I added him to the template since he's primarily an Avengers villain, not a Fantastic Four villain as he was previously listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KangConquers (talk • contribs) 04:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-29T04:04:00.000Z","author":"KangConquers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KangConquers-2008-08-29T04:04:00.000Z-Immortus","replies":[]}}-->
Should the Squadron Supreme be added under alternate continuities as they are their world's equivalents?~ZytheTalk to me! 22:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-24T22:21:00.000Z","author":"Zythe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zythe-2006-10-24T22:21:00.000Z-Just_a_thought...","replies":["c-Spshu-2008-12-29T19:46:00.000Z-Zythe-2006-10-24T22:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
I think this needs to have the hide wrapper so it works better with other templates e.g. JLA/Avengers. (Emperor 10:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-19T10:21:00.000Z","author":"Emperor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emperor-2007-08-19T10:21:00.000Z-Hide","replies":["c-J_Greb-2008-01-05T15:01:00.000Z-Emperor-2007-08-19T10:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
Can it be done? This is what it would look like:
Ancillary: Agents of Atlas • Force Works • Great Lakes Avengers • The Initiative • Young Avengers • Avengers Solo/Spotlight
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Do you think he should count as an enemy of Avengers after all he has done in Dark Reign. Or would that be out of place? Captain Virtue (talk)
I've added this section as it now includes Quicksilver; Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye, who had no hard connection to the Avengers nav box added to their pages. I suppose it could even be expanded to include the new few keys members (eg. Hercules; Black Panther and Vision), although there would need to be some agreement on the heading. Regards. Asgardian (talk) 02:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-02T02:20:00.000Z","author":"Asgardian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asgardian-2010-03-02T02:20:00.000Z-Adding_Cap's_Kooky_Quartet","replies":["c-J_Greb-2010-03-02T02:41:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T02:20:00.000Z"]}}-->
Yes, I noted how it was done in the X-Men nav box, and while that is possible, are we listing every generation of Avengers, or just the primary teams? What may alleviate the issues is to have all Avengers after the Kooky Quartet listed by decade as opposed to teams, as there was a great deal of back and forwards. This (thankfully) saves anyone having to perform any extensive research and allows us to generalize a tad and still be accurate. Regards Asgardian (talk) 05:23, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z","author":"Asgardian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z-Adding_Cap's_Kooky_Quartet","replies":["c-J_Greb-2010-03-02T12:12:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z","c-Asgardian-2010-03-03T01:23:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z","c-Emperor-2010-03-03T04:10:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z","c-Asgardian-2010-03-03T04:41:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z","c-Asgardian-2010-03-03T07:33:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z","c-Asgardian-2010-03-04T03:58:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z","c-Asgardian-2010-03-05T02:57:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z","c-Jhenderson777-2010-03-05T22:21:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z","c-Asgardian-2010-03-07T05:06:00.000Z-Asgardian-2010-03-02T05:23:00.000Z"]}}-->
Should this be list under primary titles or related titles? --TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-07T17:40:00.000Z","author":"TriiipleThreat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TriiipleThreat-2010-04-07T17:40:00.000Z-Secret_Avengers","replies":["c-Spshu-2010-04-09T17:57:00.000Z-TriiipleThreat-2010-04-07T17:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
Currently there is a link to the article A-Next in both the "Other continuities" and "Alternate versions" sections of the template. The article itself seems to be more about the team than the comic book. Any way we can combine these two sections into one? Fortdj33 (talk) 19:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-29T19:07:00.000Z","author":"Fortdj33","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fortdj33-2010-12-29T19:07:00.000Z-A-Next","replies":["c-J_Greb-2010-12-29T19:31:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2010-12-29T19:07:00.000Z"]}}-->
Any reason why we can't still refer to these characters as "Founders"? I understand the necessity of having them in the template, because this template is an essential part of their respective articles. But "Initial characters" just opens the template up again for all the other Avengers to be added. If we're not including Ant Man, Captain America, Hulk, Iron Man, Thor and Wasp on this template because they are founders of the group, then why are they here? Fortdj33 (talk) 13:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-15T13:19:00.000Z","author":"Fortdj33","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fortdj33-2011-02-15T13:19:00.000Z-Initial_members","replies":["c-J_Greb-2011-02-16T00:43:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2011-02-15T13:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
What section of the template should we put the Avengers vs. X-Men link in, and why hasn't it been added yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.158 (talk) 21:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T21:12:00.000Z","author":"130.156.6.158","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-130.156.6.158-2012-03-01T21:12:00.000Z-Where_should_Avengers_vs._X-Men_be_in_the_template?","replies":["c-J_Greb-2012-03-01T22:55:00.000Z-130.156.6.158-2012-03-01T21:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
It hasn't been added yet.
