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Is there a reason Brookhaven isn't on the list?
Also, this may be a good place to start a list from: http://www.atlantaga.gov/residents/neighborhoodlink.aspxAkubhai18:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-27T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Akubhai","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Akubhai-2007-03-27T18:55:00.000Z-Brookhaven?","replies":[]}}-->
Brookhaven isn't included because it isn'tofficially in the City of Atlanta.
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The list of neighborhoods should be complete and according to the official list of neighborhoods of the City of Atlanta. (http://www.atlantaga.gov/government/planning/neighborhoodlist.aspx). In major cities like New York and LA the list does not contain any neighborhoods which are missing links, that is because articles have been written about all the neighborhoods. If you compare, to, say, Baltimore, where like in Atlanta, not all the articles have been written yet, you can see that the tempalte is a complete list of neighborhoods including those that don't yet have articles. There is no reason that neighborhoods should be discounted, treated as if they don't exist, just because no one has written about them yet. And those are the poorest most marginalized neighborhoods. It can be a good reason for people to go out and write those articles, as I have done for Pittsburgh and Just Us.
Another point, a neighborhood is offically defined in Atlanta. We can list the districs within downtown, but they need to be labeled as such. Same for Little Five Points.
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This is a signifigant change, and I propose changing it to the original so other people can weigh in. Wikipedia is for information. It should be easy for people to find information. Also, the template edits do not completely match the official neighborhood page of Atlanta.--Mmann1988 (talk) 17:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-17T17:59:00.000Z","author":"Mmann1988","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mmann1988-2010-12-17T17:59:00.000Z-Keizers-2010-12-17T16:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Also, please do not make edits "political" by including some and excluding others.--Mmann1988 (talk) 17:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-17T17:59:00.000Z","author":"Mmann1988","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mmann1988-2010-12-17T17:59:00.000Z-Keizers-2010-12-17T16:11:00.000Z-1","replies":[]}}-->
I am a little confused by what you say above, Mmann1988. The neighborhood list I did was meant to match exactly the list from the City. The only exceptions were the items listed under downtown, which are districts, not neighborhoods. Other than that I might have missed one or two, but the intention was to be absolutely inclusive, including in the poorer areas of the city. Secondly, I don't want to be political at all - what areas seemed to you to be excluded? I think we want the same thing here we are just misunderstanding each other
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In fact your edits remove dozens of neighborhoods without articles (yet), almost entirely in the poor parts of the city. Keizers (talk) 20:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-17T20:07:00.000Z","author":"Keizers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keizers-2010-12-17T20:07:00.000Z-Should_this_list_be_complete_and_official","replies":["c-Mmann1988-2010-12-18T22:11:00.000Z-Keizers-2010-12-17T20:07:00.000Z","c-Mmann1988-2010-12-18T22:11:00.000Z-Keizers-2010-12-17T20:07:00.000Z-1"]}}-->
Kirkwood and Edgewood are bot significant neighborhoods that have been left out. Also, neighborhood templates are not meant to include every single neighborhood - only the notable ones. There are WAY too many neighborhoods on your version. --Mmann1988 (talk) 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-18T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Mmann1988","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mmann1988-2010-12-18T22:11:00.000Z-Keizers-2010-12-17T20:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
I changed it back to the original, so the issue can be debated more throughly by other editors. Please do not revert to your version - others must be allowed to have input before you force your version as the correct one.--Mmann1988 (talk) 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-18T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Mmann1988","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mmann1988-2010-12-18T22:11:00.000Z-Keizers-2010-12-17T20:07:00.000Z-1","replies":[]}}-->
I don't think anyone else is interested in the issue to be honest. But actually how it is now is kind of elegant and compact. People that want full information can go to the article Neighborhoods of Atlanta. Only one thing, it's technically incorrect to have Buckhead there because its a community made up of many officially recognized neighborhoods.Keizers (talk) 23:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-18T23:17:00.000Z","author":"Keizers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keizers-2010-12-18T23:17:00.000Z-Should_this_list_be_complete_and_official","replies":[]}}-->
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TheRealFennShysa: In previous discussions we've decided to leave Buckhead in this list even though it's not an officially recognized neighborhood, but rather a community which contains multiple official neighborhoods. Cascade is the same thing, a region of the city *very* much in common use by reliable sources (e.g. AOL Patch cascade.patch.com which contains multiple neighborhoods. You cannot remove Cascade without also removing Buckhead into a "Community" category and also removing the Districts within Downtown, and also the Little Five Points districts. Keizers (talk) 17:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-30T17:02:00.000Z","author":"Keizers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keizers-2011-01-30T17:02:00.000Z-Cascade_and_Buckhead","replies":[]}}-->
I want to move again for the usage " Intown" for the select group of central/northeast neighborhoods. I live "intown" (Virginia Highland) and noticed that inside Atlanta, "intown" has a specific usage, and it is very useful. Intown is used for the renovated/gentrified central, older neighborhoods - these also have in common that they are regional destinations - for example VaHi for its restaurants/shops, Edgewood for its trendy bars, Midtown West, etc. These neighborhoods have a lot in common and so "Intown" is a useful term. Here, it is most definitely not used for every neighborhood "in town" (i.e. every neighborhood in the city) nor those more central neighborhoods which are not gentrified. Because the term is useful, I documented the sources which verify this usage - see Intown Atlanta.
So, yes I am consciously promoting this term as it's a useful grouping - and - I do believe I've shown its dominant definition through references.
I have noticed that folks in the inner ring of suburbs like Alpharetta, Brookhaven and such do not use the term, in fact the intown neighborhoods south of Buckhead are often termed "Downtown".
