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A problem with the lineage

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According to Bible: Abraham -> Isaac -> Jacob -> Levi

According to DNA testing: Levites belong to the R1a haplogroup.

That is impossible since Abraham descends directly from Shem and the people of the Middle East are overwhelmingly J. Anybody?

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Lineage

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Page mentions Levi's lineage to three generations: "He was a son of Leah and Jacob, also known as Israel, who was in turn a son of Isaac, the son of Abraham." I'm changing it to only mention Jacob to be consistent with the pages of the other tribes. (be bold) Mattj2 07:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-01T07:57:00.000Z","author":"Mattj2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mattj2-2007-01-01T07:57:00.000Z-Lineage","replies":[]}}-->

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Too much from a Christian perspective

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I think this gives only a Christian Perspective, and not a historical one. Lobzik 21:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-21T21:38:00.000Z","author":"Lobzik","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lobzik-2007-03-21T21:38:00.000Z-Too_much_from_a_Christian_perspective","replies":["c-Kuratowski's_Ghost-2008-03-25T21:26:00.000Z-Lobzik-2007-03-21T21:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

I agree, I find this article plain misleading, and as a Levi, I think that calling a Levi non Israelite is highly offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.235.15.70 (talk • contribs)

The articles on the tribes of Israel are very poor having started out as copies of articles from the 1911 Jewish Encyclopedia which despite its name does not give a mainstream Jewish or even a Christian view but instead the typical "modernist" pseudo-scholarship and anti-Bible hokem that characterized academic literature of that era. In simple terms you had a bunch on non-notables in academic positions who felt that they were being really clever by simply denying any possibility that the Bible contains accurate information and instead fabricating alternative views based on spurious comparisons with other ancient cultures, faulty logic, hokey etymology and twisted interpretations. I'm gonna take my knife and cut out the garbage. Kuratowski's Ghost (talk) 21:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-25T21:26:00.000Z","author":"Kuratowski's Ghost","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kuratowski's_Ghost-2008-03-25T21:26:00.000Z-Lobzik-2007-03-21T21:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Why is there an icon on the page?

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I find it really whack that my n'th great grandfather's page has an icon on it. That gives it a very tacky feel, his connection to the Christian faith is fully piggybacked on the Jewish faith, and don't think that there is a reason to have this have any Christian positions outside of differences like when a page will give some chronological order of how a person was received etc. does this seem out of touch with wikipedia? Saxophonemn (talk) 14:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-05T14:13:00.000Z","author":"Saxophonemn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saxophonemn-2011-08-05T14:13:00.000Z-Why_is_there_an_icon_on_the_page?","replies":[]}}-->

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Levitical Law

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There is good reason to adopt the above title as a name for the laws which the Levites worked with. Amram was a decendant of Levi (probably later than the next generation). Amram had a wife, Jochebed, a son, Aaron, a dauhter, Miriam, another son, Moses, and probably a second daughter. Amram's family worked together in introducing law and getting it accepted and in force. Also there were many other Levites helping with the law for a long period of time. The tribe of Judah has been in the limelight for quite some time now and it seems good to give some credit to the tribe of Levi. The tribe of Levi has seniority over the tribe of Judah because Levi was the third son of Israel while Judah was the fourth son of Israel. RCNesland (talk) 07:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-23T07:32:00.000Z","author":"RCNesland","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RCNesland-2012-09-23T07:32:00.000Z-Levitical_Law","replies":[]}}-->

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Testment of Levi

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The testament of Levi is contained in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs. RCNesland (talk) 07:57, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-23T07:57:00.000Z","author":"RCNesland","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RCNesland-2012-09-23T07:57:00.000Z-Testment_of_Levi","replies":[]}}-->

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A Christian icon?

