Ulster flag used to be the official flag of Northern Ireland based on its only ever coat of arms, and seeing as it never had one prior or since how can you object to it being used in an identity sense?
As a side-point/question, isn't Saint Patrick's flag used to represent the island of Ireland on Wikipedia? If it is as i think it is don't forget its de facto (fact but not in law) and not de jure (according to law). So if it can be used then why not the Ulster flag or is it coz if sectarian oppossition to its usage? Oh yeah and like the Ulster flag, Saint Patrick's flag is originally based on a coat of arms.
Doing a define: de facto search on Google and the common agreeing of the meaning of de facto is in fact but not legally. The Ulster flag is used de facto to represent Northern Ireland just as Irish republicans like to use the Irish tricolour as the de facto flag for the island of Ireland.
Oh and as a final note, padraig3uk and VIntageKits say its only the POV flag for a section of Northern Ireland. Can you please provide sources and proof for this? Its just the same as me stating the fact that the section of the community that make use of the Ulster flag as the de facto flag for Northern Ireland is bigger than the minority republican section of the community that opposes it.
Mabuska 01:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-13T01:26:00.000Z","author":"Mabuska","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mabuska-2007-08-13T01:26:00.000Z-The_Ulster_Banner","replies":["c-Padraig-2007-08-13T01:56:00.000Z-Mabuska-2007-08-13T01:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
I think the best thing to do, as the use of the unionjack could potentially be confusing when used to represent N Ireland(especially in the context of England, Scotland & Wales also) would be to use an image of the territory of N Ireland, as proposed on the Northen Ireland talk page. Fennessy 21:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-15T21:26:00.000Z","author":"Fennessy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fennessy-2007-08-15T21:26:00.000Z-The_Ulster_Banner","replies":[]}}-->
Jonto just put the Ulster banner back up, without consulting anyone or discussing the issue. Somebody take it down so I cant be accused of edit warring? There seems to be no one who has posted here recently who agrees it should be there. Yawn...
I have protected the template for a week because of the dispute over which flag, if any, should be used for Northern Ireland. Please try to resolve disputes on the talk page and come to a consensus. Sam Blacketer 12:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-16T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Sam Blacketer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sam_Blacketer-2007-05-16T12:01:00.000Z-Protected","replies":["c-Vintagekits-2007-05-29T10:39:00.000Z-Sam_Blacketer-2007-05-16T12:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
How do we go about getting it changed so when a person puts in the code for the flag of Northern Ireland, the Ulster banner is not used? I think thats the real issue here. Fennessy 22:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-08T22:35:00.000Z","author":"Fennessy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fennessy-2007-08-08T22:35:00.000Z-Protected","replies":["c-Vintagekits-2007-08-11T13:29:00.000Z-Fennessy-2007-08-08T22:35:00.000Z"]}}-->
... yet again, at The Wrong Version no doubt. It's clear that nothing has been resolved here since last May. Can you guys please try to work this one out and come to some consensus as it's just a time-waster for everyone at this stage? Note also the three-revert rule as I've just started monitoring this template and will be enforcing this accordingly - Alison ☺ 22:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-12T22:02:00.000Z","author":"Alison","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alison-2007-08-12T22:02:00.000Z-Fully_protected","replies":["c-Padraig-2007-08-12T22:09:00.000Z-Alison-2007-08-12T22:02:00.000Z","c-Alison-2007-08-12T23:23:00.000Z-Alison-2007-08-12T22:02:00.000Z","c-Alison-2007-08-13T01:17:00.000Z-Alison-2007-08-12T22:02:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'm glad everyone here who actually wants to resolve this issue doesnt favor using the Ulster banner for the flag of N Ireland. But I think its over-board to not use legitimate flags that regular people identify with the respective nations, that are completly harmless. Fennessy 14:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-13T14:03:00.000Z","author":"Fennessy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fennessy-2007-08-13T14:03:00.000Z-Fully_protected","replies":["c-Rumping-2007-12-05T01:34:00.000Z-Fennessy-2007-08-13T14:03:00.000Z"]}}-->
If User:Astrotrain and friends insist on revert-warring here, will they please ensure that the correct protection template is transcluded and not subst'd. Also, reverting to a version with a full-protect banner is inappropriate - Alison ☺ 19:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-14T19:30:00.000Z","author":"Alison","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alison-2007-08-14T19:30:00.000Z-Revert-warring","replies":["c-Fennessy-2007-08-14T22:25:00.000Z-Alison-2007-08-14T19:30:00.000Z"]}}-->
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