"Central" - would really not be correct, as a lot of Intown is actually Northeast (technically). So we would have to separate out Downtown; put Midtown West into Northwest; Grant Park into Southeast; and who knows what would happen with Midtown since it straddles northwest and northeast. Really *not* a useful classification of the Intown neighborhoods. My two cents :)
How is it decided what is "intown"? There is no uniformity. All the other designations are directional. I would be willing to bet that people in West End consider themselves "intown", yet they aren't included.
As for central, it would refer to distance from Downtown, not center of the city. All those "intown" neighborhoods are all less than a mile from Downtown, so it'd be a good way to decide who is central an who is not.
Lastly, I preserved the link to Intown Atlanta by masking it within the Central link. People would be directed from Central to Intown Atlanta.
I agree the template needs to be changed. Here is another alternative:
Downtown: Castleberry Hill - Fairlie-Poplar - Centennial Hill - Hotel District - Five Points - Peachtree Center - SoNo - South Downtown
Midtown: Atlantic Station - Ansley Park - Home Park - Piedmont Heights - Loring Heights
Buckhead: Brookhaven (Atlanta) - Brookwood Hills - Lindbergh Center - Paces - Pine Hills - Underwood Hills
Eastside: Morningside-Lenox Park - Atkins Park - Cabbagetown - Candler Park - Druid Hills - East Atlanta - East Lake - Edgewood - Kirkwood - Lake Claire - Grant Park - Inman Park - Lindridge-Martin Manor - Little Five Points - Old Fourth Ward - Ormewood Park - Poncey-Highland - Reynoldstown - Sherwood Forest - Summerhill - Sweet Auburn - Virginia Highland
Westside: Bankhead - Center Hill - English Avenue - Grove Park - Hunter Hills - Mozley Park - Riverside - Vine City - Washington Park - West Lake - Whittier Mill Village - Midtown West (Knight Park-Howell Station - Marietta Street Artery - Home Park - Loring Heights)
Southside: Benteen Park - Chosewood Park - Lakewood Heights - South Atlanta - Adamsville - Ben Hill - Capitol View - Capitol View Manor - Cascade Heights - Collier Heights - Just Us - Mechanicsville - Oakland City - Peoplestown - Pittsburgh - West End - Westview - Adair Park -
I just think intown is so arbitrary.
Of course, I think we can work out a compromise. Perhaps see what anyone else thinks, which I doubt will occur.
My two cents.
Also, did you delete North Ormewood Park? --Mmann1988 (talk) 20:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-15T20:43:00.000Z","author":"Mmann1988","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mmann1988-2011-04-15T20:43:00.000Z-Intown","replies":["c-Keizers-2011-04-16T19:13:00.000Z-Mmann1988-2011-04-15T20:43:00.000Z"]}}-->
I found a map of the comprehensive development plan which I think can serve as a neutral guideline. It also accomplishes an underlying goal of grouping what we in Intown call Intown as either Northeast or Eastside. Of course, Downtown and Midtown need to be called out as separate areas. I have updated the navbox accordingly and added back in North Ormewood Park (it's not an official neighborhood by the way although it has its own neighborhood assn.)Keizers (talk) 19:13, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-16T19:13:00.000Z","author":"Keizers","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Keizers-2011-04-16T19:13:00.000Z-Mmann1988-2011-04-15T20:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mmann1988-2011-04-16T23:35:00.000Z-Keizers-2011-04-16T19:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
I think thats a good guideline. I think we can stray from it a little bit though. I don't think we have to be so technical, so I did make a few tweaks:
Midtown West should really be seperated from Midtown, even if it's offically recognized by the city. It's certianly recognized by the media and residents as a seperate entity.
I took out the italics and districts for Downtown. I think if we did that for Downtown, we'd technically have to do it for them all, because they are all sub-districts of thier respective areas. I think we should keep it uniform.
Which is also why I removed italics for Little Five and N. Ormewood. I know L5P is only a commercial district, but its certianly thought of as its own neighborhood.
Basically I think Italics should only be used for former neighborhoods.
Also, I changed Northeast / East to just East, since that covers both and is simpler.
I moved Buckhead because many people think of Buckhead, Midtown, Downtown as the "Big 3" districts of Atlanta.
Lastly, I put Home Park in both West Midtown and Midtown since it really straddles both.--Mmann1988 (talk) 23:35, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-16T23:35:00.000Z","author":"Mmann1988","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Mmann1988-2011-04-16T23:35:00.000Z-Keizers-2011-04-16T19:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
The Bluff should be included in this list. The entire Deletion discussion on the article concluded that The Bluff is documented as a neighborhood by plentiful reliable sources such as the AJC, Atlanta Magazine, and Christian Science Monitor. Whether or not you can buy crack there is irrelevant. It is a neighborhood. If it is not, we need to establish criteria definining what a neighborhood is. In my opinion, you could say (a) we are only going to include the neighborhoods officially recognized by the City or (b) we take the neighborhoods that reliable sources call neighborhoods. If (a) we eliminate the Bluff but we also have to eliminate all the other non-official hoods, so, all those districts of Downtown and Midtown (some, like Colony Square and Technology Square, are just complexes of buildings!) and Little Five Points. If (b) then we have to include The Bluff just as we include e.g. Little Five Points. It is *so* well documented. Wikipedia is not just a place to document happy things and the bright shiny face of Atlanta. It is a place to document reality, and as part of that we also have to document dark unhappy places - when they are SO well sourced! Keizers (talk) 15:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-10-26T15:25:00.000Z","author":"Keizers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keizers-2011-10-26T15:25:00.000Z-The_Bluff","replies":[]}}-->
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