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Is that really the best we can do? Isn't there anything more neutral, like a classical painting? I think it would actually be better to have no picture at all if this is all there is. Tad Lincoln (talk) 06:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-12-04T06:11:00.000Z","author":"Tad Lincoln","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tad_Lincoln-2012-12-04T06:11:00.000Z-A_Christian_icon?","replies":[]}}-->

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Levi in Malachi

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I would suggest that saying Levi reveres the Tetragrammaton is an overstatement. The passage specifically says: "He stood in awe of my name. 6 True instruction[c] was in his mouth" (Mal. 2:5b-6a ESV). Some sort of Hebrew explanation needs to be given explaining the connection between "in awe of my name" and the Tetragrammaton specifically, or we should change the article to reflect a more generic appreciation for the name (and associated power) of the Lord. CorbettHall95 (talk) 21:09, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-02T21:09:00.000Z","author":"CorbettHall95","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CorbettHall95-2014-05-02T21:09:00.000Z-Levi_in_Malachi","replies":["c-Alephb-2017-04-03T22:54:00.000Z-CorbettHall95-2014-05-02T21:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Agreed. Alephb (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-03T22:54:00.000Z","author":"Alephb","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alephb-2017-04-03T22:54:00.000Z-CorbettHall95-2014-05-02T21:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Requested move 11 October 2018

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Levi → Levi (son of Jacob)
Levi (disambiguation) → Levi

– Levi Strauss & Co. has 4x the page views of this page, and both Levite and Tribe of Levi are similar. This person is not the primary topic; disambiguation is chosen to be similar to pages like Reuben (son of Jacob). power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-11T20:32:00.000Z","author":"Power~enwiki","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Power~enwiki-2018-10-11T20:32:00.000Z-Requested_move_11_October_2018","replies":[]}}-->

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Strong oppose the only topic for Levi is Levi. No confusion here. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:48, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-12T13:48:00.000Z","author":"In ictu oculi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-In_ictu_oculi-2018-10-12T13:48:00.000Z-Requested_move_11_October_2018","replies":["c-Ammarpad-2018-10-18T19:01:00.000Z-In_ictu_oculi-2018-10-12T13:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
Oppose Do not add unnecessary disambiguators simply to make it similar to Reuben (son of Jacob). There's no other things named Levi, needless disambiguation.–Ammarpad (talk) 19:01, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-18T19:01:00.000Z","author":"Ammarpad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ammarpad-2018-10-18T19:01:00.000Z-In_ictu_oculi-2018-10-12T13:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Jochebed

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Should it be noted that in the Bible the words son and daughter often refer to a distant descendant and likewise father/mother to an ancestor rather than an actual parent? The Bible indicates that Jochebed is Levi's daughter yet it also states that Moses was born about 350 years after the Hebrews entered Egypt, indicating that Jochebed is really a distant descendant of Levi. Emperor001 (talk) 15:46, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-12T15:46:00.000Z","author":"Emperor001","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emperor001-2019-03-12T15:46:00.000Z-Jochebed","replies":[]}}-->

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Peakes's Aaronids over the peak?

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There seems to be no article on Peakes (the person). There were 20 hits, including for a Frederic B. Peakes (c. 1899), Peakes Quay on the Charlottetown waterfront, John Peakes (director of a 1973 play)... not much here.

A search for the title "Peake's Commentary on the Bible" has one book seller, https://www.logos.com/product/38764/peakes-commentary-on-the-bible, describing it as "a simple way to access respected works of biblical criticism." To include a 4th son for Levi (Aaronids) who is described as "a group of Levites led by Aaron" sounds like having two types of Kohen. There is a book called "Who Really Wrote the Bible?" and Aaronids is, according to a google search, part of it. Pi314m (talk) 07:21, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-08-09T07:21:00.000Z","author":"Pi314m","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pi314m-2019-08-09T07:21:00.000Z-Peakes's_Aaronids_over_the_peak?","replies":[]}}-->

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Wrong relationship to Moses?

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Isn’t Levi the grandfather of Moses? not the great grandfather as this information states. 2600:1700:14B8:540:1069:CEE4:4F7D:903C (talk) 01:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-30T01:08:00.000Z","author":"2600:1700:14B8:540:1069:CEE4:4F7D:903C","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2600:1700:14B8:540:1069:CEE4:4F7D:903C-2022-03-30T01:08:00.000Z-Wrong_relationship_to_Moses?","replies":[]}}-->