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Number Format

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I'm tempted to change this template so that it uses arabic numerals (16) instead of Roman numerals (XVI). The Roman numbers seem difficult to read to me... What do you all think? I'm guessing no one reads this page much, so I'm gonna change it, and that will make you all notice it :). If there are objections, let's talk about them here. - grubber 17:24, 2005 July 10 (UTC)

I made this template, and I like my original version better. Roman numerals seem natural for this purpose to me. I guess they remind me of those made-to-look-old street signs with Fraktur writing they sometimes put up on historic houses in Vienna. Martg76 18:53, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-07-10T18:53:00.000Z","author":"Martg76","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martg76-2005-07-10T18:53:00.000Z-Number_Format","replies":["c-Martg76-2005-07-10T18:55:00.000Z-Martg76-2005-07-10T18:53:00.000Z","c-Martg76-2005-07-11T22:41:00.000Z-Martg76-2005-07-10T18:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
- BTW, the German Wikipedia also has them. Martg76 18:55, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-07-10T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Martg76","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martg76-2005-07-10T18:55:00.000Z-Martg76-2005-07-10T18:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
To me, Roman numerals look antiquated and the stream of letters seems harder for me to read. I know that the German version uses Roman numerals, but that could be a cultural difference. It's a minor thing and Ill concede; just a suggestion. I made the change immediately because I wasnt sure anyone would notice this talk page otherwise and I wanted to spark some conversation. - grubber 08:59, 2005 July 11 (UTC)
- Maybe this will be the reaction of most English speakers. I guess we should wait for a third opinion. Martg76 22:41, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-07-11T22:41:00.000Z","author":"Martg76","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martg76-2005-07-11T22:41:00.000Z-Martg76-2005-07-10T18:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tfine80-2005-07-12T21:28:00.000Z-Martg76-2005-07-11T22:41:00.000Z","c-Grstain-2007-01-12T16:52:00.000Z-Martg76-2005-07-11T22:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
  - Well, if we dont hear from anyone anytime soon, we'll revert to your version. Founder's Rights. :) - grubber 08:34, 2005 July 12 (UTC)
    - I personally think roman numerals are a bit nicer -- both because that's what's on the german wp and because they are commonly used in european city districts. The names are more critical on the template for quick identification anyhow. For example, the Paris districts on Wikipedia also use roman numerals (although somebody really needs to work on these pages!). See: VIIe_arrondissement Tfine80 21:28, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-07-12T21:28:00.000Z","author":"Tfine80","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tfine80-2005-07-12T21:28:00.000Z-Martg76-2005-07-11T22:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
      - We shouldn't see this as one of the big issues of our time, but if I had to decide I'd use the Roman numerals, maybe because I remember the days when it said "Wien XVIII." in the address rather than "1180 Wien". Whenever you watch a BBC production it is "(c) BBC MCMLXXI" rather than "1971", so people should be used to deciphering them. By the way, a long time ago in the article on Vienna there were Roman numerals for the districts, too, but someone has changed them in the meantime. <K F> 22:17, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
- I don't mind the Roman numeral format; it does have a certain je ne sais quoi. I wonder if the trailing periods are necessary (I. VII., etc.). On another point, whether Roman or Arabic numerals are chosen, perhaps non-breaking spaces could be used to keep the number with the name, no matter what the viewer's browser/resolution? Grstain 00:53, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
- Well dates in copyrights are practically the only use of Roman numerals used in my neck of the woods (besides Henry VIII, etc). And, all the new street signs in Vienna use 18 instead of XVIII. But looks like I lost this vote! I like the idea of non-breaking spaces, and maybe we could manually insert line breaks to make the format look more parallel. As it was, it was really wide on my screen and seemed to run on. - grubber 08:53, 2005 July 13 (UTC)
  - Although my comment was made a long time ago, I have decided to add non-breaking spaces. —Grstain | Talk 16:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-12T16:52:00.000Z","author":"Grstain","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Grstain-2007-01-12T16:52:00.000Z-Martg76-2005-07-11T22:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Added map and districts by number

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20-Dec-2008: I have added a numbered map of Vienna into the navbox, showing the district numbers in Arabic numerals (which are shorter to fit a small map). Anyone who can read Roman numerals will understand the connection. To balance the visual layout of the box, I added "Districts by Number" at the left edge. All this balancing required use of Template:nowrap, to ensure the district numbers/names were not split between lines, which might split as awkward groups. I personally needed the numbered map as I re-translated all 23 district articles from the German Wikipedia, and I think the small numbered map will help general readers to better visualize each of the districts within Vienna. The map is a very quick GIF image. -Wikid77 (talk) 14:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-20T14:34:00.000Z","author":"Wikid77","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikid77-2008-12-20T14:34:00.000Z-Added_map_and_districts_by_number","replies":[]}}-->

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20-Dec-2008: The Template:nowrap is used to keep words on the same line, where non-breaking " " would, otherwise, split and wrap in some cases. The template is used as:

"{{nowrap|words on one line}}"

Perhaps, using "&nbsp" didn't wrap in the past, but it does now, with the newer MediaWiki software (since January 2008?). -Wikid77 (talk) 14:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-20T14:34:00.000Z","author":"Wikid77","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikid77-2008-12-20T14:34:00.000Z-Balancing_with_nowrap","replies":[]}}-->