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I think it might be better to split this into Decorative arts in the traditional sense, and the crafts, handicrafts & hobbies that can be practiced by amateurs. Johnbod (talk) 15:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-10-04T15:29:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-2009-10-04T15:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Merge from handicrafts

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There is a proposed merge at handicrafts#List of common handicrafts into this template. I can see the point of merging that section into this template for the bottom of articles instead. However I have a bit of a problem with the name and the title at the top of the template. I think it should just be called "arts and crafts". For instance origami is not a decorative art and it is not really a handicraft either. One might as well call playing a fiddle a decorative art. Pottery may be made by a person or mass produced by a machine and the decoration may be applied either way as well. However arts and crafts covers both adequately I think. Dmcq (talk) 11:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-01-17T11:47:00.000Z","author":"Dmcq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dmcq-2013-01-17T11:47:00.000Z-Merge_from_handicrafts","replies":[]}}-->

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This image is too modern. I would suggest an historic or artistic image showing a person engaged in a handicraft, such as File:William-Adolphe Bouguereau (1825-1905) - Sewing (1898) Edit.jpg.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-18T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Mercurywoodrose","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mercurywoodrose-2013-02-18T18:04:00.000Z-Image","replies":["c-Mercurywoodrose-2013-02-18T18:27:00.000Z-Mercurywoodrose-2013-02-18T18:04:00.000Z","c-Dmcq-2013-02-18T18:45:00.000Z-Mercurywoodrose-2013-02-18T18:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ill be bold and add the bougero.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-18T18:27:00.000Z","author":"Mercurywoodrose","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mercurywoodrose-2013-02-18T18:27:00.000Z-Mercurywoodrose-2013-02-18T18:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I really think any image should be fairly clearly about a handicraft and I don't think that image does that. Also why does it have to be historical? I do origami and most of that has only been developed since 1950. Dmcq (talk) 18:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-18T18:45:00.000Z","author":"Dmcq","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dmcq-2013-02-18T18:45:00.000Z-Mercurywoodrose-2013-02-18T18:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Minor, ephemeral, inappropriate

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@User:CoffeeWithMarkets: For the record only, I believe that variant origami "arts" like moneygami are far too minor and ephemeral - doesn't the hybrid English-Japanese name give the game away? - to be rightly included in a template; the effect is basically list-cruft, trivialising what should be a map of the major, centuries-old arts and crafts. Origami is certainly such an art; its trivial modern variants at best dubiously so. I also believe that your reverting again without discussion here is remarkably aggressive, verging on edit-warring, especially given the inappropriate edit comment. If anyone else has an opinion, it's up to them; but since template talk pages are rarely visited, I'm dropping the stick now, so don't ping me. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:40, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-01T07:40:00.000Z","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-2015-10-01T07:40:00.000Z-Minor,_ephemeral,_inappropriate","replies":["c-CoffeeWithMarkets-2015-10-01T07:59:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2015-10-01T07:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

I fail to see what you're talking about at all. I reverted your action, once, and in my edit summary stated that a) I was sympathetic to your viewpoint, 2)I thought it good to talk about this on the talk page if you so chose such that more users could comment, and 3)I thought it would be fine if you restored things. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:59, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-01T07:59:00.000Z","author":"CoffeeWithMarkets","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CoffeeWithMarkets-2015-10-01T07:59:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2015-10-01T07:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gmcbjames-2015-10-02T00:27:00.000Z-CoffeeWithMarkets-2015-10-01T07:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

I learned something new, as I never heard of moneygami or Kirigami. My suggestion would to be to keep the template simple, revert and add moneygami or Kirigami to the see also section of Origami as both are forms of Origami. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 00:27, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-02T00:27:00.000Z","author":"Gmcbjames","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gmcbjames-2015-10-02T00:27:00.000Z-CoffeeWithMarkets-2015-10-01T07:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->