Now it has been added, but it's placed into the "Limited comic book title" section of the template, and not in the "Storylines" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.9.94 (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-09T19:47:00.000Z","author":"130.156.9.94","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-130.156.9.94-2012-03-09T19:47:00.000Z-Where_should_Avengers_vs._X-Men_be_in_the_template?","replies":[]}}-->
Links to The Super Hero Squad Show, the Marvel: Ultimate Alliance series, and the Marvel vs. Capcom series should be added in the "other media" section accordingly.
Okay, maybe not Marvel: Ultimate Alliance and Marvel vs. Capcom, but The Super Hero Squad Show is based on the Avengers, so that should be included in the "television" section of the template.
The "Siege" storyline should be put in the "Storylines" section of the template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.206 (talk) 21:19, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-02T21:19:00.000Z","author":"130.156.6.206","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-130.156.6.206-2012-05-02T21:19:00.000Z-Put_\"Siege\"_in_\"Storylines\"_section","replies":[]}}-->
Alright, so I split the publications and storylines to their own template, given the unwieldy length and formatting of the section within this article, and this change was reverted. Given the significant coverage of the topic, it seems sensible to split it into its own template, and leave this template as a general overview of the major in-story elements, as well as the media adaptations (for the time being). Most users who are unfamiliar with the subject aren't looking for a list of 40 miniseries and cancelled series and ongoing series in the general overview, yet the majority of these have some notability, so to me it makes the most sense to split these publications off into their own, separate but compatible topic.
See Batman, Spider-Man and X-Men for examples of similar splits. -Fandraltastic (talk) 21:01, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-12-15T21:01:00.000Z","author":"Fandraltastic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fandraltastic-2012-12-15T21:01:00.000Z-Publications_split","replies":["c-Fortdj33-2012-12-15T21:36:00.000Z-Fandraltastic-2012-12-15T21:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
Some other, general thoughts (not related to the split of the publication info):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be two issues here. J Greb has reservations about whether the {{Avengers publications}} template is needed, while Fandraltastic points out the growing amount of Avengers-related media. On the other hand, there's the issue of either having the same article in multiple places of the same template, or having multiple templates on the same article. At the risk of beating a dead horse here, I think that both problems could be solved, by merging the two templates back together, and making the publications and storylines be a separate subgroup of the {{Avengers}} template. Fortdj33 (talk) 03:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-12-17T03:15:00.000Z","author":"Fortdj33","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fortdj33-2012-12-17T03:15:00.000Z-Publications_split","replies":["c-Fandraltastic-2012-12-17T03:42:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2012-12-17T03:15:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks.
Fortdj33, I've got serious reservations about using a multi-fold layout to a navbox where there isn't a Project wide, at the least, consensus for it. If the template is confusing enough or hard enough to navigate that it needs to be broken into hidden chunks, then the sub-topic(s) should be split out. And I'm still not convinced that's the case here.
I do agree that, given there are articles on additional "Avengers" titles, they should be included in a 'box. At a minimum, this 'box, either the live version or one in a sandbox, should have those added to see what we have and if the "Publications and stories" sections are large enough to be spun out. That would also assume that the pubs gets moved down to precede the stories.
