Talk:Zhu Zhenheng

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Did you know nomination

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Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 20:23, 20 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221220202300","author":"Kingoflettuce","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kingoflettuce-20221220202300-Did_you_know_nomination","replies":["c-Juxlos-20221222031900-Kingoflettuce-20221220202300"]}}-->

  • Article new and long enough, well-referenced. Can't access the source in question so I will AGF. No copyvio, QPQ done. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 03:19, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221222031900","author":"Juxlos","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Juxlos-20221222031900-Kingoflettuce-20221220202300","replies":[]}}-->
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"Courtesy name Dax"

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The first sentence in the current version specifies his name as "Zhu Zhenheng (Chinese: 朱震亨; pinyin: Zhū Zhènhēng; 1282–1358),[1] courtesy name Dax (Chinese: 丹溪; pinyin: Dāx)...". I'm puzzled by this rendering: "Dax" doesn't look like pinyin-romanized Mandarin; it looks like it's pronounced [daks], with a distinctly non-Chinese syllable, and a reading like [daɕ] would still have a non-Mandarin final in the syllable. Looking up the characters on Wiktionary, the pronunciation of 丹溪 would instead be pinyin: Dānxī, Mandarin pronunciation: [tän⁵⁵ɕi⁵⁵] (maybe with tone sandhi or something, I don't actually speak Chinese).

So, what happened here? Does the name actually have such a weird (for Mandarin) syllable in it? Or is this a case of where the name in Western sources is quite different from the name as pronounced in Chinese (cf. Confucius, pinyin: Kǒng Fūzǐ)? In that case, shouldn't the pinyin rendering of 丹溪 follow the Chinese pronunciation of those characters, rather than a western pronunciation? oatco (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC) oatco (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230112153600","author":"Oatco","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Oatco-20230112153600-\"Courtesy_name_Dax\"","replies":["c-Kingoflettuce-20230112185800-Oatco-20230112153600"]}}-->

oatco "what happened here" = silly vandalism, plain and simple... KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 18:58, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230112185800","author":"Kingoflettuce","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kingoflettuce-20230112185800-Oatco-20230112153600","replies":["c-Oatco-20230112222000-Kingoflettuce-20230112185800"],"displayName":"KINGofLETTUCE \ud83d\udc51"}}-->
Heh, makes sense. Should've checked history, whoops ;) oatco (talk) 22:20, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230112222000","author":"Oatco","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Oatco-20230112222000-Kingoflettuce-20230112185800","replies":[]}}-->
  1. ^ Simonis 2015, p. 55.

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