If the section does need to get spun out, I'd offer the following suggestions:
- J Greb (talk) 23:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-12-18T23:33:00.000Z","author":"J Greb","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-J_Greb-2012-12-18T23:33:00.000Z-Publications_split","replies":["c-Fortdj33-2012-12-19T13:46:00.000Z-J_Greb-2012-12-18T23:33:00.000Z"]}}-->
Since it appears we've reached a consensus of sorts, I went ahead and updated the live templates to reflect what I had in my sandbox. This template has the publication info split off and the publication template now reflects the example of Template:Batman publications. -Fandraltastic (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-12-21T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Fandraltastic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fandraltastic-2012-12-21T18:30:00.000Z-Publications_split","replies":[]}}-->
There seems to be a dispute regarding the inclusion of Avengers Confidential: Black Widow & Punisher. WP:EXISTING states "Navigation templates provide navigation between existing articles". The film does not have its own existing article but is redirected to a general article about Marvel Anime. As seen in the above discussions, Consensus is that links to individual sections of articles should not be placed in this template.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:19, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-23T19:19:00.000Z","author":"TriiipleThreat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TriiipleThreat-2014-01-23T19:19:00.000Z-Avengers_Confidential:_Black_Widow_&_Punisher","replies":["c-Raamin-2014-01-23T19:32:00.000Z-TriiipleThreat-2014-01-23T19:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
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add hawkeye and quicksilver and scarlet witch and hercules to initial members 199.79.170.163 (talk) 04:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-17T04:26:00.000Z","author":"199.79.170.163","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-199.79.170.163-2014-02-17T04:26:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_February_2014","replies":["c-Technical_13-2014-02-17T14:24:00.000Z-199.79.170.163-2014-02-17T04:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
They were not initial members, so even if the request is made properly it won't happen because that is incorrect. Spidey104 16:26, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-18T16:26:00.000Z","author":"Spidey104","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spidey104-2014-02-18T16:26:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_February_2014","replies":[],"displayName":"Spidey"}}-->
Asking for help creating a list of avengers enemies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rymax23 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-05-17T00:35:00.000Z","author":"Rymax23","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rymax23-2015-05-17T00:35:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_17_February_2014","replies":[]}}-->
The addition of Disney Infinity: 2.0 Edition to the video games section. 77.97.110.60 (talk) 21:20, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-01T21:20:00.000Z","author":"77.97.110.60","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-77.97.110.60-2014-05-01T21:20:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_1_May_2014","replies":["c-Dom497-2014-05-04T17:50:00.000Z-77.97.110.60-2014-05-01T21:20:00.000Z"]}}-->
Who should be added to the Avengers enemies page Special:Contributions/Rymax23 (talk) 18:11, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-01T18:11:00.000Z","author":"Rymax23","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rymax23-2015-07-01T18:11:00.000Z-Adding_enemies","replies":[]}}-->
Iron max 2 (talk) 18:59, 27 January 2016 (UTC)Do you think we could go back to a combined list of Avengers Enemies, let me knowIron max 2 (talk) 18:59, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-27T18:59:00.000Z","author":"Iron max 2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Iron_max_2-2016-01-27T18:59:00.000Z-Avengers_Enemies","replies":[]}}-->
Request edit of the Avengers navbox, Captain America is not a founding or initial member, he was recruited in #4.
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That doesn't make much sense to me, if someone gave Barack Obama Founding Father status, does that mean he was a founding member? Captain America is not a founding member, and being leader or given that status in place of the Hulk shouldn't change that.
It seems weird to have the Super-Adaptoid and Norman Osborn on the Avengers Template, but not Scarlet Witch or Hawkeye or Vision. And criterion for inclusion wouldn't have to be particularly subjective - you could just look at who's been in the most Avengers comics other than the 5 originals + Cap. john k (talk) 03:42, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-04-27T03:42:00.000Z","author":"John K","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John_K-2018-04-27T03:42:00.000Z-members_vs._villains","replies":["c-TriiipleThreat-2018-04-27T08:20:00.000Z-John_K-2018-04-27T03:42:00.000Z"]}}-->
Steve Rogers was added to the group in the march 1964. That's basically six month after the debut of the team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.50.116.84 (talk) 17:19, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-05T17:19:00.000Z","author":"2.50.116.84","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2.50.116.84-2019-04-05T17:19:00.000Z-Captain_America_is_not_an_initial_member","replies":["c-TriiipleThreat-2019-04-05T17:26:00.000Z-2.50.116.84-2019-04-05T17:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
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